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Title: The origin of the name Gunnion/Gunnan
Post by: jdchisim on Friday 09 November 18 17:11 GMT (UK)
Hey all,

In my tree I have an Arthur Rice marrying an Ann Muldoon at St Mary's RC in Belfast.

Arthur's father is also called Arthur but his mother is called Ann Gunnion.

I've tried searching that name without a huge amount of luck. I saw a houseofnames entry which to be honest I don't really trust given their track record on name origins. Then I stumbled upon Arthur's birth record which lists his wife as Gunnan.

Does anyone have any experience with those names or if they are corruptions?

EDIT: I would post the marriage record but for some reason it does not appear in the civil records. Definitely exists though in the church. Have attached the image in case it's a bad transcription.

Thanks.
Title: Re: The origin of the name Gunnion/Gunnan
Post by: heywood on Friday 09 November 18 17:37 GMT (UK)
Hey all,

In my tree I have an Arthur Rice marrying an Ann Muldoon at St Mary's RC in Belfast.

Arthur's father is also called Arthur but his mother is called Ann Gunnion.

I've tried searching that name without a huge amount of luck. I saw a houseofnames entry which to be honest I don't really trust given their track record on name origins. Then I stumbled upon Arthur's birth record which lists his wife as Gunnan.

Thanks.

Hello,
You haven't posted any dates and then mention ‘Arthur’s birth record which lists his wife as Gunnan’.
Is this an error?

There is a baptism for Arthur Rice, 29th July 1838 with mother Ann Gunion.
Is that your Arthur?
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633208#page/169/mode/1up

Regards
Heywood
Title: Re: The origin of the name Gunnion/Gunnan
Post by: hallmark on Friday 09 November 18 17:45 GMT (UK)
https://www.johngrenham.com/findasurname.php?surname=Gunnion
Title: Re: The origin of the name Gunnion/Gunnan
Post by: jdchisim on Friday 09 November 18 17:56 GMT (UK)
Thanks both for the reply.

@Heywood
Yes the dates match. I have never seen that record. I got my information from a church baptism on rootsireland. The record says the mother is Ann Gunnan and the parish/district is listed as the Union Workhouse, Belfast. I don't know if I can post it as it is paid content.

EDIT: Just realised my previous sentence  made no sense.

The thing is as well, is it lists a Reverend H Hanna and sponsors as John Neery and Mary Donelly. This info isn't on that record. So I am a bit confused. I mean the dates and names match. Maybe the record on rootsireland is messed up.

Good find thanks.

Still not sure of the origin though.
Title: Re: The origin of the name Gunnion/Gunnan
Post by: heywood on Friday 09 November 18 18:09 GMT (UK)
Your record looks like Gunnion, I think.

When did they marry although a civil record would not show his mother’s name.
Title: Re: The origin of the name Gunnion/Gunnan
Post by: hallmark on Friday 09 November 18 18:10 GMT (UK)
Thanks both for the reply.

@Heywood
Yes the dates match. I have never seen that record. I got my information from a church baptism on rootsireland. The record says the mother is Ann Gunnan and the parish/district is listed as the Union Workhouse, Belfast. I don't know if I can post it as it is paid content.

EDIT: Just realised my previous sentence  made no sense.

The thing is as well, is it lists a Reverend H Hanna and sponsors as John Neery and Mary Donelly. This info isn't on that record. So I am a bit confused. I mean the dates and names match. Maybe the record on rootsireland is messed up.

Good find thanks.

Still not sure of the origin though.


Certainly not on register....so maybe ask for explanation if you had to pay for it!
Title: Re: The origin of the name Gunnion/Gunnan
Post by: jdchisim on Friday 09 November 18 18:18 GMT (UK)
The thing is the John Neery makes sense as you can trace Arthur Rice Sr using the address on the St Mary's marriage record and a John Neery lives next to him on the street directory of Belfast. So that's why I reached the conclusion that it was correct. But i mean what are the odds that the exact same names and date appear in that church record?

The date of the marriage is the 7th January 1869. Arthur Rice to Ann Muldoon. Parents Arthur Rice and Ann Gunnion and Henry Muldoon and Margaret Montgomery at St Mary's RC, Belfast.

I have searched and not found this record on GRONI.
Title: Re: The origin of the name Gunnion/Gunnan
Post by: hallmark on Friday 09 November 18 18:29 GMT (UK)
Name        ARTHUR RICE
Date of Birth   1872
Group Registration ID   9269205
SR District/Reg Area   Belfast

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1872/03264/2196447.pdf
Title: Re: The origin of the name Gunnion/Gunnan
Post by: jdchisim on Friday 09 November 18 18:44 GMT (UK)
Cheers, i've seen that before.

A long line of Arthurs. I am hoping to maybe find Arthur and Ann Gunion's marriage in the records now. Thanks! :)
Title: Re: The origin of the name Gunnion/Gunnan
Post by: hallmark on Friday 09 November 18 18:47 GMT (UK)
She is Nancy there!
Title: Re: The origin of the name Gunnion/Gunnan
Post by: hallmark on Friday 09 November 18 18:49 GMT (UK)
Civil Reg   Marriage results for Ann Muldoon from 1869 to 1869

No results found.
Title: Re: The origin of the name Gunnion/Gunnan
Post by: jdchisim on Friday 09 November 18 19:11 GMT (UK)
I don't understand that myself. But it is definitely Ann Muldoon on the marriage.
Title: Re: The origin of the name Gunnion/Gunnan
Post by: hallmark on Friday 09 November 18 19:29 GMT (UK)
Just didn't bother registering it probably.
Title: Re: The origin of the name Gunnion/Gunnan
Post by: BallyaltikilliganG on Friday 09 November 18 23:23 GMT (UK)
already known
Arthur Rice b  m Ann Gunnan/Gunion/Gunnion b
children
Arthur Rice b  m 07/01/1869 an Ann Muldoon at St Mary's RC in Belfast. Ann dau of Henry Muldoon and Margaret Montgomery m confirmed with Arthur as father in ancestryireland
children
Arthur Rice b1872
Arthur's father is also called Arthur but his mother is called Ann Gunnion.
Arthur Rice, 29th July 1838 with mother Ann Gunion.

trying to gather all the history I could find quickly, I present below www ancestryireland.com requires credits or subscription etc but has a free index some marriages to investigate most likely in bold
RICE   ARTHUR   1833      Antrim   
RICE   ARTHUR   1834      Antrim   
RICE   ARTHUR   1845      Down   
RICE   ARTHUR   1847      Down   
RICE   ARTHUR   1852      Down   
RICE   ARTHUR   1852      Down   
RICE   ARTHUR   1852      Down   
RICE   ARTHUR   1852      Down   
RICE   ARTHUR   1853      Antrim

Ros Davies  http://www.rosdavies.com gives
Slatady   Knockbreda   .    1km SE of Castlereagh; 177 acres; click here to see its location on a townland map   .
Slatady House   Knockbreda   .   house off Upper Braniel Road, Castlereagh; residence of Simon Logan in 1885   N12/24 CBSA; BEY 24/6/1885

1910 street directorylennonwylie
SLATADY
Gunnion, R., labourer

Ros Davies has http://www.rosdavies.com
Arthur   GUINEY   .   Knockbreda   regd. Castlereagh; husband of Martha Collwell ; father of John b. 1 Apr 1873
John   GUNION   .   Comber   in Creevy, with Michael Cowan paid Rectorial Tithes for 14 years to Mount Alexander Estate from 1681
Miss   Mary Jane   GUNNION   .   Bangor   daughter of James Gunnion; married John Campbell 8 Nov 1847 


tithes have see irish genealogy hub
Gunion, Hugh-Townland: Tallymally Year: 1827-Ballyphilip-Down-
Gunnion, Mary-- Townland: Ballyards Year: 1832-Lisnadill-Armagh
Gunnion, Thomas-- Townland: Minipaty Year: 1832-Lisnadill-Armagh

ancestryireland has
First Name   Surname   Year   Father's First Name   County   1 record = 4 credit(s)
ANN JANE   GUNNAN   1885   father JOHN   Antrim
Surname(s)   Graveyard   Civil Parish   Graveyard Location   County   1 record = 4 credit(s)
GUNION   Bangor Abbey   Bangor   Corporation   Down   
no ann gunion, gunnion,

ecatalogue  at PRONI has
Gunnan none
Gunian none
Gunen none
Gunion
Creevy is townland in Comber Co Down
John Gunion and Michael Cowan hold by lease of 14 yeares from Allsaints 1681 Rent yearly 06:00:00 creevy is townland from
'A Copy of the Rentroll of Comber for the yeare 1684 sent to Sir John Temple by Mr Robert Maxwell'. 7fs see PRONID654/R/2/1
Parcel of land on east side of hay way leading to Bruckshane: Robert Adair, Esq. to John Gunion, Ballymena. see PRONI    D929/HA12/F2/2/30
Andrew Noel Gunion who died 29 June 1964.post motem see PRONI DOW/6/1/1/41/58
Gunnion none

Wills at PRONI  I only searched Gunnion spelling see https://apps.proni.gov.uk/WillsCalendar_IE/WillsSearchImage.aspx?id=155778
Surname   Forename   Death   Grant   Abstract   
Gunnion   John   18 Mar 1860   21 Mar 1861   The Will of John Gunnion late of Ballywhisken in the County of Down Scutcher ...   a Townland  nr Donaghadee
John  d at Ballywhisken  18 March 1860 leaves  his assets to
his son Hugh..
his daughter Jane Gunnion
his daughter Mary Jane Gunnion 
his daughter Charlotte Gunnion

Griffiths valuation has a Michael Gunnan in Sligo and Edward Gunnane in Clare I dint check the Rice entries, as my time has run out
Title: Re: The origin of the name Gunnion/Gunnan
Post by: jdchisim on Saturday 10 November 18 12:35 GMT (UK)
That's very extensive. Thank you for doing that!

I checked the 1833 and 1834 and neither are him. They are from St Patricks. So if St Patricks is digitised on their system and it hasn't produced a result I suspect that they weren't married there. I think it would be unusual for them to marry after the date.

This is getting confusing so to explain this better:

Arthur Rice m Ann Gunnion
Son Arthur born 1838
Arthur m Ann Muldoon
Their child is Annie Rice who marries Andrew Ross.

The Arthur father of Annie is a butcher in the census and in her marriage record.

There is a record in the valuation books on Hercules Street for an Arthur Rice Sr dated 1838 and in Martins Street Directory 1841 1842 as a flesher on Hercules Street. Makes me think he is therefore linked. Also Hercules Street matches the location of Arthur Rice jr when he marries Ann Muldoon.

Also there is the John Neary of the Workhouse record.