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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Worcestershire => England => Worcestershire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: katy k on Monday 12 November 18 16:59 GMT (UK)
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Hi, I'm searching for information on my g grandfather William Hart who I think was born in 1856 or 1858 in a place called Eldersfield (is this near Malvern?) I believe he was the son of Joseph Hart (born either Eldersfield or Berrow around 1843) and possibly Mary....but I haven't yet been able to confirm that.
Any help greatfully appreciated.
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Hi there is this family in 1861 census:-
Joseph Hart 41 occ Wheelwright
Mary 38
Joseph 18
Ellen 10
Emma 7
Julia 4
William 2
Sarah Davis 92 Widow/Lodger
Residing at Lime Street, Eldersfield, Registration District Upton on Severn.
Census ref RG09/2098/65/12
This William was baptised 12th December 1858 Eldersfield as William Charles Hart Parents Joseph/Mary
Keyboard86
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Thank you. This is the right family as I recognise the girls names.
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Thank you. This is the right family as I recognise the girls names.
OK so he was baptised as William Charles Hart did he marry a Gertrude maiden name possibly Weaver?
If so when/where and what does the marriage certificate/record say
Was he also a Blacksmith.
Keyboard86
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:) Hi again, a Charles William Hart is on the same page as a Gertrude Weaver December qtr 1882 Westbury on Severn?
Keyboard86
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Joseph Hart son of Mary Davis chr 19th Febuary 1843 Berrow
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Thanks again. I do know that william Charles Hart married Gertrude weaver,not sure when exactly but the eldest of their 8 surviving children was louisa born 1885.My gran was Edith,their 6th child. The older children(Louisa, thomas, william,florence Eva, Edith) were born in Twyning Glos,the younger ones (james, Edward) in Halesowen between 1885 and 1897.I havent heard of Westbury but family folklore did mention him being a blacksmith and having something to do with making the railings of Halesowen churchyard.what I didnt know until you kindly reffered me to the 1861 census was the name of his parents as i have only just begun looking at this side of the family. I have also heard Berrow mentioned but dont know the geography of that area.
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:) Hi again, a Charles William Hart is on the same page as a Gertrude Weaver December qtr 1882 Westbury on Severn?
Keyboard86
Hi again, this appears to be when/where William Charles/Charles William Hart married?
Keyboard86
PS he is a Blacksmith on all the census returns I can locate post this date.
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thank you. yes he was a blacksmith.
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Hi again, so which census returns do you have for the family post 1882?
That marriage certificate would supply the father of each of them, and any witnesses.
Keyboard86
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Hi. Thanks for the reply. I have got enough details from the 1861 census to be able to fill in most of the gaps to the present day.
The problem I am having is getting back before 1861.
I think I have traced Joseph Hart's father using the marriage records at Eldersfield .
I think it was:
James Hart born around 1793
(baptised 12th may 1793,Eldersfield)
I can't figure out the female name.
He was the son of another James Hartwho married Sarah Diar(widow)
also in Eldersfield on 3rd November 1791.
I can't see a baptism record for any siblings in Eldersfield.
Here is where I get stuck.
The marriage record states James was "of Chanceley"[/b]
A request on the Gloucester board pointed me to the church records from Chanceley but no Harts there that I can find so thats a dead end.
Presumably James was working in the Chanceley/Eldersfield area but where he was born is what cant find out at the moment.
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:) Hi so you have the 1851 census of the Hart family in Eldersfield?
Census ref HO107/2043//348/18 and the marriage of Joseph/Mary.
Keyboard86
PS I presume you have the 1841 census with a Joseph Hart 20 and Mary Davies 20 are in the same household in Berrow
Census ref HO107/1199/ 4/10 / 13
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so you have the 1851 census of the Hart family in Eldersfield?
Census ref HO107/2043//348/18 and the marriage of Joseph/Mary.
Keyboard86
Thank you,yes I do.
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:) And the marriage of Joseph to Mary.
If so can you give full details including witnesses.
Keyboard86
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The information I have on the marriage is from Eldersfield parish register;
Joseph Hart, son of James Hart & Mary Davis, daughter of Thomas Davis 23rd Oct 1851
no witnesses given, just enough info to search deeper into the church records to find James Hart's baptism and his parents names.
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The information I have on the marriage is from Eldersfield parish register;
Joseph Hart, son of James Hart & Mary Davis, daughter of Thomas Davis 23rd Oct 1851
no witnesses given, just enough info to search deeper into the church records to find James Hart's baptism and his parents
Ignore wrong assumption made, you really need for all the information on the father's etc the Marriage registration Dec qtr 1851 Upton v18 page 751 for this couple?
Keyboard86
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Hi again, so their would appear to be children born prior to the marriage in Oct 1851?
1851 census
Joseph Hart 29 occ Wheelwright & Machine maker b Pendock, Worcestershire
Mary 30
Joseph 8
Sarah Ann 4
Rocedo? 6
Fanny 1
Residing at Lawn Side, Old Taylors , Eldersfield
Census ref HO107/2043/348/18
All others born Berrow
Keyboard86
PS you really need that marriage certificate Dec qtr 1851 Upton for more clues?
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Thank you.
Yes I do need to find that marriage certificate.
I didnt have the 1841 census either which puts them in Berrow.
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:) I would not find the marriage certificate, I would order it from the GRO with the references supplied!
Keyboard86
PS it would supply occupation/address/witnesses etc.
Bear in mind you do not have Joseph's baptism yet?