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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Canada Lookup Request => Topic started by: dbrobertson on Saturday 10 November 18 18:43 GMT (UK)
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Looking for descendants of Charles James Francis DOYLE.
Charles married Margaret Moffatt 04 Nov 1928 at New Caledonia, the Manse, NS. Margaret is the eldest daughter of my great aunt Jessie Robertson. Contact between the families (Robertson, Moffatt) seems to have ceased in the 1930s or 1940s.
I have gathered a small amount of data on this family which I would be pleased to share.
Brian
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Hi,
There is a border crossing Aug. 29, 1924 for Margaret Moffatt destined to Boston, Mass and her Aunt Mrs. C.D Merriam. On the back of that form there is a notation "Form I-404 to N.Y. 12/12/194? "(could be 43, 45, or 48), and "Form Letter 10/9/4? Name Mrs. Matta"
Margaret Moffatt b. June 7, 1905 Nova Scotia.
There is a Florida Death Index Margaret Moffatt Motto, b. 7 June 1905, d. 3 Feb.1981 Dade, Florida
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Amargaret~%20%2Bsurname%3Amotto~&collection_id=1946805
Social Security Death Index
Margaret Motto, b. 7 June 1905 d. Feb 1981, last residence 33125 Miami, Dade, Florida, SSN
issued before 1951 New York.
DB
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Hi,
Since Margaret's Social Security Number was issued in New York, a possible for her
1940 USA Census, Queens, New York, 3725 61st. Street
Motto, Vito, head, age 48, b. Italy, driver, truck
Motto, Margaret, wife, age 35, b. Canada
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9MB-9N74?i=25&cc=2000219
WW2 Draft Registration Card
Motto, Vito, 3725 61st. St., Woodside, Queens, NY, age 50, b. Sept. 7, 1891, Florence, Italy,
person who will always know your address M. Motto, same address
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-67XS-M26?i=3070&cc=1861144
DB
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Pretty definite that this is my cousin Margaret. It would seem that either she was widowed young or had the Doyle marriage annulled (or was bigamous!). It also appears fairly certain that Margaret was childless.
Thank you for pointing out these sites - I'll share the information with my Moffatt relations.
Brian
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Hi,
I don't think Margaret was a young widow.
On the 1928 marriage of Charles and Margaret, Charles gives his parents as Samuel Doyle and Sadie Devison.
I think this is the family in 1921 Census
Glace Bay, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia, 703 Sterling
Samuel, Sadie (Sarah), children John, Daniel, Charles, James, Samuel, Joseph, Miles, and Katie.
http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1921&op=img&id=e002904485
There is a death of Sarah Doyle in 1957 Glace Bay, widow of Samuel Doyle
Son Charles is the informant, and his address is 703 Sterling, Glace Bay.
https://www.novascotiagenealogy.com/ItemView.aspx?ImageFile=1957-5110&Event=death&ID=390563
1957 Canada Voters List, Glace Bay, 703 Sterling
Doyle, Eunice, clerk
Doyle, Miles, miner
Doyle, Mrs. Miles
Doyle, Mrs. Sarah, widow
Doyle, Charles, electrician
The last sighting for Charles, 1968 Canada Voters List, Glace Bay, 703 Sterling
Doyle, Miles, miner
Doyle, Mrs. Miles
Doyle, Charles, pensioner
Gotta love these families who remain at the same address. ;D
DB
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I think we have a black sheep sighting...
Margaret would be the first bigamist on the tree in years, since that Knox guy from Pontiac County, Quebec.
Interestingly, Margaret appears in Hamilton in 1977 to attend the funeral of brother Crawford. No estrangement, apparently among the siblings.
Margaret's marriage document from 1928 contains a couple of deceptions. She gives her age as 27. She was 23 and knew her birthdate to the very day on other occasions. She gave her mother's maiden name as 'Robinson'. What woman wouldn't know mom's maiden name after living under the same roof for 23 years?
Wonder what was going down.
Blessings,
Brian
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On the other hand is annulment, about which I know little.
Mr. Doyle is Catholic, Margaret Moffatt is Presbyterian. The marriage ceremony appears to have been conducted at the Presbyterian Manse.
In the year 1928 would the Roman Catholic Church have considered annulment of a marriage of one of its members simply because it was solemnized by a Protestant minister?
Seems unlikely, but I don't know.
Brian
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Vito Motto's WWI draft registration card says he has a wife & 2 children, so perhaps he & Margaret's marriage (if there was one) was his 2nd as well. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-81N3-6YQ?i=2767&cc=1968530 Possible matches in the 1920 & 1930 census:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MJY4-3KN
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X4P6-RPW
Social Security death index has Vito's death in Feb. 1949. The Social Security application index says he died Feb. 1949, but the claim date was 27 Sep. 1949. The New York, New York death index has a Vito Motto age 57 who died 2 Sep 1949. Not sure if something was bungled here or they were different guys.
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I think I'd go with 'bungled' rather than duplicate Vito Mottos. Cousin Margaret remains a bit of a mystery, but not so much that we can't live with it.
Don't know what happened to Margaret's first husband or to Vito's first family - Anna & Jacquelin disappear after 1930 as surely as does Charlie Doyle. Whatever the details, Margaret experienced New York City when she was in her prime and then enjoyed Florida sun in her retirement. Plus she had the health and finances to attend brother Crawford's funeral in her 73rd year.
I am told that one of my younger Moffatt cousins is interested in genealogy. I intend to pass on everything we have discovered to the Moffatts for future research.
Thanks again,
Brian
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Have you found this …
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/194555120/sarah-doyle
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Yes, thanks - it appears that Charles Doyle didn't marry again, but lived with family in Glace Bay for the next half-century. Dbree found the family living at the same address for decades. Charles was the informant on his mother's death registration.
We may never know the whole story (one credible RC site stated that one marriage in seven in North America would wind up being annulled by the RC Church) but I'd opt for the annulment possibility. It seems that one of the five grounds for annulment would be present: ceremony performed by someone not accredited by the RC Church. it is suggested that a second ceremony, this one at the Catholic Church might have solved the problem (if problem there was).
I don't know what the facts of the matter are but that Doyle/Moffatt marriage document was beyond sketchy.
Brian
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Hi Brian,
It's possible Margaret had an obituary. There is a volunteer who will do look-ups at the Miami
Dade Library. Might be worth an email.
Bottom of the list,
http://www.flgenweb.net/miamidade/lookups.html
DB