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Title: Children on the 1939 census
Post by: Vanhenry on Sunday 11 November 18 12:19 GMT (UK)
I saw an earlier thread saying that you cannot read the records for anyone born after 1916 on the 1939 census.  I cannot find my husband's aunt, born in 1924, but have found the record for my cousin, born in 1933, and two evacuees living with them who were also born in the early 1930s.

Can anyone explain this anomaly.  The aunt has died since the census was released. My cousin is still alive but I don't know about the evacuees.

Many thanks for any help.

Vanhenry.
Title: Re: Children on the 1939 census
Post by: PaulineJ on Sunday 11 November 18 12:51 GMT (UK)
Anomalies do occur.
If the 1933 cousin is still alive, report it and get it covered up.
It's not a census, and it may be that they simply haven't yet got around to uncovering the aunt's record.
Title: Re: Children on the 1939 census
Post by: Maggsie on Sunday 11 November 18 12:53 GMT (UK)
Hi,
My friend was born in 1929 she is listed on the 1939 Census with her married name in green and the date. It seems that if they married in later years they show, if they didn't marry then its black.
She married in 1957. I don't know the cut off date for the hand written name changes were stopped.
Maggsie
 
Title: Re: Children on the 1939 census
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 11 November 18 13:23 GMT (UK)
I went to a friends 80th birthday lunch on 30th Sept and as a result of a conversation with one of her cousins I looked up the family on the 1939 register and my friends name was visible. 

I reported it straight away but it’s still showing complete with her married name
Title: Re: Children on the 1939 census
Post by: Vanhenry on Sunday 11 November 18 13:59 GMT (UK)
Many thanks.  I will do as you suggest re my cousin.
Vanhenry
Title: Re: Children on the 1939 census
Post by: iolaus on Sunday 11 November 18 15:32 GMT (UK)
Some they seem to have uncovered the wrong person.

My grandmother has died yet is not shown on there (well has a black line through the line I'm 99.9% sure is her), her younger sister, who is alive, is shown on the line below
Title: Re: Children on the 1939 census
Post by: Vanhenry on Sunday 11 November 18 17:21 GMT (UK)
Thanks to all who have replied.  It has clarified things for me.
Title: Re: Children on the 1939 census
Post by: Maiden Stone on Monday 12 November 18 16:06 GMT (UK)
Some they seem to have uncovered the wrong person.

My grandmother has died yet is not shown on there (well has a black line through the line I'm 99.9% sure is her), her younger sister, who is alive, is shown on the line below

Same mistake with my family.
Title: Re: Children on the 1939 census
Post by: KGarrad on Monday 12 November 18 16:42 GMT (UK)
Can we all please get this right?

The 1939 National Register was NOT a census!
It was updated continuously from the formation of the NHS in 1946/7 until they started using computerised records in the 1990s.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/1939-register/

Where it states:

3. What and who the Register records

The 1939 Register was designed to capture the details of every member of the civilian population on a specific date – military personnel were not recorded (see below for more information on who was and wasn’t recorded). It contains details of around 40 million people, recorded in more than 65,000 volumes (transcript books).

While the 1939 Register is not a census, it is arranged along similar lines and includes similar, if less detailed, information. It does, however, show exact dates of birth where census returns simply give a person’s age.
Title: Re: Children on the 1939 census
Post by: melba_schmelba on Friday 16 November 18 15:48 GMT (UK)
I saw an earlier thread saying that you cannot read the records for anyone born after 1916 on the 1939 census.  I cannot find my husband's aunt, born in 1924, but have found the record for my cousin, born in 1933, and two evacuees living with them who were also born in the early 1930s.

Can anyone explain this anomaly.  The aunt has died since the census was released. My cousin is still alive but I don't know about the evacuees.

Many thanks for any help.

Vanhenry.
That is simply inaccurate. I think the general rule is people who died before 1988 will be shown automatically, but I think there may have also been some matching to death records, as certainly in my family people who died after that are shown.
Title: Re: Children on the 1939 census
Post by: andrewalston on Saturday 17 November 18 09:37 GMT (UK)
That is simply inaccurate. I think the general rule is people who died before 1988 will be shown automatically, but I think there may have also been some matching to death records, as certainly in my family people who died after that are shown.

No, the rules are straightforward:
1. If the date of birth quoted is over 100 years ago, the record is shown.
2. If the record shows a death (in the area we can't see, filled in by National Registration or the NHS), the record is shown.
3. If there is other evidence of a death, such as someone providing a certificate, the record is shown.
4. FindMyPast are trawling death registrations and trying to match up the people. If they find a match, the record is shown.

Note that item 4 is error-prone, especially for common names. My mother's entry was shown for a while. I couldn't work out a matching death under her maiden name or married name, so I emailed FindMyPast explaining that while she was quite happy to appear, they might use this case to help improve their algorithm. Her entry was promptly redacted again.
Title: Re: Children on the 1939 census
Post by: macwil on Saturday 17 November 18 10:08 GMT (UK)
It is my understanding that if a person who was not registered with a GP in England and Wales died then the Register was unlikely to have been updated. i.e. if someone moved to Scotland and died there the Register was not amended because Scotland had/s their own system, similarly if one moved temporarily away from home and didn't register with a local GP then the death may not have been reported to their registered GP and consequently no form was sent to the LHA, who were responsible for updating the Register.
Title: Re: Children on the 1939 census
Post by: Guy Etchells on Saturday 17 November 18 11:33 GMT (UK)
It is my understanding that if a person who was not registered with a GP in England and Wales died then the Register was unlikely to have been updated. i.e. if someone moved to Scotland and died there the Register was not amended because Scotland had/s their own system, similarly if one moved temporarily away from home and didn't register with a local GP then the death may not have been reported to their registered GP and consequently no form was sent to the LHA, who were responsible for updating the Register.

Sorry but you are making false assumptions.
1) Doctors were not the only people who informed the NHS of deaths this was also done via the DHSS system and in other ways.

2) Although Scotland now has a devolved system that was not always the case. My  (genetic half) brother born in England on the 13 September 1939 and appears on the 1939 National Register.
His entry was amended in 1957 when he went to university in Edinburgh and registered with a doctor under our mothers married name (she had married my father in 1946 after divorcing her first husband). My brother died in 1958 whilst at university and appeared on the 1939 register when it first appeared online, even though he died in Scotland.

Cheers
Guy
Title: Re: Children on the 1939 census
Post by: macwil on Saturday 17 November 18 11:37 GMT (UK)
I stand corrected.
Thanks Guy.
Title: Re: Children on the 1939 census
Post by: Maiden Stone on Saturday 17 November 18 12:38 GMT (UK)
A relative of mine was a child in 1939. He emigrated to Australia when a young man. He has since died. His entry on 1939 Register is still redacted. His younger brother died in England within the past 5 years. The entry for the younger brother, who was a baby in 1939, is now visible.