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Robert Prideaux married Elizabeth Rafferty (daughter of James Rafferty and Bridget McCabe).
Elizabeth was born 1861 (probably Co Fermanagh) and died on the 4th November 1953 in Clones, Co Monaghan.
I have been unable to find a marriage for Robert Prideaux and Elizabeth, a birth for either or a death for Robert.
The only fact I know is that Robert had died before 1953.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Phil
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Only 4 PRIDEAUX registered on Civil Reg
Marriage results for Prideaux
Marriage of JOHN NEWMAN and CELIA PRIDEAUX
on 07 September 1889
Group Registration ID 2514508
SR District/Reg Area Cork
Marriage of THOMAS MCCLELLAND and MARY PRIDEAUX
on 26 April 1886
Group Registration ID 2372534
SR District/Reg Area Cork
Marriage of PHILIP PRIDEAUX and ELIZA RICHARDSON
on 31 March 1909
Group Registration ID 1877930
SR District/Reg Area Belfast
Marriage of WALTER PRIDEAUX and GEORGINA FLEMYNG
on 29 April 1874
Group Registration ID 2831654
SR District/Reg Area Dublin South
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Name Elizabeth PRIDEAUX
Year of Death 1953
Group Registration ID 2643289
SR District/Reg Area Clones
Deceased Age at Death 92
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1953/04459/4167643.pdf
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Elizabeth was born 1861 (probably Co Fermanagh) and died on the 4th November 1953 in Clones, Co Monaghan.
You probably had that Cert but didn't say!
Much easier if you post things so people can look at them and see details!
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Thank you for your help Hallmark.
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Clonmackin, Newtownbutler is this where they lived??
Or have you look for where the Townland on Cert is??
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Hi Hallmark - the Rafferty family were in Clonmackin. We cannot find Robert and Elizabeth in any census. The only reference is the fact she bought a headstone for her parents in Sacred Heart Cemetery and that she died in Clones (on the certificate).
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I'm wondering if they lived over the border!
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We wondered that too but not sure how to find that out.
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Could Robert have been in military or worked abroad for some reason?
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Thank you for your reply Maiden Stone - how would we find out about that in Ireland please?
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There’s about 7 Robert Prideaux deaths registered in England in the period 1916 to 1953. Have you looked at those? Could he have died there? There was a Robert who died in Falmouth on 4.5.1949, born c 1882. It made me wonder whether there was a connection to George Prideaux in the Coastguard service whose family are nearby to Clones, in the Irish statutory records. Could Robert also have been in that line of business, which might take him to places like Falmouth? His widow may have returned to live with her family in Ireland after his death. Just speculation but a thought. The 1949 Robert left a will, so that could tell you a bit about him.
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Thank you for your input Elwyn - will look at your thoughts and see if there could be a connection between George and Robert.
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There's a Robert Prideaux born Sunderland circa 1866 on this ship manifest 3rd from top page 2, though i wonder how they transcribed that
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/search/cl/details.jsp?id=IRE/CREWLISTS/00269852
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Many thanks dathai
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have you tried the 1939 register
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mz2/
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Thank you - yes have tried this but no luck.
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Several Robert Prideaux births in 1850s-1860s and marriages in England. Seems to have been a fair few in Cornwall and elsewhere in SW England. Plenty of opportunities for coastguards there.
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Thanks Maiden Stone - have checked through them but no luck.
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Robert Prideaux married Elizabeth Rafferty (daughter of James Rafferty and Bridget McCabe).
Elizabeth was born 1861 (probably Co Fermanagh) and died on the 4th November 1953 in Clones, Co Monaghan.
I have been unable to find a marriage for Robert Prideaux and Elizabeth, a birth for either or a death for Robert.
The only fact I know is that Robert had died before 1953.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Phil
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Welcome to Rootschat, maguire. You've quoted previous post on this thread rather than posting your own message- can we help you find something?
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Given how rare the surname Prideaux is in the context of Ireland, note the following.
A John and Elizabeth Prideaux arrived at Londonderry in December 1928 on board the 'Transylvania' from New York, John was recorded as a 57 year old gardener, Elizabeth as a 57 year old housewife, the address they were heading to was 'Lisnoroe Clones, Co. Monaghan, Ireland'.
The closest I could find for that location are the townlands of Lisnaroe Far & Near, which are near Clonmackan:
https://www.townlands.ie/monaghan/dartree/clones/clones-rural/lisnaroe-far/
https://www.townlands.ie/monaghan/dartree/clones/clones-rural/lisnaroe-near/
https://www.townlands.ie/fermanagh/clankelly/clonkeelan/clonmackan/
What looks like the same couple sailed to Boston on the 'Lancastria' leaving Liverpool in February 1929, both aged 58, John recorded as naturalised at Lynn, Massachusetts on 9.3.1905, Elizabeth naturalised by marriage, their address in the USA given as Swampscott, Massachusetts.
I can see a marriage (available to view on the 'familysearch' website) registered in the city of Boston for a John R Prideaux and Elizabeth F Rafferty, it took place on 4 August 1901, their address given as 17 W Cottage Street, John was recorded as a 30 year old gardener, born in England to Samuel Prideaux and Jenet West, Elizabeth was recorded as a 29 year old domestic servant, born in England to John Rafferty and Elizabeth Dodge (though in the 1930 US census, Elizabeth's birth place, and those of her parents, were stated as Northern Ireland).
Note the following grave for a John Robert Prideaux who died in 1933 aged 61-62 and was buried at Lynn, Massachusetts:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/185816122/john-robert-prideaux