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Title: Cowen Family
Post by: michaelcharles on Monday 05 November 18 17:08 GMT (UK)
Looking for any information on origins James Cowen b. circa 1814 in Ireland. He was married in Liverpool in 1842 and was living in Tipton, Staffs., in 1851, where he was visited by a John Cowen, born circa 1801, in Ireland.
Title: Re: Cowen Family
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 05 November 18 19:03 GMT (UK)
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He was married in Liverpool in 1842

What was his fathers name on the marriage cert?   Freebmd has surname as Cowan on marriage and www.lancashirebmdorg.uk have it as Corran!!

It looks as though it took place in a Catholic church
Title: Re: Cowen Family
Post by: heywood on Monday 05 November 18 19:19 GMT (UK)
Carole,

James Cowan, Father Phillip Cowan, married Ellen Broadbent 1842 St Peter's Priory.

Heywood
Title: Re: Cowen Family
Post by: heywood on Monday 05 November 18 19:26 GMT (UK)
In 1851 2029/106/41
 James Cowen is a Soap Cutter.

Possibility here
1841 562/7/7
Peterís Place Liverpool
There is a James Cowan, 25 yrs Soap Boiler b Ireland

There are others though. Have you checked them , Michael?
Title: Re: Cowen Family
Post by: michaelcharles on Tuesday 06 November 18 15:33 GMT (UK)
Thanks for the replies. This is definitely our man. I knew who he married, but not his father;s name. i am really interested to know from where in Ireland he originated. Cheers.
Title: Re: Cowen Family
Post by: heywood on Tuesday 06 November 18 16:00 GMT (UK)
It would seem unlikely that you can go back further.
There is no indication other than Ireland. You need a county and parish really.
Title: Re: Cowen Family
Post by: BallyaltikilliganG on Monday 12 November 18 22:19 GMT (UK)
sometimes flukes or red herrings happen
by chance I found a family that had two John Cowan options of interest in Co Down see http://www.rosdavies.com/SURNAMES/C/Cowan.htm
John COWAN Drumgooland   of Ballymagreehan ; signed a leased dated 20 Apr 1818 with the Annesley Estate for 14 acres for an annual rent of £ 14 and held for the lives of John, Patrick & James Cowan (sons) ; rent paid 1835-1843; lessee died     AERL p129

another entry shows John   COAN    Drumgooland farmed in Ballymagreehan [townland]
in 1803   LDR

the lessee means to me that John the father died probably 1843
a john Cowan was renting a farm in 1863 map ref 64 he had 12 acres and a house valued at ten shillingspa  in Griffiths valuation, http://griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/gv4/z/zoomifyDynamicViewer.php?file=079134&path=./pix/079/&rs=25&showpage=1&mysession=2624586565924&width=&height=
nearby is a Felix and also a Margaret Cowan, but no sign of a Patrick or James.

One might imagine the eldest son ie brother John visiting  his youngest brother in. Tipton Staffs

church records at PRONI Belfast
 include
R.C. Drumgooland Lower (Dromore diocese)
Baptisms, marriages and deaths, 1832≠ 81.
R.C. Drumgooland Upper (Dromore diocese)
Baptisms and marriages, 1827-80; deaths, 1828-81.with the dates starting too late assuming the family was originally catholic

do you think its worth following it up
i didnt check if the family line is still there later

good luck whatever
Title: Re: Cowen Family
Post by: heywood on Monday 12 November 18 22:26 GMT (UK)
James father was Phillip according to the marriage certificate.
Title: Re: Cowen Family
Post by: BallyaltikilliganG on Tuesday 13 November 18 08:46 GMT (UK)
Thank you 'Heywood', so thats a red herring for sure.  Nevertheless here are 54 possible John Cowan to overview the problems facing "michaelcharles'  this list is a combination of two sources harnessing the only other census substititute The Tithe Applotment Books, wnich are deemed incomplete,biased, etc etc  But they exist in simple one liner entries giving the tenants name location and quality of land in irish avres. Like current Ireland the records have been divided, and this list combines the 6 NI county parishes with the 26 county parishes.
the result is 54 locations for John Cowan. Your John Cowan might be among them

abbreviations used
IGH = Irish Genealogy Hub. They http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/ have thankfully indexed by parish the names in NI parishes, which in turn has been indexed by me, both with errors. The original books being in PRONI Belfast.
NAI= National Archives Of Ireland.Dublin They http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/home.jsp have the index lists and the further wording of the original entry.
The list is arranged by county, then townland

Cowan, John   Townland: Bellahill Year: 1833      Kilroots   Antrim   IGH
Cowan, John   Townland: Ballinacard Year: 1825      Skerry   Antrim   IGH
Cowan, Jno.   Townland: Rathcavan and Tullog Year: 1825      Skerry   Antrim   IGH
Cowan, Jno.   Townland: Carrenbrock Year: 1833      Templecorran   Antrim   IGH
Cowan, John    Townland : Marmacullen Year : 1830      Ballymore   Armagh   IGH
Cowan, John    Townland : Corliss Year : 1828      Creggan   Armagh   IGH
Cowan, John   Carlifs   1827   Creggan   Armagh   NAI
Cowan, John   Corliss   1827   Creggan   Armagh   NAI
Cowan, John    Townland: Dunlarge Year: 1825      Keady   Armagh   IGH
Cowan, John   Townland: Drumhillary Year: 1827      Tynan   Armagh   IGH
Cowan, John   Drumboe   1826   Annagelliff   Cavan   NAI
Cowan, John[Jno]   Ballintemple   1828   Ballintemple   Cavan   NAI
Cowan, John   Townland : Cloughole Year: 1835      Faughanvale   Derry   IGH
Cowan, John   Townland : Greenan Lower Year: 1835      Faughanvale   Derry   IGH
Cowan, John   Townland : Greenan Upper Year: 1835      Faughanvale   Derry   IGH
Cowan, John   Ramelton   1834   Aughnish   Donegal   NAI
Cowan, John   Ramelton   1834   Aughnish   Donegal   NAI
Cowan, John   Cloughfin   1826   Taughboyne   Donegal   NAI
Cowan, John   Tonagh   1826   Taughboyne   Donegal   NAI
Cowan, John   Townland: Ballygorianbeg Year: 1834       Clonduff   Down   IGH
Cowan, John   Townland: Tammary Year: 1834       Clonduff   Down   IGH
Cowan, John   Townland: Meenon Year: 1828      Aghaderg   Down   IGH
Cowan, John   Townland: Portaferry Gardens Year: 1827      Ballyphilip   Down   IGH
Cowan, Jno.   Townland: Ballymacrattymore Year: 1829      Donaghmore   Down   IGH
Cowan, John   Ballymageraghty   1828   Drumgooland   Down   NAI
Cowan, John   Townland: Ballymagenahy Year: 1829      Drumgooland   Down   IGH
Cowan, John   Townland: Slievenalargy Year: 1829      Kilcoo   Down   IGH
Cowan, John   Townland: Ballylough Year: 1829      Killmegan   Down   IGH
Cowan, John   Townland: Ballydown Year: 1828      Seapatrick   Down   IGH
Cowan, John   Townland: Ballymagenahy Year: 1828      Seapatrick   Down   IGH
Cowan, John   Townland: Tullyeare Year: 1828      Seapatrick   Down   IGH
Cowan, John   Tl:Craghan Yr: 1829      Magheracross   Fermanagh   IGH
Cowan, Jno.   Tl: Aughnacloy Yr: 1827      Carnteel   Fermanagh & Tyrone   IGH
Cowan, John   Drumkeelan   1833   Kiltubbrid   Leitrim   NAI
Cowan, John   Carra   1833   Granard   Longford   NAI
Cowan, John   Charlestown Mill Holding   1825   Kilbride   Meath   NAI
Cowan, John   Kilcoursey   1825   Kilbride   Meath   NAI
Cowan, John   Kilcoursey   1825   Kilbride   Meath   NAI
Cowan, John   Kilcoursey Sub Highgate   1825   Kilbride   Meath   NAI
Cowan, John   Charles Town   1826   Kilbride   [Offaly] King's   NAI
Cowan, John   Kilcoursey   1826   Kilbride   [Offaly] King's   NAI
Cowan, John   Kilcoursey   1826   Kilbride   [Offaly] King's   NAI
Cowan, John   Kilcoursey   1826   Kilbride   [Offaly] King's   NAI
Cowan, John   Kilcoursey   1826   Kilbride   [Offaly] King's   NAI
Cowan, John   Kilcoursey   1826   Kilbride   [Offaly] King's   NAI
Cowan, John   Ballicknahee   1830   Kilcorkey   Roscommon   NAI
Cowan, John   Esker   1824   Youghalarra   Tipperary   NAI
Cowan, John   Tl: Tannagh Yr : 1825      Aghaloo   Tyrone   IGH
Cowan, John   Tl: Tannagh Yr : 1837      Aghaloo   Tyrone   IGH
Cowan, Jno.   T: Barny Cross Y: 1825      Desertcreat   Tyrone   IGH
Cowan, John   Tl:Craghan Yr: 1829      Magheracross    Tyrone   IGH
Cowan, Jno.   Tl: Aughnacloy Yr: 1827      Carnteel   Tyrone & Fermangh   IGH
Cowan, John   Ballyvalden   1833   Ballyvaldon   Wexford   NAI
Cowan, John   Ballyvalden   1833   Ballyvaldon   Wexford   NAI
The only other suggestion is to check all further census in England in case he visits a last time or son manages to add in place in ireland where he was born on his original entry before enumerator would have reduced it to ireland
good luck
Title: Re: Cowen Family
Post by: dathai on Tuesday 13 November 18 11:07 GMT (UK)
Wexford ?
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01n0t/
Title: Re: Cowen Family
Post by: dathai on Tuesday 13 November 18 11:13 GMT (UK)
1833
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01n0u/
Title: Re: Cowen Family
Post by: dathai on Tuesday 13 November 18 11:54 GMT (UK)
Griffiths also has him as Cowman as does the house books
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01n0w/

http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/
Title: Re: Cowen Family
Post by: michaelcharles on Tuesday 13 November 18 15:19 GMT (UK)
Thank you BallyaltikilliganG. I have certainly got more to work on now. The mention in your post of a Felix and Margaret is interesting as my James had two children by those names, and they do tend to be repeated within families.
Title: Re: Cowen Family
Post by: michaelcharles on Tuesday 13 November 18 15:20 GMT (UK)
Thank you dathai also for the information.
Title: Re: Cowen Family
Post by: BallyaltikilliganG on Wednesday 21 November 18 08:25 GMT (UK)
thank you dathai, the Cowman variation doesnt appear in the 6 counties tithes indicies by the irish genealogy.  Hub variants found on ros davies co down include COEN & CONE.
good luck michaelcharles onwards
Title: Re: Cowen Family
Post by: Cwellan CoDown on Wednesday 21 November 18 16:55 GMT (UK)
Just out of Interest - I have Cowan's in my tree - Bridget Cowan who married Dennis O'Higgins on 1 March 1834 in Drumgooland upper, Co Down

One of the witnesses on the marriage record is a Mary Cowan.

She died in Ballymagreehan in 1896 aged 88.

Her children scattered across the UK - son Matthew in Liverpool, son John in Cumberland, Son Dennis in Ayr, Scotland possibly a daughter Rose in Canada.

I have a DNA test on Ancestry and Gedmatch if anyone thinks they might be connected!