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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: michaelcharles on Monday 05 November 18 17:08 GMT (UK)
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Looking for any information on origins James Cowen b. circa 1814 in Ireland. He was married in Liverpool in 1842 and was living in Tipton, Staffs., in 1851, where he was visited by a John Cowen, born circa 1801, in Ireland.
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He was married in Liverpool in 1842
What was his fathers name on the marriage cert? Freebmd has surname as Cowan on marriage and www.lancashirebmdorg.uk have it as Corran!!
It looks as though it took place in a Catholic church
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Carole,
James Cowan, Father Phillip Cowan, married Ellen Broadbent 1842 St Peter's Priory.
Heywood
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In 1851 2029/106/41
James Cowen is a Soap Cutter.
Possibility here
1841 562/7/7
Peter’s Place Liverpool
There is a James Cowan, 25 yrs Soap Boiler b Ireland
There are others though. Have you checked them , Michael?
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Thanks for the replies. This is definitely our man. I knew who he married, but not his father;s name. i am really interested to know from where in Ireland he originated. Cheers.
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It would seem unlikely that you can go back further.
There is no indication other than Ireland. You need a county and parish really.
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sometimes flukes or red herrings happen
by chance I found a family that had two John Cowan options of interest in Co Down see http://www.rosdavies.com/SURNAMES/C/Cowan.htm
John COWAN Drumgooland of Ballymagreehan ; signed a leased dated 20 Apr 1818 with the Annesley Estate for 14 acres for an annual rent of £ 14 and held for the lives of John, Patrick & James Cowan (sons) ; rent paid 1835-1843; lessee died AERL p129
another entry shows John COAN Drumgooland farmed in Ballymagreehan [townland]
in 1803 LDR
the lessee means to me that John the father died probably 1843
a john Cowan was renting a farm in 1863 map ref 64 he had 12 acres and a house valued at ten shillingspa in Griffiths valuation, http://griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/gv4/z/zoomifyDynamicViewer.php?file=079134&path=./pix/079/&rs=25&showpage=1&mysession=2624586565924&width=&height=
nearby is a Felix and also a Margaret Cowan, but no sign of a Patrick or James.
One might imagine the eldest son ie brother John visiting his youngest brother in. Tipton Staffs
church records at PRONI Belfast
include
R.C. Drumgooland Lower (Dromore diocese)
Baptisms, marriages and deaths, 1832 81.
R.C. Drumgooland Upper (Dromore diocese)
Baptisms and marriages, 1827-80; deaths, 1828-81.with the dates starting too late assuming the family was originally catholic
do you think its worth following it up
i didnt check if the family line is still there later
good luck whatever
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James father was Phillip according to the marriage certificate.
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Thank you 'Heywood', so thats a red herring for sure. Nevertheless here are 54 possible John Cowan to overview the problems facing "michaelcharles' this list is a combination of two sources harnessing the only other census substititute The Tithe Applotment Books, wnich are deemed incomplete,biased, etc etc But they exist in simple one liner entries giving the tenants name location and quality of land in irish avres. Like current Ireland the records have been divided, and this list combines the 6 NI county parishes with the 26 county parishes.
the result is 54 locations for John Cowan. Your John Cowan might be among them
abbreviations used
IGH = Irish Genealogy Hub. They http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/ have thankfully indexed by parish the names in NI parishes, which in turn has been indexed by me, both with errors. The original books being in PRONI Belfast.
NAI= National Archives Of Ireland.Dublin They http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/home.jsp have the index lists and the further wording of the original entry.
The list is arranged by county, then townland
Cowan, John Townland: Bellahill Year: 1833 Kilroots Antrim IGH
Cowan, John Townland: Ballinacard Year: 1825 Skerry Antrim IGH
Cowan, Jno. Townland: Rathcavan and Tullog Year: 1825 Skerry Antrim IGH
Cowan, Jno. Townland: Carrenbrock Year: 1833 Templecorran Antrim IGH
Cowan, John Townland : Marmacullen Year : 1830 Ballymore Armagh IGH
Cowan, John Townland : Corliss Year : 1828 Creggan Armagh IGH
Cowan, John Carlifs 1827 Creggan Armagh NAI
Cowan, John Corliss 1827 Creggan Armagh NAI
Cowan, John Townland: Dunlarge Year: 1825 Keady Armagh IGH
Cowan, John Townland: Drumhillary Year: 1827 Tynan Armagh IGH
Cowan, John Drumboe 1826 Annagelliff Cavan NAI
Cowan, John[Jno] Ballintemple 1828 Ballintemple Cavan NAI
Cowan, John Townland : Cloughole Year: 1835 Faughanvale Derry IGH
Cowan, John Townland : Greenan Lower Year: 1835 Faughanvale Derry IGH
Cowan, John Townland : Greenan Upper Year: 1835 Faughanvale Derry IGH
Cowan, John Ramelton 1834 Aughnish Donegal NAI
Cowan, John Ramelton 1834 Aughnish Donegal NAI
Cowan, John Cloughfin 1826 Taughboyne Donegal NAI
Cowan, John Tonagh 1826 Taughboyne Donegal NAI
Cowan, John Townland: Ballygorianbeg Year: 1834 Clonduff Down IGH
Cowan, John Townland: Tammary Year: 1834 Clonduff Down IGH
Cowan, John Townland: Meenon Year: 1828 Aghaderg Down IGH
Cowan, John Townland: Portaferry Gardens Year: 1827 Ballyphilip Down IGH
Cowan, Jno. Townland: Ballymacrattymore Year: 1829 Donaghmore Down IGH
Cowan, John Ballymageraghty 1828 Drumgooland Down NAI
Cowan, John Townland: Ballymagenahy Year: 1829 Drumgooland Down IGH
Cowan, John Townland: Slievenalargy Year: 1829 Kilcoo Down IGH
Cowan, John Townland: Ballylough Year: 1829 Killmegan Down IGH
Cowan, John Townland: Ballydown Year: 1828 Seapatrick Down IGH
Cowan, John Townland: Ballymagenahy Year: 1828 Seapatrick Down IGH
Cowan, John Townland: Tullyeare Year: 1828 Seapatrick Down IGH
Cowan, John Tl:Craghan Yr: 1829 Magheracross Fermanagh IGH
Cowan, Jno. Tl: Aughnacloy Yr: 1827 Carnteel Fermanagh & Tyrone IGH
Cowan, John Drumkeelan 1833 Kiltubbrid Leitrim NAI
Cowan, John Carra 1833 Granard Longford NAI
Cowan, John Charlestown Mill Holding 1825 Kilbride Meath NAI
Cowan, John Kilcoursey 1825 Kilbride Meath NAI
Cowan, John Kilcoursey 1825 Kilbride Meath NAI
Cowan, John Kilcoursey Sub Highgate 1825 Kilbride Meath NAI
Cowan, John Charles Town 1826 Kilbride [Offaly] King's NAI
Cowan, John Kilcoursey 1826 Kilbride [Offaly] King's NAI
Cowan, John Kilcoursey 1826 Kilbride [Offaly] King's NAI
Cowan, John Kilcoursey 1826 Kilbride [Offaly] King's NAI
Cowan, John Kilcoursey 1826 Kilbride [Offaly] King's NAI
Cowan, John Kilcoursey 1826 Kilbride [Offaly] King's NAI
Cowan, John Ballicknahee 1830 Kilcorkey Roscommon NAI
Cowan, John Esker 1824 Youghalarra Tipperary NAI
Cowan, John Tl: Tannagh Yr : 1825 Aghaloo Tyrone IGH
Cowan, John Tl: Tannagh Yr : 1837 Aghaloo Tyrone IGH
Cowan, Jno. T: Barny Cross Y: 1825 Desertcreat Tyrone IGH
Cowan, John Tl:Craghan Yr: 1829 Magheracross Tyrone IGH
Cowan, Jno. Tl: Aughnacloy Yr: 1827 Carnteel Tyrone & Fermangh IGH
Cowan, John Ballyvalden 1833 Ballyvaldon Wexford NAI
Cowan, John Ballyvalden 1833 Ballyvaldon Wexford NAI
The only other suggestion is to check all further census in England in case he visits a last time or son manages to add in place in ireland where he was born on his original entry before enumerator would have reduced it to ireland
good luck
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Wexford ?
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01n0t/
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1833
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01n0u/
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Griffiths also has him as Cowman as does the house books
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01n0w/
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/
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Thank you BallyaltikilliganG. I have certainly got more to work on now. The mention in your post of a Felix and Margaret is interesting as my James had two children by those names, and they do tend to be repeated within families.
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Thank you dathai also for the information.
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thank you dathai, the Cowman variation doesnt appear in the 6 counties tithes indicies by the irish genealogy. Hub variants found on ros davies co down include COEN & CONE.
good luck michaelcharles onwards
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Just out of Interest - I have Cowan's in my tree - Bridget Cowan who married Dennis O'Higgins on 1 March 1834 in Drumgooland upper, Co Down
One of the witnesses on the marriage record is a Mary Cowan.
She died in Ballymagreehan in 1896 aged 88.
Her children scattered across the UK - son Matthew in Liverpool, son John in Cumberland, Son Dennis in Ayr, Scotland possibly a daughter Rose in Canada.
I have a DNA test on Ancestry and Gedmatch if anyone thinks they might be connected!