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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Monmouthshire => Topic started by: paulsue38 on Thursday 08 November 18 14:09 GMT (UK)
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I am looking for more information about my 3rd Great-grandfather Evan Evans. He places Carno as place of birth on the census. I estimate his DOB as 1786 and he may have died in 1866. His spouse was Ann Jones born Llanbrynmair. Ann's DOB varies from 1791 - 1796 and may have died in 1861. The family were hand loom weavers. They seemed to live in Bont Dolgadfan were the children were baptised. The children were called William, Evan (my 2nd GG) John, Ann and Mary.
Any information gratefully received.
Best wishes
Paul
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Did you meant to post this in Monmouthshire? I think Merionethshire might be better
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is this the family?
1851 Glanynant, Llanbrynmair, Montgomeryshire HO107/2495 folio 476 pg 13
Evan Evans head mar 67 handloom weaver b. Carno
Anne wife 60
William son 29 handloom weaver
John son 24 handloom weaver
Mary dau 21 handloom weaver
Anne dau 18 dressmaker
all born Llanbrynmair apart from Evan
1861 Wern, Llanbrynmair RG9/4742 folio 113 pg 7
Evan Evans head widower 75 wool weaver b. Carno
John son 33 ag lab
Anne dau 28 dressmaker
Mary dau 31 wool weaver
John Watkin grandson 6
Mary Watkin granddaughter 3
all born Llanbrynmair apart from Evan
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Many thanks for the replies. Not too sure with all the boundary changes were to post! I recently sent census material to the Dolgelly record office concerning this only to be told it should of gone to Llandrindod Wells!
Osprey yes this is the family. The task now is to try and take the tree back further. When were Evan and Anne married and who were there parents? Family trees on Ancestry and My Heritage not really picking them up so I have really hit a wall. I am picking up some DNA in America so were they part of that mass migration from this area?
Best wishes
Paul
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pretty sure there wasn't ever a boundary between Monmouthshire in south east Wales with Montgomeryshire. Breconshire & Radnorshire are in between.
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal
and parish map
http://www.montgomeryshiregs.org.uk/index.php/montgomeryshire/galleries/parish-map/mgs-parish-map-of-montgomeryshire-295
If you don't have their marriage, how do you know Anne's surname? OK, just found the non-conformist baptisms in Bont Dolgadfan Independent which gives her surname.
There's a possible marriage in Llanbrynmair 2 May 1812 for Evan Evans bachelor of Carno and Anne Jones spinster of Llanbrynmair, both mark. Witnesses were Gwillim Howell & Athelstan Owen. Mr Owen witnessed all 6 marriages on the double page I looked at and may have been the parish clerk.
If that is the marriage, you would expect more children before Elizabeth's baptism in 1818. But they could be in a different church whose records haven't survived/aren't online.
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The marriage does look a strong possibility given it took place in Anne's birth place. However, as you say the gap to the first child is perhaps unusual. Is it possible that Evan was at the Napoleonic wars?
Best wishes
Paul
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unlikely. There still should have been children between 1815 & 1818. More likely that the baptisms are not online.
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As an update I have just found this which would make more sense
Anne Jones
Wales, Montgomeryshire, Parish Registers, 1538-1912
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Name:
Evan Evans
Event Type:
Marriage Banns
Event Date:
18 Mar 1820
Event Place:
Carno, Montgomeryshire, Wales
Spouse's Name:
Anne Jones
The challenge now is to try and discover the parents of both Evan and Ann.
Best wishes
Paul
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on that marriage Evan was of Llanwnog and Anne of Carno, both marked, witnesses Richard Jones & John Thomas, the latter possibly the parish clerk as he witnessed several marriages on the page.
That doesn't account for the baptism 24/8/1818 at Bontdolgadfan of Elizabeth Evans daughter of Evan & Ann formerly Jones, father a weaver, residence Porthybi (?), Llanbrynmair
Residence on baptism of Evan noted as Cil Haul, on William's as Belan, and on the other's as Wern/Werngerhynt. Scans of the register can be accessed on Ancestry in the Non-Parochial and Non-Conformist registers.
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As an update to this thread I have received some information from the records office suggesting that - the parents of -
Evan Evans sr b Carno 1786 could of been Evan Arthur (Occ: Weaver) and Catherine Daniel. Information found in in the parish of Machynlleth.
Ann Jones parents could be William Jones and Ann Owen. Ann could of been born 21st Jan 1789 and baptised in Bont Dolgodfan.
If anyone can confirm any of these details I will be very grateful.
Best wishes
Paul
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that baptism is in the parish church of Llanbrynmair 25 Jan 1789, abode abbreviated to Dol. (Dolfach?) There is also an Ann dau of Benjamin & Ann Jones bp 10 July 1791, abode Dol.
But isn't it more likely that she was baptised in a non-conformist church like her children? There is a baptism of an Ann Jones 21 Mar 1791 dau of Robert & Mary abode Caeangleision (?) at Llanbrynmair Old Chapel (Congregationalist)
There's a baptism in Carno 7 July 1783 for Evan son of Morris Evan, labourer, & Anne.
Evan son of Edward Evan & Catherine bp 17 Dec 1786.
Evan son of Edward Evan, labourer, & Anne bp 11 March 1787 possible burial for Edward 21 Feb that year.
Morris Evans of Llanwnnog married Anne Price of Carno 9 Feb 1783 in Carno
Edward Evans & Catherine Davies both of Carno married 25 Aug 1779 in Carno
Edward Evan & Anne Evan both of Carno married 9 Sep 1786 in Carno
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Good morning, thanks for taking the trouble to give a detailed reply. I was hoping that the records office would provide a breakthrough but it seems that the search for this family remains problematical. Evan sr consistently places Carno as place of birth I am reading too much into this?
Best wishes
Paul
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as that is what is stated on 2 census entries and you have no other clues, it seems sensible to go with Carno. Machynlleth is over 13 miles away (according to Genuki) so why go with that other than the father has the same occupation?
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Hi Everyone
I have been researching our house Plas Llysyn, in Carno.
It seems the house was rebuilt around 1822.. Previous house being Perthincws.
These names have being showing up in Google. Perthincws could be where they were from?