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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Tyrone => Topic started by: samanthator on Saturday 27 October 18 16:44 BST (UK)
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Hi Everyone
First of all thank you for reading my post.
I am trying to find out more information about my maternal Great-Grandfather James Robb.
I know that he had died before the 1901 Census as his widow - Mary Ann(e) - nee Taylor was the head of the household at that Census - Crown Copyright from www.NationalArchives.gov.uk.
According to an extract from the Tyrone Constitution Newspaper, he died on 5th January 1898 at Cumber, Fintona, after a lingering illness. However, I can only find a death for James at Fintona on 4th January 1898 - Vol. 2 Page 193 FHL Film No 101600 - Civil Registration Deaths Index of Ireland 1864-1958. I only have this information which also states he was aged 50 and therefore was born circa 1848.
I haven't been able to trace his birth unfortunately and would be grateful for any details that can be found about that please.
He married Mary Ann(e) on 8th October 1878 at Omagh 2nd Presbyterian Church in Omagh, Co. Tyrone according to the Ireland Civil Registration Marriages Index 1845-1958 and the witnesses were Neville Taylor (Mary Ann's brother) and Joseph Robb.
I have no further information about Joseph - is he James' brother? Again any enlightenment about James' parents - (in a past request on Rootschat I was informed that his father was Arthur and his mother may possibly be Mary Lyons) - and family and ancestors would be very gratefully received.
Thanks again for reading this and for any help you can give me.
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https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
First try looking for the Marriage in 1878 just use Name year and tick Marriage then search
See how you get on.
It can be better for the person looking as they learn how to find records!
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I looked myself and only 3 Marriages and easy to see Marriage to Mary!
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Sorry the above should have 1878 to 1878 entered! ;D
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On same site and even without putting any location there is only one result
Hitt new search and enter
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If you found those two then have a search for Neville Taylor and Joseph Robb in same District.
You'll soon be an expert!! ;D ;D
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Birth Registrations only started 1864 so then you will be relying on church records but you will get their father's names/addresses on Marriage Cert.
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Hi Everyone
I have no further information about Joseph - is he James' brother?
I see a Death, bachelor..... so you need Church records for his birth
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Many thanks to Hallmark for your replies - very helpful.
I am delighted to see the copy of James and Mary Anne's Marriage on the Omagh Register and I have managed to find Joseph's Death registration as well but so far had no luck for James or Mary Anne with information on either the Civil or Church Records on the Irish Geneology I.E. site.
I am very grateful for this information but still haven't tracked down a baptism or burial for James in the church records or his death in the Civil records unfortunately.
I haven't used the Irish Geneology I.E. site before so beginning to use it now for other ancestors in my family from Northern Ireland so thank you Hallmark for your advice as I can see it could prove very useful to me.
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James death as you have above is registered on 4th January 1898
It is on Irish Genealogy
Search James Robb, year 1898 to 1898, and tick death
(Any problems finding it - I can link it for you)
Mary Ann is still alive in the 1911 census
I can't see any Mary Robb deaths in omagh on Irish Genealogy, but this only covers northern Ireland up to 1921
All records for Northern Ireland after 1921 are available on GRONI
https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/
Searching GRONI a Mary Robb dies on 16 November 1931, aged 81, registered in Omagh
The full details (including an image of the register) are available for a small fee
PS - there will be no information on this family in the church section on irish genealogy as it doesn't yet cover Tyrone
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/parishes.jsp
For the benefit of others reading this - links to items the OP as already found
James Robb & Mary Ann Taylor Marriage
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1878/11117/8069672.pdf
1901 census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Fintona/Cumber/1743314/
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Baptisms and marriages for Omagh 2nd Presbyterian church (where the wedding took place) are available for the below period
Omagh 2nd Presbyterian
Baptisms 1821-1841 & 1849-1942
Marriages 1846-1900
Definitely held at the public records office in Belfast, but I can't see them online
Fintona Presbyterian are available on roots Ireland (paid site)
Fintona Baptisms: 1836-1875 Marriages:1836-1921
Edit some records are available online at www.cotyroneireland.com
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Many thanks to Hallmark for your replies - very helpful.
I am delighted to see the copy of James and Mary Anne's Marriage on the Omagh Register and I have managed to find Joseph's Death registration as well but so far had no luck for James or Mary Anne with information on either the Civil or Church Records on the Irish Geneology I.E. site.
I am very grateful for this information but still haven't tracked down a baptism or burial for James in the church records or his death in the Civil records unfortunately.
I haven't used the Irish Geneology I.E. site before so beginning to use it now for other ancestors in my family from Northern Ireland so thank you Hallmark for your advice as I can see it could prove very useful to me.
Yes it is excellent site and simple to use, finding the first one or two is.can be difficult but if one learns how to search they can return as and when needed and at their leisure...
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Cwellan Co Down
Thank you very much for bothering to reply to my posts - I am always grateful for any help and pointers in my research of my Irish relatives as I live in England.
I will have a look at www.cotyroneireland.com asap.
I can see I will have to visit Belfast, Omagh and Fintona to find out more.
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James married Mary Ann(e) on 8th October 1878 so have you looked at Marriages in that era to see if you find any siblings marrying?
It is the type of thing you can do at leisure doing a search for 1870 to 1872 for example, then as and when it suits you work through the years, then even look for children from these Marriages etc etc.
That way you might even trace kin still in area
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Toolkit Top Tip
Don't ignore siblings!
https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/Irish-family-history.html
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Thank You for more of your top tips Hallmark - I just don't seem to have enough hours in the day let alone days in the week to catch up on all of my Family History - lol - but hopefully will get there eventually even if over a long period of time.