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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => US Lookup Requests => Topic started by: ScouseRicey on Thursday 08 November 18 12:42 GMT (UK)
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I've been trying to find this fellow for years. Born in Liverpool, England in 1870.......disappears off the records after 1881. Family folklore says that someone went to Arizona. Someone died over there in the 1950's. Any help, please?
I notice that there is a Thomas Herbert Rice in Canada?
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Connected US related posts to prevent duplication of info
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=105698.msg6613403#msg6613403
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=82597.msg345737#msg345737
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=542051.msg3957169#msg3957169
There are a number of other posts but they are for English traces
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There have been many records added to Family Search since your first request in 2005 - have you ever found anything positive on Thomas - immigration record etc ???
Parents are listed on one of these links as :- Charles and Elizabeth (Charles Rice and Elizabeth Miller)
You mention on another thread that Uncle William Rice went to the USA around 1950 (to possibly tidy up some affairs) - have you traced this William Rice on passenger lists ? When was this William Rice born and to whom ?
I did check a William James Rice born 11/10/1910 to Charles Percival Rice and Amy Huxley but could not see a passenger list entry around 1950 ??? Charles and Amy married 26 December 1901 (Thomas was not a witness at the marriage)
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/174545105
Nothing listed on Arizona deaths
http://genealogy.az.gov/
Have you traced all the other siblings ?
Were there any other family members in the USA ???
Sandra
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There have been many records added to Family Search since your first request in 2005 - have you ever found anything positive on Thomas - immigration record etc ???
Parents are listed on one of these links as :- Charles and Elizabeth (Charles Rice and Elizabeth Miller)
You mention on another thread that Uncle William Rice went to the USA around 1950 (to possibly tidy up some affairs) - have you traced this William Rice on passenger lists ? When was this William Rice born and to whom ?
I did check a William James Rice born 11/10/1910 to Charles Percival Rice and Amy Huxley but could not see a passenger list entry around 1950 ??? Charles and Amy married 26 December 1901 (Thomas was not a witness at the marriage)
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/174545105
Nothing listed on Arizona deaths
http://genealogy.az.gov/
Have you traced all the other siblings ?
Were there any other family members in the USA ???
Sandra
Hi Sandra,
Many thanks for your research.
After 1881, he disappears off the face of the earth.
He was born on the 28/11/1870. He had 1 brother (Charles Percival Rice- my great grandfather) and 2 sisters.
Legend has it that an ancestor went to Arizona and in fact Charles Percival's son, William, went out there in July 1954, to tidy some affairs up, after reportedly seeing a notice in the Liverpool Echo. I have seen him mentioned as a passenger. I can find nothing.
Again, many thanks.
Colin
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Really need to give more information in your original posts, it all helps the search.
Is this the William J Rice listed on a New York Passenger List arriving 10 July 1954 - Liverpool to New York - Brittanic - going to 2816 South Harvard Tulsa Oklahoma. ???
Sandra
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Really need to give more information in your original posts, it all helps the search.
Is this the William J Rice listed on a New York Passenger List arriving 10 July 1954 - Liverpool to New York - Brittanic - going to 2816 South Harvard Tulsa Oklahoma. ???
Sandra
Sorry. That's the one. I didn't see that he was going to Oklahoma? Does it say that on the passenger list?
Thanks,
Colin
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It could only be family knowledge that would positively identify this as your William J Rice because there is no age, home address or any other clue on the image on ancestry.
Sandra
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On my copy it does mention age and address, but says nothing about Oklahoma?
Kind regards,
Colin
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Where was your copy from - ?
Sandra
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From ancestry.co.uk......but it says nothing about Oklahoma?
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Very strange... I can't attach a copy here but if you look on this link - you will see what info it gives
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=803353.new#new
Sandra
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Hi Sandra,
I was trying to upload a copy of it, but then realised that it doesn't allow me to. That is very useful that Oklahoma information. Thank-you very much. I have just located both of his daughters who are still alive, and feel a little letter may be in order. Maybe they can remember what their Dad told them about his trip to the States; one would have been about 19 at the time and one about 15.
I always feel uneasy about contacting people, but nothing ventured eh?
Many thanks once again for your time and advice. It is very much appreciated.
Kind regards,
Colin
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Very interesting. If you send me a personal message with a few details, more than happy to have a look and see what information there might be.
Sandra
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If you go to the little symbol on the right hand side of the ancestry image - it shows print, download, option to rotate etc.,
Sandra
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I did find your list under the UK outward passenger lists which ancestry wasn't showing me until I went to the card catalogue and looked it up under UK outward ::)
Number of times I had 404 file not available cropping up today was crazy............. :-\
Notice country of intended future residence was USA ???
8 Patterdale Road. Liverpool was significant - lived there in 1939
Sandra
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I didn't think he intended to stay there. I think he saw out his days at Patterdale Road, Liverpool.
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I noticed in one of your posts that you mentioned William went to the USA after reportedly reading a notice in the Liverpool Echo. I was wondering if you have tried to find said notice? It would surely be a needle in a haystack type of search but might be well worth the hunt.
The national probate callendar indicates William was living at the Patterdale address when he died.
PB
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I noticed in one of your posts that you mentioned William went to the USA after reportedly reading a notice in the Liverpool Echo. I was wondering if you have tried to find said notice? It would surely be a needle in a haystack type of search but might be well worth the hunt.
The national probate callendar indicates William was living at the Patterdale address when he died.
PB
Many thanks for the reply. I've hunted through the 'Newspaper Archives' and can't see it. I wrote to William's daughter, and had a lovely reply today. Unfortunately, she just knows that her father stayed with a family called Rice; she can't recall if they were related or not.
Many thanks, again.
Colin
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I find it hard to imagine William going all that way without a good reason for doing so. If he stayed with a Rice family, I suspect there is some possibility they were related. But finding them will probably be another needle in a haystack hunt.
Have you tried looking for a newspaper obit in the area of death or tried to contact the cemetery for any other info they may hold? Perhaps info about anyone in the same grave or cemetery?
Grasping at straws here but one never knows what might turn up.
PB
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I find it hard to imagine William going all that way without a good reason for doing so. If he stayed with a Rice family, I suspect there is some possibility they were related. But finding them will probably be another needle in a haystack hunt.
Have you tried looking for a newspaper obit in the area of death or tried to contact the cemetery for any other info they may hold? Perhaps info about anyone in the same grave or cemetery?
Grasping at straws here but one never knows what might turn up.
PB
Thanks for the advice. Much appreciated.
Kind regards,
Colin
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You're welcome :)
Looking sideways.....
Do you know if any other family members may have gone to America? Cousin to Thomas? Another Rice rellie?
Grasping at more straws.
I'm not sure when the 1950 US census is to be released but I think relatively soon. It may help.
Also, I haven't gone back through to look again but did the grave record have a date or just year? The cemetery might be of help with an actual date if not.
PB
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You're welcome :)
Looking sideways.....
Do you know if any other family members may have gone to America? Cousin to Thomas? Another Rice rellie?
Grasping at more straws.
I'm not sure when the 1950 US census is to be released but I think relatively soon. It may help.
Also, I haven't gone back through to look again but did the grave record have a date or just year? The cemetery might be of help with an actual date if not.
PB
Not that I know of. I'll look into the 1950 census. It just had the date, but maybe a different person. I may well email the cemetery.
Many thanks, again.
Colin
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72 year rule - I think 1950 census will be due for release in April 1922 -
Sandra
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Thanks, Sandra
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Having done some more poking around....
Unfortunately, I think I have to agree with *Sandra*'s findings on your most recent thread. It looks like "Chelsea" Thomas was born in Ohio, had a wife Emma, etc.
All the same, I think I would still contact the cemetery in Chelsea.
PB
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Having done some more poking around....
Unfortunately, I think I have to agree with *Sandra*'s findings on your most recent thread. It looks like "Chelsea" Thomas was born in Ohio, had a wife Emma, etc.
All the same, I think I would still contact the cemetery in Chelsea.
PB
I agree with you, but he must be somewhere, and the name and location add up. :)
Many thanks for your time.
Colin
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WW1 Draft - Tom Hubert Rice born 22 March 1876 - Rogers County Oklahoma. Native Born.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KZDT-D23
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GYTH-NQN?i=1616&cc=1968530
Sandra
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Yes, he certainly is enticing, and I think you should look under all the proverbial stones related to him. IMHO it would be just as important to rule him out.
PB
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Yes, he certainly is enticing, and I think you should look under all the proverbial stones related to him. IMHO it would be just as important to rule him out.
PB
Thanks. I will try and rule him in or out.