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Title: Jane Sutherland b.circa 1853 Latheron, Caithness
Post by: ColDownUnder on Tuesday 30 October 18 01:13 GMT (UK)

Hello, this is my first post. Am trying to find records for Jane Sutherland and her extended family. Have found 1861 census details and through ScotlandsPeople have Jane's marriage cert 1877 (married my great great grandad, John Fraser) and her death cert 1885. Her parents were Donald Sutherland, a shoemaker, and Janet Armstrong of Latheron, Caithness. Would be grateful for any help as have not been able to find Jane's birth or much else about her family.
Cheers,
Col  :)

Title: Re: Jane Sutherland b.circa 1853 Latheron, Caithness
Post by: Jamjar on Tuesday 30 October 18 02:31 GMT (UK)

Her parent's marriage:

SUTHERLAND DONALD to JANET ARMSTRONG/ 3-6-1841 038/30 71 Latheron

Births:

SUTHERLAND DONALD parents DONALD SUTHERLAND/JANET ARMSTRONG 26-6-1842 038/20 225 Latheron

A brother? Death: SUTHERLAND JOHN 26 ARMSTRONG 1870 038/ 7 Latheron

Jamjar

Title: Re: Jane Sutherland b.circa 1853 Latheron, Caithness
Post by: ColDownUnder on Tuesday 30 October 18 02:51 GMT (UK)

Thanks Jamjar. That'll help my efforts to trace the family. I was at a dead end.

Cheers,

Col :)

Title: Re: Jane Sutherland b.circa 1853 Latheron, Caithness
Post by: Jamjar on Tuesday 30 October 18 02:54 GMT (UK)

"Have found 1861 census details..."

Can you post this information, please?

Jamjar

Title: Re: Jane Sutherland b.circa 1853 Latheron, Caithness
Post by: Jamjar on Tuesday 30 October 18 03:04 GMT (UK)

Have been looking at the 1851 index and have found the following at 038/19/9.

Donald aged 37
Janet aged 36
Donald aged 9
John aged 7

Jamjar

Title: Re: Jane Sutherland b.circa 1853 Latheron, Caithness
Post by: solidrock on Tuesday 30 October 18 03:12 GMT (UK)

Maybe her in the 1871 census as a servant with the Armstrong family.

1871    Caithness (CAI)    Latheron    Latheron    Berriedale    38    19    0    7    39

Title: Re: Jane Sutherland b.circa 1853 Latheron, Caithness
Post by: ColDownUnder on Tuesday 30 October 18 03:32 GMT (UK)

Thanks solidrock. I did find this one, too. Believe it is Jane.

Thanks again Jamjar and 1861 census info follows:

Donald Sutherland 50 est. b. 1811 Latheron, Caithness regn # 38 Borgy Shoemaker Janet 47 John 18 Stableman Charles 15 Margaret 12 Robert 10 Jane 8 Anne 6 James 3

Title: Re: Jane Sutherland b.circa 1853 Latheron, Caithness
Post by: solidrock on Tuesday 30 October 18 03:36 GMT (UK)

Quote from: Jamjar on Tuesday 30 October 18 03:04 GMT (UK)

Have been looking at the 1851 index and have found the following at 038/19/9.

Donald aged 37
Janet aged 36
Donald aged 9
John aged 7

Jamjar

In the 1861 John is 18 a Stableman

Title: Re: Jane Sutherland b.circa 1853 Latheron, Caithness
Post by: ColDownUnder on Tuesday 30 October 18 03:44 GMT (UK)

Thanks solidrock- our posts must have overlapped.
Cheers,
Col :)

Title: Re: Jane Sutherland b.circa 1853 Latheron, Caithness
Post by: solidrock on Tuesday 30 October 18 03:44 GMT (UK)

Maybe this is Donald's death, can't find him in 1871.

SUTHERLAND, DONALD. age 56, 1868 Dunnet. 036/ 24
   

   

   
   

   

   

Title: Re: Jane Sutherland b.circa 1853 Latheron, Caithness
Post by: ColDownUnder on Tuesday 30 October 18 03:49 GMT (UK)

Thanks solidrock. Not Donald as he and his wife attended Jane's wedding in Edinburgh in 1877.
Cheers,
Col :)

Title: Re: Jane Sutherland b.circa 1853 Latheron, Caithness
Post by: Jamjar on Tuesday 30 October 18 04:23 GMT (UK)

Quote from: ColDownUnder on Tuesday 30 October 18 03:49 GMT (UK)

Thanks solidrock. Not Donald as he and his wife attended Jane's wedding in Edinburgh in 1877.
Cheers,
Col :)

So, if they remained in Latheron, only two possibilities:

SUTHERLAND JANET 84 1897 038/ 17 Latheron
SUTHERLAND JANET 87 1900 038/ 82 Latheron

For Donald:

SUTHERLAND DONALD 68 1880 038/ 90 Latheron
SUTHERLAND DONALD 77 1887 038/ 3 Latheron
SUTHERLAND DONALD 75 1887 038/ 25 Latheron
SUTHERLAND DONALD 79 1891 038/ 31 Latheron

Do you have them on any census after 1861?

I'm curious, how do you know they attended their daughter's wedding?

Jamjar

Title: Re: Jane Sutherland b.circa 1853 Latheron, Caithness
Post by: ColDownUnder on Tuesday 30 October 18 04:28 GMT (UK)

Thanks Jamjar, will check these. Know they attended Jane's wedding because I purchased the marriage cert from ScotlandsPeople which has proved a valuable resource for tracing my mainly Scottish ancestors.
Cheers,
Col  :)

Title: Re: Jane Sutherland b.circa 1853 Latheron, Caithness
Post by: ColDownUnder on Tuesday 30 October 18 04:29 GMT (UK)

No, don't have them after 1861 census, Jamjar.
Cheers,
Col :)

Title: Re: Jane Sutherland b.circa 1853 Latheron, Caithness
Post by: Jamjar on Tuesday 30 October 18 04:33 GMT (UK)

Quote from: ColDownUnder on Tuesday 30 October 18 04:28 GMT (UK)

Thanks Jamjar, will check these. Know they attended Jane's wedding because I purchased the marriage cert from ScotlandsPeople which has proved a valuable resource for tracing my mainly Scottish ancestors.
Cheers,
Col  :)

I'm confused, none of my Scottish certs tell me who attended the wedding. What does it say, exactly?

Jamjar

Title: Re: Jane Sutherland b.circa 1853 Latheron, Caithness
Post by: ColDownUnder on Tuesday 30 October 18 04:38 GMT (UK)

Jamjar, you're right and I'm assuming they attended because they're not shown as deceased which parents are on some of my other Scottish marriage certs.
Cheers,
Col  :)

Title: Re: Jane Sutherland b.circa 1853 Latheron, Caithness
Post by: ColDownUnder on Tuesday 30 October 18 04:48 GMT (UK)

Also, Jamjar I'm assuming that the deceased notation is in fact common practice of Scottish marriage certs. If it isn't, then maybe solidrock was right in the earlier post re Donald sutherland's death which would explain not finding him in post 1861 censuses. I have assumed that records are complete when this may not necessarily be the case. Oh well, another bit of tracking.
Cheers,
Col

Title: Re: Jane Sutherland b.circa 1853 Latheron, Caithness
Post by: solidrock on Tuesday 30 October 18 05:35 GMT (UK)

Maybe this is Janet in 1881 and 1891
1881    Caithness (CAI)    Latheron    Latheron    Berriedale    38    17    0    7    37

SUTHERLAND    Janet    Head    W    F    68    Pauper    CAI    Latheron       
SUTHERLAND    Barbara    Sister    U    F    59    General Servant Domestic    CAI    Latheron

1891    Caithness (CAI)    Latheron    Latheron    Berriedale    38    19    0    2    6

SUTHERLAND    Janet    Head    W    F    78    Annuitant    CAI    Latheron

Title: Re: Jane Sutherland b.circa 1853 Latheron, Caithness
Post by: solidrock on Tuesday 30 October 18 05:53 GMT (UK)

2 possible births for Janet...

ARMSTRONG.JANET. JOHN ARMSTRONG/.  04/04/1813.  038/ 10 423 Latheron.  (Scots people)

Janert Armstrong.  baptism  1813. Church of Scotland, Latheron. father John Armstrong.
                            Person abode, Berradale.  Notes    A bastard.     (freereg.org.uk)   

   

   

   
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Title: Re: Jane Sutherland b.circa 1853 Latheron, Caithness
Post by: ColDownUnder on Tuesday 30 October 18 20:25 GMT (UK)

Thanks for your help solidrock. Will follow these detais up. Wish the Scots wouldn't run christian names through families. The Armstrongs of Berriedale seem to have a plethora of Janets from my readings.
Cheers,
Col  :)

Title: Re: Jane Sutherland b.circa 1853 Latheron, Caithness
Post by: ColDownUnder on Sunday 06 January 19 23:56 GMT (UK)

Received my Ancestry DNA results today & began creating & linking my family tree. The results were, by the way, spot on according to my research thus far.

Anyway, I still haven't ben able to find Jane Sutherland's birthdate & am hoping that someone else can. Thanks.

Cheers,
Col  :)