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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: RHP485 on Monday 12 November 18 18:18 GMT (UK)
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RootsChat covers such a variety of things to do with tracing family information that I thought I would ask if there is any member out there with or without the surname Pyle who has a connection to my ancestor Thomas Pyle who was murdered at the Redhills path in Durham in 1882. His murderer Peter Bray was hung in Durham Jail in 1883. Thanks!
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Have you checked the Surname Interests Board - scroll to bottom of page and link is under Your Tools
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Hi CaroleW
Thanks for that. I have tried that without success. I have added my search there for the Pyle surname mentioning my relative who was murdered.
I am part of a small family, that I am aware of. However my relative Thomas had a number of children who I have done some research on but as time went by I lost track of including the women's side of the family.
I just thought somebody with or without the surname may recognise my relative who was murdered.
Robert
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I always find it easier searching the male side - particularly if they have fairly uncommon christian names. Daughters marry and sometimes re-marry and change names etc
1881 census has 3 sons who you already know about
Bartholomew Leck b 1861 married Dinah Ann Vinton 1887 - one son Bartholomew Vinton b 1897 died 1964. BVP married 1917 and had a son of the same name 1918 and also a son Morris b 1932 who died 1990.
Morris married 1960 and had 3 children so you may want to follow that line as one was a son
Thomas’s other 2 sons were
Joseph b 1865 married Mary Arabella Fletcher 1886 - 5 sons
George b 1879 married Hannah Bell Potts 1900 - 3 sons by 1911
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Hi CarolW
Thanks for the reply.
Like you I am only concentrating on the male side of my family with the surname Pyle.
I am sorry to say that none of the names mention in your reply are known to me.
I have done some research already and Thomas Pyle had children and except for one son, all had the Pyle surname.
Just shows how trying to trace your roots can be a headache.
Robert
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Deaths June qtr 1882
Pyle Thomas 50 Durham 10a 188
Birthyear approx 1832
1881 census - is this the right entry?
Thomas Pyle 50
Mary 47
Bartholomew 20
Joseph 16
Mary 10
Elizabeth 5
George 2
RG11 Piece 5043 Folio 60 Page 74
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Hi CarolW
The first entry in your reply looks right but my relative was living with a 'servant'/concubine lady in 1881 who he had a son to because his wife had died before that date.
I am out of the house at the moment so I cannot check but I think her name was Ann. His sons included Edward, Thomas William, Ralph & Robert and he one or two daughters as well.
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Hi CarolW
I have just remembered his 'servants' name was Ann Dixon.
Can I just say that I am not struggling for basic information about him and his children. I am struggling to trace his parents and their parents etc. Also I only recently found out that one his sons married an older woman who had been married before and we then became connected to the Appleby family in Stanley Co Durham.
Apart from info on Thomas's parents and grandparents etc it would be nice to see if anybody reading my request can link their family to mine through Thomas who was murdered at Durham.
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Ok
So he's this 1881 entry - age slightly different
Thomas Pyle widower 47 b New Lambton colliery plate layer
Ann Dixon 37 servant b Hexham
Robert J. Dixon 6 b Hexham
RG11 Piece 4981 Folio 52 Page 13
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Yes that's him. I find it hard to find his parents, his grandparents and before that etc. Also it would be nice to find any other family members, except the small number of family members that I am aware of, with or without the Pyle surname!
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I forgot to add that are especially still alive today.
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Just posting 1871 as well to get more detail
Thomas Pyle 39 b Lambton miner
Harriet 38 b Hetton
Robert 19 b Ludworth
Joseph 16 ditto
Harriet 11 b Castle Eden
Thomas 8 b Coxhoe
Ralph 4 b Framwellgate Moor?
Mary Ann 1 b Crook
RG10 Piece 4967 Folio 113 Page 34
In 1881- Thomas, Ralph, Mary plus Ann b 1871 after the census are with brother Joseph
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Yes that's him and his family when his wife Harriet was still alive in the 1871 census.
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Further information
Thomas Pyle baptized 17 January 1831 in Houghton Le Spring, father Thomas, mother Harriet.
Thomas Pyle (Pile) marriage 22 September or 19 October 1850
to Harriet Dawson in Shadforth, Durham.
His father Thomas Pyle marriage 18 July 1829 to Harriet Kirtley in Bishop Wearmouth, Durham.
More census information
1841census Matthews Street, Kelloe, Durham
Thos Pyle 58-62
Harriet Pyle 50-54 b Scotland
Thos Pyle 11 b Durham
Mary Pyle 9 b Durham
Edward Pyle 3
1851 census
Harriet Pyle (Widow) 57 b Scotland
Edward Pyle Son 12 b Benton, Northumberland
Thomas Pyle Son 21 b Houghton Le Spring
Harriet Pyle Dtr in Law 19 b Leeds, Yorkshire
Ann Pyle 0 b Shadforth, Durham
Hope this helps :)
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Hi Campingdave
Many thanks for the information! I now have Thomas's father and mothers details and will try to find his fathers father etc. as I am only trying to go back as far as I can on the Pyle side of my family.
The 21 year old Thomas mentioned in the 1851 census was the one murdered at Redhills Durham in 1882.
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You are welcome. Good luck :-X
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RootsChat covers such a variety of things to do with tracing family information that I thought I would ask if there is any member there with or without the surname Pyle who has a connection to my ancestor Thomas Pyle who was murdered at the Redhills path in Durham in 1882. His murderer Peter Bray was hung in Durham Jail in 1883. Thanks!
RootsChat covers such a variety of things to do with tracing family information that I thought I would ask if there is any member out there with or without the surname Pyle who has a connection to my ancestor Thomas Pyle who was murdered at the Redhills path in Durham in 1882. His murderer Peter Bray was hung in Durham Jail in 1883. Thanks!
If you're still looking at this site, I think the murdered man was my great great grandfather. His illegitimate son with Ann Dixon was my paternal ancestor.