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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: stevej60 on Sunday 28 October 18 22:32 GMT (UK)
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Hi Folk's,harking back to part of an earlier post this chap was born about 1871 in South Shield's
I can see him in the 1881 and 91 cencus now the strange part, he marries Sarah Ellen Wayman
in Newcastle in 1908 I can't rule her out as my GT Grandmother who was born 1866 to Elijah and
Sophia Wayman in Newcastle but was married to William John Kirton who was still alive at the time
and lived till 1913,in the 1911 cencus Robert and "Nellie" were in Heworth and Minnie Kirton who was
my Grandmother's sister was a visitor which is how I linked the whole story,I can't find a death for
Robert or Nellie even searching for her as Ellen, Sarah or Nellie that match their ages.there was a
Sarah Ellen Kirton marrying Thomas W Leighton in Gateshead 1919 it's very confusing and driving
mad I suppose the logical thing would be to get a marriage cert for the 1908 marraige!
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I can't rule her out as my GT Grandmother
Have you looked up the birth for a child or children she had to confirm she was the mother and your GT Grandmother?
Am a bit confused by the ruling her out bit - she either was the mother of your Grandmother or she wasn't!
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and Minnie Kirton who was
my Grandmother's sister was a visitor which is how I linked the whole story,
Birth for Minnie Mar 1893 Gateshead has mothers maiden name Wayman
What was her sisters name?
Sophia Ellen Dec 1889 Gateashead has the same mothers maiden name.
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Sophie ellen Kirton was my Grandmother the family were all together in 1901 in Flag terrace,by 1911 she was
married to Robert Smith and was living with Sarah ellen's mother herself re-married,sister Kate was in a
Catholic girls school in Tudhoe and John with a family in Newcastle,William John my Gt Grandfather was in
Bensham workhouse and Minnie visiting Nellie and Robert Woolhouse in Heworth,it was while trying to find out who they were I dicovered their marriage in 1908 Nellie being recorded as Sarah Ellen Wayman,same
maiden name,same age and same birthplace as my Gt Grandmother who had married William john Kirton
in 1889.
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but was married to William John Kirton who was still alive at the time
and lived till 1913,in the 1911
Thanks for clarifying, think I'm getting my head round it slowly.
Have you found William in 1911 to be positive he was alive until 1913?
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Long shot but I wonder if the name came to be under Woodhouse because there are 2 deaths that pretty much match age wise
Sarah E Woodhouse age 70 died 1936 Morpeth dist
Robert Woodhouse age 67 died 1937 Gateshead dist
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Thanks for clarifying, think I'm getting my head round it slowly.
Have you found William in 1911 to be positive he was alive until 1913?
I've checked death's for William from 1901 onward's and none were similar aged to my Gt Grandfather
other than one in Gateshead in 1913 which was his birthplace and residence,the 1911 cencus has a
correct named and aged person in Bensham workhouse(it was also a hospital and asylum) which is only
a mile or so from where the family lived he died in 1913 buried in the Workhouse plot inSaltwell Cemetery.
I doubt being Catholic they would have divorced and if so why would she marry in her maiden name?
All very strange and after the 1911 cencus I've lost track of all the family bar my Grandmother and Brother
John who served in the RAMC and who's record's survived.
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Long shot but I wonder if the name came to be under Woodhouse because there are 2 deaths that pretty much match age wise
Sarah E Woodhouse age 70 died 1936 Morpeth dist
Robert Woodhouse age 67 died 1937 Gateshead dist
Great shout Millipede,that makes a lot of sense wouldn't be the first time family names were spelled
wrong.
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I looked through what cencus access I have and BMD and can't find anything relating to Robert and Sarah
E Woodhouse this is looking a strong possibility for my missing Sarah.
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'Marriage Locator' records that the 1908 marriage was at St James, Benwell.
http://www.marriage-locator.co.uk/cgi-bin/ML_search.cgi?year=1908&qtr=4&vol=10b&page=3&search=search
'Marriage Locator' records that Elijah's marriage was at St Andrew, Newcastle upon Tyne.
http://www.marriage-locator.co.uk/cgi-bin/ML_search.cgi?test=&year=1863&qtr=4&vol=10b&page=52&search=search
If you or anyone else don't beat me to it I could look up these marriages the next time I can get to the Archives. Might not get there for a few weeks though due to shifts.
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Sorry RTL missed your,post I would appreciate that very much,elijah we know was in the army in the 61
cencus and assume he may have been based in Newcastle on discharge, he was from Littleport Cambs.no
death can be found at all for him we have his marriage certificate I did note an 1878 death in Newcastle
for an Edward Wayman right age on, Sarah Ellen's Marriage certificate his occupation was barman my
brother has it not sure whether he was marked deceased.St,James Benwell doesn't fit into the family area
at all be interesting to see what turn's up.
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Hi Steve, here is the 1908 marriage .. will be looking up the 1863 marriage next .. incidentally, on marriage locator I put in the wrong quarter initially but this 1908 marriage still took place at St James Benwell.
St James, Benwell
Page 187
Entry 373
April 12 1908
Robert Woolhouse and Sarah Ellen Wayman
His age 39
Her age 40
Bachelor & Spinster
Carrier? - writing not clear
His address: 42 (Colston?)
Her address (108 Clara Rd?)
Fathers:
Robert Woolhouse (dec) Labourer
Edward Wayman (dec) Bar Manager
Witnesses: (William?) Johnson Hall & Mary Elizabeth Hall
All signed
Sarah started to sign as 'Wool...' but then crossed this out and put Wayman instead.
By Banns
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St Andrew, Newcastle upon Tyne
Entry 92, page 46
Dec 14th 1863
Elijah Wayman & Sophia Green
His age: 25
Her age: 20
Bachelor & Spinster
Labourer
Both 'This Parish'
Fathers:
James Wayman - Labourer
John Green - Commercial Traveller
Witnesses: (Richard?) Synes & Elizabeth (Horsely?)
By Banns
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Many thank's RTL,I think the mystery deepen's,we never found the death for Elijah Wayman sarah's
father we know he died between the 1871 and 1881 cencus the only near "hit" was Edward Wayman
died 1878 in Newcastle so we assume he used Edward instead of Elijah,on Sarah's marriage cert toWilliam
Kirton he is named as Elijah occupation Barman!The St Andrew's marriage is a definite,the Wayman's
were originally from Littleport Cambs. and Green's from Lincoln.