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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: jdchisim on Friday 09 November 18 17:11 GMT (UK)
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Hey all,
In my tree I have an Arthur Rice marrying an Ann Muldoon at St Mary's RC in Belfast.
Arthur's father is also called Arthur but his mother is called Ann Gunnion.
I've tried searching that name without a huge amount of luck. I saw a houseofnames entry which to be honest I don't really trust given their track record on name origins. Then I stumbled upon Arthur's birth record which lists his wife as Gunnan.
Does anyone have any experience with those names or if they are corruptions?
EDIT: I would post the marriage record but for some reason it does not appear in the civil records. Definitely exists though in the church. Have attached the image in case it's a bad transcription.
Thanks.
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Hey all,
In my tree I have an Arthur Rice marrying an Ann Muldoon at St Mary's RC in Belfast.
Arthur's father is also called Arthur but his mother is called Ann Gunnion.
I've tried searching that name without a huge amount of luck. I saw a houseofnames entry which to be honest I don't really trust given their track record on name origins. Then I stumbled upon Arthur's birth record which lists his wife as Gunnan.
Thanks.
Hello,
You haven't posted any dates and then mention ‘Arthur’s birth record which lists his wife as Gunnan’.
Is this an error?
There is a baptism for Arthur Rice, 29th July 1838 with mother Ann Gunion.
Is that your Arthur?
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633208#page/169/mode/1up
Regards
Heywood
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https://www.johngrenham.com/findasurname.php?surname=Gunnion
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Thanks both for the reply.
@Heywood
Yes the dates match. I have never seen that record. I got my information from a church baptism on rootsireland. The record says the mother is Ann Gunnan and the parish/district is listed as the Union Workhouse, Belfast. I don't know if I can post it as it is paid content.
EDIT: Just realised my previous sentence made no sense.
The thing is as well, is it lists a Reverend H Hanna and sponsors as John Neery and Mary Donelly. This info isn't on that record. So I am a bit confused. I mean the dates and names match. Maybe the record on rootsireland is messed up.
Good find thanks.
Still not sure of the origin though.
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Your record looks like Gunnion, I think.
When did they marry although a civil record would not show his mother’s name.
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Thanks both for the reply.
@Heywood
Yes the dates match. I have never seen that record. I got my information from a church baptism on rootsireland. The record says the mother is Ann Gunnan and the parish/district is listed as the Union Workhouse, Belfast. I don't know if I can post it as it is paid content.
EDIT: Just realised my previous sentence made no sense.
The thing is as well, is it lists a Reverend H Hanna and sponsors as John Neery and Mary Donelly. This info isn't on that record. So I am a bit confused. I mean the dates and names match. Maybe the record on rootsireland is messed up.
Good find thanks.
Still not sure of the origin though.
Certainly not on register....so maybe ask for explanation if you had to pay for it!
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The thing is the John Neery makes sense as you can trace Arthur Rice Sr using the address on the St Mary's marriage record and a John Neery lives next to him on the street directory of Belfast. So that's why I reached the conclusion that it was correct. But i mean what are the odds that the exact same names and date appear in that church record?
The date of the marriage is the 7th January 1869. Arthur Rice to Ann Muldoon. Parents Arthur Rice and Ann Gunnion and Henry Muldoon and Margaret Montgomery at St Mary's RC, Belfast.
I have searched and not found this record on GRONI.
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Name ARTHUR RICE
Date of Birth 1872
Group Registration ID 9269205
SR District/Reg Area Belfast
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1872/03264/2196447.pdf
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Cheers, i've seen that before.
A long line of Arthurs. I am hoping to maybe find Arthur and Ann Gunion's marriage in the records now. Thanks! :)
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She is Nancy there!
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Civil Reg Marriage results for Ann Muldoon from 1869 to 1869
No results found.
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I don't understand that myself. But it is definitely Ann Muldoon on the marriage.
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Just didn't bother registering it probably.
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already known
Arthur Rice b m Ann Gunnan/Gunion/Gunnion b
children
Arthur Rice b m 07/01/1869 an Ann Muldoon at St Mary's RC in Belfast. Ann dau of Henry Muldoon and Margaret Montgomery m confirmed with Arthur as father in ancestryireland
children
Arthur Rice b1872
Arthur's father is also called Arthur but his mother is called Ann Gunnion.
Arthur Rice, 29th July 1838 with mother Ann Gunion.
trying to gather all the history I could find quickly, I present below www ancestryireland.com requires credits or subscription etc but has a free index some marriages to investigate most likely in bold
RICE ARTHUR 1833 Antrim
RICE ARTHUR 1834 Antrim
RICE ARTHUR 1845 Down
RICE ARTHUR 1847 Down
RICE ARTHUR 1852 Down
RICE ARTHUR 1852 Down
RICE ARTHUR 1852 Down
RICE ARTHUR 1852 Down
RICE ARTHUR 1853 Antrim
Ros Davies http://www.rosdavies.com gives
Slatady Knockbreda . 1km SE of Castlereagh; 177 acres; click here to see its location on a townland map .
Slatady House Knockbreda . house off Upper Braniel Road, Castlereagh; residence of Simon Logan in 1885 N12/24 CBSA; BEY 24/6/1885
1910 street directorylennonwylie
SLATADY
Gunnion, R., labourer
Ros Davies has http://www.rosdavies.com
Arthur GUINEY . Knockbreda regd. Castlereagh; husband of Martha Collwell ; father of John b. 1 Apr 1873
John GUNION . Comber in Creevy, with Michael Cowan paid Rectorial Tithes for 14 years to Mount Alexander Estate from 1681
Miss Mary Jane GUNNION . Bangor daughter of James Gunnion; married John Campbell 8 Nov 1847
tithes have see irish genealogy hub
Gunion, Hugh-Townland: Tallymally Year: 1827-Ballyphilip-Down-
Gunnion, Mary-- Townland: Ballyards Year: 1832-Lisnadill-Armagh
Gunnion, Thomas-- Townland: Minipaty Year: 1832-Lisnadill-Armagh
ancestryireland has
First Name Surname Year Father's First Name County 1 record = 4 credit(s)
ANN JANE GUNNAN 1885 father JOHN Antrim
Surname(s) Graveyard Civil Parish Graveyard Location County 1 record = 4 credit(s)
GUNION Bangor Abbey Bangor Corporation Down
no ann gunion, gunnion,
ecatalogue at PRONI has
Gunnan none
Gunian none
Gunen none
Gunion
Creevy is townland in Comber Co Down
John Gunion and Michael Cowan hold by lease of 14 yeares from Allsaints 1681 Rent yearly 06:00:00 creevy is townland from
'A Copy of the Rentroll of Comber for the yeare 1684 sent to Sir John Temple by Mr Robert Maxwell'. 7fs see PRONID654/R/2/1
Parcel of land on east side of hay way leading to Bruckshane: Robert Adair, Esq. to John Gunion, Ballymena. see PRONI D929/HA12/F2/2/30
Andrew Noel Gunion who died 29 June 1964.post motem see PRONI DOW/6/1/1/41/58
Gunnion none
Wills at PRONI I only searched Gunnion spelling see https://apps.proni.gov.uk/WillsCalendar_IE/WillsSearchImage.aspx?id=155778
Surname Forename Death Grant Abstract
Gunnion John 18 Mar 1860 21 Mar 1861 The Will of John Gunnion late of Ballywhisken in the County of Down Scutcher ... a Townland nr Donaghadee
John d at Ballywhisken 18 March 1860 leaves his assets to
his son Hugh..
his daughter Jane Gunnion
his daughter Mary Jane Gunnion
his daughter Charlotte Gunnion
Griffiths valuation has a Michael Gunnan in Sligo and Edward Gunnane in Clare I dint check the Rice entries, as my time has run out
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That's very extensive. Thank you for doing that!
I checked the 1833 and 1834 and neither are him. They are from St Patricks. So if St Patricks is digitised on their system and it hasn't produced a result I suspect that they weren't married there. I think it would be unusual for them to marry after the date.
This is getting confusing so to explain this better:
Arthur Rice m Ann Gunnion
Son Arthur born 1838
Arthur m Ann Muldoon
Their child is Annie Rice who marries Andrew Ross.
The Arthur father of Annie is a butcher in the census and in her marriage record.
There is a record in the valuation books on Hercules Street for an Arthur Rice Sr dated 1838 and in Martins Street Directory 1841 1842 as a flesher on Hercules Street. Makes me think he is therefore linked. Also Hercules Street matches the location of Arthur Rice jr when he marries Ann Muldoon.
Also there is the John Neary of the Workhouse record.