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Title: Harrison
Post by: Jocelyn Bernier on Thursday 08 November 18 20:59 GMT (UK)
Hi,

I am from Quebec - Canada and I am looking for some genealogy information on Harrison families.

I doing this work as a gift for one of my friend which never knew her origin. Since I can't travel to the Isle of Man, i would like to be able to discuss with someone who could help me.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Harrison
Post by: KGarrad on Thursday 08 November 18 21:18 GMT (UK)
Welcome to RootsChat! ;D

You are going to have to be a little more specific ;D

ManxBMD.com has 522 Harrison births recorded since 1863.
Compulsory Registration of Births began in 1878; so you are going to have to rely on Parish Registers.

FamilySearch.org may prove useful - you need to register, but searches are free.
www.iMuseum.im may also help - use the People tab, and Advanced Search.
Another excellent site is the ManxNoteBook (http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook)

The Manx Museum Library offers a list of researchers (including me!).
I have already helped 2 Canadians :D
Title: Re: Harrison
Post by: Jocelyn Bernier on Thursday 08 November 18 21:45 GMT (UK)
Thank you for the answer.

I am already registered to FamilySearch and iMuseum  ;)

I got a lot of information but still trying to confirm the link from Quebec to Isle of Man.

The person I am trying to find details is :

Thomas Samuel Harrison 34 yold in 1921.

He arrived in Canada from Liverpool in 1913 from the Passenger List.
My researches directed to Mr. Henry Harrison and Elizabeth Kelly as his parents.
The age look the same but I am trying to figure if the one in the archives of Isle de Man : born on 13 March 1887 is the same that took the boat in 1913 from Liverpool  ;)

I am also looking for graves pictures of Henry Harrison death: 1905 and Elizabeth Harrison (Kelly) death: 1916

All this seems to be in Rushen.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Harrison
Post by: KGarrad on Thursday 08 November 18 21:59 GMT (UK)
ManxBMD has:
1887, Harrison, Thomas Samuel, Rushen

There is no other Thomas whose birth was registered within 10 years either side of 1887 that fits.

His baptism is on iMuseum:
https://www.imuseum.im/search/agent_record/view?id=mnh-agent-736017&type=agent&tab=people&from=0&term=&size=20&sort=&filter=&view=&images=&ttmgp=0&rfname=&rlname=&machine=&race=&raceyear=&linked=0&title=&firstname=Thomas&lastname=Harrison&dfrom=1886&dto=1888&gender=&nationality=&occupation=&parish=&church=&townvillage=&address=&subtype%5b%5d=Baptisms&century=&pos=0

Baptism 13th March 1887, parents Henry Nelson Harrison and Elizabeth (Kelly). Father a fisherman.

Grave photos I may be able to help with; but not for a week or two.
(I am very busy with a Car Rally this weekend!)
Title: Re: Harrison
Post by: KGarrad on Thursday 08 November 18 22:13 GMT (UK)
As Henry was a fisherman, he was likely absent from home on some censuses?

1891 census:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4B2H-93Z

1901 census:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X91J-M1L

1911 census:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7VQ-8C7

On the latest census Thomas was a Mason Builder - does that match with Canadian censuses?
Title: Re: Harrison
Post by: Jocelyn Bernier on Thursday 08 November 18 22:27 GMT (UK)
Yes that's why I figured it might be him.

In french they wrote 'Platrier' in census of 1921 in Montreal



Title: Re: Harrison
Post by: Christine53 on Friday 09 November 18 11:26 GMT (UK)
On the 1913 Passenger List for the Hesperia ( I'm assuming this is the one you mean ) ,
Samuel Harrison  born 1887 Isle of Man , plasterer , is travelling with Alfred Harrison b 1889 Isle of Man , also a plasterer.
Alfred Harrison is on the 1921 census in Montreal with wife Christie. I cannot post a link to the Library & Archives website as the record appears to be missing , although it is on ancestry.
Looking for Alfred in the Isle of Man I found -

John Alfred Harrison baptised 18 Nov 1888 Rushen , parents James Harrison and Margaret , nee Kelly. I think it's possible , or maybe likely , that James Harrison was the brother of Henry Harrison.

1871 census Rushen , Isle of Man

Ann Harrison 46 head
Henry Harrison 13
James Harrison 6
+ numerous others
RG10; Piece: 5778; Folio: 100; Page: 23

Edit : I've now found an ancestry tree which gives a date of death for (John) Alfred of
18 Apr 1944 Montreal
Title: Re: Harrison
Post by: Christine53 on Friday 09 November 18 13:53 GMT (UK)
Baptism for James Harrison born 1920 Quebec

James Keith Beatty Harrison , infant son of Thomas Samuel Harrison , plasterer, of the City and District of Montreal , and of his wife Mabel Ethelwyn , ( not sure of surname - could be Burrowes )
27 Feb 1919 Montreal , Quebec , Methodist.
Title: Re: Harrison
Post by: Christine53 on Friday 09 November 18 14:09 GMT (UK)
Mabel Ethelwyn Harrison ( formerly Borrowes ) of Montreal , wife of Samuel Harrison , plasterer,
died in the twenty ninth year of her age on 23 Sep 1923.


I realise you probably have this and other records but I am hoping that something may come to light by researching around the family.

Edit : I've found the marriage of Mabel Ethelwyn and Thomas Samuel. It confirms that he is the son of Henry Harrison and Elizabeth Kelly :

Thomas Samuel Harrison bachelor , of full age , plasterer of 265 Union Avenue , Montreal ,son of Henry Harrison and Elizabeth Kelly of the Isle of Man , and Mabel Ethelwin Borrowes , spinster of full age , daughter of the Late Robert Borrowes and Ophilia were married on the authority of license 25th February 1918 at Methodist St James , Montreal.
Title: Re: Harrison
Post by: Jocelyn Bernier on Friday 09 November 18 14:24 GMT (UK)
Wow

There are parts in your last 2 messages that I don't have.

That will help me a lot.

The only link I can't be sure is the one with the Samuel on the passenger list. At Isle of Man it is Thomas Samuel Harrison. In Montreal always wrote T S Harrison but on the passenger list it said only Samuel.

And for James I found a link with the Borrowes surname. In fact the two children of TS Harrison was James and Leslie (which is the father of my friend here). They have been raised by her Aunt, Mildred Borrowes ;-)

I am still at the beginning of my researches but this help me a lot.

In this family they all died very young so it doesn't help.

I am also looking to find some photos if I can. My friend would be hysteric ;-) They only have one photo of her father Leslie.

Do you know where I could get a photo of the graves of Henry and Elizabeth Harrisson in Rushen ?
Title: Re: Harrison
Post by: Christine53 on Friday 09 November 18 14:33 GMT (UK)
I can't help with the photographs I'm afraid. I had a quick look at the findagrave website but couldn't see anything there.

Just want to make sure you didn't miss my last post with the marriage , confirming you have the right person ? You may already have been typing when I posted it.
Title: Re: Harrison
Post by: Jocelyn Bernier on Friday 09 November 18 14:56 GMT (UK)
I understand. I also did some research for the grave.

I didn't miss your posts. I will have to dig further here but it looks like a good link.

I will try to investigate with the tool I have here and let you know ;-)

Which tools did you use to get all this ? It looks more accurate than the Family Search site !

Thank you very much for all your help
Title: Re: Harrison
Post by: Christine53 on Friday 09 November 18 15:21 GMT (UK)
The marriage , baptism and death records are from Quebec, Canada , Vital & Church Records ( Drouin Collection ) 1621 - 1968 which are on Ancestry with images from the registers. If you don't have a subscription you may be able to access Ancestry from your library ( this is certainly the case in England but I don't know about Quebec ). The passenger lists and census records are also on Ancestry but some may be available on the familysearch website too. The 1921 Canada census is not on familysearch but is freely available at http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/Pages/census.aspx ( however in this instance I couldn't find the record ! )

Do post again if you have other queries - there are lots of members who love a challenge ! If you want more on the Canadian side you can ask for this thread to be moved to the Canada board if you wish.

Christine

And a belated welcome to RootsChat , which I should have said at the beginning !
Title: Re: Harrison
Post by: Jocelyn Bernier on Friday 09 November 18 15:31 GMT (UK)
Thank you very much, I appreciate.

I might register to Ancestry. They do seems reliable and more complete.

For the grave I will try to find a contact at Isle of Man that could take pictures for me ;-)

Thank you again you are great help.
Title: Re: Harrison
Post by: Jocelyn Bernier on Friday 09 November 18 17:45 GMT (UK)
I just found a direct link to Thomas Samuel Harrison in Isle of Man and the one in the passenger list in 1913.

I found a newspaper article reporting the following ;-)
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On Monday evening last a highly successful social gathering was held at "Crofton "-the residence of Mr and Mrs Joseph McArd, to hid farewell to Messrs Alfred Harrison. Charles Kelly, and Samuel Harrison, all of whom purpose leaving the Island for Montreal, Canada, on. Tuesday next- As a small memento of their connection with the choir and other organisations of Port Erin Wesieyan Church, Mr Philip Cain, C.T.C (choir master), presented each of them, ' on behalf of the choir and a few friends, with handsomely bound copies oi the Methodist Tune Book, or Holy Bible, and the Rev- Charles E. Cook, and Messrs Joseph McArd and P. Cain testified to the appreciation of their work in the church and district, and wished them God-speed in their new country. Mr and Mrs Joseph McArd generously provided the tea and charmingly acted the part of host and hostess, the 40 or so guests present spending a most profitable and enjoyable evening.

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So now I can continue on that track. Thank you for your help.
Title: Re: Harrison
Post by: Christine53 on Friday 09 November 18 18:58 GMT (UK)
That's fantastic ! So pleased this is all coming together for you.

Christine
Title: Re: Harrison
Post by: Jocelyn Bernier on Friday 09 November 18 19:15 GMT (UK)
Thank you but this is more for my friend which never had any idea of her origin.

She now has shared feelings about all this. ;-)

She never knew her origin was British. She lost her father at 5 years old and her mother never told the story and didn't have any information when she also died.

Her sisters and brother didn't know all this also.

I am very happy to help her on this and hope to be able to give her a lot more information. Still working on it ;-)

That's a nice story...
Title: Re: Harrison
Post by: KGarrad on Saturday 10 November 18 06:34 GMT (UK)
If you have a little patience, I may be able to get photos of any gravestones.

As I said before, this weekend is really busy for me - manic, even!
I didn't get home until after midnight last night, and have to be before 8:30 this morning ;)
Besides which, yesterday was torrential rain - some rally stages were cancelled last night.

Let me know which graves, or persons, you are interested in, and I can check the burial registers and Monumental Inscriptions at the Manx Museum Library.
Title: Re: Harrison
Post by: Jocelyn Bernier on Saturday 10 November 18 14:21 GMT (UK)
That would be so nice. I never expected that.

 

I really appreciate. Take your time.

Sorry for my English. I'm a french Canadian.

The two graves I am looking for is :

Henry Harrison at age of 47 - Truggan Jan 11 1905 of Port Erin - Rushen. I supposed he is the one that died in a boat accident with the Wild Rose in dec 1904

Elizabeth Harrison (Kelly) - The Truggan July 3 1916 at age of 55 of Port Erin -  - Rushen.

Elizabeth was the widowed wife of Henry.

Let me know if you need more.

Thank you very much.
Title: Re: Harrison
Post by: Jocelyn Bernier on Wednesday 14 November 18 00:38 GMT (UK)
I just saw an article regarding this. They say that Henry is buried in the Rushen Churchyard it it can help.
Title: Re: Harrison
Post by: KGarrad on Wednesday 14 November 18 07:49 GMT (UK)
It's much easier than that! ;D

I visit the Library at the Manx Museum.
There I can look up the Burial Registers and the Monumental Inscriptions books.
Each entry in the MI books contains a grave reference - and most of the books have a map of the churchyard ;)

Harrison burials, with an address of Truggan:
Alice Catherine, age 26, 26 April 1920
Elizabeth, 55, 3 July 1916
Henry, 47, 11 January 1905
Tom Hudson, 2 months, 3 April 1899
Title: Re: Harrison
Post by: Jocelyn Bernier on Wednesday 14 November 18 14:33 GMT (UK)
Much easier in fact ;-)

Title: Re: Harrison
Post by: KGarrad on Wednesday 21 November 18 16:16 GMT (UK)
OK! The Manx Museum Library was open today (closed Sunday, Monday & Tuesday), so I managed to get something.

Kirk Rushen has 4 graveyards: the Old Yard, 1869 Yard, 1899 Yard and 1926 Yard.

Your people are buried in the 1869 Yard (West of the Vicarage Wall), grave reference E2.
The Monumental Inscription says:
In Affectionate Rembrance
of
Ann (Taubmann)
Wife of Henry Harrison of Port Erin
Who Died November 2ns 1874
Aged 50 Years
Also of the above named
Henry Harrison
Who died May 15th 1875
Aged 52 years
Also Samuel
Son of the above
Who died October 13th 1884
Aged 24 years
Also Henry
Son of the above who died January 9th 1905
Aged 47 years
Also Elizabeth, wife of the above
Henry Harrison
Who died June 30th 1916 aged 55 years
Also Catherine Alice
Daughter of the above
Born April 11th 1894
Died April 23rd 1920
Rest In Peace

Weather permitting, I will go to Port Erin tomorrow or Friday and take a photo (or 2!)
Title: Re: Harrison
Post by: Jocelyn Bernier on Wednesday 21 November 18 17:08 GMT (UK)
Very good news.

Thank you very much for your help.

I will wait impatiently.

In meantime I got some good results on my side. I found a cousin, which my friend didn't know she had. He is the only one still alive and they are now in relation by email because he live far from where we are.

They are both very happy and they are trying to answer some questions on their families.

Title: Re: Harrison
Post by: Jocelyn Bernier on Wednesday 21 November 18 19:15 GMT (UK)
I have another question for the experts.

What is the best way to find some old address (directories) at Isle of Man ?

In the information I found it is mentionned 'Truggan' as the address. I only found a road called 'Truggan' but doesn't seem to have a lot of houses on that street. Could 'Truggan' be another place ?
Title: Re: Harrison
Post by: KGarrad on Wednesday 21 November 18 20:02 GMT (UK)
Google will point you to Truggan Road (Port St Mary) and Truggan Close (Port Erin).

I will ask around - maybe the Port Erin Library will know?

From another website:
Truggan Close is next to Port Erin Railway Station and is located in Isle of Man. Truggan Close has a length of 0.1 kilometres. But it is split in separate ways
Title: Re: Harrison
Post by: Jocelyn Bernier on Wednesday 21 November 18 20:44 GMT (UK)
Thank you.

I will investigate further.
Title: Re: Harrison
Post by: KGarrad on Wednesday 21 November 18 21:24 GMT (UK)
My suspicion is that whatever Truggan was, it no longer exists.

Lots of new (-ish) buildings in Port Erin ;D
Title: Re: Harrison
Post by: Jocelyn Bernier on Wednesday 21 November 18 21:38 GMT (UK)
Thank you.

That's what I thought.

;-)
Title: Re: Harrison
Post by: KGarrad on Wednesday 21 November 18 22:43 GMT (UK)
Just remembered that I have a copy of "The Place-Names of the Isle of Man" (J.J. Kneen; 1970 reprint of 1925 original).

Unfortunately, no mention of Truggan in the section on Kirk Christ, Rushen :(

However there is mention of "Struggan Snail", meaning swift stream or water.
Quoting: "This stream had its source on the Mull and, flowing through a rocky bed, descends swiftly into Port Erin, where it discharges itself into the sea."

The Mull means the hill.
Struggan Snail I have also seen spelled Struggan Sneayle ;D


On Google maps,there is a stream flowing south of the Railway station and track, and north of Athol Park.
Indeed, Station Road and Promenade sit high above Shore Road, Strand Road and Athol Park.
Title: Re: Harrison
Post by: Jocelyn Bernier on Thursday 22 November 18 03:27 GMT (UK)
Thank you. I will try to find more information but as you said, it might not exist today.
Title: Re: Harrison
Post by: KGarrad on Thursday 22 November 18 13:09 GMT (UK)
Have sent you a PM (Personal Message) re photos.

Unfortunately they cannot be attached to this thread; as it's a Lookup Requests thread! ::)

Meanwhile: Truggan Road (Port St Mary) runs into St. Marys Road (Port Erin).
I need to check at the Museum, but my belief is that St Mary's Road was formerly Truggan Road?

This road is one of 2 roads linking Port Erin to Port St Mary. And walking distance to both harbours.
I've walked that road without knowing what it was called ;D
Title: Re: Harrison
Post by: Jocelyn Bernier on Thursday 22 November 18 14:29 GMT (UK)
That's what I think also looking at Google map. ;-)
Title: Re: Harrison
Post by: Frances_mnb on Sunday 25 November 18 22:43 GMT (UK)
Truggan Road is described at
http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/methdism/mhist/mmhsn07.htm
the name Truggan occurs several times in Rushen section of 1894 directory
http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/fulltext/bd1894/rn.htm
Title: Re: Harrison
Post by: Jocelyn Bernier on Tuesday 27 November 18 14:25 GMT (UK)
Hi,

Got your photos and the documents.

Thank you very much for your help. You're a gentleman.

If you ever need some help or pass by Canada I'll pay the beers ;-)

Title: Re: Harrison
Post by: dathai on Sunday 20 January 19 09:11 GMT (UK)
Henry senior ? 1864 page 2
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/search/cl/details.jsp?id=IRE/CREWLISTS/00041571