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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: Hopiee225 on Friday 02 November 18 17:47 GMT (UK)
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Hi, this document is a marriage certificate - Catharine Drummond married to john Sturrock i think. I'm hoping some can help me decipher it for my research thought i would try this first before i pay someone to help thank you.
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John Sturrock upholsterer and Catharine Drummond daur of Jno Drummond
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John Sturrock upholsterer and Catharine Drummond daur of Jno Drummond
thank you do you have any clue what that may mean never heard that before
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Well daur is short for daughter. And Jno is generally short for John.
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Well daur is short for daughter. And Jno is generally short for John.
So that would mean it say catharine Drummond daughter of john drummond
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Yes :)
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Jno is also often a short form of Jonathan.
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Jno is also often a short form of Jonathan.
thank you is there anything else you can make out if you don't mind me asking.
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Only one of the entries is the Sturrock one. All the rest on the page are others who got married. Looks like date was some time in November 18?8. 1848?
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November 13 1848
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTVC-VXQ
Jamjar
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Could this be them on the 1851 census?
282/ 73/ 2 Dundee Angus
STURROCK CATHERINE 26
STURROCK JOHN 25
1861:
282/2 10/ 39 Dundee Second District Angus
STUROCK Catherine 36
STURROCK John 36
STURROCK Agnes 11
STURROCK William 9
STURROCK John 7
STURROCK Henrietta 5
STURROCK Betsey 3
STURROCK Isabella 2
Of note: 282/2 10/ 40 Dundee Second District Angus
STURROCK William 70
STURROCK Henrietta 33
STURROCK Bettsy 40
Jamjar
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1861 census also has Agnes Stirton in household, showing as mother in law age 80 born Rattray.
This may be Catherine Drummond's birth
Kathrine Drummond
3 Oct 1824
Rattray Perthshire
Father John Drummond
Mother Agnes Sturton.
William
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1861 census also has Agnes Stirton in household, showing as mother in law age 80 born Rattray.
This may be Catherine Drummond's birth
Kathrine Drummond
3 Oct 1824
Rattray Perthshire
Father John Drummond
Mother Agnes Sturton.
William
Not the usual Church:
DRUMMOND Katherine
John DRUMMOND
7 MARCH 1824
COMRIE ASSOCIATE
PERTH
Jamjar
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1861 census also has Agnes Stirton in household, showing as mother in law age 80 born Rattray.
This may be Catherine Drummond's birth
Kathrine Drummond
3 Oct 1824
Rattray Perthshire
Father John Drummond
Mother Agnes Sturton.
William
Hmm maybe i never thought that it would be spelt that way
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Hi, this document is a marriage certificate
Actually, strictly speaking, it isn't. It's from before the start of statutory civil registration in 1855, before which there was no such thing as a marriage 'certificate'. It's useful to understand the difference between pre- and post-1855 records.
What you have here is the record of proclamation of banns in the parish kirk of Dundee. Each line on the page refers to a different couple.
The kirk required to make sure that the couple were free to marry. This involved their names being proclaimed three times at services in the parish kirk. If no-one came forward with a valid objection to the marriage, the wedding could then go ahead. In some parishes all you get is the names of the couple and the date on which the proclamation of banns was recorded by the clerk.
Dundee is one of the parishes where you get not only the record of the proclamations, but also the actual date of the wedding and often the name of the bride's father.
Post-1855 certificates contain a lot more information - exactly where and when the wedding took place and by which religious denomination, names, ages, marital status and occupations of bride and groom, full name and occupation of the bride's father, full name and maiden surname of the bride's mother, who performed the ceremony and names of witnesses, date and place of registration, and signature of registrar. The details evolved over the years, so that for example from 1939 the witnesses' addresses are included, and from the mid-20th century the couple's dates and countries of birth.
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Hi Hopiee,
Please click on the notify button on this topic, when I merged your two profiles this topic was missed out of the notify list.
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Regards
Sarah