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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: hol on Monday 05 November 18 22:51 GMT (UK)
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Hello
Thomas Beck was christened 21st of May 1815 to Nancy Beck spinster St Mary Ulverston. By 1836 he was in Horwich nr Bolton where he married patience Greenhalgh(Horwich came under Dean at the time). I dont know who his father was and probably never will but would like to know more about Nancy.
Could any of you people find me a possible Nancy. I have tried all free resources i know .
Thanks Lee
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There is a Nancy BECK baptised at St Mary Ulverston 17 March 1794, daughter of Thomas (a labourer). A Possibility? (from Lancs opc)
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Other children baptised at Ulverston to Thomas (labourer) are:
John 6 Nov 1785
Peggy 29 Aug 1790
There is also a Mary baptised 23 Sept 1787, however the father Thomas is an innkeeper, so not sure if it is the same family, although I can't see any other baptisms for Thomas the innkeeper (if that makes sense!)
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Thank you Maddys52, i had wondered about the 1787 Nancy. Didnt see the other children though so can now see if i can find on familysearch.
Lee
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Nancy Beck and Ratcliffe Wrigley a widow,
married Walton Le Dale,1828
Nancy's death is also Walton Le Dale aged 45 years,in 1838
just a possible Nancy Beck from Ulverston
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Thank you Radcliff, will look into that, not resubscribing on websites until the end of the month so using free sites for now so a bit difficult
Lee
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quite interestng as they name their daughter Nancy,as in Patience and Thomas Beck I mean
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there are indeed two Thomas Beck's in Ulverston I suspect yours is the one married to Agnes Woodburn in 1790 not the earlier one ,exceptng this entry
Liverpool St nicholas,
18th Feb 1794
Mary Beck daughter of Thomas and Agnes formerley Woodburn
parents married Ulverstone
father is a shipwright,
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I see that Thomas BECK, innkeeper of Ulverston, was buried 11 March 1787, so not the Thomas (labourer) who was the father of Nancy.
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Hello Maddys52 and Radcliff. The Nancy who marries Mr Wrigley looks like a possibility,for some reason Thomas ended up in Horwich so must have Travelled south with his parent.
Lee
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Just looking at your Thomas BECK in the 1871 census - have you traced the nephew Richard BECK? Is he the son of a sibling of Thomas, if so are there any details about his parentage? Will have a quick look now, though I'll have more time later to follow it up. ;)
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hello Maddy52
I have never looked into Richard Beck and to be honest i have never noticed that he is down as a nephew.it would seem that Nancy could have had more children.
Thank you Lee
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I have had a look on GRO site and lanc opc and cant find Richards birth in Bolton District or nearby.sure he will turn up somewhere
Lee
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Yes, it's never easy is it!
Can't see a Richard BECK born c1855, Horwich in any other census, or a likely baptism. There is a birth registration for Richard BECK in Mar qtr 1852 at Bolton (mother's maiden name SANDON), though I suspect he died in Sept qtr 1853.
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Possibly he isn't a Beck,
Ainsworth
Christ Church
9th May 1885
Richard Greenhalgh, aged 31,collier,bachelor of Ainsworth
Ann Kershaw,aged 23 years a spinster,winder of Ainsworth
No father recorded for Groom
Brides father John Kershae,labourer
witness to marriage,Nancy Greenhalgh and Walter Thomas,
there is a Nancy and Richard both baptised as children after private baptisms as babies they are the children of Thomas and Betty
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HelloRadcliffe.
I have been looking into Ratcliffe Wrigley. He married a Nancy Beck in 1828 who we know died 1838.
I followed who i think is the correct Ratcliffe Wrigley born 1880 who is in a workhouse in Blackburn in 1841.
I cant find him in 1851 but on Lanc opc it shows he died 1856 in Workhouse.
As Maddy found a Nephew Richard with Thomas Beck in 1871 i thought i would try Wrigleys with Becks in household.
I found in 1871 a Mary Ann Beck b1864 with a James Wrigley in Clitheroe
There was also a Beck nephew in the Household of Thomas Wrigley.also in Clitheroe in 1881
Traced the Thomas Wrigley back through census and his father is a Ratcliffe born 1794 .
Cant find any other Wrigley/ beck marriages.
Lee
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Doh!,
I see what you are saying maybe he was a Greenhalgh from Patiences side of family .
I will look at that
Thanks
I have just traced Richard Greenhalgh b1855 he is in Ainsworth with Thomas and Betty on 1861
Betty is a widow on 1871 he is still there.
Coincidence is next door neighbour is a Squire Greenhalgh same name as witness on Thomas and Patience marriage.
Lee
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bit of a tangled web to unravel but am sure in time you will
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I doubt that very much but i keep on trying
Lee
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Hi Lee
Thanks to you and others who have kindly contributed, I think together you've managed to open a 'dead-end' with Thomas Beck b.1815 in Ulveston by identifying Nancy Beck as his likely mother and very possibly her parents too. Well done! Myself and others have been unable to go further back than Thomas until now. His naming a daughter Nancy is obviously a big clue as are the parents of Nancy being a Thomas and Agnes. Agnes is a name that was regularly changed to Nancy so I've just discovered so this may increase the possibility further.
The marriage of Nancy Beck to Ratcliff Wrigley is also new to us and the latter Wrigley / Beck census connections are worth exploring. As is the likely 1871 Richard 'Beck' (Greenhalgh nephew) and I will look into this when I subscribe to Ancestry shortly.
In terms of Patience Greenhalgh's parents and also the Squire Greenhalgh witness connection, there seems to be a gap in the St.Mary The Virgin (Deane, Bolton) Baptismal Records for 1813-1821 when I suspect either Patience or Squire may have been baptised. It would be useful to know if these records simply no longer exist or if they have not yet been transcribed are unreadable? Any help that anyone can offer on that mystery would be great?
Unfortunately to complicate matters the combination of names; Squire and Greenhalgh seems to be very popular within the Greenhalgh family locally according to a general Lancs OPC search, so it is not quite as unique as it might sound. So it's not immediately obvious whether this Squire is a sibling, parent or even a cousin or uncle of Patience at this stage. But interestingly this record of their apparent first born son gives an indication of its importance perhaps and where we should be looking (squire!):
Baptism: 15 Apr 1838 Horwich Chapel, Horwich, Lancashire, England
Squire Beck - Son of Thomas Beck & Patience
Abode: Horwich
Occupation: Cotton Spinner
Baptised by: David Hewitt, Minister
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1841, Page 169, Entry 1351
Source: LDS Film 2113121
Going back further I've also spotted a Thomas and Charity Greenhalgh married in the parish around 1815 and they may have a connection in naming a daughter like the mother after one of the virtues; Patience. Tenuous link I know but perhaps one we might not want to discount at this stage. Albeit the name Greenhalgh is pretty much ramified in the area.
Marriage: 30 May 1815 St Mary the Virgin, Deane, Lancashire, England
Thos. Greenhalgh - Bachelor, this Parish [Deane]
Charity Kirkman - (X), Spinster, this Parish [Deane]
Witness: A. Boardman; Laurence Fisher
Married by Banns by: R Latham A.M. Vicar.
Register: Marriages 1813 - 1818, Entry 59
Source: Manchester Archives microfilm
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Hello JonnyM
People are very helpful on here and have raised some possibilities.
I am not too sure about Thomas and Agnes Woodburn being Nancys parents as this couple had a daughter born in January 1794 in Liverpool a month before Nancy was baptised at Ulverston.
It would also discount the other baptisms for Peggy 1790 and John 1785 and the possible Mary b1787.
Lanc opc gives a burial Ulverston for Thomas Beck master mariner in February 1796.
Lee
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Re gap in St. Mary the Virgin, Deane records.
I don't know when the printed list of registers held by Lancashire Archives was updated. It may be worth ferreting in the online catalogue or it may not.
What about Bolton Library archives?
I wonder if anyone in either of these 2 societies may know if there were registers for those years:
Lancashire Parish Register Society
www.lprs.org.uk/publications
Lancashire Family History & Heraldry Society
www.lfhhs.org/home.php
Manchester & Lancashire Family History Society has a Bolton branch.