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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: kiffagh on Saturday 27 October 18 13:28 BST (UK)
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to all members is there any way you can link to families with the same surname in the same village.
family 1 family 2.
Patrick finan frank finan
1900-1982. 1894-1918.
Patrick finan Margaret finan
1866-1943. 1870-1921
Michael finan Michael finan
1821-1909 1856-1931.
dunowla dromore
Dromore west Dromore west.
Margaret in the right hand column is a daughter of the Michael. i can find no living relatives for the right hand column . so can you find a link by records alone
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1911 census Dromore (Dromore, Sligo) Frank Finan grandson of Michael Finan (aged 74 years - so boen 1838 ??? not quite same as you year of birth.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Sligo/Dromore/Dromore/768756/
Frank Mark Finan 24 Aug 1918 Notts and Derby (Sherwood Foresters) Regiment. (Formerly The Irish Guards) Regimental Number 72254 - Mother Margaret.
Sandra
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yes you can find a link by records alone.... once research/records proves the Links!
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IF they were R.C.
Templeboy
Diocese of Killala | County of Sligo
Variant forms of parish name:
Templeboy and Kilmacshalgan
Dromore West
Kilmacshalgan
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0756
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https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
Registration District : Dromore West
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/what-civil-records-are-on-line
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No Bio but this is find a grave for Patrick Finan - 1901 - 1982
Churchill Cemetery Dromore West, County Sligo, Ireland
Plot Section- A Plot- 21
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/169804812
Sandra
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Do you think the two families are linked?
Looking at Irish Genealogy as linked by Hallmark, I can see other members of the Dunowla Finans in marriage. I have only looked at a couple and there is a Catherine and a Bridget marrying with father Michael for example.
I am not sure what you are trying to establish. Do you think that Michael in family 2 is a descendant of Michael in family 1?
Heywood
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Searching the same cemetery as above (Churchill Cemetery Dromore West, County Sligo, Ireland) Pat Finan (1858 - 1943) in the same grave location. Section- A Plot- 21
Sandra
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Do you think the two families are linked?
Looking at Irish Genealogy as linked by Hallmark, I can see other members of the Dunowla Finans in marriage. I have only looked at a couple and there is a Catherine and a Bridget marrying with father Michael for example.
I am not sure what you are trying to establish. Do you think that Michael in family 2 is a descendant of Michael in family 1?
Heywood
One has to be very careful linking anyone in same townland as my wife found out!
We had just moved here and talking with a couple in next house Frank and Mary X
Next morning at the shop people told her that Frank X dropped dead during the night.
My wife was on the way to the house when she met another neighbour and they were talking about it. My wife said she was only talking to him and his wife the day before.
The neighbour said... "but he wasn't married!"
It turned out to be the other Frank X who lived in house opposite and absolutely no relation!
There are only 12 houses in townland!!
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Do you think the two families are linked?
Looking at Irish Genealogy as linked by Hallmark, I can see other members of the Dunowla Finans in marriage. I have only looked at a couple and there is a Catherine and a Bridget marrying with father Michael for example.
I am not sure what you are trying to establish. Do you think that Michael in family 2 is a descendant of Michael in family 1?
Heywood
That is where the poster would need to do thorough research over time.
What I do is start a private tree on Ancestry and assemble them bit by bit (with sources) using all the available stuff online, then over time add new bits as discoveries are made....plus quite often one gets useful hints to research months later.
It was about 15 months later that I got a hint for one of mine...which led to a whole new line being added for a brother of my g.g g/father
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Mine was going to be more basic ;)
Names and connecting lines.
I am assuming that some sort of connection has been established/queried to link the families already ???
GV shows Peter, James, Thomas and Michael Finan in Dunalow townland.
https://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/sligo/kilmacshalgan.htm
There are no Finans in Dromore
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=placeSearch
Tithe Applotments show Peter Finan in Dunowla
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/index.jsp
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Mine was going to be more basic ;)
Names and connecting lines.
I am assuming that some sort of connection has been established/queried to link the families already ???
GV shows Peter, James, Thomas and Michael Finan in Dunalow townland.
https://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/sligo/kilmacshalgan.htm
There are no Finans in Dromore
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=placeSearch
;D
Assume nothing.... ;)
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You’re quite right. I assumed a link once and went totally off course, having spent quite a bit on a particular record.
That was a long time ago though and I would not make the same mistake again ;) :o
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It's not really a thing that can be answered by anyone looking for a few minutes but something that can be worked on now and then, maybe on a cold wet day etc etc...
Even for me i'm waiting for some Images to go online on irishgenealogy as so many others are.
Then many will be spending time adding any needed, so it is "a work in progress" too
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Heywood , this is as far as i could go back on records for both families. i think that Michael on the right and Patrick on left born in 1866 could be brothers . the other finan family in dunowla are cousins to Patrick born in 1866.
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to all members is there any way you can link to families with the same surname in the same village.
family 1 family 2.
Patrick finan frank finan
1900-1982. 1894-1918.
Patrick finan Margaret finan
1866-1943. 1870-1921
Michael finan Michael finan
1821-1909 1856-1931.
dunowla dromore
Dromore west Dromore west.
Margaret in the right hand column is a daughter of the Michael. i can find no living relatives for the right hand column . so can you find a link by records alone
Heywood , this is as far as i could go back on records for both families. i think that Michael on the right and Patrick on left born in 1866 could be brothers . the other finan family in dunowla are cousins to Patrick born in 1866.
Now the way you have written it out, I thought you have:
Dunowla
Michael (1821) is father to Patrick (1866) who is father to Patrick (1900)
Dromore
Michael (1856) is father to Margaret (1870) who is mother to Frank (1894). However ages of Michael and Margaret are too close :-\
But that would mean that Michael (1821) is father to M (1856) and P (1866) and then you would have grandchildren/nephew/niece and lastly Patrick (1900) and Frank (1894) are the cousins.
Is this what you mean?
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Heywood , this is as far as i could go back on records for both families. i think that Michael on the right and Patrick on left born in 1866 could be brothers . the other finan family in dunowla are cousins to Patrick born in 1866.
Do their Births/Bapts in registers show parents?
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to all members is there any way you can link to families with the same surname in the same village.
family 1 family 2.
Patrick finan frank finan
1900-1982. 1894-1918.
Patrick finan Margaret finan
1866-1943. 1870-1921
Michael finan Michael finan
1821-1909 1856-1931.
dunowla dromore
Dromore west Dromore west.
Margaret in the right hand column is a daughter of the Michael. i can find no living relatives for the right hand column . so can you find a link by records alone
Heywood , this is as far as i could go back on records for both families. i think that Michael on the right and Patrick on left born in 1866 could be brothers . the other finan family in dunowla are cousins to Patrick born in 1866.
Now the way you have written it out, I thought you have:
Dunowla
Michael (1821) is father to Patrick (1866) who is father to Patrick (1900)
Dromore
Michael (1856) is father to Margaret (1870) who is mother to Frank (1894). However ages of Michael and Margaret are too close :-\
But that would mean that Michael (1821) is father to M (1856) and P (1866) and then you would have grandchildren/nephew/niece and lastly Patrick (1900) and Frank (1894) are the cousins.
Is this what you mean?
I think it is
Patrick finan
1866-1943.
Michael finan
1856-1931.
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If that is them just look for their Marriages about 20 years later!
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thanks for all your help , going back to the records drawing board
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Templeboy
Diocese of Killala | County of Sligo
Variant forms of parish name:
Templeboy and Kilmacshalgan
Dromore West
Kilmacshalgan
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0756
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yes hallmark , that is what i meant to say.
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Is this Margaret 1870?
Parents Michael and Anne Jourdan?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1870/03342/2225243.pdf
They look to have married 1867 so he couldn’t be the one born 1856. So was it Michael, Dunowla, who was her father?
I am confused.
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Also
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
Registration District : Dromore West
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/what-civil-records-are-on-line
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Who is Michael’s father on his marriage to Ann Jourdan/Jordan?
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yes hallmark , that is what i meant to say.
Patrick's birth reg might be on Civil Reg
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Who is Michael’s father on his marriage to Ann Jourdan/Jordan?
I don't know!
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I am asking kiffagh re the marriage ;)
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there is no listing i am going to spend the next few days going through this minefield of the same christain names and get back to people. thanks again
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Both Ann Jordan and Michael Finan have the same reference
1867 Quarter 1 volume 19 page 113
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/
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Heywood just found the marriage on the civil and no dad for Michael. going to try the church records
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Heywood just found the marriage on the civil and no dad for Michael. going to try the church records
The marriage details aren’t on the site yet, they are too early. You would have to send for the certificate copy.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/i-want-to-get-a-copy-of-a-certificate-what-do-i-do
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Patrick Finan born 1900 was the son of Patrick Finan and Bridget Callery. 1901 census shows Patrick and Bridget at Dunowla with three children - Patrick age 1, Belenda M age 3 and Michael age 5. Can’t find a birth for Belenda but there is a likely birth in 1894 for a Michael son of Patrick Finan and Delia Calery at Dunowla. Marriage of Patrick Finan and Delia Collery in 1892 shows father of Patrick to be Michael Finan, Farmer ( the names Bridget and Delia are used interchangeably in Ireland).
A Michael Finan died at Dunowla in 1909 aged 88 with informant being his son Patrick. An Ann Finan also died at Dunowla in 1909 with the same informant
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Frank born 1894 appears to be Francis Finan born at Dromore West to Maggie Finan, Domestic Servant ( illegitimate).
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Those Finans are in 1901 census, Dunowla with a Michael and Mary, aged 75 yrs and 72 yrs.
Are these the parents of Patrick etc?
Possibly Mary and Ann are the same person?
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the marriage of Michael finan and anne Jordan in 1867. his father was Michael finan and hers was Thomas Jordan.so i am wondering is this Michael senior the Michael that is on Griffith valuations in dunowla.
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Is there a townland shown for Michael?
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no there is no townland listed
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Is that from the parish record? Who were the witnesses?
The civil one may show residences.
It certainly looks as though Michael (Dromore) could be the son of Michael (Dunowla).
There are other Finan families in the area in different townlands but just the two Michaels possibly.
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In 1911 Frank (Francis) born 1894 is shown as the grandson of Michael age 74. Also in the household are two daughters of Michael - Célia age 30 and Mary age 42. Cecilia Finan was born in 1874 at Dromore West to Michael Finan and Ann Jourdan. Mary was born in 1868 to same parents. Witness on both births was an Ellen Finan.
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An Ann Finan age 75 died at Dromore West in Dec 1909, informant Husband Michael.
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In 1911 Frank (Francis) born 1894 is shown as the grandson of Michael age 74. Also in the household are two daughters of Michael - Célia age 30 and Mary age 42. Cecilia Finan was born in 1874 at Dromore West to Michael Finan and Ann Jourdan. Mary was born in 1868 to same parents. Witness on both births was an Ellen Finan.
Related thread here - just in case of further searches re children and censuses
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=802414.msg6603280#msg6603280
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Heywood,
no i got the marriage record off family search. no it just listed the two fathers and no townlands mentioned.going to the civil records office
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Heywood,
no i got the marriage record off family search. no it just listed the two fathers and no townlands mentioned.going to the civil records office
That record gives his year of birth as 1843 whereas you have it as 1856.
The FS record would make more sense if he was father to Margaret in 1870.