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Title: Harrison Wexford
Post by: HarrisonIreland on Friday 26 October 18 23:34 BST (UK)
My father was John Harrison and his Father was John George Harrison from Wexford in Ireland
Can anyone help me track my ancestors as I am unable to find any information on Myheritage etc

Many thanks
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Sinann on Friday 26 October 18 23:42 BST (UK)
Welcome.
We need an idea of when John George was born and when and who he married.
Bear in mind you can't name living people on RootsChat.
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Sinann on Friday 26 October 18 23:59 BST (UK)
There is a John George Harrison born in Wexford in Dublin in 1911.
Do you know the religion of your Harrison family
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Pembroke_West/Grand_Canal_Street__Upper/10185/
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: HarrisonIreland on Saturday 27 October 18 00:06 BST (UK)
My father was John Harrison born in 1914 and died in 1997 - his father died on the way back from the war  his mother I think was Florence Harrison
 
John George Harrison was born in 1858 - I thought he might be my fathers father but the dates dont seem to match - perhaps he was my great grandfather - I do know
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Sinann on Saturday 27 October 18 00:21 BST (UK)
A John George died 1918 but his wife was Elizabeth living in Belfast
http://soldierswills.nationalarchives.ie/reels/sw/1918_22/HarrisonJ_E769320.pdf

Opps that's his mother not his wife, he may not be married.
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Sinann on Saturday 27 October 18 00:33 BST (UK)
Where was your father born?
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: HarrisonIreland on Saturday 27 October 18 00:36 BST (UK)
I am not sure as his father was a Superintendent for Irish Lights and they lived in a number of places I think around Ireland

My fathers father I am not sure of his first name but I do know he was a Gunner in the Royal Artillary and my father said he was in battle in Turkey

Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Sinann on Saturday 27 October 18 00:42 BST (UK)
The John George in the census is the Superintendent of Public Lighting, but too old to have a son born 1914.
I wonder if the is some mixup with the generations.
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: HarrisonIreland on Saturday 27 October 18 00:44 BST (UK)
Must be one of his sons who is my father
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Sinann on Saturday 27 October 18 00:44 BST (UK)
He doesn't have a son called John
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Pembroke_West/Upper_Grand_Canal_Street/1287948/
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: HarrisonIreland on Saturday 27 October 18 00:47 BST (UK)
My father I think was the eldest son so maybe he was not staying at that address on the date of the census
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Sinann on Saturday 27 October 18 00:52 BST (UK)
It says in 1911 they have four children, so it looks like all the children were at home in 1901.
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: HarrisonIreland on Saturday 27 October 18 00:59 BST (UK)
Maybe my fathers father is not called John perhaps it could maybe be Robert as he called my brother Robert
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Sinann on Saturday 27 October 18 01:02 BST (UK)
I can't find a birth to circa 1914 to match the information you have.

There is two things you could try to follow up.
Irish Lights
https://www.irishlights.ie/who-we-are/our-history.aspx
Perhaps if you contact them thay can tell you if they had a Superintendent John Harrison.
Also the Army information, a lot of records were lost but it's worth a try, you could ask on the Armed Forces board here on RootsChat.
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Sinann on Saturday 27 October 18 01:05 BST (UK)
Ah perhaps
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1913/09873/5586355.pdf
You have to prove your not a robot and sign in
Robert John Harrison married Florence Dawson in 1913
His father is John George.
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: HarrisonIreland on Saturday 27 October 18 01:07 BST (UK)
Well done this is a great lead and hopefully will lead me to my lost relatives
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Sinann on Saturday 27 October 18 01:10 BST (UK)
Did you have an Uncle Benjamin?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1915/01369/1564147.pdf
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: HarrisonIreland on Saturday 27 October 18 01:11 BST (UK)
I think so he may have died in his 20's
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Sinann on Saturday 27 October 18 01:35 BST (UK)
I'm running out of luck now.
I'd try the Armed Forces board if I was you.
Robert John is a solider on that Benjamin birth.
I can't see a death for Benjamin.
Did Florence keep the family in Ireland?
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: HarrisonIreland on Saturday 27 October 18 01:37 BST (UK)
Yes amazing woman brought up children on her own in Dublin and eventually went to live with her daughter May Harrison in the UK
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Sinann on Saturday 27 October 18 01:44 BST (UK)
Rober John's birth cert 1885
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1885/02623/1968061.pdf
Mother Anne Stockdale
John George is a Light House keeper. Yaaaaa
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Sinann on Saturday 27 October 18 01:49 BST (UK)
John George and Anne's marriage
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1879/11075/8052731.pdf
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: HarrisonIreland on Saturday 27 October 18 01:52 BST (UK)
Well Done Amazing... you have found so much information so quickly  - very exciting
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Sinann on Saturday 27 October 18 02:08 BST (UK)
The problem now is all the men are lighthouse keepers and so they move around a lot so their children could be born all over the country, plus they are COI so parish records are not online yet, they will be some day but it could be a long wait,  but many were lost in the famous fire of 1922.

I have to sleep now.
You could have a look on Irish Genealogy to see what else can be found.
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/
There is some church records there as well, not for the whole country though.
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: HarrisonIreland on Saturday 27 October 18 02:11 BST (UK)
Cant thank you enough for all your help amazing - someday I will return the compliment!
If you find anything else do please let me know

Sleep well - I must also go to sleep
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Sinann on Saturday 27 October 18 14:04 BST (UK)
A possibility to keep in mind
Anne Stockdale's father is a steward named Robert.
There is a Robert Stockdale Estate Bailiff aged 68 widower in the 1901 Census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Monaghan/Castleblayney_Urban/Church_Street/1629589/
Assuming that steward means land steward I wonder if this is her father in 1901 doing a less demanding but related job.
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Sinann on Saturday 27 October 18 16:44 BST (UK)
Robert John's sister Susan married Willy Karl Trumper in 1909
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1909/10018/5643764.pdf
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Pembroke_West/Haddington_Road/10159/

She was the informant on her brother Benjamin's death in 1947
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1947/04591/4215214.pdf
He never married
 
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Sinann on Saturday 27 October 18 21:18 BST (UK)
It's bugging me that so far I've only found Benjamin for Robert John and Florence.
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: HarrisonIreland on Saturday 27 October 18 21:19 BST (UK)
Thanks Anne Stockdales father I think may be Robert Stockdale so I have added to my family tree on myheritage

Also information on Susan Trumper  and her children - I tried to find relates but cant seem to find any

Any ideas?

 
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Sinann on Saturday 27 October 18 21:30 BST (UK)
Number 294, her surname is transcribed as Dobbin and it does look like that but I'm sure it's your family

Robert John 7th April 1914
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1914/01413/1580537.pdf
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Sinann on Saturday 27 October 18 21:33 BST (UK)
Thanks Anne Stockdales father I think may be Robert Stockdale so I have added to my family tree on myheritage

Also information on Susan Trumper  and her children - I tried to find relates but cant seem to find any

Any ideas?

 
There is a witness William Trumper on Robert John and Florence's marriage cert.
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Sinann on Saturday 27 October 18 21:42 BST (UK)
Number 294, her surname is transcribed as Dobbin and it does look like that but I'm sure it's your family

Robert John 7th April 1914
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1914/01413/1580537.pdf


Oh my goodness, could this be your father?
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Sinann on Saturday 27 October 18 21:49 BST (UK)
This looks like a daughter of Susan and Willy Trumper

Freda (Elise Frieda of the Census)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1933/08990/5253653.pdf

and a William
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1940/08835/5194512.pdf
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: HarrisonIreland on Saturday 27 October 18 22:55 BST (UK)
Do you know who the father and mother of John George Harrison born in 1858 are?
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Sinann on Saturday 27 October 18 23:14 BST (UK)
His father is George W on the marriage cert but as he is another Lighthouse Keeper it's difficult to know where he is from or where his children were born, not that John G would have a birth cert but a parish record is possible.
His marriage might have a cert, COI marriages were registered from 1845 but the images aren't online yet and couples that early are not matched up on the index yet.


Did you look at the Robert John cert 1914?
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: HarrisonIreland on Sunday 28 October 18 18:34 GMT (UK)
can you tell me where I can find Roberts Cert?
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 28 October 18 18:45 GMT (UK)
Robert John's sister Susan married Willy Karl Trumper in 1909
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1909/10018/5643764.pdf
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Pembroke_West/Haddington_Road/10159/

She was the informant on her brother Benjamin's death in 1947
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1947/04591/4215214.pdf
He never married


Gravestone

http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/wicklow/photos/tombstones/wicklow-dunganstown/target7.html
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 28 October 18 19:01 GMT (UK)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Victoria/Old_Channel_Road/1218906/

??
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Sinann on Sunday 28 October 18 20:34 GMT (UK)
can you tell me where I can find Roberts Cert?

Reply #29 and #31
assuming you mean the 1914 Robert John, not his father.
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: HarrisonIreland on Sunday 28 October 18 21:21 GMT (UK)
My father I think was born in 1914 I dont have a date for this brother Robert known as Bobby can you help here?
Also I have just found that my great Great Grandfather John George who started was a Lighthouse Keeper until he seems to have been promoted to a Superintendent of Irish Lights I think was born in Belfast - do you have any more information on him?
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Sinann on Sunday 28 October 18 21:41 GMT (UK)
A sum up so far to keep track.
George W Harrison Lighthouse Keeper married ?
Their son John George born Wexford, Lighthouse Keeper, married Anne Stockdale 1879 daughter of Robert Stockdale.
John George later became a Superintendent of Public Lighting in Dublin.
Children
Benjamin William  born Waterford died unmarried 1947
Susan Mary born Waterford married Willy Karl Trumper 1909
George Edward born Waterford
Robert John born Longford 1885 married Florence Dawson in 1913
Children
Robert John born 1914
Benjamin born 1915
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Sinann on Sunday 28 October 18 21:45 GMT (UK)
I wondered if  Robert John only used John and is your father and if Bobby is another brother born after 1916 perhaps with Robert as a second name but used Robert/ Bobby.
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Sinann on Sunday 28 October 18 21:50 GMT (UK)
How many children did they have, Robert John died on his way home from the war so they didn't have time to have more than three. Yes?
Do you know any more about Robert John's death?

Just remembered you said there was a daughter as well.
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Wexflyer on Sunday 28 October 18 23:14 GMT (UK)
OP should order up these two cert.

 Marriage of GEORGE W HARRISON
in 1858
Group Registration ID   N/R
SR District/Reg Area   Dublin South
Returns Year   1858
Returns Quarter   1
Returns Volume No   5
Returns Page No   254


Marriage of GEORGE WILLIAM HARRISON
in 1854
Group Registration ID   N/R
SR District/Reg Area   Dublin South
Returns Year   1854
Returns Quarter   1
Returns Volume No   5
Returns Page No   283
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: HarrisonIreland on Sunday 28 October 18 23:22 GMT (UK)
My father John Harrison as far I know had brothers called Thomas and a sister called May and another brother i mentioned before called Bobby which could be short for something maybe my father was Robert John and known as John/Johnny
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: HarrisonIreland on Sunday 28 October 18 23:25 GMT (UK)
My grandfather I think committed suicide in England on the way back from the war
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Sinann on Sunday 28 October 18 23:52 GMT (UK)
If Robert John served in WWI and died on his way home, how did they have so many children.
Something isn't adding up.

Married 1913, first child 1914, second 1915.

He's a soldier on the second birth in 1915, war ended 1918, may not have been on his way home until 1919.

So how often could he have been home between 1915 and 1918, I think you need to ask about his regiment n the Armed Forces board.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/world-war-one/

Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: HarrisonIreland on Sunday 28 October 18 23:57 GMT (UK)
He was a Gunner in the Royal Artillery
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Sinann on Monday 29 October 18 00:22 GMT (UK)
He was a Gunner in the Royal Artillery

Yes but where was the Royal Artillery and when, does his service record survive, would he have been home during the war, did he get a medal and so on? If he wasn't discharged at the time of his death would his death be in the Civil Registration Deaths.
I'm just trying to figure out when the rest of the children were born.
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: HarrisonIreland on Monday 29 October 18 00:28 GMT (UK)
As far as I know my father John was the eldest and he definitely had 2 sisters and I think three brothers - his mother Florence Harrison lived in Ladys Lane and also Cameron Square in Dublin

Names I think are:
Tommy (Thomas)
Bobby
May
Vicky I think died very young
Benjamin
 
Robert John Harrison I do not have any information on other than he died on the way back from war
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Sinann on Monday 29 October 18 00:46 GMT (UK)
Victoria Harrison died aged 13 in 1933 daughter of a printer, informant mother Florence.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1933/04867/4315932.pdf
Looks like Robert John was still alive in 1933.
Things are making more sense now.

Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: HarrisonIreland on Monday 29 October 18 00:57 GMT (UK)
I have now added Victoria to my family tree as this is correct

What is confusing me is she seems to have been born in 1920 and presuming my grandfather Robert John died on the way back from the war - who is her father?

I think my Father may have also been Robert John if we can check this and this would explain he was alive in 1933 and not my grandfather
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Sinann on Monday 29 October 18 01:06 GMT (UK)
The death cert says Victoria is the daughter of a printer, it should say he was deceased if he was dead at the time, I'm not convinced he died just after WWI.
I think something has got mixed up over the years.
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Wexflyer on Monday 29 October 18 01:07 GMT (UK)

 
Robert John Harrison I do not have any information on other than he died on the way back from war

You keep saying "the war". Which war???
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: HarrisonIreland on Monday 29 October 18 01:11 GMT (UK)
world war 1
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Sinann on Monday 29 October 18 01:16 GMT (UK)
Name:
Victoria Anne Harrison
Event Type:
Birth
Event Date:
Jul - Sep 1919
Event Place:
Dublin North, Ireland
Registration Quarter and Year:
Jul - Sep 1919
Registration District:
Dublin North
Volume Number:
2
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Wexflyer on Monday 29 October 18 01:19 GMT (UK)
world war 1

Have you looked in the CWGC online index? If he was in the British forces, and dies 1920 or earlier, he will be listed.
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Sinann on Monday 29 October 18 01:21 GMT (UK)
Do you know if any of their children married in Ireland?
A marriage cert might say if the father was living or not.
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: HarrisonIreland on Monday 29 October 18 01:25 GMT (UK)
There are no children in Ireland there are some in the UK one of them was a John Harrison a Doctor and another was Sarah but I do not have any names where to contact them

I found my Grandfather on the war site but there is no mention of him dying  - perhaps if he died on the way back he was never listed there
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Wexflyer on Monday 29 October 18 01:27 GMT (UK)
I found my Grandfather on the war site but there is no mention of him dying  - perhaps if he died on the way back he was never listed there

Why are you so economical with facts? Which "war site"?
If he is on the CWGC site, then he certainly died, as that is all they list.
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: HarrisonIreland on Monday 29 October 18 01:29 GMT (UK)
cwcg site you mentoned
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Wexflyer on Monday 29 October 18 01:33 GMT (UK)
cwcg site you mentoned

Well, then he did die! **ALL** those listed there died!
Perhaps you can point us to the entry?
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: HarrisonIreland on Monday 29 October 18 01:36 GMT (UK)
Here is the link
https://www.forces-war-records.co.uk/namesearch/?FirstName=Robert%20John&Surname=Harrison&RecordType=Ww1&RecordDateStartYear=1914&RecordDateEndYear=1920&Step=1
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Sinann on Monday 29 October 18 01:39 GMT (UK)
I looked at quite a few of them earlier but couldn't see one that fit. Which one is he?
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Sinann on Monday 29 October 18 01:40 GMT (UK)
There are no children in Ireland there are some in the UK one of them was a John Harrison a Doctor and another was Sarah but I do not have any names where to contact them

I found my Grandfather on the war site but there is no mention of him dying  - perhaps if he died on the way back he was never listed there
Did any of Florence's children marry in Ireland.
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: HarrisonIreland on Monday 29 October 18 01:43 GMT (UK)
No children got married in Ireland - only know two sons who got married in the UK - only one name I know was Thomas
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Wexflyer on Monday 29 October 18 01:44 GMT (UK)
Here is the link
https://www.forces-war-records.co.uk/namesearch/?FirstName=Robert%20John&Surname=Harrison&RecordType=Ww1&RecordDateStartYear=1914&RecordDateEndYear=1920&Step=1

I am afraid that that is not the CWGC site I mentioned earlier. CWGC = "Commonwealth War Graves Commission".
This is something else.  Did you obtain his actual service record from this site?
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: HarrisonIreland on Monday 29 October 18 01:48 GMT (UK)
Found two Robert Johns one if reference 1234 and the other 970075 but the site wont let me get any further information
They were Gunners in the Royal Field Artillery
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Sinann on Monday 29 October 18 01:53 GMT (UK)
https://www.cwgc.org/find/find-war-dead
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Sinann on Monday 29 October 18 01:58 GMT (UK)
If he died in WWI when did he manage to have so many children?

It's far more likely he died during or at the end of WWII as a civilian and the fact he served in WWI has over time got mixed up in the story of his death.
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Wexflyer on Monday 29 October 18 02:03 GMT (UK)
Found two Robert Johns one if reference 1234 and the other 970075 but the site wont let me get any further information
They were Gunners in the Royal Field Artillery

Let me try and walk you through this.
- Only a fraction of WW1 British army service records survive, due to fire in WWII. So chances are his records don't exist ant more.
- The British Army was not exactly consistent in how records were indexed.  If your grandad was Robert John, possibly known by John, then he could appear under any of the following:
* Robert John
* Robert
* John
* R J
* R
* J

So, the only way you can tell if either of the two records you found is actually your grandfather is to pay up, and download! The search listing is just not sufficient. I would note that the same service records are also held by Ancestry, and probably FindMyPast. Some libraries have subscriptions.

On the other hand, if he continued to serve after some time in 1920 (I don't know the exact date), then his records will have survived. If so, they are still held by the British Ministry of Defense, and have not been made public. You would have to make a personal application.
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Wexflyer on Monday 29 October 18 03:21 GMT (UK)
Did I miss the following
- 1913 Marriage of grandparents. Has been referenced, was there a link?
- 1911 census for grandparents (separately)?
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Wexflyer on Monday 29 October 18 04:04 GMT (UK)
As at least two generations of the family served with the lighthouse service, I would think that contacting the Commissioners of Irish Lights might be a priority?
https://www.irishlights.ie/ (https://www.irishlights.ie/)
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Sinann on Monday 29 October 18 07:39 GMT (UK)
Did I miss the following
- 1913 Marriage of grandparents. Has been referenced, was there a link?
- 1911 census for grandparents (separately)?

Marriage link is posted, Grandfather in 1901 and 1911 is posted. Haven't looked at Grandmother yer.
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Sinann on Monday 29 October 18 07:40 GMT (UK)
As at least two generations of the family served with the lighthouse service, I would think that contacting the Commissioners of Irish Lights might be a priority?
https://www.irishlights.ie/ (https://www.irishlights.ie/)
Already suggested.
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Wexflyer on Monday 29 October 18 07:51 GMT (UK)
Did I miss the following
- 1913 Marriage of grandparents. Has been referenced, was there a link?
- 1911 census for grandparents (separately)?

Marriage link is posted, Grandfather in 1901 and 1911 is posted. Haven't looked at Grandmother yer.

I am afraid this thread is just too long/confusing...
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Sinann on Monday 29 October 18 15:13 GMT (UK)
Can't see it all as I don't have a sub to FindMyPast The typing errors are because the papers are autoread by a scanner.

STEREOTYPER COMMITS SUICIDE. Bedroom Filled With Gas. Aji inquiry was held at Lambeth concerning the death of Robert John Harrison (36), stereotyper, who lodged at King Edward Street, Lambeth, and who committed suicide by gas-poisoning. Airs. Florence
27 September 1921 - Northern Whig - Belfast, Antrim, Northern Ireland


“NO HOUSE” SUICIDE.
worry about his health and separation from his family,” said Mr. Ingleby Oddie at an inquest at Lambeth, to-day, on Robert John Harrison, aged thirty six, a stereotyper, who committed suicide by gas poisoning. Mrs. Harrisoin said shq and her family Tiad
26 September 1921 - Pall Mall Gazette - London, London, England

DO THE ROBINS FORETELL A HARD WINTER?
Worried because his wife and children had to live Dublin owing hut being unable to get them accommodation in London. Robert. John Harrison (36), a atereotyper. Lambeth, suffocated himself with cae. He put 12 pennies into the meter and pasted paper all the
26 September 1921 - Yorkshire Evening Post - Leeds, Yorkshire, England


SUICIDE BY GAS.
BY GAS. ANOTHER TRAGEDY OF THE HOUSE SHORTAGE. At Lambeth yeeterday Mr. Ingleby held inquiry concerning the death of Robert John Harrison (86) atereotyper, who lodged Lambeth, and who committed suicide by gas poisoning. Mrs. Florence Harrison, of Dublin
27 September 1921 - Nottingham Journal - Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, Engl
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: HarrisonIreland on Monday 29 October 18 21:52 GMT (UK)
Thank you so much for all your efforts - such a sad ending and sounds like todays housing crisis in Ireland
Feel very sad today and hope I will get some better news and perhaps a reunion with some of my family - these things even if they are in the past effect you.

I found this link on myheritage.com dates are very close for John George Harrison but the children seem different:

https://www.myheritage.com/research/record-10199-3441274-/john-harrison-in-1901-ireland-census?indId=individual-545000971-1501270&s=545000971   
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: HarrisonIreland on Monday 29 October 18 21:53 GMT (UK)
Gender:   Male
Birth:   Circa 1850
  Belfast, County Antrim, Ireland
Residence:   Mar 31 1901
  Cultra Street, Duncairn Ward, Antrim, Ireland
Religion:   Presbyterian
Occupation:   Invalid
Age:   51
Marital status:   Married
Wife:   Ann Harrison
Children:   Mary Anna Harrison

Lydia Harrison

John Harrison

William Harrison
Source:   View full record on National Archives of Ireland
Image:   Click here to view
Household
Relation to head   Name   Age
Head   John Harrison   51
Wife   Ann Harrison   54
Daughter   Mary Anna Harrison   26
Daughter   Lydia Harrison   24
Son   John Harrison   22
Son   William Harrison   10
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Sinann on Monday 29 October 18 22:00 GMT (UK)
It is very sad, you have to wonder about how the war affected the men.

I can't see that census on the link, but I think you should make your tree private.

Btw you have an error. John George married to Anne Stockdale, his father was George W not John W.
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Sinann on Monday 29 October 18 22:22 GMT (UK)
Gender:   Male
Birth:   Circa 1850
  Belfast, County Antrim, Ireland
Residence:   Mar 31 1901
  Cultra Street, Duncairn Ward, Antrim, Ireland
Religion:   Presbyterian
Occupation:   Invalid
Age:   51
Marital status:   Married
Wife:   Ann Harrison
Children:   Mary Anna Harrison

Lydia Harrison

John Harrison

William Harrison
Source:   View full record on National Archives of Ireland
Image:   Click here to view
Household
Relation to head   Name   Age
Head   John Harrison   51
Wife   Ann Harrison   54
Daughter   Mary Anna Harrison   26
Daughter   Lydia Harrison   24
Son   John Harrison   22
Son   William Harrison   10
It's easier from the National Archives
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Duncairn_Ward/Cultra_Street/957769/
I don't understand why your looking at this family.
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: HarrisonIreland on Monday 29 October 18 22:53 GMT (UK)
I have update George W

And yes you are right there is no connection

It mentioned on Robert Johns death cert  Florence was located in Belfast - so just wondering if there is any connection with Belfast
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Sinann on Monday 29 October 18 23:25 GMT (UK)
What death certificate?
Do you mean the newspaper clippings?
One of the papers is a Belfast paper that the report of the inquest was in. Nothing to do with Florence.
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: HarrisonIreland on Monday 29 October 18 23:29 GMT (UK)
Yes sorry I meant the newspaper clippings
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Sinann on Monday 29 October 18 23:41 GMT (UK)
There is only from 1913 to 1921 with break for his service in the war(he could have been discharged early for some reason) and he must have been in England a while before he died. So all the children's births need to fit into those 8 years.

It's odd Florence didn't say he was dead on Victoria's death cert.
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: HarrisonIreland on Tuesday 30 October 18 00:12 GMT (UK)
OK I will try to search in those years

Maybe Florence wanted to forget how her husband died
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Sinann on Tuesday 30 October 18 22:37 GMT (UK)
I'd say Florence just answered the question 'Father's occupation?' as printer without pointing out he was deceased, the registrar would likely assume he was living and wouldn't have asked.
I don't think you will be able to sort out their children's births at the moment as IrishGenealogy only goes to 1916 and FamilySearch doesn't have mother's maiden name on it's index even though it goes to 1958, unless of course someone else is also researching this family and gets in touch with you.
Going back further with the Harrisons, you need William G marriage, as was pointed out there are at least two possible marriages for him
OP should order up these two cert.

 Marriage of GEORGE W HARRISON
in 1858
Group Registration ID   N/R
SR District/Reg Area   Dublin South
Returns Year   1858
Returns Quarter   1
Returns Volume No   5
Returns Page No   254


Marriage of GEORGE WILLIAM HARRISON
in 1854
Group Registration ID   N/R
SR District/Reg Area   Dublin South
Returns Year   1854
Returns Quarter   1
Returns Volume No   5
Returns Page No   283
You could order these https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/i-want-to-get-a-copy-of-a-certificate-what-do-i-do
or wait for them to come online, fingers crossed fairly soon, should have been next month but we believe there is a delay.

I think it's time to have a look at Florence.

I'm not 100% sure about this
I think this is Florence and family in 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/North_Dock/Northumberland_Square/30885/
On her marriage cert her father is Thomas William Clerk
This I think is his death in 1902
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1902/05696/4605860.pdf
I can't find Thomas and Mary Frances in 1901 but the children appear to be in several boarding schools.
Florence born 1887 has a birth cert but the link to the image is incorrect but there is a baptism
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=d-45-2-18-082
Her sister Charlotte has a birth cert which gives mother's maiden name as Rogers
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1888/02497/1926131.pdf
Thomas and Mary Frances married 1883
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1883/10925/5991812.pdf
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: HarrisonIreland on Wednesday 31 October 18 00:03 GMT (UK)
Thanks I will apply for birth certs and let you know when they come back

This does look like Florences family the only question I have is there is a William Thomas Heffernan listed as a son any ideas on this

Robert John Harrison my grandfather had a son called Thomas who had a daughter call Sarah who was born in the UK - any ideas on how to find her?
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Sinann on Wednesday 31 October 18 00:17 GMT (UK)
I'd say William Thomas Heffernan is Kathleen the housekeeper's son, just an error by Mary Frances.

If you know Thomas' wife's surname you could look on https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
The GRO have a site as well but I've never used it so don't know much about it.

If there is a chance she is still living you should remove her name from your post.
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: HarrisonIreland on Wednesday 31 October 18 00:31 GMT (UK)
Unfortunately I do not have any links or names of wives or husbands to any relatives who have died.

The only current connections I have are with my mothers sisters.
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: dathai on Wednesday 31 October 18 08:00 GMT (UK)
John Henry Heffernan and Kathleen Letitia Dawson 1905
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1905/10183/5704765.pdf
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: HarrisonIreland on Wednesday 31 October 18 10:00 GMT (UK)
Thanks I have now added to my family tree
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Sinann on Wednesday 31 October 18 15:07 GMT (UK)
Kathleen Letitia Dawson was baptised RC
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mxs/
and COI
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mxt/
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Sinann on Wednesday 31 October 18 15:15 GMT (UK)
COI baptisms
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mxu/
RC baptisms
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mxv/


Thomas Joseph changes to Thomas William but the date of birth and address are the same.
Nothing extra noted on Kathleen's baptism
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633498#page/122/mode/1up
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: HarrisonIreland on Wednesday 31 October 18 23:41 GMT (UK)
I have now updated this information on my family tree many thanks
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Wrightey1961 on Friday 28 December 18 16:25 GMT (UK)
Hi I am researching my Harrison/Harris family from Wexford I have a nathaniel Harrison born around 1820s he married Catherine white on 9 February 1847 I believe nathaniel father to be a William if you find any connection to these names please let me no thanks
Title: Re: JOHN G HARRISON
Post by: HarrisonIreland on Sunday 06 October 19 01:16 BST (UK)
John G Harrison married Anne Stockdale in Grandard  on 3.8.1879 he was a Lighthouse Keeper in Eagle Island, Belmullet
Her father was Robert Stockdale
They appear to have had 4 children Susan Mary, Benjamin William, Robert John and George Edward

I am trying to trace my family before that has anyone any information on this family

My father was John Harrison and I am not sure where he was born and am unable to trace any of his family - can anyone help me trace them

Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: Sinann on Sunday 06 October 19 09:33 BST (UK)
My father was John Harrison and I am not sure where he was born and am unable to trace any of his family - can anyone help me trace them
Are you saying the family we found last year are not your father's family?

In case they are
A sum up so far to keep track.
George W Harrison Lighthouse Keeper married ?
Their son John George born Wexford, Lighthouse Keeper, married Anne Stockdale 1879 daughter of Robert Stockdale.
John George later became a Superintendent of Public Lighting in Dublin.
Children
Benjamin William  born Waterford died unmarried 1947
Susan Mary born Waterford married Willy Karl Trumper 1909
George Edward born Waterford
Robert John born Longford 1885 married Florence Dawson in 1913
Children
Robert John born 1914
Benjamin born 1915

There is another birth which is likely their daughter Mary in 1917 but the link to the image is incorrect, I looked at pages either side but couldn't find the correct image.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ogz/
John may have been born 1919 or 1920 as we know Robert John died 1921 but those birth are not online yet.
Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 06 October 19 10:40 BST (UK)


A lot of Sterling work has already been done....

This search http://www.rootschat.com/links/01oh0/  will get you all Harrison Registrations from when Civil Reg started to 1900 anywhere, one can get them by Decade etc by clicking on folder on left and by districts.  Or look for Deaths of Parents etc by clicking Deaths etc

As you can see a lot of the early ones don't have Images etc yet otherwise I'm sure details would have been posted!



All one can do is check back every now via Link posted and then to check for any updates!



Title: Re: Harrison Wexford
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 06 October 19 10:44 BST (UK)


After 1900 one can also search Births just using both Surnames on

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/advanced-civil.jsp


e.g. Trumper with mother Harrison to see if they had kids