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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: Lensmeister on Tuesday 30 October 18 19:32 GMT (UK)
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OK so I have never delved into researching in Ireland and I'm wondering how how hard it will be.
Both my side and the wife's side have Irish connections but I have very little to go on.
Just looking for advice on whether they are worth perusing or just writing it off.
I'll put everything I know about each person.
1. John Foley. Born about 1779 and is on the 1851 census (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGXR-TN4) aged 72. The occupation is Paviour. Also according to the St Patrick's RC church in Soho, London register he married in 1811 and the entry reads 'Als Cotter' next to his name.
2. Francis Mitchell. Born about 1791 and is on the 1851 census (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG6Z-SNB) as a plasterer born in Ireland. Also his wife Honour is also from Ireland She was born in 1793.
3. Patrick Mulholland. Born about 1852 in Ireland. On his daughters birth Cert (She was born in Scotland). Nothing else apart from Ireland and his occupation in 1881 General Labourer, 1890 Chemist's Labourer 1891 Furnacemans.
4. John Mullholland. in 1876 John's occupation was farmer this is from his son, Patrick, Marriage cert. John'swife was Mary McCormick.
5. Bridget Henderson. Wife of Patrick Mullholland. Born in Ireland about 1852 and married in Scotland in 1876.
6. Archibald Henderson. According to the marriage cert in 1876 he was a Master Tailor.
7. Bridget McIlroy. Wife of Archibald Henderson.
Wife's side and possibly in the north is red
My side possibly in the South in blue
Scottish Research was hard enough (Don't t get me started on my Austrian lot) so wondering if it worth the effort trying to locate these people.
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Extremely difficult with no location in Ireland
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I haven't a clue how to find the two in blue.
As for the others, my plan of attack would be to look for the names of the fathers in Griffith's Valuation, and hope you are right about them being from what is now N. Ireland, since that narrows things down to 6 counties.
In Griffith's Valuation of Ireland, (1850s-1860s) the surnames Henderson and McIlroy occur together in the same parish in many parishes in all 6 counties now in Northern Ireland.
from https://www.johngrenham.com/surnames/
So that looks pretty tough, but maybe the first name Archibald and occupation will help.
Was that side Protestant or Catholic?
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For Mullholland and McCormick, there might be a little more hope, assuming again they are in the North. The names occur together in the following parishes. I included Dublin, since these were all the results for all Ireland, which does add weight to your thinking they were from the North:
McCormick Households
County Civil parish
Armagh Killevy 4
Derry Templemore 8
Derry Tamlaght O Crilly 2
Down Inishargy 1
Dublin Dalkey 2
Mulholland Households:
Armagh Killevy 1
Derry Templemore 1
Derry Tamlaght O Crilly 2
Down Inishargy 1
Dublin Dalkey 1
unfortunately on that side you have a John and Mary, common given names, and a farmer as well, which doesn't narrow it down at all.
However, you are just starting. A lot or most of the Irish records that are extant are online, unlike Austria, probably. And it might be doable.
Do you know if Bridget Henderson and her husband Patrick Mulholland were from the same place in Ireland? Sometimes, in the US at least, a person would marry someone from back home, at least in the generation that immigrated.
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Extremely difficult with no location in Ireland
Thought as much lol
oldohiohome - Thanks for that.
That's a lot of info to get me going.
My Father in law died many years ago and they're not the most talkative family. He was the last one. There was talk of a Mullholland that went to the USA but that's all I know.
Would there be anything on the Master Tailor record wise ?
I'll print this off tomorrow and have a read and note writing session and maybe even a tentative search.
Thanks,
Neil.
EDIT:
I assume it's more Northern than Southern for the wife's lot as it's closer to Scotland.
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May not all be as difficult as you think.
Bridget (Henderson) Mulholland applied for Old Age Pension in 1920 which gives a location for the family in 1851- even though the family weren't found there it gives a location to start searching-
http://censussearchforms.nationalarchives.ie/search/cs/details.jsp?id=25055
Not difficult to find- I just put 'Archibald Henderson & bridget mcilroy' into Google.
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Google also finds a sister for Bridget-
HENDERSON Catherine Archibald HENDERSON Bridget HENDERSON nee McELROY Drumduff Derryvullan Lurg Fermanagh 1851 - Archy 36 & Biddy 34 Henderson md 1840, Margaret 10, John 6, Catherine 5, Biddy 2 1916 - Mrs Catherine Morar, 258 Garngad Hill, Townhead, Glasgow Catherine born 1st June 1846
http://www.ireland-genealogy.com/view_category/Page-237.html
http://censussearchforms.nationalarchives.ie/search/cs/details.jsp?id=25047
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May not all be as difficult as you think.
Bridget (Henderson) Mulholland applied for Old Age Pension in 1920 which gives a location for the family in 1851- even though the family weren't found there it gives a location to start searching-
http://censussearchforms.nationalarchives.ie/search/cs/details.jsp?id=25055
Not difficult to find- I just put 'Archibald Henderson & bridget mcilroy' into Google.
That Archibald is on Griffiths.
Edited to add:
Archibald Henderson, Drumduff Townland, Derryvullan Parish, Fermanagh
parcel 12, house office and land
James and Thomas McIlroy in Drumskool Townland and a John McIlroy in Irvinestown.
And did the marriage certificates say if the fathers were deceased?
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https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0313 IF they are yours and R.C
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There are more than a few Henderson marriages in the Presbyterian Church in Irvinestown but I suspect Bridget might have been R.C.
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Name ARCHIBALD HENDERSON
Year of Death 1891
Group Registration ID 3788300
SR District/Reg Area Irvinestown
Deceased Age at Death 72
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1891/06081/4734440.pdf
died December 25, 1890 [registered in 1891], married, a farmer, of Drumduff, Fermanagh
informant: daughter Mary Henderson, present at death
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Bridget (McIlroy) Henderson's death, if the age at death is wrong by a lot, compared to her age in 1851. not impossible:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1901/05737/4619343.pdf
informant: Owen McGrade, who looks like he is her son in law:
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marriage of Owen Mcgrade and Sarah Henderson of Drumduff, daughter of Archibald, a farmer
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1892/10633/5873948.pdf
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1901 household of Owen and Sarah McGrade:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Fermanagh/Irvinestown/Drumduff/1355168/
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August 13, 1897, birth of Mary Catherine McGrade, in Drumduff. mother: Sarah McGrade, formerly Henderson
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1897/02117/1805130.pdf
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Maggie Ellen's birth, February 15, 1899:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1899/02051/1784911.pdf
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Valuation Revision books, Drumduff
parcel 12, 1882 - 1898: Archibald Henderson
next book, 1898 - 1913
parcel 12 starts in hands of representatives of Archibald Henderson
in 1903 it passes to Eliza Jane Kerr
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Morning all,
I went off to bed just after my last post so woke up to this amazing info. I'm going to have a good read through it all.
Spoke to the wife this morning and she said her dad had once said that they were Catholics.
A HUGE thank you to you all for your time and efforts.
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However, you are just starting. A lot or most of the Irish records that are extant are online, unlike Austria, probably. And it might be doable.
I've been researching my UK side for donkeys years ...
The Austrian side has been good - so far.
Many of the old Parish Registers are online for free so as long as you have an area or parish then it's fairly easy to go looking especially if you are prepared to troll through the index (hand written). What isn't easy is ... the Germanic handwritting and the Latin ...
Again thank for the help :)
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Have you looked at the wedding certificate of Patrick and Bridget from Scotland's People website this should give you ages of bride and groom and names of both sets of parents including mothers maiden names may help in finding them in Ireland
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Have you looked at the wedding certificate of Patrick and Bridget from Scotland's People website this should give you ages of bride and groom and names of both sets of parents including mothers maiden names may help in finding them in Ireland
From the original post on this thread it looks like OP already has viewed marriage certificate-
Bridget Henderson. Wife of Patrick Mullholland. Born in Ireland about 1852 and married in Scotland in 1876.
Archibald Henderson. According to the marriage cert in 1876 he was a Master Tailor.
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http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014912/005014912_00111.pdf
Probate of the Will of Archibald Henderson late of Drumduff County Fermanagh Farmer who died 24 December 1890 granted at Armagh to Irvine Keys Farmer. Effects £77 15s. 9d. Will dated 23 Oct.1890 mentions wife Bridget, daughter Sarah & other children (Margret, Cathrin, Bridget, Merey, John, James- all to get one shilling so either they'd already got a share, he felt they didn't need anything or he was disowning them).
https://apps.proni.gov.uk/WillsCalendar_IE/WillsSearch.aspx
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http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014912/005014912_00111.pdf
Probate of the Will of Archibald Henderson late of Drumduff County Fermanagh Farmer who died 24 December 1890 granted at Armagh to Irvine Keys Farmer. Effects £77 15s. 9d. Will dated 23 Oct.1890 mentions wife Bridget, daughter Sarah & other children (Margret, Cathrin, Bridget, Merey, John, James- all to get one shilling so either they'd already got a share, he felt they didn't need anything or he was disowning them).
https://holdingpage.nics.gov.uk/WillsCalendar_IE/willsSearchResultsDetails.aspx
Thanks for that. Disowned them maybe ... I could make a comment about the wife's side of the family being moody .. but I better not LOL
The holdingpage liink is giving:
404 - File or directory not found.
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The Will site was acting up earlier but I've edited the link so hopefully it will work- just keep trying until it does.
It may be that the reason only Sarah out of Archibald's children really inherited was that the others had left the area/Ireland or gone to Scotland. Sarah might have been the child who stayed home to look after the parents and therefore father felt she deserved to get his property. The 'one shilling' legacy was to prevent any other children making a claim to the estate (if not mentioned in the Will they could claim he'd merely forgotten to include them).
Note that McGlade marriage gives Owen's residence as Paisley and witnesses are John & Mary Henderson- https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1892/10633/5873948.pdf
Drumduff townland is just north of Irvinestown-
https://www.townlands.ie/fermanagh/lurg/derryvullan-and-islands/drumduff/
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Got it now ... many thanks for the help
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https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0313 IF they are yours and R.C
Hi Hallmark,
I clicked the link, the writing is rather bad and i cannot make out 95% of it.
Can you point me in the direction of of the actual Birth or marriage please i.e. the date so I can ry fathom out the hand writing.
Thanks in advance,
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I'd be looking at same Registers, same hand writing...... ;D
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https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0313 IF they are yours and R.C
Hi Hallmark,
I clicked the link, the writing is rather bad and i cannot make out 95% of it.
Can you point me in the direction of of the actual Birth or marriage please i.e. the date so I can ry fathom out the hand writing.
Thanks in advance,
The parish registers are notoriously hard to read, and yours is in Latin I think.
You have a rough idea of some of the children's births from that 1851 Census inquiry, and Sarah's from the 1901 census w/ Owen McGrade. I have them as:
Archibald Henderson (c 1815 - 25 Dec 1890)
married 1840
+ Bridget McIlroy (c 1817 - )
- Margaret Henderson (1841 - )
- John Henderson (1845 - )
- Catherine Henderson (1 June 1846 - )
- Bridget Henderson (1849 - )
- Mary Henderson ( )
informant at death of father
- John Henderson ( )
- James Henderson ( )
- Sarah Henderson (c 1860 - )
+ Owen McGrade
I only put Mary, John, and James where they are because it feels like Sarah was the youngest. No proof.
And the 1851 census inquiry said the parents were married in 1840, but I don't think the marriage register covered that year. I only took a brief look.
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Does Patrick Mulholland's 1876 marriage record say if his father John was deceased? If it does, then he was. If it doesn't say, then you can't tell either way.
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If the writing is difficult then Zoom right in and check Left Pages... then Right Pages using the Filters for Year etc
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I only put Mary, John, and James where they are because it feels like Sarah was the youngest. No proof.
And the 1851 census inquiry said the parents were married in 1840, but I don't think the marriage register covered that year. I only took a brief look.
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If my memory is correct they start a few years to late for 1840 Marriage!
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Found James- although I think he was born before 1864- died 1934 in Ohio, U.S.A.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X67F-279
Possibly James P. Henderson with wife Sarah in 1930 census-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X4C9-92N
1920 census with children Frances, Lawrence P. & Julia L.-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MD1S-Z28
1910 census- same 3 children-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:ML6Z-XDZ
1900 census says James Henderson born May 1859 which is probably more accurate (wonder if his baptism in Ireland can be found)- other 2 children are Lillian & Leo-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MM6J-F8G
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Lawrence P. Henderson
WWI draft registration- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K6NS-JN6
1930- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X44M-BQ4
1940- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KWFJ-JQN
Lillian E. Henderson
birth for L.E. (male) but could be Lillian E.? https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X69F-3HL
marriage- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XD6J-1CL
John A.L. Henderson (Leo)
birth- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XXC3-HRX
marriage- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XZ6R-HJ1
death- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X8V8-XG3
Mary Julia Henderson
marriage- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2QWL-YHK
Rachel F.S. Henderson (Frances)
birth- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XXZX-8HC
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OK so I have never delved into researching in Ireland and I'm wondering how how hard it will be.
Pretty easy. Nothing compared to nuclear science!
Amazing amount of original material available online for free. Where else can you say that about?
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Thanks aghadowey, that's a lot to work with.
Bridget Henderson married Patrick Mullholland and Great Granddaughter is my wife. So from Ireland, To Scotland and then here in London.
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There's more :)
James Henderson died 1934, wife Sarah died 1939-
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/43181851
Frances Henderson died 1967-
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/43181839/frances-Henderson
James Henderson m.(6 Nov.1885 Perry Co., Ohio) Sarah E. Powell
Daughter Lillian Reichley died Apr.1984 Arlington, Virginia
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https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0313 IF they are yours and R.C
Hi Hallmark,
I clicked the link, the writing is rather bad and i cannot make out 95% of it.
Can you point me in the direction of of the actual Birth or marriage please i.e. the date so I can ry fathom out the hand writing.
Thanks in advance,
Try searching free indexes on FindMyPast & Ancestry as you have an idea of the parish, then check possibilities in registers. Bear in mind that some entries may have been incorrectly transcribed, some may be illegible, and that the register may have years missing. If that doesn't work, you'll have to browse the registers. Although some registers are written in Latin, surnames were always in English.
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This is still a long shot, but here is a John Mulholland - Mary McCormick couple with a child being baptized. I didn't find any for this couple from January 1848 down to this son in August 1852, and I haven't yet looked later than this.
But there could easily be more than one couple in Ireland with these first and last names.
Magherafelt Parish, Co. Londonderry, Catholic Baptism Register
August 15, 1852
Baptized Joannem Mulholland filium Joannis et Maria McCormick
witnesses maybe Hugo Bateson and Sarah Malone
marginal note: A Horish [ might be the priest's name. a different name occurred regularly in the margin. Too bad, sometimes they record the townland in the margin]
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632614#page/59/mode/1up
As suggested in an earlier reply, I started at https://search.findmypast.ie/search-world-Records/ireland-roman-catholic-parish-baptisms and looked for any Mulholland, any date, with parents John and Mary. I picked Magherafelt because I had been looking there anyway, since there is a John Mulholland in Tamlaght O Crilly, and at least one McCormick in that area, on Griffith's.
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Irish Genealogy Toolkit is full of hints, tips and links. It has a section on Northern Ireland.
https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com
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Hi all,
Thanks all for the info so far. I never posted against last night as I dropped off to sleep (long day at work) and today although I printed off the thread to make notes on this is the first chance I have had to respond.
I noted that a couple may have been married about 1740 are there no registers around then anywhere ?
As Archibald Henderson was a farmer and left the farm to his wife and daughter in the will is there any way to find out the name of the farm and whereabouts it was?
Thanks
Neil.
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Henderson of Where?? When?
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/search/cwa/details.jsp?id=1639410507
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/01my6/ Wills from willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie
You can sort them by name or date or location
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Hi all,
Thanks all for the info so far. I never posted against last night as I dropped off to sleep (long day at work) and today although I printed off the thread to make notes on this is the first chance I have had to respond.
I noted that a couple may have been married about 1740 are there no registers around then anywhere ?
As Archibald Henderson was a farmer and left the farm to his wife and daughter in the will is there any way to find out the name of the farm and whereabouts it was?
Thanks
Neil.
some earlier replies said it was parcel 12 in Drumduff Townland.
for a map, go here
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/
find Archibald Henderson in Drumduff, whatever parish it was, Co Fermanagh, then click on the map button at the end of the row.
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Did Patrick Mulholland's 1876 marriage record say if his father John was deceased?
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some earlier replies said it was parcel 12 in Drumduff Townland.
for a map, go here
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/
find Archibald Henderson in Drumduff, whatever parish it was, Co Fermanagh, then click on the map button at the end of the row.
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Did Patrick Mulholland's 1876 marriage record say if his father John was deceased?
Located the entry.
http://griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/gv4/z/zoomifyDynamicViewer.php?file=109092&path=./pix/109/&rs=29&showpage=1&mysession=2622949362766&width=&height=
Located the map but doesn't have Drumduff shown.
http://griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/gv4/single_layer/i8.php?lat=&longt=&dum=0&sheet=11&mysession=2622949362766&info=&place=&county=FERMANAGH&placename=DRUMDUFF&parish=DERRYVULLAN&country=Ireland&union=&barony=LURG
That's pretty cool ... I like it - Thanks
I'll be digging out the marriage cert once the wife goes to bed
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Turns out there are maybe three Drumduff Townlands in Fermanagh.
Start here:
http://griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/gv4/single_layer/i8.php?lat=&longt=&dum=0&sheet=11&mysession=2622952210212&info=&place=&county=FERMANAGH&placename=DRUMDUFF&parish=DERRYVULLAN&country=Ireland&union=&barony=LURG
move the slider to "modern map", find Irvinestown, then Forthill, north of Irvinestown. Put finger on screen just north of the last "l" in Forthill, and move the slider to historical map. That should put you pretty close to Drumduff.
Here is another map to help get your bearings.
https://www.townlands.ie/fermanagh/lurg/derryvullan-and-islands/drumduff/
I took a screenshot of most of the townland, including Parcel 12. Too large to attach. I put it here:
https://myoldohiohome.com/images/Drumduff-zoomed-in.png
Download it, because I probably won't leave it there forever.
for moderators: The site is non-commercial and has no cookies)
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Do you know if Patrick Mulholland had siblings? If so, what information do you have on them?
A tree at familysearch says he had a brother Joseph, born about 1847, but no sources provided. Is that so?
They had Joseph's wife's name and a location for them other than Ireland (Scotland? England?, I forget), but I didn't keep it because there were no sources to back it up.
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Turns out there are maybe three Drumduff Townlands in Fermanagh.
Start here:
http://griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/gv4/single_layer/i8.php?lat=&longt=&dum=0&sheet=11&mysession=2622952210212&info=&place=&county=FERMANAGH&placename=DRUMDUFF&parish=DERRYVULLAN&country=Ireland&union=&barony=LURG
move the slider to "modern map", find Irvinestown, then Forthill, north of Irvinestown. Put finger on screen just north of the last "l" in Forthill, and move the slider to historical map. That should put you pretty close to Drumduff.
Here is another map to help get your bearings.
https://www.townlands.ie/fermanagh/lurg/derryvullan-and-islands/drumduff/
I took a screenshot of most of the townland, including Parcel 12. Too large to attach. I put it here:
https://myoldohiohome.com/images/Drumduff-zoomed-in.png
Download it, because I probably won't leave it there forever.
for moderators: The site is non-commercial and has no cookies)
The png comes up forbidden.
I was looking at a map and the Griffiths and I had guessed it was that one :)
One of these days if we ever get a chance I might take the wife over to Ireland and see if we can see it.
According to my Family Tree Maker I have no siblings recorded for Patrick Mullholland, but that doesn't mean he didn't have any.
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https://www.logainm.ie/en/s?txt=Drumduff&str=on&con=100014
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The png comes up forbidden.
According to my Family Tree Maker I have no siblings recorded for Patrick Mullholland, but that doesn't mean he didn't have any.
Just means looking at the registers to see if any can be found.
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The png comes up forbidden.
It worked from my desktop. But now not from my tablet. I’ll fix it or move it when I get back to the computer. Thanks for telling me.
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1876 Marriage of Patrick Mullholland and Bridget Henderson.
Married on 20 / 06 / 1876 St Rollox, Lanark, Scotland after banns according to the forms of the Roman Catholic Church.
Patrick's Parents: John Mullholland farmer and Mary Mullholland m.s. McCormick.
Bridget's Parents: Archibald Henderson Tailor (master) and Bridget Henderson m.s. McIlroy.
There is nothing about deceased on any parent.
1891 census of Scotland:
Both Patrick Mullholland Bridget Mulholland have listed their birthplace as Ireland. Both 38 (She could be 36 but there is a mark across the number)
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So probably father born 1825/30 or so
C Reg Death results for John Mulholland from 1876 to 1921 http://www.rootschat.com/links/01my8/
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Unless he was deceased and it just didn’t say so.
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Fermanagh Districts
Ballyshannon Clones Enniskillen Lisnaskea and Lowtherstown [Irvinestown]
You can select these from list on left
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So probably father born 1825/30 or so
C Reg Death results for John Mulholland from 1876 to 1921 http://www.rootschat.com/links/01my8/
That's a lot of deaths.
Unless he was deceased and it just didn’t say so.
I suspect that may have happened a lot. Maybe he died and Patrick might not have known.
Fermanagh Districts
Ballyshannon Clones Enniskillen Lisnaskea and Lowtherstown [Irvinestown]
You can select these from list on left
I'll go through them.
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A lot but they give ages at Death!!
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The records I found were in Irvingstown district.
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Obviously you don't need to check the likes of
Death of JOHN MULHOLLAND in 1881
Group Registration ID 6634687
SR District/Reg Area Limavady
Deceased Age at Death 2
Death of JOHN MULHOLLAND in 1881
Group Registration ID 6978377
SR District/Reg Area Limavady
Deceased Age at Death 0
Death of JOHN MULHOLLAND in 1892
Group Registration ID 3754918
SR District/Reg Area Limavady
Deceased Age at Death 1
Death of JOHN MULHOLLAND in 1896
Group Registration ID 4101499
SR District/Reg Area Limavady
Deceased Age at Death 35
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I just remembered, We have no proof the Mulhollands were from Fermanagh.
No real trace of them yet, just a few leads I found in Derry, but I haven’t got back to look at them again.
The records I found in Irvingstown were for the Hendersons.
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Thanks guys.
Tomorrow is going to be a interesting day at work lol
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I just remembered, We have no proof the Mulhollands were from Fermanagh.
No real trace of them yet, just a few leads I found in Derry, but I haven’t got back to look at them again.
The records I found in Irvingstown were for the Hendersons.
Just a matter of looking at L/Derry Districts
Ballymoney Coleraine Londonderry Magherafelt and Newtown Limavady [Limavady] on Link I posted!
C Reg Death results for John Mulholland from 1876 to 1921 http://www.rootschat.com/links/01my8/
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Obviously discounting those of completely wrong age at Death!
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Then alter search and look for wife's Death.
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As for the others, my plan of attack would be to look for the names of the fathers in Griffith's Valuation, and hope you are right about them being from what is now N. Ireland, since that narrows things down to 6 counties.
In Griffith's Valuation of Ireland, (1850s-1860s) the surnames Henderson and McIlroy occur together in the same parish in many parishes in all 6 counties now in Northern Ireland.
Remember that there are 9 Ulster counties. :)
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I noted that a couple may have been married about 1740 are there no registers around then anywhere ?
I didn't realise you'd got back that far. I've missed a lot in 24 hours.
Simple answer to your question is "not many". Depends on where and which religious denomination. See section on church records on Irish Genealogy Toolkit website for a detailed explanation.
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Found James- although I think he was born before 1864- died 1934 in Ohio, U.S.A.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X67F-279
Possibly James P. Henderson with wife Sarah in 1930 census-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X4C9-92N
1920 census with children Frances, Lawrence P. & Julia L.-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MD1S-Z28
1910 census- same 3 children-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:ML6Z-XDZ
1900 census says James Henderson born May 1859 which is probably more accurate (wonder if his baptism in Ireland can be found)- other 2 children are Lillian & Leo-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MM6J-F8G
James Henderson
The Circleville Herald
Circleville, Ohio
Saturday, September 01, 1934 - Page 1
Obit: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/25043820/james_hendersonobit/
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James's wife Sarah (nee Powell) died in 1939
Obit: (see attached below)
Find A Grave: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/43181859
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The Newark Advocate
Newark, Ohio
Tuesday, January 10, 1967 - Page 17
Lawrence Henderson
Lawrence P. Henderson, 71, Rt. 2, Nashport, died at 4:38 p. m. Monday In the Licking County Memorial Hospital. He had been ill for three years. He was born In Perry County, July 16, 1895, to James and Sarah Powell Henderson. He had lived in this area for 45 years. Formerly employed as a general foreman with Buckeye Pipeline Construction Co.; be retired six years ago. He was a member of Blessed Sacrament Church, American Legion, Veterans of Foreign Wars, and a life-member of Elks Lodge No. 391. He served as a sergeant In World War I. arrangements later.
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A few things I found this evening:
At familysearch I found these, but I couldn't find them at Scotland's People, so I don't know what the image says:
Patrick Mulholland
Scotland Census, 1881
Name: Patrick Mulholland
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1881
Gender: Male
Age: 30
Registration District: Dennistoun
County: Lanarkshire
Birth Year (Estimated): 1851
Bridget Mulholland
Scotland Census, 1881
Name: Bridget Mulholland
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1881
Gender: Female
Age: 29
Registration District: Dennistoun
County: Lanarkshire
Birth Year (Estimated): 1852
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This is the only marriage of Bridget Henderson's siblings that I found in Irvingstown Registration District.
Catherine then ends up in the same part of Glasgow as Bridget:
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- Catherine Henderson (1 June 1846 - )
+ Charles Moran
md November 13, 1874, Irvinestown
RC Chapel Whitehill
she: of Drumduff
witnesses: Thos Connelly, Francis Irvine
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1874/11253/8126806.pdf
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Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Name: Mary Catherine Moran
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 22 May 1881
Birthplace: Dennistoun, Lanark, Scotland
Father's Name: Charles Moran
Mother's Name: Catherine Henderson
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTXC-Y89
I didn't look for them on the censuses.
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And I didn't find any deaths for Bridget's siblings in Irvingstown either, so they must have all left except Sarah, or lived past 1922. The son John could have married elsewhere as well - in his bride's parish.
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And finally,
This is still a long shot, but here is a John Mulholland - Mary McCormick couple with a child being baptized. I didn't find any for this couple from January 1848 down to this son in August 1852, and I haven't yet looked later than this.
Magherafelt Parish, Co. Londonderry, Catholic Baptism Register
August 15, 1852
Baptized Joannem Mulholland filium Joannis et Maria McCormick
witnesses maybe Hugo Bateson and Sarah Malone
marginal note: A Horish [ might be the priest's name. a different name occurred regularly in the margin. Too bad, sometimes they record the townland in the margin]
I looked for other baptisms for this couple from January 1847 to December 1856, and that is the only one I found. Maybe they moved soon after this child's birth.
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A few things I found this evening:
At familysearch I found these, but I couldn't find them at Scotland's People, so I don't know what the image says:
Patrick Mulholland
Scotland Census, 1881
Name: Patrick Mulholland
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1881
Gender: Male
Age: 30
Registration District: Dennistoun
County: Lanarkshire
Birth Year (Estimated): 1851
Bridget Mulholland
Scotland Census, 1881
Name: Bridget Mulholland
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1881
Gender: Female
Age: 29
Registration District: Dennistoun
County: Lanarkshire
Birth Year (Estimated): 1852
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These are correct.
I have a copy of these.
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This is the only marriage of Bridget Henderson's siblings that I found in Irvingstown Registration District.
Catherine then ends up in the same part of Glasgow as Bridget:
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- Catherine Henderson (1 June 1846 - )
+ Charles Moran
md November 13, 1874, Irvinestown
RC Chapel Whitehill
she: of Drumduff
witnesses: Thos Connelly, Francis Irvine
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1874/11253/8126806.pdf
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Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Name: Mary Catherine Moran
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 22 May 1881
Birthplace: Dennistoun, Lanark, Scotland
Father's Name: Charles Moran
Mother's Name: Catherine Henderson
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTXC-Y89
I didn't look for them on the censuses.
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And I didn't find any deaths for Bridget's siblings in Irvingstown either, so they must have all left except Sarah, or lived past 1922. The son John could have married elsewhere as well - in his bride's parish.
Thanks mate this is brilliant.
Today I am catching up on adding lots of info on to my FTM and tomorrow s a trp to see m lads at Uni as it's his 21st Birthday on Monday.
The English, Scots and Irish families are keeping me on my toes LOL
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Over the weekend I found some Mulholland information and it should give you a
general location for where Patrick Mulholland was from in Ireland.
This is the tree on familysearch that said that Patrick had a brother named
Joseph:
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/family/9DVN-4YR
I messaged the lady that is working on that tree and she said that in 1901,
Bridget Mulholland, a widow, had in her household a niece named Charlotte
Mulholland. Charlotte is the daughter of Joseph Mulholland and Charlotte Boon,
found in Glasgow in 1881:
1881
Source :FHL Film 0203640 GRO Ref Volume 644-3 EnumDist 62 Page 2
Reference Number :561749
Census Place :Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Dwelling 33, Middleton
Joseph Mullholland, 36, born in Ireland, general laborer
Charlotte Mullholland, 36, born in Ireland
John Mullholland, 15, born in Ireland, pottery laborer
Martha Mullholland, 11, born in Ireland
Mary Mullholland, 5, born in Glasgow
Charlotte Mullholland, 3, born in Glasgow
Joseph Mullholland, 2m, born in Glasgow
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With help from her tree:
Joseph and Charlotte were married in Ireland, in Magherafelt Registration
District, September 8, 1864:
Ireland Marriages, 1619-1898
Name: Joseph Mulholland
Birth Date: 1843
Age: 21
Spouse's Name: Charlotte Ann Boon
Spouse's Birth Date: 1843
Spouse's Age: 21
Event Date: 08 Sep 1864
Event Place: Magherafelt, Derry, Ireland
Father's Name: John Mulholland
Spouse's Father's Name: Samuel Boon
Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Marital Status: Single
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FG8P-3L7
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The image of the civil Registration of their marriage is not online yet, but I
found their marriage in the parish register:
Magherafelt Parish register
September 8, 1864
from Latin:
Joined in marriage in the parish church of Magherafelt, Joseph Mulholland of
Ballynagarve and Charlotte Anna Coon of Leckagh
witnesses: John Moonhull? and Rachael Lees, of Magherafelt
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632615#page/150/mode/1up
Ballynagarve is in Artrea Civil Parish, Ardtrea and Desertlin Catholic Parish,
and is just east of Magherafelt town, NE of the B160 road
If Joseph was from Ballynagarve when he married in 1864, then Patrick couldn't
have been from too far away from there.
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Joseph and Charlotte had a few children born in Ireland:
Joseph was a weaver of Leckagh Townland, Magherafelt, in 1866 when his son
John was born on April 21, 1866.
Son Joseph was born also in Leckagh 16 May 1868. Tree at familysearch says he
died in Dennistoun, Glasgow, in 1881.
Daughter Martha (Matty Ann) was born August 28, 1870, Kilfaddy townland, and
Joseph was a farmer at the time.
Images of the births are in the Civil Registrations at
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
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I found three baptisms in Magherafelt Catholic Parish that might be siblings
of Patrick and Joseph:
April 23, 1843
James Mulholland son of John and Mary Mulholland [no maiden name given].
witnesses Paul McGuigan and Catherine Cassidy [no townland listed]
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632614#page/31/mode/1up
June 6, 1844
Baptized Elianor Mulhold [sic] daughter of John and Mary McCormick, witnesses
Hugo Walls and Elianor McGuckin
margin: Ballymaguigan/Ballymaquigan
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632614#page/35/mode/1up
Note: Ballymaguigan is in Artrea Civil Parish, Artrea Catholic Parish,
It is ESE of Magherafelt, straddles B18, and borders Ballynagarve
(got help here trying to read Ballymaguigan:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=803019.0)
August 15, 1852
Baptized Joannem Mulholland filium Joannis et Maria McCormick
witnesse maybe Hugo Bateson and Sarah Malone
marginal note: A Horish
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632614#page/59/mode/1up
Note, my best guess for the location is Anahorish, The Creagh townland,
Artrea Civil Parish, between Magherafelt and Toome, but much closer to Toome.
[Anahorish is the home of poet Seamus Heaney]
If those are Patrick's parents, then they moved around a bit. Maybe Patrick and
Joseph were baptized somewhere nearby, but in a different parish.
So Patrick Mulholland was probably from the area of Ballynagarve and
Ballymaguigan, Co. Derry.
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Sorry for the late reply OldOhioHome.
That's a lot to digest. Thank you very much.
I have printed it off this morning and I'll be reading through the whole thread making my usual notes.
Watch this space ;)
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Google also finds a sister for Bridget-
HENDERSON Catherine Archibald HENDERSON Bridget HENDERSON nee McELROY Drumduff Derryvullan Lurg Fermanagh 1851 - Archy 36 & Biddy 34 Henderson md 1840, Margaret 10, John 6, Catherine 5, Biddy 2 1916 - Mrs Catherine Morar, 258 Garngad Hill, Townhead, Glasgow Catherine born 1st June 1846
http://www.ireland-genealogy.com/view_category/Page-237.html
http://censussearchforms.nationalarchives.ie/search/cs/details.jsp?id=25047
Morning all,
Sorry for late replies.
Been very out of the loop since November. Diagnosed with depression so Family History, and other hobbies have gone truly out of the window.
Now beginning to get myself back on track.
So I have been looking at this again and reading from post 1.
http://www.ireland-genealogy.com/view_category/Page-237.html
website is coming up with:
Access denied.
I'm getting this with both home computer and work one.
Anyone know if the site has problems ?
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[quote author=Lensmeister link=topic=802818.msg6751057#msg6751057 date=1560242616
http://www.ireland-genealogy.com/view_category/Page-237.html
website is coming up with:
Access denied.
I'm getting this with both home computer and work one.
Anyone know if the site has problems ?
[/quote]
I've just tried it and got same message. There has been a long-promised big update this week, adding 1918 births + other stuff + corrections submitted by users. I can access the website OK.
The link to census search form in National Archives works.
Welcome back. :)
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Thanks.
I'll give a few days and retry
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I'm not sure that link is to Irish Genealogy
Which is here updates in place
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/
I think Ireland Genealogy is a different site.
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I tried googling the first line in the result aghadowey found and got the same site access denied
Google also finds a sister for Bridget-
HENDERSON Catherine Archibald HENDERSON Bridget HENDERSON nee McELROY Drumduff Derryvullan Lurg Fermanagh 1851 - Archy 36 & Biddy 34 Henderson md 1840, Margaret 10, John 6, Catherine 5, Biddy 2 1916 - Mrs Catherine Morar, 258 Garngad Hill, Townhead, Glasgow Catherine born 1st June 1846
http://www.ireland-genealogy.com/view_category/Page-237.html
http://censussearchforms.nationalarchives.ie/search/cs/details.jsp?id=25047
but googled Ireland Genealogy and got a result on twitter, which I haven't a clue about.
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Yes...completely different site to BDM site
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I think that link doesn't work. I didn't know to which piece of information it referred. It was posted last year and I hadn't been following this thread closely.
Since my previous post I tried again and found an internet index to a differently numbered page on Irish Genealogy.ie with a search form. I put in Henderson in surname box. This led to a list of sources. I chose "Census search forms" and got the National Archives list of 33 entries for Henderson. It was an alternative path to find the National Archives information.
I've only ever accessed census search form info on National Archives site.
I suggest leaving it to aghadowey to explain the other one.
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The link won't work for me Maiden Stone
Hallmark have you a link to that site, I can't find it.
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Doesn't exist anymore since the Census Application Forms went online...
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Doesn't exist anymore since the Census Application Forms went online...
Oh right did you have an image of it in storage ;D
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No.....went in through the cat flap ;D no image of it in storage!
Site wasn't needed anymore !
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That explains it. We were all searching for something which has gone extinct. (Imagine lightbulb emoji here.)
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That explains it. We were all searching for something which has gone extinct. (Imagine lightbulb emoji here.)
The likes of
HENDERSON Catherine Archibald HENDERSON Bridget HENDERSON nee McELROY Drumduff Derryvullan Lurg Fermanagh 1851 - Archy 36 & Biddy 34 Henderson md 1840, Margaret 10, John 6, Catherine 5, Biddy 2 1916 - Mrs Catherine Morar, 258 Garngad Hill, Townhead, Glasgow Catherine born 1st June 1846
all to be found on the Census site now!
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That explains it. We were all searching for something which has gone extinct. (Imagine lightbulb emoji here.)
The likes of
HENDERSON Catherine Archibald HENDERSON Bridget HENDERSON nee McELROY Drumduff Derryvullan Lurg Fermanagh 1851 - Archy 36 & Biddy 34 Henderson md 1840, Margaret 10, John 6, Catherine 5, Biddy 2 1916 - Mrs Catherine Morar, 258 Garngad Hill, Townhead, Glasgow Catherine born 1st June 1846
all to be found on the Census site now!
Which aghadowey had linked to anyway so all for nothing in the long run.
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That explains it. We were all searching for something which has gone extinct. (Imagine lightbulb emoji here.)
The likes of
HENDERSON Catherine Archibald HENDERSON Bridget HENDERSON nee McELROY Drumduff Derryvullan Lurg Fermanagh 1851 - Archy 36 & Biddy 34 Henderson md 1840, Margaret 10, John 6, Catherine 5, Biddy 2 1916 - Mrs Catherine Morar, 258 Garngad Hill, Townhead, Glasgow Catherine born 1st June 1846
all to be found on the Census site now!
Which aghadowey had linked to anyway so all for nothing in the long run.
Was valid then!
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I have been tracing my relation John Mulholland son of John & Mary nee McCormick. From what I have read on this site he is brother of Patrick and Joseph. I will post more info interested
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1876 Marriage of Patrick Mullholland and Bridget Henderson.
Married on 20 / 06 / 1876 St Rollox, Lanark, Scotland after banns according to the forms of the Roman Catholic Church.
A thread about St. Rollox Registration District.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=283957.0
Reply 11 on the thread said that Garngad, which I noticed in an address, was a well-known Irish quarter in Glasgow.
I'd never heard of a Saint Rollox in Scotland.
https://saintsplaces.gla.ac.uk/place.php?id=1337703369
"Saints in Scotland Place-Names"
Rollox is a variant of St. Roch/Roche, a hermit. (S/he kept a low profile. :))
A list of Catholic churches in Lanarkshire includes St. Roch, Glasgow, Garngad. That may be the church where the marriage was.
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/articles/scotland-roman-catholic-parish-list
A Church of Scotland church in Lanark is/was St. Rollox.
JMul, welcome to RootsChat. Today is 3rd anniversary of this topic. I read it all through to refresh my memory. Original poster is still active on RootsChat.
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I have been tracing my relation John Mulholland son of John & Mary nee McCormick. From what I have read on this site he is brother of Patrick and Joseph. I will post more info interested
I would be interested yes.
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1876 Marriage of Patrick Mullholland and Bridget Henderson.
Married on 20 / 06 / 1876 St Rollox, Lanark, Scotland after banns according to the forms of the Roman Catholic Church.
A thread about St. Rollox Registration District.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=283957.0
Reply 11 on the thread said that Garngad, which I noticed in an address, was a well-known Irish quarter in Glasgow.
I'd never heard of a Saint Rollox in Scotland.
https://saintsplaces.gla.ac.uk/place.php?id=1337703369
"Saints in Scotland Place-Names"
Rollox is a variant of St. Roch/Roche, a hermit. (S/he kept a low profile. :))
A list of Catholic churches in Lanarkshire includes St. Roch, Glasgow, Garngad. That may be the church where the marriage was.
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/articles/scotland-roman-catholic-parish-list
A Church of Scotland church in Lanark is/was St. Rollox.
JMul, welcome to RootsChat. Today is 3rd anniversary of this topic. I read it all through to refresh my memory. Original poster is still active on RootsChat.
St Rollox was also a very large Rail works in Glasgow.
Couple years ago the wife and I visited the area and the church her Grandparents were married in the RC church of St. Rochs.
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Lensmeister, you need to remove your email address from reply 84. RootsChat doesn't allow email addresses on the Forum. If JMul makes a couple more posts their private message function will become operational and you can exchange personal information via that.