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Helo Everyone
In the Dan Boswell Thread I am doing several researchers, I was told I must separate my researchers, one of those researchers is about the Gipsies in the First World War, WW1, so this now is the Roll of Honour Research for all the Gipsies that wore the uniform in the First World War, I make no distinction between people who have more Gipsy relatives than others, if by chance I put a name up of a person that as no Gipsy relatives what so ever then the fault lays with me alone, still at least they will be in good
Company.
In the Dan Boswell Thread where I started the research into the times of the First World War you will find full accounts up over many pages telling of the story surrounding the name of the person I am writing about, now in these posts I will no longer write up the story’s but I will write the name of the newspaper and date so you may research the Archives yourself to read of the times of your relative, I am looking for any information about the people I have researched, like did they manage to stay alive throughout the war, so below I will show you what I mean, I am researching Ambrose Bacon, this below is how I first learned of him, the Bacons I have found I think are related to the Elliott’s and Boylings Heaps, Smiths, Woodwards and more, I only think this from the things I have found, when I put up all the other Gipsy Men from the times of the First World War, I will not put up no writings only their name, this then will be their Roll of Honour page for everyone to know of their names, over the Thread about Dan Boswell there are many of the record story’s, you will have to read through all the pages for I was doing several researchers back then and stop and started different story’s and researchers and mixed them up, so if you see a name that you know in the Gipsy Roll of Honour all you need to do is look at the Newspaper from the Archives just join their site and learn yourself of your relatives, if you would then put on here any information about the person to help me in this research I would welcome your help, apart from the many Gipsy people that I have already found and wrote about in WW1, well I have found many more and will put their names on here to, so I will first show you how I started this research for Ambrose Bacon and tell of the information I found, I found much more to, this is just a sample, you can read all about the War to in the research I did from the link below, I respect all the Gipsy People of the research that I will now show you, r.i.p.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=730582.216
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So this below is how i found out about Ambrose Bacon and his life leading to his death in WW1.
By Thompson
The year 1909 was ushered in by the sequel to the Boxing Day
quarrels of the Gypsies encamped on the Bohemian Estate, Southend, This estate is partly owned and partly rented by about twenty-five or thirty families of Gypsies, who make it their permanent home.two distinct camps : the converted Gypsies, and a varied mob of unregenerate pos-rats and ' mumpers '
then Thomson goes on to say this about the Elliott's, he seems to know round Lincolnshire
AFFAIRS OF EGYPT 1909
By Thompson
engaged in practising tricks. It is on record that Sarah Elliott and
Mary Ann Smith were fined £10 each at Coventry on May 23 for obtaining
£2, 5s. for a goat-skin rug by hoaxing and intimidation ; that Alice Elliott
and her niece, Isabella Elliott, were fined at Knaresborough on September
5 for obtaining £5 from a Boroughbridge publican by means of a trick
at Willenhall on June 21 for obtaining sums of 18s. and 10s. 6d. by false
pretences. Who these Elliotts were it has been impossible to ascertain. In all
probability they did not belong to the well-known Lincolnshire family, but to an
entirely ;distinct family (and one not renowned for its law-abiding character)
that may sometimes be met with around Bristol or London.
but who are these Elliott's who knew the Smiths and Wiltshire Families of Nottingham
Nottingham 1918
exciting the road near Lenton Abbey, led to the appearance in the Nottingham, George Smith, 57, gipsy, assaulting P.c. John and damaging his bicycle, Albert Smith, 23, and two young women Maria Elliott and Amy Webster, both Gipsys were also charged with assault.
Thompson the so called writer found one story in 1909 and merited it warranted but a single line
AFFAIRS OF EGYPT 1909
By Thompson
These notes are compiled almost entirely from the large volume weighing seven pounds of Press cuttings collected by the Society's Honorary Secretary On March 15 some so called Gypsies were evicted from a camping ground in Hawthorne Street, Nottingham
AFFAIRS OF GIPSYS 2016
By Me
Nottingham 1909
After numerous written notices and two and one quarter hours of argument, a body of Gipsies were removed from land in Hawthorne street, Nottingham. Belonging, Mr. H. Brown and Messrs. Brothers. For two or three years this land has been the free habitat of the Bohemians, the landowners, in co-operation with the city sanitary inspector, determined to them, notice of eviction Mr. Brown's agent, together with two gentlemen from Red Lion-street, two other men' on behalf of Chorley Brothers, and a couple of policemen, at nine o'clock this morning. Perhaps the order had not been taken seriously, for the encampment had yet made the slightest preparation, and the only horse fetched from the fields was promptly sent away when the police were spotted. There were three caravans, in which some 15 people lived, Billy Bacon, pleaded that his only available horse was lame, and refused to quit. Thereupon the two gentlemen from
Red Lionstreet, capable looking, stepped to the front
“The first man who touches my van I'll lay out" intimated Billy, the powerful looking fellow standing over six feet high. The gentlemen from Red Lion-street consulted, and decided that they could not interfere under the circumstances. Meanwhile, one of the owners of the other vans said he was quite willing
"to have a flutter'’ and stand the consequences.
Someone was despatched to negotiate
Nottingham 1900
Charles Bacon, gipsy, was summoned for aiding and abetting
Fred Wiltshire, Richard Elliott. And John Gregory, in trespassing in search of game, on land belonging the Duke of Portland
having a look at the Gregory family you mentioned, and saw that son Henry appeared to marry a Letty/Letitia/Lettice Wiltshire. This in turn led me to look at the Wiltshire/Wilsher families, and I think I have found out that Richard Smiths wife, Mary, was a Wiltshire.
Now the age is slightly out, but a Joseph and Lydia Wilsher had a daughter Mary Ann baptised at Normanton on Trent 15th Sep 1816. Then there is a baptism on freereg for Lydia d/o Joseph and Lydia Wiltshire of Saint Ann's St., tin man, Nottingham St. Mary, 22nd Jan 1837. This Lydia would fit agewise with the widowed Lydia Elliott who is with Richard and Mary on the 1871 census and make her sister to Mary.
Also there is a baptism at Saxilby in 1821 of Thomas s/o Joseph and Liddy Wiltsher and 1813 at Swineshead, Lincs, of Joseph s/o Joseph and Lydia Wilshaw. Joseph marries a Sarah and is in and around Newark and manages to appear on the 1861 census twice, at both Newark and New Sleaford Lincs.
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Nottingham 1861
Petty Sessions
May 3rd.— (Before the Rev.. J. D. Beecher, Matilda Elliott and Sarah Wiltshire, two gipsies, were charged by James Carter, draper and grocer, of Upton, with having stolen one print dress, one pair of boots, one pair of shoes, two pairs of socks, and one pair of gloves, on the 30th of April. It appeared that the two women went to the shop of Mr. Carter, of Upton, and asked to be shown some goods, giving their names Smith and Wilkinson, and said that they lived in Upton, they succeeded in obtaining goods to the amount of £5 10s. by false pretences. Information was given to Inspector Home the following day, who shortly afterwards apprehended the prisoners, and found the property upon them. Committed for trial at the next sessions to be holden at Retford.
https://www.surreycc.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0010/21061/PPPF_Full_Report.pdf
"My name is Henry Elliott, also known as Stamford and my Dads Family was always known as the Bacons, the Bacons boys and I am also known as Henry Bacon"
this above is an extract from the link above, I just want to show all the many records of the Great Family of Bacons that I have come across in the research of Hawthorne street Kings Meadow Road, of course know the Bacons from the South may have nothing to do with the Bacons I am writing of, I am just trying to see the bigger picture, I have maybe over a hundred reports of southern Bacons, I do know Gipsies were mixed long before the time of the so called scholars, I will elaborate later, I once again looked at the Roots Chat Archive and found more mysteries, I have from the very start been talking of Selston, also Hawthorne Street, and Worksop, and now in some way the Bacons link all these locations, study the link that I am going to show you, then hopefully maybe someone would kindly help
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=75448.0
I have many records to put on soon of this Family of Bacons, all those stories from the link above points to a Great Gipsy Connection, look at this I think this is the Ambrose from the stories I will tell later, I think the Bacons, Smiths, Elliott's, Woodward's are Family
http://www.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/rollofhonour/People/Details/24845
Nottingham evening post Wednesday 14 June 1916
WORK-SHY & UNREGISTERED.
GRAVE CHARGES AGAINST NOTTINGHAM YOUTHS.
Two described as van-dwellers, were remanded at the Nottingham Shire Hall this morning upon charges of having obtained money by false pretences from a local engineering firm.In the case of the first defendant, William Smith, the Deputy Chief constable said he was unattested and unregistered. The other defendant was a youth named Ambrose Bacon, who said he was only 17, but Mr. Harrop remarked that he had been unable find his birth certificate.
He was, however, quite willing to " join the army. "
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1894
Emily Bacon, Gipsy hawker met a young woman, the wife of a labourer, and told her that her future would be full of trouble if she did not part with half-a-crown and some articles of clothing. Having got these, the Zingari undertook to "rule the young woman's planet." But the heavenly body lacks a ruler just now for the Loughhorouph magistrates have sent Emilv Bacon to gaol for two months.
1866
Emily Nowby, alias Bacon, hawker, Selston, was charged by Elizabeth Woodward, of Castle Donington, hawker, with assaulting her Husband, on the 27th Nov. Prisoner admitted the charge, but said she did so under circumstances of great provocation from the complainant. The Bench having heard the evidence of the prosecution, and the filthy language said to be used by each side, dismissed the charge, considering one as bad as the other. —The parties are step-sisters.
If you click on the link that I wrote on the last post above about the grave of Ambrose Bacon you will then find another link, I will put them on below in order, there are three steps you follow, all todo with the grave record and what is wrote on the grave, well you may see then who was the person that wrote the words, these are the links..... first click on this link
http://www.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/rollofhonour/people/Details/24845
then you will see where you can click on this link CWGS. Web Site. It is the commonwealth War Graves Site.http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/4028111/
you will then see where it says.
CWGC ARCHIVE ONLINE (4)
Grave Registration (2)
Headstone (2)
if you click on Headstone (2). you will be able to read what is wrote at the bottom of the grave and who wrote it, this below is what is wrote on that record
"Not forgotten by his loving Brother John and Family"
then it also mentions Johns address. (Mr. J. Bacon Caravan, Burn St., off Garden Lane Sutton.in.Ashfield
https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/4028111/#&gid=null&pid=2
in the link above you will see on the record saying the name Heaps, mentioned at Worksop Sandy lane.
Look on the story below, it is the same name and address. I think John, Ambrose and Charles are Williams and Emily's Sons, was Emily an Elliott, I am sure there is a Gipsy conection with this Family, when and how it starts is yet unknown to me, would anybody please be able to help I will write more records soon, it seems so far William married Emily way back the 1860s, I have several stories of the Smiths Woodwards and Elliotts, all with these Bacons, look again at the Rootschat archive link above, then read all the stories as one on the last page I write, I think I have maybe a few more pages, then I do hope someone will help, also look below at the story with the Boylings and the Bacons
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Nottingham Evening Post Friday 21 February 1936
ALLEGED FALSE PRETENCES AT TIBSHELF.
HIS STORY TO A LOCAL TRADER.
John James Bacon. 53, Hawker, of Garden Lane Burns Street Sutton-in-Ashfield was brought up in custody at Clay Cross to-day and remanded on a charge of attempting to obtain seven pounds by false pretences from George Stanley Clark, at Tibshelf, on February 20th. Bacon visited Mr. Clarks shop and asked to be allowed to leave his kit bag until the following day.
This permission was granted.
Returning to the shop the next morning Bacon opened the bag and took out two rugs, one of which he represented to be a Persian, and the other a Russian. Bear skin, these he offered to sell to Clark for seven pounds. Bacon stated that he was a sailor and had sailed the seven seas, adding that he had been shipwrecked four times. He wished to get back to Liverpool, and was therefore, trying to sell the rugs at considerably less than their value. P.C Kelly who happened to be in the shop at the same time overheard the conversation and being suspicious took Bacon into custody.
Bacon remanded.
Nottingham Evening Post Saturday July 1916
DISCRACFULL SCENES AT HUCKNALL.
HAWKERS FINED.
At the Nottingham Shire Hall today a description was given of a disgraceful scene which was enacted on the Annesley–road at Hucknall, late on Thursday night.
Three men living in caravans. Richard Boyling aged 29, Walter Boyling, 56 and William Bacon 44, Hawkers, of no fixed abode. The defendants had been to the Mansfield Fair they were stated by the Police to have been “mad drunk” when arrested the younger Boyling and Bacon struggled kicked and resisted the officers. Stones and bottles were also thrown, the officers showed signs of having been knocked about. The Boylings were fined 15s. Each, or seven days, for being drunk and disorderly, Bacon one pound 1s, and each of the three was fined two pounds 2s, or 21 days for the assault on the Police, the Chaiman (Mr. G. Fellows), said the Police must be protected from ruffians.
Saturday 26 November 1892 Derbyshire Courier
Chesterfield County Police Courts. This Friday- Charles Bacon of Selston and Richard Elliott, two gipsies who have been camping round Hardwick during the last few days were charged by Mr. George Page, head Gamekeeper for the Hardwick Estate, and before Mr. Carrington with using dogs in the purpose of taking game on Wednesday.
A young woman of Ault. Hucknall. Named Woodbine, deposed to watching the men, they had three dogs and killed two hares.
The prisoners were remanded to the petty sessions
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Tuesday 29 November 1892 Derbyshire Courier
Gipsies Fined for Poaching.
Charles Bacon and Richard Elliott were charged on remand for using dogs for taking hares; at Ault Hucknall- John Wright a farmer said he saw two caravans, together with four men and women with two dogs. He saw the hare run into a field belonging to Holmwood Colliery. The two dogs followed and killed the hare, one of the men picked up the hare.-Mr Middleton, for the defence, pleaded guilty for the charge where Bacon was concerned, but said Elliott took no part what so ever in the matter- Their Worships fined each defendant 1 pound and costs or 14 days imprisonment.
ps... in the previous post on page five about Emily Nowby, alias Bacon, hawker, Selston, the name of the newspaper was the Ilkeston Pioneer-Thursday 29 November 1866 titled the "FEMININE ROW "
on the same post in 1894 was the story about Emily fortune-telling at Loughborough which is just south of Nottingham, the paper is the Cornishmen- Thursday 6 December 1894, titled the "SEERESS".
The 1901 census shows Charles Bacon aged 30, b Selston, Notts, a coal miner, living at Wilson's Fields Caravan with his wife Charlotte. Charlotte was aged 42 and was born in Barrow-on-Soar, Leics.
In 1891 Charles was living at "Caravan, Sand Hill", Worksop with his parents William and Emily and siblings including a sister named Parthenia.
1881 census RG11 3323 Folio 72 page 20
Charles Bacon with siblings inc Parthinia living with grandparent Harry Bacon widower 61 a farmer of 13 acres at Selston born Essex
William Bacon 40 labourer born London with wife Emily 38 born Selston.
1871 census RG10 3479 folio 54 page 27 Selston
Boffits Farm - Henry Bacon 51 farmer wife Hannah 61 granddaughter Hannah 2
1861 census RG9 2432 folio 11 page 18 Selston
Dog Kennels - Henry Bacon 41 farmer 20 acres. wife Hannah 50
William Bacon son 19 un farmers son
Marriage 1867 William Bacon March quarter 7b 263
on the same page Emily Elliot
Marriage William Bacon 1869 Dec Quarter 7b 251 Basford
on the same page Emily Frost . This I think is favourite
see 1861 census RG9 2503 folio 108 page 12
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This Charlotte is a mystery. There's only one Charlotte b Barrow on Soar in 1858/9 and I've followed her through the census from 1861 under her single and married names as far as 1891 just after she married her 2nd husband. No trace of her death and no trace of a Charlotte born ca 1858 in Barrow in the 1901 census, apart from this Charlotte Bacon who doesn't appear anywhere else. I'm wondering if she left her husband and went off with this younger man and they weren't married........
The 1911 census shows her still living with this Charles Bacon as his wife, this time as a Van Dweller on Waste Ground at Hawthorn Street, Nottingham. It states they've been married for 17 years, which would make it around 1894. There are a couple of marriages for a Charles Bacon in '93 and '94 but I can't check the spouse, and if this is the same woman then I think her husband was still alive anyway! If I've found the right person then he appears to be in both the 1901 and 1911 censuses, lodging in his home county of Warwickshire and stating that he's married.
There are 10 Charles BACON marriages scattered around the country in 1893 and 1894.
The only one with Charlotte for a wife was in June 1894.
Paddington ref 1a 50
She was Charlotte Lizzie GIBBONS.
in this link below from the Rootschat archives the people are talking about the Bacons first coming from down the south, can anyone help in confirming that these researchers are not getting the Bacons on the records they find mixed up, I have found several Bacons with the same name in the same time scale and locations, will there be anyone who can confirm these records below relate to the People I am researching , what I mean is did the Bacons first come from down the south, is there anyone who would help
The 1901 census shows Charles Bacon aged 30, b Selston, Notts, a coal miner, living at Wilson's Fields Caravan with his wife Charlotte. Charlotte was aged 42 and was born in Barrow-on-Soar, Leics.
In 1891 Charles was living at "Caravan, Sand Hill", Worksop with his parents William and Emily and siblings including a sister named Parthenia.
1881 census RG11 3323 Folio 72 page 20
Charles Bacon with siblings inc Parthinia living with grandparent Harry Bacon widower 61 a farmer of 13 acres at Selston born Essex
William Bacon 40 labourer born London with wife Emily 38 born Selston.
1871 census RG10 3479 folio 54 page 27 Selston
Boffits Farm - Henry Bacon 51 farmer wife Hannah 61 granddaughter Hannah 2
1861 census RG9 2432 folio 11 page 18 Selston
Dog Kennels - Henry Bacon 41 farmer 20 acres. wife Hannah 50
William Bacon son 19 un farmers son
Marriage 1867 William Bacon March quarter 7b 26on the same page Emily Elliot
The 1911 census shows her still living with this Charles Bacon as his wife, this time as a Van Dweller on Waste Ground at Hawthorn Street, Nottingham. It states they've been married for 17 years, which would make it around 1894. There are a couple of marriages for a Charles Bacon in '93 and '94 but I can't check the spouse, and if this is the same woman then I think her husband was still alive anyway! If I've found the right person then he appears to be in both the 1901 and 1911 censuses, lodging in his home county of Warwickshire and stating that he's married.
Tuesday 02 March 1920
Nottingham Evening Post
A BASFORD APPOINTMENT
... Defense. Mr. H. B. Clayton said Bacon was a demobilized soldier who had been wounded and gassed and could not follow his employment as a miner. Was only able to earn about a pound a week as a scrap iron dealer. The cause of the trouble was Mrs. Bacon's betting
Wednesday 03 March 1920
Nottingham Journal
HER THREE HUSBANDS
Unusual matrimonial tangle Charlotte Bacon, Meadows, Nottingham, charged her husband, Charles Bacon, Hawthorne street, Nottingham, with desertion Mr. R. A. Young
she was married to a man named Black, who died she then married a man named Storer
Tuesday 02 March 1920
Nottingham Evening Post
A BASFORD APPOINTMENT
... Magistrates the Nottingham Summons Court today, when Charlotte Bacon, 66, Cremorne-street, applied for maintenance order on the grounds of desertion against her husband, Charles Bacon, 51, of Hawthorne-street, Meadows. Mr. R. A. Young, for the applicant said she was married to a man named Black, and he died in 1889. Shortly after she married a man named Storer, and he left her.
This all above is how i found out about the Bacons, i am sure they are apart of the Great Gipsy Family, i am sure to several of the Bacons would of been involved with the times of the Great War, there will be many names of Gipsies that i have not found so if you know of other Gipsy people please put their names on here so their relatives and people of the future will be able to know of their storys.
GIPSIES
ROLL OF HONOUR
WORLD WAR ONE
28 July 1914 – 11 November 1918.
AMBROSE BACON.
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I'll add this man a 1916 Victoria Cross Winner for Bravery when he was just 19 years old.
John ‘Jack’ Cunningham son of Charles Cunningham (a licensed pot hawker ) and Mary Ann (nee Cunningham),
Born 28 June 1897 in Scunthorpe, North Lincolnshire, England
Passed 21 February 1941
His family was of Romani gypsy heritage
He married an Eva Harrison
He returned home from WW1
https://www.itv.com/news/calendar/2016-11-13/remembrance-sunday-services-honour-regions-heroes/
He is buried with his parents Charles (1860 -1949) and Mary Ann Cunningham (1863 -1932 ) and also his brother Matthew Cunningham (1900 - 1951) in Hull at the Western Cemetery.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/154036903/charles-cunningham
He had 6 brothers? Possibly?
https://www.proudgypsytraveller.co.uk/2016/10/07/1182/
Charles Cunningham (a licensed pot hawker ) and Mary Ann (nee Cunningham) were married in 1881 at Westgate in Rotherham.
http://vconline.org.uk/john-cunningham-1916-vc/4586316675
The location of this marriage makes me think there may have been a daughter Jane Cunningham that was 3 years old who died after caravan fire in 1891 in Dudley park at Rotherham hospital. (death registered at the GRO and there was an inquest). Jane Cunningham born about c 1888. Father was Charles Cunningham, a pot hawker.
GIPSIES
ROLL OF HONOUR
WORLD WAR ONE
28 July 1914 – 11 November 1918.
JOHN 'JACK' CUNNINGHAM VC
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Hi Mel
Yes another great Gipsy man never to be forgot, i have found lots of information about the Cunninghams, some of the story's about John Jack are very sad, i think some of his relatives are also in the war, i will try and put them on to if i find them, i am trying to find more about the Bacon's first before i move on and put more names down, i think there were two Ambrose Bacon's in the war from up my way, one died and one lived on, through the records i have found i think to that Charles Bacon who i think is Charles Henry Bacon, well i think he to was in the war, in one of the records he finds him-self in, it is stated he was gassed in the trenchers during the war.
Tuesday 02 March 1920
Nottingham Evening Post
... Defense. Mr. H. B. Clayton said Bacon was a demobilized soldier who had been wounded and gassed.....
I think he was the son of William and Emily, i do not want to move on to fast and leave them behind, so now with your help we have more names to had to the Gipsies Roll of Honour. Thank you also for putting the information on about the family and life of John ‘Jack’ Cunningham this is the reason for these pages, they should be remembered, not just a name on a record that grows old then fades, then no one ever knows nothing of them or the very hard times of the war yeares, they want to be known, they want people to hear the truth, i will put much more on soon of the great Gipsy dead that live on forever, all of them, i know many will not be found, through reading these words though, many more people will search out and find the ones that will need to be free, they all will be found, everyone will know of them as time comes to us. No matter who they are big names or names not known, massive Gipsy heritage or a very young family, names that live on, names that have died out, no matter, they all will make these pages that Honour the Gipsies that time will not forget.
GIPSIES
ROLL OF HONOUR
WORLD WAR ONE
28 July 1914 – 11 November 1918.
JOHN 'JACK' CUNNINGHAM VC
AMBROSE BACON
CHARLES BACON
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Tuesday 02 March 1920
Nottingham Evening Post
A BASFORD APPOINTMENT
... Defense. Mr. H. B. Clayton said Bacon was a demobilized soldier who had been wounded and gassed and could not follow his employment as a miner. Was only able to earn about a pound a week as a scrap iron dealer. The cause of the trouble was Mrs. Bacon's betting
This is interesting, looking in the "British Army medal index cards 1914-1920" I wonder if this could be the Charles Bacon you mention
Medal card of Bacon, Charles. Corps: Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire Regiment. Regiment No: 7576. Rank: Private.
War Office: Service Medal and Award Rolls Index, First World War. A'Alezu - Barnes C E. Medal card of Bacon, Charles. Corps Regiment No Rank Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire Regiment 7576 Private. Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire Regiment 269355 Private. Royal Engineers 487957 Private.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D1103104
Being a Miner before the war, he would have had extra skills in tunneling ....
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I think there were two Ambrose Bacon's in the war from up my way, one died and one lived on
Looking in the "British Army medal index cards 1914-1920 there seems to be only one Ambrose Bacon and that is the one that died as the service number matches
Medal card of Bacon, Ambrose
Corps Regiment No Rank
Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire Regiment 59552 Private
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D1102930
So not sure if there was another one, maybe? Always possible some men left off?
I think your thread is a great idea, as it is hard to prove the service of these men, pretty much you need to find evidence of living in caravans or no fixed abode to prove Roma/Traveller heritage
Not many of them have been researched!
Could be a long thread
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Helo Mel
Thank you for your writings, i have more information on Ambrose and the other Bacon's, i will put it all on soon, i have been looking hard to find things to put on for the relatives of John Cunningham, i would like to find as many people as i can and also just put up a few words for each person who in some way went through the war years, i want to help people to understand the truth and learn about the Genealogy history of their family, i may gets things wrong at times but i try with a good heart to help people who look for people connected to the Gipsies that in some way ended up in the war in any sort of way, there was two Ambrose Bacon's i am sure, maybe three, they all lived in vans, i will show you soon and then maybe you may be able to help me, you are a good writer and a fine person, well done for being you, i will next write a few words for the relatives of John Cunningham then write for the relatives of the Bacons, then i will write of a great man named Scamp, he will be next after the Bacon's, i have found lots of names i do not know what happened to them in the war, did they die or did they live, well some lived for i think i have found story's after the war of some of them, anyway thank you again for your kind guidance, i am writing mostly for the dead people, if the relatives like the things i find that is good but mostly i write for the dead, i understand all of them, everything of the past i understand, lots of things i find some people if not all are frightend of the truth and these things of the past, i think sometimes people of today wish to live in a dream of the past, if you are proud you should be proud of the truth, i will write back maybe next week with what i have found.
michael
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John Cunningham it is wrote had two brother who also in some way ended up in the war, one was turned away for being to young i do not know if he later went back in the army, the other one was just trying to get on with his life the best way he could but he was taken away to be in the army like lots of people in those times, if anybody who reads these words goes on the link to the Dan Boswell thread at the beginning of these post you may read lots of the writings i wrote explaining what went on and why, i may rewrite some words at the end of this reseach to help people to know how the Gipsy people were treated very hard back the times of the war, i do not think the truth as ever been told, the three Cunninghams are now along with Ambrose and Charles Bacon on the.....
GIPSIES
ROLL OF HONOUR
WORLD WAR ONE
28 July 1914 – 11 November 1918.
THOMAS CUNNINGHAM
MATHEW CUNNINGHAM
JOHN 'JACK' CUNNINGHAM VC
AMBROSE BACON
CHARLES BACON
Wednesday 17 January 1917
Newcastle Journal
From Pot Hawker to V.C. There was much satisfaction expressed Hull at the award, already announced in The Journal, of the Victoria Cross Private John. Cunningham, East Yorkshire Regiment, youth nineteen. He is a member a family well-known throughout the East Riding as a pot hawker. Prior to the war Young Cunningham assisted his parents and travelled with them from village to village in their caravan. When on the last home leave Cunningham related how he went alone to the enemy communication trench. and killed with bombs a party of ten enemy soldiers. and also fetched in Germans, who begged for mercy when they saw him come back with fresh of bombs, and added “that he always liked a bit sport.”
Monday 15 January 1917
Globe
The Gallant East Yorkshireman, Pte. John Cunningham, who has won the V.C. for charging a trench single-handed and killing ten Germans, is only 19 years old. He belongs to Hull Kitchener battalion and lives in Edgar-street, in that city. He was 17 when he Joined the East Yorkshires, and his brother Matthew enlisted at the same time, but being only 15, was afterwards discharged. Before the war Cunningham was a hawker. When home on his last leave the hero told the story of the act for which has been awarded the V.C., and said he also brought in 90 Germans. Who begged for mercy when they saw him come back with a fresh supply of bombs. He added “that he always liked a bit of sport.”
Friday 21 December 1923
Sheffield Daily Telegraph
COLONEL APPEAL LOR HULL V.C. Jack Cunningham, the Hull V.C., who follows the occupation of a hawker, was summoned before the County Magistrates at Hull, for leaving his horse and cart unattended.
Monday 20 May 1918
Nottingham Journal
NOTTINGHAM MAN ABRESTED AS A DESERTER. Thomas Cunningham, described as. native of Nottingham, and brother of Private John Cunningham, a Hull V.C., charged Hull, on Saturday, with haying been an absentee from the Army since November. Lieutenant Griffith ...
the National Service representative, said that the defendant who is 34, and a
general dealer had been travelling about the country, and the authorities had had considerable trouble in tracing him. His V.C. brother was in a London hospital, wounded; and his parents, travelling hawkers, were present in-court. The policeman who arrested Cunningham said that in reply to the charge declared: “ I am going when I have tipped this load of iron”. Cunningham was remanded for escort.
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When i started to first look for information about relatives as it is stated, well i know it is very hard to find things and not many people try to help you, i have learned so much that proved everything that i was told of the past, all the Gipsy people of the past had a very hard life but they were hard with it, very proud and knowledgeable to this game that we call life, i respect them all, i have just tryed my best to find a few writings that may connect the Cunninghams of the war yeares to the past, inturn also helping their relatives of today, they are a great Gipsy family, i have found lots but only will put these few things on that may connect them, i was trying to find out about them dealing in china and pots like the proud Cunninghams of the war yeares, i know they would of also of done lots of things but pot hawking they sure did like, i may have some things wrong but i hope these words of the Cunninghams of the past will help the relatives of today.
Everything below are just extracts.
michael
Thursday 26 November 1908
Sheffield Evening Telegraph
Pot, Brick, Glass, Crash! The Stipendiary had to deal with two people who were charged with breaking glass panels in doors. Both the cases came from West Bar Green. Benjamin Cunningham, a pot hawker, of Garden Street.
Monday 11 June 1894
Yorkshire Evening Post
A Gipsy's Death near Harrogate.—Early on Sunday morning Jas. Cunningham, pot hawker, of no fixed residence, died somewhat suddenly in his travelling van about a mile from Beckwithshaw, near Harrogate.
Saturday 08 January 1881
Nottingham Journal
Thomas Cunningham, 23, potter, and Joseph Cunningham, were charged with stealing a quantity of majolica ware Crowle, on the September. Acquitted.
Friday 11 November 1870
Nottinghamshire Guardian
near Pontefract, by which a poor woman met with her death at the hands of her husband It appears that a pot hawker named James Cunningham, aged 35 years, resided with his wife Jane, of the same age, at Greenhouses, Knottinley.
Saturday 07 July 1866
Chester Chronicle
Henry Cunningham, earthenware dealer of West Hartlepool, committed suicide on Sunday afternoon by cutting his throat during his wife's absence.
Saturday 20 April 1850
Leeds Intelligencer
James Cunningham, itinerant pot dealer from Staffordshire, was placed in the dock at the Guildhall...
Saturday 06 September 1845
Yorkshire Gazette
Death by Bathing at Whitby.—A person named John Cunningham, dealer in pots, belonging to the neighbourhood of Kirby Moorside, was drowned in Whitby Harbour on Wednesday afternoon.
Thursday 11 January 1838
Bradford Observer
COURT-HOUSE. Friday — The Tables Turned. —Mary Howard was charged by Henry Cunningham, with stealing his watch. The parties are both dealers in pots.
Friday 28 November 1834
Durham County Advertiser
—Same day and place, Jane, wife of Mr James Cunningham, dealer in glass and earthenware, aged 26. Sherburn House, near this city…..
Saturday 28 April 1821
Yorkshire Gazette
RECOGNIZANCES. EAST-RiDiNG of the County of York. THE following Persons having entered into Recognizances to Appear and Answer.
Thomas Cunningham, of Norton, hawker, for the appearance of himself and Mary, his wife.
Saturday 15 November 1783
Newcastle Chronicle
Northumberland,
DESCRIPTION. Two Men who are much of having been particularly in this Burglary, Names are Robert and Henry Cunningham, who are now lodged in Durham Goal for that Offence the other two who are their Accomplices are at Liberty; their Names are James Greg’s and Geo. Patterson.—Gregs about 30 Years of Age James travels about the Country as a Tinker or a Potter. (who is to one of the Cunninghams) Conviction of any of the Gang, a Reward of TWENTY GUINEAS is hereby offered to be paid upon such of the Conviction of any one or more of them.
Saturday 26 January 1782
Newcastle Courant
Northumberland,
January 10th. 1782 THREE PERSONS (Part of a Gang of Thieves) in PRISON here. A Man who calls himself HENRY CUNNINGHAM, appears about years 5 f 9 high a dark swarthy complexion, thin faced, has black full eyes, long black rough hair wounds healing and scars , missing fingers... He says he was born at Wigton. Cumberland, Pitman, but for the last ten years has travelled the country, and sold earthen pots and mugs in summer, and coopered and mended lamhorns in winter. His principal residence hath of late been at Bishops Auckland
Fri 24 May 1751
Derby Mercury
General Howard's Regiment of Dragoons, since they have been quartered at Norwich, have taken the following Smugglers within three Months. Robert Young, alias Catchpole, Galloway Tom, John and William Cunningham, and Clark, alias Plunder. The two Cunningham's, and another Brother not yet taken, are charged with being concerned in plundering and robbing .
Fri 25 Mar 1748
Derby Mercury
Robert Cunningham, a notorious Smuggler, was committed to Newgate by Thomas Burdus, Esq; for being concerned in robbing the Custom House at Poole on the 7th of October last.
Sat 11 Aug 1739
Newcastle Courant
Northumberland,
Committed to Morpeth Jail William Cunningham, and Mary Wilson, otherwise Cunningham, are commuted to the Said prison, on Suspicion of Murder.
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I would be quite interesting to know which one of John 'Jack' Cunnigham's brothers this article was writen about:
"RISKED LIFE FOR OTHERS. SCUNTHORPE PRESENTATION TO V.C.'S BROTHER. (FROM OUR OWN CORRESPONDENT The part played by Scunthorpe man in assisting to save the lives of his brother and two other men
Tuesday 03 June 1930
Hull Daily Mail
"RISKED LIFE FOR OTHERS
timber struck his brother, Joe, and two other men working on a steel girder 95 feet above the ground. They were in danger of falling, when Cunningham rushed across a 23-inch plank, helped pull them to safety, and then carried his brother"
Tuesday 03 June 1930
Hull Daily Mail
You'd have to be brave to work 95 feet above ground
So was there a Joseph Cunnigham amongst the brothers too? Maybe?
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Hi Mel
The brother in the story is named Fred, so there were many brothers of John, many of them live in the same area in Hull, lots of Cunninghams in the same street, i wander how many of the Cunninghams went to the war, if you find any Cunninghams from Hull in the war records there is a good chance they will be related to John, these below are more extracts of how people can use these records to locate their relatives and learn the bigger picture of the times of which they lived, the Cunninghams are without dout a great family rich in history, i have found many many records of them, i would suggest any relatives who read these words must sign up straight away to the newspaper archives and research the Cunninghams, they are to me a great Gipsy family, i have found marriage, birth and death records over the yeares and many story's that to bring in more names that will help all who research the Cunninghams, after the war John Cunningham as a rough old time of it, i am sure from what i have been reading the war yeares played their part in sculpturing out his later yeares, i may put story's on about his life after the war, or i may just leave it there for his relatives to find, they must join the newspaper archives and find what i have been reading, i will next talk of the Bacon's, i must talk for them to find answers about the war, then i will move on to the next Gipsy Hero, his name is Scamp, the Gipsy from the South.
Extracts.
Tuesday 03 June 1930
Hull Daily Mail
"was recognised at Crosby Council School, Scunthorpe, on Monday, when a gold medal, subscribed for by the teachers and past and present scholars, was presented by Alderman R. Jones, J.P., to Fred Cunningham (27), of Berkeley-street, Scunthorpe. In February this year, Cunningham was working on a building in course of erection on the Dorchester House site, London when a piece of falling timber struck his brother, Joe.......... Cunningham is brother of private John Cunningham, the Scunthorpe, V.C."
Wednesday 21 May 1930
Hull Daily Mail
LEAD STOLEN AT HESSLE
... After being remanded for seven days from the last East Court, Charles and Frank Cunningham, brothers, of Edgar-street, hessle-road, and Thomas Cunningham (19), a cousin, Williams-place, again appeared at East Riding Court to-day...
Tuesday 21 November 1933
Hull Daily Mail
Mr Daniel Cunningham, an uncle of Private John Cunningham, the only Scunthorpe-born V.C., and well known in Hull, has died at his home, Sheffield Street, Scunthorpe, at the age 76. Mr Cunningham was a hawker by trade.
Wednesday 24 May 1933
Hull Daily Mail
The Mail is asked to state that the Charles Cunningham who admitted breaking a window in a recent court case, which John Cunningham, the Hull V.C., was fined £1, is not his brother but a more distant relation of the family...
Tuesday 16 May 1933
Hull Daily Mail
... HULL MAN INJURED Said to have sustained his injuries as the result of a fight in Adelaide-street, Hull, last night, Irwin George, aged 30, of the Boulevard, is the nephew of Jack Cunningham, Hull.....
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http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/british-army-medal-index-cards-1914-1920/
There are 19 men with the surname Scamp that were awarded medals for defending the British empire in WW1. I wonder how many were of Romany origin
Alfred Riley Scamp (L/8117) and his brother Samuel Scamp (2946) have been well researched ...
http://www.eastsussexww1.org.uk/gypsy-traveller-community-ww1/
But what about the others?
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Hi Mel
Thanyou for the names that you have put up, i did say first i wanted to find out about the Bacon's, i am sure there was at least two Ambrose's, i will put up some of the records next then hopefully their relations may use what i find and discover what i have not, the Gipsy who's name was Scamp from WW1 who i was talking about is Riley, in your posts they say he died in the War, there must have been a few for i have seen a record of Riley dieing in the 1920s, the Riley i found may be a different Scamp to the Alfred Riley Scamp you found, i will put everything i have found about the Scamps on soon, i have been looking at thousands of records these last few weeks. These below are a few of the records of Riley Scamp, i have been researching storey's about the war for a few yeares, from what i have found people of today are blind to the past, i will try my best to talk for the Dead Gipsies so people of today realise the truth of the past.
Saturday 08 October 1927
Thanet Advertiser
Kent.... every record below just EXTRACTS
Familiar figure passes
Riley Scamp dead
Scamp, the well-known scissor and knife-grinder, who had for so many years quietly plied his trade in Ramsgate, had passed. Riley Scamp—he was was one of the most Unobtrusive men you was ever to meet.. He through life doing his job efficiently and without any noise, save just the winning on the wheel as in response to the pedal movement, the grindstone revolved and the knife that prior to treatment would not in the common phrase cut butter, and the scissors which had caused many “Drat it!” in a humble British home were with payment of a modest fee, returned to their owners like a new razor blade. The death of Riley Scamp recalls the events of the triangular election……………..
Saturday 10 February 1917
Folkestone, Hythe, Sandgate & Cheriton Herald
Kent
AN ABSENTEE.—At the Police Court on Saturday, before Mr. E. T. Ward (in the chair), and Mr. H. Kirke, Riley Scamp was charged on remand with being an absentee under the Military Service Act.—P.C. Styles and Sergt Young, of “The Buffs” having given evidence, prisoner was handed over to the military authorities.
Saturday 03 February 1917
Folkestone, Hythe, Sandgate & Cheriton Herald
Kent
ALLEGED ABSENTEE—At the Folkestone Bench, yesterday, before Alderman G. Spurgen and other Magistrates, Riley Scamp pleaded not guilty to being an absentee under the Military Service Act. P.C. Styles stated that on the previous day he arrested prisoner at a gipsy camp near the Isolation Hospital. He stated that he had been attested in Essex, but had no papers and no registration card. —At the request of the Chief Constable, prisoner was remanded until Wednesday.
Saturday 04 October 1879
Thanet Advertiser
Kent
Gilderoy Scamp, and Riley Scamp, father and son, were summoned for refusing to quit a licensed premises, on the 27 th of Sept. Gilderoy Scamp pleaded not guilty, and Riley Scamp guilty.—Mr. John Ball, landlord the Elington Arms, stated that the defendants were in his house “off and on” all the day in question. In the evening, he thought they had sufficient and he refused to serve them with any more. He then requested them to leave, but they refused to go. He afterwards got them outside of the house, but was obliged to close his house for about one hour in order to keep them out.—Eliza Godfrey, the barmaid, corroborated.—The defendants had nothing to say in answer to the charge.—The oldest defendant was fined 2s. 6d., and lls. costs, or 14 days, and Riley Scamp was fined Is., and 10s, costs, or 10 days imprisonment
I will write everything of the record storey's of the Scamps after the writings of the Bacon's. So next i will finish my writings in the research of Ambrose Bacon who died in WW1 and Charles Bacon who was gassed in the trenchers, who they all are and where they come from and what is their real name or names i do not know, i do hope thoe that these researchers into the Gipsy people of WW1 helps people of today and the future to realise the truth and see the struggle they went through from being captured and taken away sometimes to die, you just would not believe all the truths i have read from these times, i hope to bring the truth up for all the Dead Gipsy People who no ones bothers to speak right for.
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The story first started about the Bacon's when i read that they stopped at Hawthorne Street the Meadows Nottingham on the camping ground where the Smiths and Wilsher Families that i was reseaching sometimes stopped, i then read this below from the journals of the Gipsy society, thomson was refering to the Bacon's.
AFFAIRS OF EGYPT 1909
By Thompson
These notes are compiled almost entirely from the large volume weighing seven pounds of Press cuttings collected by the Society's Honorary Secretary On March 15 some so called Gypsies were evicted from a camping ground in Hawthorne Street, Nottingham.
So i thought who are the Bacon's, this thompson says they are so-called Gipsies. Well they seem to be connected to a few Gipsy families, they could of come from the South, they may not be Bacon's, they could of married a Gipsy famly and took to the road, but i dont know what the real truth is, i will do my own best to find it.
The 1901 census shows Charles Bacon aged 30, b Selston, Notts, a coal miner, living at Wilson's Fields Caravan with his wife Charlotte. Charlotte was aged 42 and was born in Barrow-on-Soar, Leics.
In 1891 Charles was living at "Caravan, Sand Hill", Worksop with his parents William and Emily and siblings including a sister named Parthenia.
1881 census RG11 3323 Folio 72 page 20
Charles Bacon with siblings inc Parthinia living with grandparent Harry Bacon widower 61 a farmer of 13 acres at Selston born Essex
William Bacon 40 labourer born London with wife Emily 38 born Selston.
1871 census RG10 3479 folio 54 page 27 Selston
Boffits Farm - Henry Bacon 51 farmer wife Hannah 61 granddaughter Hannah 2
1861 census RG9 2432 folio 11 page 18 Selston
Dog Kennels - Henry Bacon 41 farmer 20 acres. Wife Hannah 50
William Bacon son 19 farmer’s son
Saturday 02 September 1905
Grantham Journal
Lincolnshire
—Fined John Smith, alias William Bacon, Ambrose Bacon, Charles Bacon, and George Garratt, gipsies, Cremorne-ground, Nottingham, were summoned..........(Cremorne-ground is right next to Hawthorne Street or maybe it was one and the same)
Friday 13 November 1914
Mansfield Reporter
Nottinghamshire
A SUCCESSFUL ALIBI.—An alibi was set up as the defence in a case in which Ambrose Bacon. Aged 15. who lives in a van with his father at Sutton, was summoned for stealing a purse,
Nottingham evening post Wednesday 14 June 1916
WORK-SHY & UNREGISTERED.
GRAVE CHARGES AGAINST NOTTINGHAM YOUTHS.
Two described as van-dwellers, were remanded at the Nottingham Shire Hall this morning upon charges of having obtained money by false pretences. In the case of the first defendant, William Smith, the Deputy Chief constable said he was unattested and unregistered. The other defendant was a youth named Ambrose Bacon, who said he was only 17, but Mr. Harrop remarked that he had been unable find his birth certificate.
He was, however, quite willing to " join the army. "
Private BACON, AMBROSE
Service Number 59552
Died 17/08/1917
Aged 31
16th Bn.
Sherwood Foresters (Notts and Derby Regiment)
Son of William and Emily Bacon, of Meadows, Nottingham.
INSCRIPTION
NOT FORGOTTEN BY HIS LOVING BROTHER JOHN AND FAMILY
then it also mentions Johns address. (Mr. J. Bacon Caravan, Burn St., off Garden Lane Sutton.in.Ashfield
Ilkeston Pioneer
Thursday 29 November 1866
"FEMININE ROW "
Emily Nowby, alias Bacon, hawker, Selston, was charged by Elizabeth Woodward, of Castle Donington, hawker, with assaulting her Husband, on the 27th Nov. Prisoner admitted the charge, but said she did so under circumstances of great provocation from the complainant. The Bench having heard the evidence of the prosecution, and the filthy language said to be used by each side, dismissed the charge, considering one as bad as the other. —The parties are stepsister's.
From these stories below there must have been a few Ambrose Bacons…….. all record just extracts.
Friday 08 July 1921
Mansfield Reporter
Nottinghamshire
MANSFIELD PETTY SESSIONS
—Ambrose Bacon, Sutton in-Ashfield, admitted to being drunk and disorderly at sutton
Friday 16 December 1921
Sheffield Daily Telegraph
South Yorkshire
... Edward Elliott and Ambrose Bacon, living in a van in Lindley's Yard. Marsh Gate, were charged at the Doncaster Borough Court, yesterday, with attempting to obtain £4 by false pretences from Oliver Edward Bunting, licensee of the Salutation Hotel.
Wednesday 24 May 1939
Nottingham Journal
NOTTINGHAM MAN FINED A Nottingham dealer, Ambrose Bacon, was charged at Melton Petty Sessions yesterday with driving a motor car and trailer without due care and attention at the Sea grave crossroad's. Thrussington.
Thursday 10 February 1944
Nottingham Evening Post
Nottinghamshire
SUTTON COUPLE IN COURT
... COURT Sequel To Police And Military Visit John Bacon and his wife, Emma, residing at Coombs-yard, Sutton-in-Ashfield, were at Mansfield, to-day, summoned for aiding and assisting their two sons, Ambrose and Wm. Bacon, members of the R.A.F., to desert.
I will next try and write everything i have found regarding the Bacon's, the people they are with and the people they are related to, the places they travelled to and stayed at, who they are and where they came from, who was from the Gipsies or anything rearly, then i will write of the Scamps from the South.
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I have just updated the Roll of Honour, with the Gipsies that Mel found and also William Smith who was with Ambrose Bacon in one of the records, i am sure he went to war to, if anybody can add to the list of these i think it would be a fine thing todo, if i find any information on the Genealogy of any of the Gipsy people that others find i will write the records up for there relatives who look for more than just a name on a cold piece of stone or hidden away old papers dusted with time, i have found so many people who are in no way related to a single Gipsy who themselves suffered the same plight as that of some of the Gipsies of who i talk of, it looks like to me that the truth was kept away from the public as in historical teachings, after the first wave of casualties in their thousands the government was very desperate and went looking for more soldiers from just everyday types of people, people that they used to victimise, people who were getting on in life and not rearly up to it were also targeted as the body count rose, people of the times i speak of who saw with their own eyes soldiers going away and never coming back must of thought what the hell was all this for, Mothers were trying to hide their sons, the government changed there age requirement's and several other different categories so as to be able to get more people to the front line, they were evan fighting in an old fashion way that they used to use in the 1800s, they just made thousands of men charge the enemy, the trouble was this tactic was used against swords yeares ago now they made men and boys run straight at machine guns, it was told by the German gun men that their guns would glow hot from the thousands of bullets that they pumped into the soldiers that were ordered to charge and get cut to threads, my pals Father who now is in his nineties told of a story from an older man he new who was in the trenchers, this man told how he and his brother survived the war by listening to the noise of the machine guns, he said the officer in charge would sound the charge for hundreds of men and boys to climb out and over the trenchers and attack the German lines the guns would then mow everybody down cut to bits but if you listened as best you could a person could follow the sway of the machine guns, so as they made a bussing or some kind of noise you would know that they was shooting in a wave like left to right and the noise would sound slightly different, he said this is how they saved there own life, at the moment the noise of the guns were just going to the left or right they would jump up and run forwards then hide down again, i will write up much more soon
Gipsies
Roll of Honour
Worled War One
28 July 1914 – 11 November 1918.
Thomas Cunningham
Mathew Cunningham
John Jack Cunningham VC
Ambrose Bacon
Charles Bacon
Samuel Brazil
Sidney Harris MM
Abraham Keat
David Keet
Benjamin Lee
Abraham Ripley
Abraham Ripley
Alfred Riley Scamp
Samuel Scamp
Riley Scamp
Silvester Gordon Boswell
John Cole
William Smith
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right then, did you know that we as a people did not want to enter the war, who knows that, no one ok, so lets travel back, there was the talk of home rule, what about all the kings and queens of all the lands, well hold up a bit, look, all the major countrys of ww1 had a vested innerest in africa and the larger worled as in lets get as much in our pockets as we can, but the irish question,well, the germans was doing as the germans do, fair play they are hard as they come, but in this land they asked the army old generals to go and make sure that if they give home rule to the irish that no one will course trouble, but the thing is that in the north of ireland there was thousands of scottish setterlas, and in ireland itself from hundreds of yeares many english gentery were inbeded in grand houses and owned land, well when the germans wanted to rule europe the english thought their empire would be taken over but their own generals said that they would not fight against the british landlords in ireland, so when the germans invaded belgium, it was a kind of excuse to forget about the irish home rule problem, well then becourse we had a treaty with Belgium from the times of napolian, we said we would attack the germans, evan thoe they was our relatives, if we had kept out there would have been a united ireland and no i.r.a. instead we are now debating the brexit question, if germany had won the war that would have been what the remainers wanted, that would have been the E.U. anyway anough of the history lesson, lets show respect for all the Dead Gipsy People that no one wants to rest, so now we will continue with the truth
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So now its time to move on, first, i will tell of the great Scamps, then after the Scamps i will look for the Decons, i have come across many records of the peoples who are known as being apart of the British Gipsy family, there storys are untold, i have been reading and researching about the first world war, what i have found is we as a nation at first wanted no part in the conflict, then when we did enter we had the smallest of armies, they were great fighting soldiers most got compleatly wiped out very soon by the vastness of the mighty Germans, then we had the reserve type of army that we sent they got butcherd to, then we had the Kitcheners army, the ones who answered the call, you have all seen the old posters of how your country needs you, these were the pals regiments, also somtimes known as the chums regiment, these to got blasted away over time, what was left was bits and pieses of all these, the war would be lost so now they considered conscription, the other countrys had already done this, it was apart of mobilisation, thats what you do before you declare war, in the begining a person for reasons of age or job disciption could become what is known as exempt, everyone else though of fighting age had to go, do not forget back in British Towns and Viligers people had seen all the men go of to war and never retern, why would a person want to go when you new you was going to die, the military police serounded picture houses and football grounds to find men, this became known as the "roundup" as more died the goverment changed the age limit and exemtion details several times for every time they sent out men they got killed, in the end the war was won by the fighting soldiers that never signed up to go in the first place, not anough truth as been wrote i think, everyone should be proud of all the people who ended up in battle, i am trying to find them
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I wonder if this group were all related
Alfred Scamp East Kent Regiment L/8117 Pte
Charles Scamp East Kent Regiment 2960 Pte (born 1893?)
Gilderoy Scamp East Kent Regiment 204082 (born 1881?)
Solomon Scamp East Kent Regiment SR/10386 (born 1892)
W R Scamp East Kent Regiment 204080 Pte
*FindMyPast suggests that Gilderoy Scamp East Kent Regiment 204082 was born in 1881 and that he was a Prisoner of War.
*FindMyPast suggest that Solomon Scamp East Kent Regiment SR/10386 was born in 1892 and that he was a Prisoner of War. This mans medal card also say his first theatre of war was France, he was a special reserve used to bring the battalion up the strenght whe others were injured.
I'd say Gilderoy and Solomon should both be included as they are listed as known gypsies on the Scamp thread by Cathayb
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=332370.9
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Hi Mel
Good to hear from you, thank you very much for trying to help all the long gone Gipsy peoples, they will know of you forever, thank you very much you are a kind person, i have updated the Gipsies Roll of Honour to show your words, also now Henry Deacon wants to signe up, of course He is most welcome to join this outlawed lost band of soldiers of fighting high repute, did you know i have found records of councils of England at the times of the first world war talking and trying to evict Gipsies from land and calling them all kinds of rotten names, then in the same papers in the same times and the same locations they have the police taking away Gipsies to fight for English freedom, how mad is that, the rotten sods of traitors themselves, they all have treated the Gipsies with comtempt yet evan as they kick them down they charged them to fight for the freedom to be kicked down, this is the truth, to many Gipsies of today and people with Gipsy ancestry plus everyone else do not know the truth, firstly there are lots of Gipsies, all this you are only married in and we are the real ones is just the devils talk, i will be back to talk the truth, people have been conned by bad historians, but the Dead are rising, they will not let history cloak them in lies where others dwel and find the strength in such darkness to do the darks bidding, Mel, keep up the good work, you are a soldier to the truth, the strangers wither at your words, i will leave much more words for later, let us first keep putting down the names of the Great Gipsy Dead, if we make mistakes they are more than welcome to stay, let no one remove a single name from the ones we all find, i will talk of the Bacons soon, a very hard research this as been for me, they want to be found but much is going on and many voicers are talking, our work goes on
Gipsies Roll of Honour
World War One
28 July 1914 – 11 November 1918.
Thomas Cunningham
Mathew Cunningham
John Jack Cunningham VC
Ambrose Bacon
Charles Bacon
Samuel Brazil
Sidney Harris MM
Abraham Keat
David Keet
Benjamin Lee
Abraham Ripley
Abraham Ripley
Alfred Riley Scamp
Samuel Scamp
Riley Scamp
Silvester Gordon Boswell
John Cole
William Smith
Alfred Scamp East Kent Regiment L/8117 Pte
Charles Scamp East Kent Regiment 2960 Pte
Gilderoy Scamp East Kent Regiment 204082
Solomon Scamp East Kent Regiment SR/10386
W R Scamp East Kent Regiment 204080 Pte
Henry Deacon
Friday 03 May 1918
Surrey Mirror
Surrey
HOW HE ESCAPED SERVICE.-At the Oxted Police Court, before Mr. F. Cobham (chairman) and Air. C. T. Alaw, Monday, Henry Deacon (35). a gipsy, charged with failing to submit himself for military service under the Military Service Act,—P.S. Jolliffe deposed that on April 26th. 3 p.m., he saw the prisoner in a caravan at Haxted, Lingheld. Witness asked why he was not in the Army, and if had any papers to show that he had been exempted. Prisoner produced a certificate of discharge, which, was out of date and had been tampered with. Witness asked for his classification card, and whether he had been medically examined since his discharge from the Army. He replied “ No.” Witness took him to Oxted.—The Clerk said the certificate which, prisoner handed over was a soldier’s discharge from the Territorial force, dated 1911. but the dates had been obviously tampered with, the National Service Department, asked for the prisoner to be handed over to the military authorities.—The magistrates ordered the prisoner to be handed over for a military escort
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"encamped on the Bohemian Estate, Southend"
I have no idea where this is in Southend but I think it is St Lawrence Church Eastwood was always known as a gipsy church
Louisa Maud
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Hi Louisa, i do hope you are well and your Family fine, thank you for your input, i have really tryed to learn of the Gipsy Family's from the South, i have looked into their life's over hundreds of yeares, that thompson fellow was a writer of an educated mind, like lots of them writers, most of them never had a clue in my mind of nothing, many in this day will say i am wrong, i respect their opinion and not the least bit put out am i, there was a lot going on in the times of the War, i will not say to much but i can not find anyone talking up for the Gipsies, all thoes so-called scholors, where were they, if i find any thing from them i will of course write it up
IV. AFFAIRS OF EGYPT, 1909
By Thomas William Thompson
All that is given below is a short precis, alas! Frequently couched
In uncouth 'journalese,'
The year 1909 was ushered in by the sequel to the Boxing Day
Quarrels of the Gypsies encamped on the Bohemian Estate, Eastwood, Southend.
This estate is partly owned and partly rented by about twenty-five or thirty
Families of Gypsies, who make it their permanent home. They are divided into
Two distinct camps the converted Gypsies, the Buckley’s and Smiths and their
Connections; and a varied mob of unregenerate pos-rats and ' mumpers ' belonging
to the families Smith, Stone, Bibby, Draper, Scarett, Webb, Livermore, Harris,
Laws, etc. Skirmishes naturally take place between the rival factions, whilst
Internal disturbances are almost as rife
Dundee evening telegraph Thursday 19 august 1920
GIPSIES CHANGED BY THE WAR.
Now Attend Places of Worship.
The travels of the gipsies from the Bohemian Estate, Southend, to the harvest fields in the midlands and West is now taking place. Until lately there have been as many as 250 caravans on the estate, which is the gipsies' freehold, and the migrants will return at the beginning of winter. The war has brought about a deemed change in the habits of these people, writes the Southend correspondent. Quite a number of them now attend places of worship in the vicinity of the encampment, a thing quite unknown before. Numbers of them lost relatives who served with the Forces, a fact which has brought them in to a closer touch with the villagers. Some of the caravans, too, are pictures- of neatness. Children in a good many hammocks slung beneath the wheel their parents occupying the bunks inside. The gipsies arrived in the neighborhood about sixteen years ago, their travels are gradually diminishing. Some go away on the summer exodus and fail to return; others become prosperous and take houses.
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Here is a Wilshire/Wilshaw/Wilsher/Wiltshire cousin in the army...
John Wiltshire
1879–1917
Birth APRIL 1879 • Alverthorpe, Yorkshire, England
Death 2 APRIL 1917 • France and Flanders
Name-John Wiltshire
Gender-Male
Death Date-2 Apr 1917
Death Place-France
Rank-Private
Regiment-Northumberland Fusiliers
Regimental Number-3/10068
Other Records-John Wiltshire - NorthumberlandFusiliers 3/10068
My great gran father Joseph Wilshire/Wilsher was a private in the second world war, I am waiting to see if I will be sent his service record.
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Hi Sky
That is a sad record of John Wiltshire R.I.P. may he rest in eternal peace
Saturday 28 April 1894
Leicester Chronicle
Leicestershire
Cruelty to a Horse — John Wiltshire, hawker, of no fixed residence, was charged with cruelly ill- treating a horse by working it whilst in an unfit state. Wiltshire said he would be returning with the Horse to Derby
Tuesday 24 January 1905
Leeds Mercury
Yorkshire
BREAKING UP THE HAPPY HOME.
Three hawkers, named Ambrose Burnside, Benjamin Burnside, and Jack Wiltshire, were summond by Mrs. Kate bottomley of Kirkgate, at the Huddersfield Borough Court yesterday, for doing malicions damage; It was stated that on the 17th the defendants went to the complainant house, but were not admitted. After Threatening to break up the happy home they threw stones through the windows, damaging pots, vases, a table, and breaking a paraffin lamp, which set fire to the blinds. The magistrates dismissed the case against Ambrose Burnside, and ordered the other two defendants to pay 28s. each. Willshire was also fined 19s including costs, for having assaulted Mrs. Bottomley
Gipsies Roll of Honour
World War One
28 July 1914 – 11 November 1918.
Thomas Cunningham
Mathew Cunningham
John Jack Cunningham VC
Ambrose Bacon
Charles Bacon
Samuel Brazil
Sidney Harris MM
Abraham Keat
David Keet
Benjamin Lee
Abraham Ripley
Abraham Ripley
Alfred Riley Scamp
Samuel Scamp
Riley Scamp
Silvester Gordon Boswell
John Cole
William Smith
Alfred Scamp East Kent Regiment L/8117 Pte
Charles Scamp East Kent Regiment 2960 Pte
Gilderoy Scamp East Kent Regiment 204082
Solomon Scamp East Kent Regiment SR/10386
W R Scamp East Kent Regiment 204080 Pte
Henry Deacon
John Wiltshire - Northumberland Fusiliers 3/10068-Rank-Private
Birth April 1879 Alverthorpe, Yorkshire, Death 2 April 1917•Flanders-France
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These records below are for the Deacons, i know i may have some wrong but i am trying to help you, use my findings to go back, consult with people who know of the census records and match the names and locations of which i show you, some may be your people leading you to Henry Deacon on the Roll of Honour
I have left the full name out on this record below becourse of the close dateline, everything below extracts go to the web site the Newspaer Archives and sign up, there you will find much more
Thursday 05 February 1981
Reading Evening Post
Berkshire
a lifetime on the road all Mr Deacon wants right now is an address somewhere for the postman to call. He was born into a caravan, and if fate followed his family tree be would have died in one too. But Deacon is a gipsy who is about to opt into the
Thursday 06 May 1920
Portsmouth Evening News
Hampshire
Alfred Deacon, Rutland-street, marine-store dealer. admitted, purchasing it from an unknown man, together with two old bicycle tyres, for £1 10s., and reselling it to another marine-store dealer for £5. He said he did not remember much
Wednesday 12 May 1920
Portsmouth Evening News
Hampshire
STORY OF LOST MAGNETO.—Remanded from last week, Alfred Deacon, marine-store dealer, of 6, Rutland-street, St. James’s-road, Southsea, made a further appearance in answer to a charge of stealing a Magneto
Saturday 24 May 1919
Isle of Wight Observer
Isle of Wight
And valued at £3, and the others were scrap valued at 4s. each. Lily Deacon, marine store dealer of Caroel-lane, Cowes, said she purchased the tyres, two at a time, from the prisoner on the mornings of the 9th
Friday 02 June 1916
Montrose, Arbroath and Brechin review; and Forfar and Kincardineshire advertiser
Angus Scotland
Benjamin Deacon, dealer, of Farncombe, was fined £lO at Guildford for receiving military horseshoes from a soldier at Witley Camp
Wednesday 14 April 1915
Oxfordshire Weekly News
Oxfordshire
The burial took place on Saturday of Mrs. Elisabeth Deacon. the oldest inhabitant of Croydon, who had reached her 103rd year. She enjoyed the use of all her faculties
Friday 16 April 1915
Norwood News
London
IN NORWOOD ALWAYS TO REMAIN
LOCAL CENTENARIAN'S FUNERAL on Saturday at Croydon. was Mrs. Elisabeth Deacon centeruirian, who would have been 103 next August. She had lived at at The Broadway. Thornton Heath, for many years….And three daughters. five of whom still remain in the district. The chief mourners included sisters Mrs. susannah Smith and Mrs. Priscilla Bowers
Tuesday 10 March 1914
Portsmouth Evening News
Hampshire
February coil of wire, missed from the shed.— Nellie Deacon, wife of Alfred Deacon, marine-store dealer, stated that she brought the coil of wire to the shop on the afternoon of February 23
Saturday 09 March 1912
Surrey Advertiser
Surrey
THE GIPSY NUISANCE. At Epsom Police Court on Monday, before Sir W. Vincent and other magistrates, Albert Stanley, Venus and Leonard Deacons, of Brighton, and Henry Jones, Croydon, gipsys, were charged
Saturday 18 November 1911
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
GAME TRESPASS, Walter Deacon, a travelling hawker, was summoned for game trespass, at Weston Turville, on Nov. 8. Defendant did not appear
Wednesday 26 October 1910
Portsmouth Evening News
Hampshire
Annie Deacon, hawker, admitted to acting as a pedlar without a licence
Saturday 06 July 1907
Sussex Agricultural Express
Sussex
THEFT OF COPPER WIRE. Henry Deacon, 27, fish hawker, and Thomas Brown, alias Collins, 22, coster, were indicted for feloniously stealing 184 lbs. of copper wire, on March last
Saturday 16 November 1907
Cheltenham Chronicle
Gloucestershire
Henry Deacon, a travelling hawker, who did not appear, was summoned for ecamping on the village green Quenington on November 5, and doing damage
Friday 17 February 1905
South Bucks Standard
Buckinghamshire
to a man named Deacon, of Hemel Hempstead. added that he did not steal the trough, Mr. East helped him put it in his cart. Witness took the defendant to Mr. East, who denied that he sold him the trough.—George Joseph Deacon, marine store dealer. Hempstead, said
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Saturday 17 January 1903
Gloucester Journal
Gloucestershire
Joseph Ryles, travelling hawker, was summoned for assaulting Henry Deacon, another hawker
Published: Saturday 10 January 1903
Newspaper: Gloucestershire Echo
County: Gloucestershire
Joseph Ryles, gipsy, was summoned by Henry Deacon, another gipsy, for assault on January 4th. It appeared that defendant and complainant (for whom Mr. Frank Treasure appeared) were encamped and that he knocked Deacon down and knocked him about
Friday 03 July 1903
West Surrey Times
Surrey
Samuel and Job Johnson, William and Frank Deacon, gipsy boys, were charged with having a quantity of broken glass
Saturday 14 November 1903
Surrey Advertiser
Surrey
Benjamin Deacon, dealer was summoned for neglecting to provide reason for no maintenance for Harriet Jane Deacon. his wife, and Lily Deacon, his child. 11 years of age
Saturday 20 January 1900
Oxford Journal
Oxfordshire
Henry Deacon, hawker, of Kingston-on-Thames, was summoned for allowing two horses to stray at Stamford, on the 7th September
Saturday 20 January 1900
Reading Mercury
Berkshire
FARINGDON PETTY SESSIONS. Tuesday. (Present: Col. Edwards and G. W. Habgood, Esq.) Henry Deacon, a travelling hawker, was summoned for allowing his horse to stray on the road Stanford. As defendant did not appear, a warrant was issued
Saturday 13 June 1896
Wilts and Gloucestershire Standard
Gloucestershire
Joseph Deacon, dealer, was charged with attempting to commit suicide by cutting his throat with a razor, at Lechdade, on the 12th
Saturday 25 July 1896
Berkshire Chronicle
Berkshire
Straying the Highway. Henry Deacon, a licensed hawker, was summoned for allowing two horses stray on the Langborongh-road on June defendant did not appear
Saturday 03 October 1896
Wiltshire Times and Trowbridge Advertiser
Wiltshire
Horses Astray on the Highway — Henry Deacon, of the gipsy fraternity, was summoned for allowing two horses to stray on the Frome Road, in the parish of Wingfield, on the early morning
Saturday 08 June 1895
West Somerset Free Press
Somerset
Charles Deacon, hawker, London, was charged with having stolen the sum of 3d. from Henry Collard by means of a trick or fraud in North-street
Saturday 06 July 1895
Cheltenham Chronicle
Gloucestershire
to pay the costs for allowing two horses to stray on the highway at Chedworth on the 27th June last, and Henry Deacon, of Kingston-on-Thames, hawker, for a similar offence at Compton Abdale on the 26th June, was fined 5s and ordered to pay the costs
Saturday 06 April 1895
Wiltshire Times and Trowbridge Advertiser
Wiltshire
Horses Astray.— Henry Deacon, a hawker, for allowing horses stray the highway at Corsham, on March 28, and also on March 30, was fined £1 inclusive for each
Saturday 16 November 1895
Berkshire Chronicle
Berkshire
Horses Straying.— Richard Deacon, travelling hawker, was summoned for allowing two horses to stray Church-road, Sandhurst, on Saturday, Nov. 2. P.C. Everard proved the case
Saturday 10 February 1894
Totnes Weekly Times
Devon
A GIPSY SUMMONED. —HE DOES NOT APPEAR. Henry Deacon, a gipsy, who did not appear, was charged with obstructing the highway at Coffinswell on the 2nd of
Saturday 10 February 1894
East & South Devon Advertiser
Devon
CONTEMPT OF COURT. Henry Deacon, travelling hawker, who did not appear, was charged with allowing three horses to stray on the highway on the 2nd inst, and also with obstructing the highway. P C. Webber proved to finding three horses belonging to defendant
Friday 09 February 1894
Exeter and Plymouth Gazette
Devon
At the Newton Police-court Henry Deacon, travelling hawker, who did not appear, was summoned for allowing three horses stray in the parish of Kingskerswell
Wednesday 09 August 1893
Worthing Gazette
Sussex
At the Petworth Petty heesions on Saturday Charles Deacon. a hawker living in Worthing was sentenced to two months' hard labour for cruelly ill-treating a pony
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Friday 29 April 1892
Sussex Agricultural Express
Sussex
A STRAY HORSE. Henry Deacon, hawker, for allowing horse to stray on the highway at Silverhill, was fined 13s. including costs
Saturday 30 April 1892
Hastings and St Leonards Observer
Sussex
A STRAY HORSE. Harry Deacon, a hawker, was summoned for allowing a horse to stray in Sadlescomb-road, Silverhill.—P.C. Farminger found the horse straying outside
Saturday 30 April 1892
Croydon Chronicle and East Surrey Advertiser
London
Thomas Deacon, hawker, of Mitcham, was charged with cruelly ill-tresting a pony, by keeping it on Mitcham Common without sufficient food
Saturday 15 October 1892
Sussex Agricultural Express
Sussex
Horses-straying, Henry Deacon, a travelling gipsy, was summoned for allowing a horse to stray at Henfield on the 26th ult.— P.C. Strudwick found the defendant’s horse half mile from the caravan.—Defendant was fined 2s. 6d. andfis.6d. costs
Saturday 13 September 1890
Sussex Agricultural Express
Sussex
STRAYING HORSES. John Deacon, travelling gipsy, pleaded guilty the charge made P.C. Doggett of allowing his three horses to stray on the highway—about 100 yards
Friday 24 October 1890
Sussex Agricultural Express
Sussex
CHARGE OF HORSE STEALING, John Bowley, dealer, was charged with stealing a horse, belonging to Edward Deacon, horse dealer, at Worthing.—Mr. Haven was for the prosecution, Mr Hodgson being for the defence. The prisoner on Whit-Monday borrowed a pony belonging
Thursday 18 April 1889
Isle of Wight Times
Isle of Wight
William Gates, father of the deceased, stated that deceased had been working for Mr. George Deacon, marine store dealer, of Hemel Hempstead, and it was a part of his duty to attend to the horses
Wednesday 10 April 1889
Eastbourne Gazette
Sussex
Mary Ann Deacon, gipsy, who did not appear, in her absence convicted of being drunk and dissorderly at Chiddingly
Tuesday 25 June 1889
Sussex Agricultural Express
Sussex
DRUNKENNESS. Elizabeth Coleman, alias Deacon, hawker, Brighton, was charged with being drunk and disorderly in Lismore road on June 18th.—P.S. Plumb said defendant was very drunk, and was disorderly beating her husband in the street. She was so violent
Saturday 17 August 1889
Sussex Agricultural Express
Sussex
DRUNK WHILST IN CHARGE OF A HORSE AND CART.—On Thursday, before George Whitfeld and F. B. Whitfeld, Esqrs., James Deacon, flower hawker, was fined 10s. and costs, or seven days’ hard labour, for being drunk whilst in charge of horse and cart Newhaven
Tuesday 22 October 1889
Surrey Gazette
Sussex
Thomas Deacon, a hawker, who did not appear, was summoned for allowing his horse to stray
Saturday 17 September 1887
Bristol Mercury
Bristol
Henry Deacon, a gipsy, who did not appear, was fined 8s 6d, including costs., for allowing a horse to stray on the highway, Long Ashton
Friday 13 June 1884
Western Gazette
Somerset
Henry Deacon, a travelling hawker; Henry Turner, and Job Sainsbury, were all summoned for allowing their horses to stray on the highway at Standerwick
Saturday 19 July 1884
Hampshire Chronicle
Hampshire
Cruelty to a Mare.—Henry Deacon, a gipsy, was charged with working mare while in unfit state. He was fined 10s. and 10s. costs ; in default, 11 days’ imprisonment
Saturday 19 July 1884
Hampshire Advertiser
Hampshire
CRUELTY TO A MARE. — Henry Deacon, gipsy, was charged by Police-constable Jacobs with working a mare while in an unfit state. The animal was drawing a van at Bentley
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Saturday 24 March 1883
Portsmouth Evening News
Hampshire
Henry Deacon, a hawker, was charged with being drunk while in charge of a horse and van in Commercial-road on Thursday.—Constable Cornwall proved the case
Saturday 04 August 1883
Reading Mercury
Berkshire
Drunkenness. George Deacon, dealer, and Emmer Green, pleaded guilty to being drunk while in charge of a horse and cart at Caversham, on July 16th., and was fined
Saturday 04 August 1883
Reading Observer
Berkshire
AN INEBRIATED DRIVER.--George Deacon, dealer, of Emmer Green, pleaded guilty to being drunk while in charge of a horse and cart, on 16th July
Saturday 11 March 1882
Hampshire Chronicle
Hampshire
Abraham Hughes, gipsy, who did not appear, was summoned for allowing two horses to stray on the highway at Privett, fined for each horse and costs —Betsy Deacon, another gipsy, who also failed to put in appearance, was
Saturday 19 February 1881
Surrey Mirror
surry
The defendant ran into the cart of one of the witnesses, Benjamin Deacon, a dealer, and damaged the cart and harness
Saturday 12 November 1881
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
At the Elephant and Castle Hotel, Linslade, by Mr. J. Parrott, coroner, on Friday afternoon, on the body of George Deacon, marine store dealer, of Leighton Buzzard, aged about forty-five years, who on the previous Wednesday evening was killed at the Leighton
Friday 11 November 1881
Bicester Herald
Oxfordshire
Deaths
Mr. George Deacon, marine store dealer, Leighton Buzzard. November 2, at West Haddon, aged 74
Saturday 17 April 1880
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
John Deacon, marine store dealer, was summoned show cause' why he should not contribute towards the support of his daughter, Letitia Standbridge
Wednesday 09 April 1879
Hampshire Advertiser
Hampshire
Francis Hughes, hawker, charged by the police with being drunk when in charge of a horse and cart on Saturday, in High-street, and Ernest Deacon, hawker, charged with being drunk on Saturday and refusing to move
Saturday 11 October 1879
Surrey Advertiser
Surrey
WALTON. ALLOWING A HORES TO STRAY. At the Kingston County Bench on Thursday, John Deacon, gipsy, was summoned for allowing a horse to stray at Cobham, on the 16th —Fined 20s, including costs
Saturday 23 February 1878
Reading Mercury
Berkshire
Wednesday 31 July 1878
Hampshire Telegraph
Hampshire
Alfred Deacon, hawker, was summoned for allowing a loaded van to remain all night in the public highway
Death
Deacon.—On the 15th inst., at Littlewick, near Maidenhaad, Mr. Thomas Deacon, horse dealer, in his 83rd year
Wednesday 16 October 1878
Oxfordshire Telegraph
Oxfordshire
Deacon, marine store dealer, Leighton Buzzard, brought up in custody, charged with having stolen from the premises of the London and North-Western Railway
Saturday 12 October 1878
Hampshire Telegraph
Hampshire
ATTEMPTED ROBBERY WITH VIOLENCE
Federick Deacon, a gipsy, was brought up in custody charged with we assaulting a lad named Edward Cook, with intent to rob
Saturday 07 February 1874
Hampshire Advertiser
Hampshire
. A Drunken Gipsy. — John Deacon, a gipsy, was convicted of being drunk and disorderly in Albert-road, Southsea, on the previous afternoon
Thursday 07 May 1874
North Devon Journal
Devon
Alfred Deacon, a travelling hawker, was charged with encamping on the side of the highway,on the 27th April
Saturday 17 August 1872
Hampshire Advertiser
Hampshire
Ventnor Petty Sessions, Wednesday.—Magistrate in attendance : Dr. Leeson. Stealing Brushes, &c.,from a Van. — Thomas Clapham, Thomas Murray, and Charles Smith, three men who have been hawking ferns for some days in the neighbourhood of Ventnor, were charged
Wednesday 21 August 1872
Hampshire Telegraph
Hampshire
Thomas Murray, Charles Smith, and Thomas Clapham, all poorly-clothed and miserable-looking young men, strangers in the Island, were brought up and charged with stealing from a clothes line, a scrubbing brush, and a hair broom, at Ventnor, from Elizabeth Deacon, of Barton's Village
Wednesday 21 August 1872
Hampshire Advertiser
Hampshire
And Thomas Clapham, tramps, were charged with stealing, at Ventnor, some brushes, from the van of Elisabeth Deacon, of Bartons Village, hawker, on the night of the 13th instant. There was a doubt as to their guilt, and they were discharged
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Thursday 01 December 1864
Brighton Gazette
Sussex
Thomas Clapham, 16, a young urchin, who said he was a brickmaker, down from London, in search of work, was charged with begging in East ...
Thursday 04 May 1865
Brighton Gazette
Sussex
Thomas Clapham, 16, rough-looking but a sharp lad, was charged with begging in Chichester Place
Saturday 29 August 1874
Hastings and St Leonards Observer
Sussex
Thomas Clapham, hawker, stated that on the previous day he was walking with the previous witness, deceased, and two other
Saturday 19 February 1870
Portsmouth Times and Naval Gazette
Hampshire
Charge of Assault preferred by John Deacon, a hawker, against John, Samuel, and James Stanley, and John and James Stanley, the younger, and which was alleged to have been
Saturday 16 May 1868
Kentish Mercury
London
Walter Deacon, general dealer, Kidney-street ,was summoned for having three light weights, and was fined Is. And costs
Wednesday 20 March 1867
Isle of Wight Times
Isle of Wight
before B. F. Blake, Req., deputy coroner, on the body of an infant child, named Sarah Deacon, the daughter of Maria Deacon, a hawker
Saturday 13 April 1867
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
he came from Kennington, London, was charged with stealing a bag of rags and bones from the premises of George Deacon, marine store dealer North End, on the 8th inst. The prisoner was' traced to the shop of Mr. Brandom, where he had sold the stolen goods
Saturday 03 February 1866
Isle of Wight Observer
Isle of Wight
COUNTY PETTY SESSIONS
A pair of boots, about £6 in money, and a monkey jacket, the property of William Deacon, hawker, of Barton Village near Newport.—William Deacon said he was a licensed hawker and resided at Barton's Village. He was at Freshwater on the 7th December
Saturday 10 March 1866
Hampshire Chronicle
Hampshire
Wm. Deacon, licensed hawker, said he slept at the lodging House
Tuesday 11 December 1866
Chichester Express and West Sussex Journal
Sussex
Stray Horses.—John Deacon, hawker, with suffering two horses to stray on the public highway
Saturday 02 May 1863
Isle of Wight Observer
Isle of Wight
John Deacon, hawker, residing at Brading. was charged by P.C. Knight with allowing his horse to stray and feed by the wayside, and was fined
Saturday 30 May 1863
Isle of Wight Observer
Isle of Wight
John Deacon, a hawker, was charged by P.C. Knight with being drunk and disorderly on Sunday morning, the 17th instant, Brading. Fined 5s
Tuesday 08 September 1863
Horsham, Petworth, Midhurst and Steyning Express
Sussex
ALFRED DEACON, hawker, was charged with lighting a fire within 50 feet of the centre of a high road
Thursday 13 November 1862
Brighton Gazette
Sussex
Thomas Deacon, a dealer in coals, in Edward Street, was summoned by Mr Duly, Inspector of Weights and Measures, for having in his possession, a pair of scales, which wore 7lbs. against the purchaser, also a 141b. weight 4oz. short
Saturday 23 November 1861
Isle of Wight Observer
Isle of Wight
John Deacon, dealer in marine-stores and licensed hawker, stated that he lived at Brading. He knew the prisoner. He saw him at Sandown fort about
Saturday 30 November 1861
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
Thos. Brandon, straw dealer, of Eaton Bray, was charged with maliciously wounding George Deacon, rag dealer, of the same place, on the 26th of October last. Remanded
Saturday 14 December 1861
Isle of Wight Observer
Isle of Wight
in the premises was a rack containing a number of house bells. Three of these bells were sold by the prisoner to Mr. Deacon, marine store dealer. The theft was fully proved, and it was also stated that the bells were old, and out of use. His Lordship characterised
Tuesday 10 January 1860
Bedfordshire Times and Independent
Bedfordshire
DEATHS
On the 5th Jan., the daughter Mr. Deacon, dealer in marine stores, Leighton Buzzard, aged 18 years
Saturday 23 June 1860
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
Mr. Deacon, a marine-store dealer, who at once said he had bought it of Clark. Clark was then apprehended, and said he bought the lead of a stranger
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Saturday 20 February 1858
Bury Free Press
Suffolk
George Deacon, hawker of gold fish, was charged with assaulting the landlord of the One Bull Inn, Angel Hill, on Wednesday night
Tuesday 29 February 1848
Sussex Advertiser
Sussex
Richard Deacon, labourer, 20, pleaded guilty stealing, on the 27th Dec. 1 st, at Battle . , 21bs. weight of honey-comb and 81bs. of honey, of the value of 8s , the property of William Gibbs.—Four calendar months' hard labour
Saturday 17 November 1855
Bucks Chronicle and Bucks Gazette
Buckinghamshire
LEIGHTON BUZZARD
Elisabeth Deacon, the wife of John Deacon, marine store-dealer, of Leighton, slated that on the 29th of October, about eleven o'clock in the morning
Tuesday 29 July 1851
South Eastern Gazette
Kent
robbery was committed at the Dog public-house, on Tuesday, the 22nd inst. A silk gown was abstracted from the bundle of Mrs. Deacon, hawker of silk, while staying for the night at the above house
Saturday 03 March 1849
Hampshire Advertiser
Hampshire
At the Audit-House, on Thursday, before the Mayor and other magistrates, Martha Smith, Margaret Bence, and Sarah Deacon. all notorious characters, were charged with robbing Henry White
Saturday 14 April 1849
Hampshire Advertiser
Hampshire
Sarah Deacon, aged 28 Indicted
Saturday 14 April 1849
Hampshire Telegraph
Hampshire
having feloniously stolen seven half crowns and one five shillings, Margaret Bence, Martha Smith, Sarah Deacon, and Benjamin Sweetingham, charged with having feloniously stolen five sovereigns and divers and other articles
Saturday 14 April 1849
Hampshire Advertiser
Hampshire
SOUTHAMPTON EASTER SESSIONS
Not Guilty, Bence Guilty, Smith Not Guilty, Deacon Guilty. Two previous convictions against Sarah Deacon were proved, and she was sentenced to seven years' transportation ; Bence to six month.' imprisonment. Deacon: Thank you : I will stay there till I die
Saturday 29 July 1848
Hampshire Advertiser
Hampshire
Frank Clark, Mary Williams, and Sarah Deacon, were brought up by P.C. Hayward, having been apprehended by him early on that morning, suspecting them to be loitering about with Intent to commit a felony
Saturday 30 October 1847
Hampshire Advertiser
Hampshire
THE OLD TRICK. Sarah Deacon aged 28, was indicted for stealing, on the 18th of October, a silver watch and chain
Friday 03 December 1847
Chelmsford Chronicle
Essex
Charles Bell, Debden, and Ann Taylor and Martha Mole, of the same place, were charged with stealing and cutting underwood, the property of Sir Francis Vincent, Bart, of Debden-hall on the 2nd and 17th inst.; the former was dismissed, but the women were fined 3d. each, and expenses 3s. to paid in a fortnight
Saturday 21 February 1846
Hampshire Advertiser
Hampshire
WEDNESDAY.- (Before the Mayor and P. C. Fall, esqr.) Smuggling. — Samuel Deacon, a sailor belonging to the crew of the Queen, steamer, lately from Gibraltar, was charged with smuggling 12£lbs of tobacco
Tuesday 24 March 1846
Sussex Advertiser
Sussex
George Deacon, 14, labourer, was charged with stealing, at Buxted, on the March instant, a bag containing various articles of food, valued 4d
Monday 07 February 1842
Sussex Advertiser
Sussex
William Deacon was charged with stealing a quantity of potatoes and a hag
Saturday 18 June 1842
Hampshire Advertiser
Hampshire
Three gipsies, named Joseph and Martha Mole and Sarah Deacon, was charged on Tuesday by R.P.C. Hall, with being found In a cart house belonging to Mr. Muligan, of Blackland Farm. On their promising to leave the Island they were discharged
Tuesday 04 October 1842
Sussex Advertiser
Sussex
Thomas Deacon, countryman, was sentenced to a fortnights' hard labour, for stealing potatoes from a field near the race course, in the occupation Mr. Head
Thursday 02 March 1837
Brighton Gazette
Sussex
William Deacon was indicted for stealing at Chiddingly, four fowls, the property of Stephen Collins
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Monday 08 June 1835
Sussex Advertiser
Sussex
Brighton, in Sussex, July, 1832, and transported for 7 years; Mackintosh, transported for life from Edinburgh, July, 1831 ; John Deacon tried at Dorset in July, 1830, for sheep-stealing and transported for life; William transported from London in 1830, for 7
Monday 19 March 1827
Hampshire Advertiser
Hampshire
Martha Smith, for stealing some artiicles of apparel on the 20lh of July, was convicted, and sentenced to seven years transportation
Monday 11 December 1826
Hampshire Advertiser
Hampshire
Edward Deacon, for stealing pair Uniforms the property his Master, Lieut. Water Griffith Lloyed, R, N.
Monday 11 January 1819
Sussex Advertiser
Sussex
James Deacon, charged with stealing in the parish of Rotherfield, a quantity of cord wood, the property of Samuel Wickers
Monday 25 January 1819
Sussex Advertiser
Sussex
Deacon, for a similar offence, from the parish field, Guilty. — Re-committed Fourteen Days each, and a Private Whipping
Monday 16 August 1819
Sussex Advertiser
Sussex
an elderly man named Deacon, had a complaint against a young man named Ravenscroft for assault. It appeared that the latter had called the complainant a rogue, who retaliated calling: the other a thief, and got his nose pulled for his pains. complaint was dismissed
Monday 23 March 1812
Hampshire Chronicle
Hampshire
ASSIZES. The case which excited the greatest public attention at the Wilts Assizes, was that Deacon, (committed with Elizabeth Deacon), on charge of stealing a parcel from the old Taunton coach, containing notes of the Yeovil and Wincanton Bank
This below is how they used to spell in the old english, this is the first and last time I will write the way they did, after about this time the witings of the letters changed, I do not know why or what is any thing about, as regarding the knowledge of such things, if anyone could say I would welcome your words
Monday 06 December 1802
Hampshire Chronicle
Hampshire
Martha Smith was -capitally convicted for feloniouflv uttering a piece of counterfeit coin made in the likenefs of a fhilling
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This will be my last words of now about the Bacons, i have tryed my best to speak for them over the yeares, you may read my words if you take the time to read over my old posts, i will not go on and just talk the talk, this thread is about bringing the Great names of the Gipsy Families to the front and centre, no cold stone talks, no one is bothered about a stone, in fact only Family and people of interest in a certain day in a certain subject are true to that chalice, forbiden fruit, the rest just idle walk on byes, thats just the truth of it, i will put up my own findings and hope in the future and true know someone will come and speak the truth, help the Dead, i will not go over what i have already said many times but wish for someone to say does the Bacons who fought and died in the first world war have Gipsy ancestry, i think they have, Ambrose died in the war as you know from my reading, through my research the Bacons are from Selston the place of Dan Boswell, they have not been talked of much only a down graded talk, yet they fought and died for English men and woman to live in this time, now they may come from the South as my research shows, they may be local Selston people as my research shows, they may well have bred into Gipsy Familys from the North or South as my research shows, or maybe like the so called writers say they are only so called and not nothing at all to do with Gipsies, so for every proud born English person i ask of you if you are a family or not to look over these few words to come and make a judgment, only family members and connoisseurs will no doutb have an interest, i hope others who are blind close there eyes to the profits that lead and have fooled you
family...........a group consisting of two parents and their children living together as a unit.
a group of people related by blood or marriage.
synonyms: relatives, relations, blood relations, family members, kin, next of kin, kinsfolk, kinsmen, kinswomen, kindred, one's (own) flesh and blood, connections;
synonyms:ancestry, parentage, birth, pedigree, genealogy, background, family tree, descent, lineage, line, line of descent, bloodline, blood, extraction, derivation, race, strain, stock, breed;
a group of peoples from a common stock.
a group of related things.
"all manuscripts that share this reading constitute a family"
connoisseur
noun
a person with special knowledge or appreciation of a field, esp in the arts
Derived forms
connoisseurship (ˌconnoisˈseurship)
noun
Word origin of 'connoisseur'
from French, from Old French conoiseor, from connoistre to know, from Latin cognōscere
noun
a person who has expert knowledge and keen discrimination in some field, esp. in the fine arts or in matters of taste
so next i will show some evidence and hope that someone who loves this land and peoples will speak up not for them but for the truth of them, let the light of the truth see this days end and the Dead shall sleep in eternal rest, i will show you records of the South, records of the North, records just of people from Selston, records just of the Bacons of Ambrose Bacons lot, who is who and what is the real truth only you can say, this is my last words for the Bacons, may you all Rest in Peace, you are on the Roll of Honor and there you will stay
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Evidence of Bacon Families from up my way, is this or are these Ambrose Bacon ancesters, or evan just a few of these records
Monday 11 June 1934
Daily Herald
London
RIDDLE OF CAR CRASH
Minnie Bacon, wife of Mr William Bacon, colliery deputy, of Southcrescent. Buckmanton. Chesterfield Derbyshire. She and her husband were injured when their car overturned on the Newark-Lincoln road. Mrs. Bacon died later in hospital
Monday 16 November 1931
Nottingham Evening Post
Nottinghamshire
STRAYING PONIES. For allowing five ponies to be straying on Hayden road at 7.50 a.m., on November 2nd, William Bacon, of Durham-avenue, Sneinton Dale, was at Nottingham Police Court, to-day, fined
Wednesday 23 January 1929
Nottingham Evening Post
Nottinghamshire
GARAGE MURDER CLUES
when Elijah William Bacon, aged 56, labourer, of no fixed abode, asked him. Can you spare copper for a night's lodging? Replied, I am a police officer, and shall take you into custody. Bacon's reply was, I can't help that. Bacon, being a stranger to the Town
Friday 20 April 1928
Nottingham Journal
Nottinghamshire
Not fit to work Work it in that condition, declared Mr E. O. Johnson. Veterinary surgeon, at Nottingham Summons Court yesterday when William Bacon, of 19, AIcester-street, Dunkirk, was ordered to pay costs tor ill-treating a horse in March
Saturday 29 April 1922
Nottingham Journal
Nottinghamshire
SUTTON MINER'S DEATH.
William Bacon 26, a married man, of 17. Spring-street, Sutton-in-Ashfield, met his death yesterday morning in the Silver Hill Colliery
Saturday 29 April 1922
Derby Daily Telegraph
Derbyshire, England
Falling electric cable, William Bacon miner, was on Friday electrocuted Tevershall Nottinghamshire
Tuesday 02 May 1922
Nottingham Journal
Nottinghamshire, England
KILLED IN THE PIT
... Claim Paid by the “Evening News.” To be killed in the pit alter five yean’ active service in the Great War, was a sad fate of William Bacon (26). coal-cutter, of 17. Spring-street. Sutton-in- Ashfield. About 7.30 p.m. on Thursday last was working an electrical
Friday 05 May 1922
Mansfield Reporter
Nottinghamshire, England
ADJOURNED.
He has never complained of his employment beyond saying to me that he regarded it as dangerous, said the widow of William Bacon, a cleaner-up, who was killed on the previous Thursday in the pit at. Silver Hill Colliey belonging to the Stanton Coal and Iron Company
Friday 12 May 1922
Mansfield Reporter
Nottinghamshire, England
SUTTON MINER ELECTROCUTED. WORKMAN'S MISTAKE. RESUMED INQUEST.
Further investigations into the cause of the death of William Bacon (26), of 17, Spring-street, Sutton-in-Ashfield who was killed at the Silver Hill Colliery on the 27th ult.—were made by Mr. H. Bradwell
Wednesday 02 January 1918
Nottingham Evening Post
Nottinghamshire
DEATHS
ROLL OF HONOUR. Killed in action, December 9th. 1917, Private William Bacon, Royal Warwick. Dunkirk, Nottingham aged 21 years. In. our memory.-From his sorrowing father, mother, sister, and brother
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Friday 10 August 1917
Mansfield Reporter
Nottinghamshire
KILLED WHILE TALKING
A verdict of Accidental death in the case of a pony driver, George William Bacon, 16, who was killed, on Wednesday, at the South Normanton Colliery The evidence showed that Bacon was talking to the pit corporal, John Southerington when from lOcwt
Saturday 16 September 1916
Nottingham Evening Post
Nottinghamshire
MATCHES AND MUNITIONS. MIDLAND WORKER HEAVILY FINED. For taking four matches into a Midland munition factory on Friday, William Bacon, aged 66, was fined £10 or month in goal. The prosecuting solicitor said that the defendant's waistcoat was searched
Friday 13 October 1916
Sheffield Independent
South Yorkshire
LAD KILLED IN HOLBROOK PIT Charles Bacon, aged 16 years, of Station road. Halfway, was run over and killed in Holbrook Colliery on Wednesday night. The lad only the day previous had resumed work after an accident. The parents have had a second blow by the news than another son was reported missing on the front
Friday 13 October 1916
Sheffield Daily Telegraph
South Yorkshire
Charles Robert Bacon (16), 9, Station Road, Holbrook, a runner at Holbrook Colliery, was killed in the pit on Wednesday night
Thursday 07 February 1907
Nottingham Evening Post
Nottinghamshire
SHIPLEY COLLIERY FATALITY
... Inn, Derby-road, Heanor, before the Deputy-District Coroner (Mr. W. R. H. Whiston) touching the death of William Toplis Bacon. Jessie Hannah Bacon, of Lodge, identified the body of the deceased that of her husband. He was 43 years of age.
Monday 05 September 1904
Nottingham Journal
Nottinghamshire
FATALITY
William Bacon, Stanton Hill, collier, aged 46 years, who met with his death whilst at work on the previous day the Stanton Hill Colliery (belonging to the Stanton Coal and iron Company The widow represented by Mr. Williams (Messrs. Green and Williams. Nottingham)
Friday 14 October 1904
Derby Daily Telegraph
Derbyshire
THE NORMANTON HORSE-STEALING CASE
Hanson's auction sale for £11 os. 6d. to Wm. Maddocks, horse dealer, of Sneinton. near Nottingham. The latter afterwards sold it Wm. Bacon, cattle dealer, of St. Mark's street, Nottingham, for £13 10s. 6d. Last Tuesday Bacon handed the animal over to the police
Saturday 04 April 1903
Nottingham Evening Post
Nottinghamshire
SUTTON- IN-ASHFIELD LADS DEATH. An inquest was held at the New Inn. In the afternoon at the Nottingham District, the body of Charles Bacon, of Sutton-in-Ashfield. a ganger employed at the Summit Pit. Sutton-in-Ashfield, who met with a accident on March 27th, and later died
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Tuesday 11 April 1899
Nottingham Journal
Nottinghamshire
Larceny Horsley Woodhouse.—Charles Bacon, sen., and Charles Bacon, jun., were each charged with stealing tulip plants on or about the 31st March last, and being on the property of the Rev. George
Saturday 12 February 1898
Derbyshire Times and Chesterfield Herald
Derbyshire
Asserts that the story as put forth by William Bacon was untrue. He was certainly the son of Joseph and MaryAnn Bacon, of Brimington, and was born in the Waterloo year— as the entry in the bible puts it : William Bacon, born March 23
Saturday 18 May 1895
Derbyshire Times and Chesterfield Herald
Derbyshire
P.c Bates proved that William Bacon (22), collier, of Clay Cross, fined for being drunk and disorderly
Saturday 01 March 1890
Derbyshire Courier
Warning to Others.— Henry Bacon, coal higgler, of Horsley Woodhouse, was summoned at the instance of the School Committee of the Belpor Union, for having unlawfully ...
Wednesday 29 May 1889
Derbyshire Times and Chesterfield Herald
Derbyshire
Eckington. Penitent.
William Henry Bacon, traveller, pleaded guilty to being drunk at Eckington in May.—He was only ordered to pay the costs
Saturday 05 March 1887
Derbyshire Courier
Derbyshire
Damaging Fences. —At the Eckington Petty Sessions, on Monday, Wm. Bacon, and Jno. Thomas Naylor, colliers, living at Bolehill, Eckington, were summoned by Joseph Naylor, farmer, for damaging fences, on his property at Bolehill, on the 14th February.—The defendant Naylor and complainant were cousins. They were seen by complainant getting over a fence into the field. speaking to the defendants they began to abuse him.—Defendant-, said they got into the field becourse the road was so dirty. They denied getting over the fence.—The Bench imposed a fine of Is., damage 6d.,and the costs.
Friday 03 June 1887
Derby Daily Telegraph
solicitor, Belper, applied for ejectment order for Sophia Bacon who occupied a house under Mr. Win. Norman of Newton, Wales. He said the house with a little land was let to Miles Bacon, who died about two years ago
Saturday 16 July 1887
Derbyshire Courier
Serious Assault.—At the Belper Petty Sessions, on Thursday, Miles Bacon was charged with assaulting Walter Beardmore, at Belper
Friday 18 June 1886
Sheffield Independent
Yorkshire
BRUTAL ATTACK ON A SHEFFIELD MAN AT CHESTERFIELD.
A gentleman, named William HenryBacon, commercial traveller, of Sheffield, has been admitted into the Chesterfield and North Derbyshire Hospital, suffering from injuries which are alleged to have been
inflicted under rather extraordinary circumstances.
Saturday 19 June 1886
Derbyshire Times and Chesterfield Herald
Derbyshire
he recommended the man's removal to the Chesterfield Hospital, which was done. The injured man there gave the name of Wm. Henry Bacon, of 87 Langaett road, Sheffield, and said he was a commercial traveller in the employ of a firm of paper manufacturers
Wednesday 07 January 1885
Derby Mercury
Derbyshire
SUDDEN DEATH OF A REMARKABLE CHARACTER.- On Monday week, Miles Bacon, a coal higgler, and a noted character in the town, died suddenly in his own stable
Thursday 09 April 1885
Derby Daily Telegraph
Derbyshire
Old Offender in Trouble. —Miles Bacon, coal higgler, Belper, charged |with having assaulted his wife Ellen on the 25th March.—The prosecutrix said that her husband ...
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Wednesday 26 November 1884
Derby Daily Telegraph
Derbyshire
BELPER
………. brought with him the copper, and given it to Watson, who sold it to Mr. John Mellor, marine store dealer, Belper, and Miles Bacon, scrap iron dealer. Watson told the dealers that he got it from Salty Bill, a hawker, in the Morledge, Derby
Friday 05 January 1883
Derbyshire Advertiser and Journal
Derbyshire
A Nameless Cart.— Miles Bacon, coal higgler, who did not appear, was summoned for driving a cart, without a name on it
Saturday 15 September 1883
Derbyshire Times and Chesterfield Herald
Derbyshire
Miles Bacon, labourer.ot Belper, who was riding the trap with the defendant in the previous case, who was also summoned on a charge of ...
Friday 21 September 1883
Derbyshire Advertiser and Journal
Derbyshire
Miles Bacon, jun., old offender, was fined 5s. and 9s. Costs
Saturday 01 December 1883
Derbyshire Times and Chesterfield Herald
Derbyshire
Notices of Births, Marriages and Deaths, are subject to charge of 2s. 6d.
Bacon—Holmes—November 28th, at the Wesleyan Chapel, Bakewell, by the Rev. H. Cattle (I William Bacon, to Mary Holmes, both of Youlgreave.
Friday 05 May 1882
Derbyshire Advertiser and Journal
Derbyshire
William Bacon was charged with stealing quantity of wood, at Belper, April —Defendent pleaded guilty and was fined
Friday 29 December 1882
Derbyshire Advertiser and Journal
An adjourned case in which Miles Bacon, jun., was summoned at the last Petty Sessions with assaulting his wife, Ellen Bacon, at belper, on the 27th
Wednesday 09 March 1881
Derby Mercury
Derbyshire
District News
license; and fines of Is. and costs, or costs only, were imposed upon Joseph Martin, William Parker, Stephen Sorlmehaw, and Wm. Bacon, for keeping dogs without licenses.
Friday 27 May 1881
Derbyshire Derby Daily Telegraph
—On Thursday, Miles Bacon, jun., was summoned by Inspector Warr, of Derby, for working a horse whilst in a unfit condition, at Kilbourn, on the 15th ult ...
Saturday 08 January 1881
Derby Daily Telegraph
Derbyshire
Sessions, Thursday.—Before Mr. Woolley, the Hon. F. Strutt, Sir J. G. N. Alleyne, and Mr. H. Strutt. The 37th Offence. —Miles Bacon, sen., of Belper, was charged with leaving his waggon on the highway Kilbourn, on the 21st nit., for a long and unreasonable time
Friday 27 May 1881
Derby Daily Telegraph
Derbyshire
Violent Assault.—On Thursday, at Belper, Miles Bacon, jun., was charged with assaulting Robert Tomlinson, of Openwood Gate, on the 21st May, at Belper
Friday 09 January 1880
Derby Daily Telegraph
Derbyshire
Belper Petty Sessions, on Thursday, before Mr. Rowland Smith, Mr. J. H. Woolley, the Hon. F. Strutt, and Mr. H. Strutt, Miles Bacon, jun., of Chesterfield-road, Belper, was charged by Inspector Raymond, of the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty Animals ...
Saturday 12 June 1880
Derbyshire Times and Chesterfield Herald
Derbyshire
Afterwards deceased's father came and carried him home. There was no one near the bucket as it tumbled over.—William Bacon, son of William Bacon Springwell, miner, I was going down with two buckets of steam water on Saturday afternoon, when met by two men
Thursday 17 June 1880
Derby Daily Telegraph
Derbyshire
Miles Bacon, sen., and Daniel Bacon, father and.son,, two well known characters, residing on Field Head,. Belper, were charged with stealing a quantity of iron rails, the property the Derby ...
Saturday 10 July 1880
Derbyshire Courier
Derbyshire
Stealing Part of the Old Tramway Denby.— Miles Bacon and Daniel Bacon were charged with feloniously stealing iron, at Denby, on the 15th of June
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Wednesday 28 May 1879
Nottingham Evening Post
Nottinghamshire
SERIOUS ACCIDENT IN SNEINTON
John Houseley, Kent-street, Nottingham gave evidence as to the accident and the injury caused, william Bacon, horse dealer, stopped the pony and found no bit in its month, and there was a nose short, and P.s. Heck proved to seeing the pony run away
Wednesday 02 July 1879
Derby Mercury
Miles Bacon, jun., of Belper, coal higgler, was charged with violontly assaulting Miles Bacon. sen., his father
Saturday 19 July 1879
Derbyshire Times and Chesterfield Herald
Derbyshire
—Miles Bacon, sen., Miles Bacon, jun., Daniel Bacon, and Martha Bacon, were summoned
Wednesday 21 May 1879
Derbyshire Times and Chesterfield Herald
Derbyshire
Miles Bacon, jun., of Belper, higgler, was summoned by Joel Tomlinson, of Belper, beerhouse-keeper, with assaulting him, on the 4th
Thursday 06 November 1879
Derby Daily Telegraph
Derbyshire
Cruelty to a Pony.—At the Borough Police Court, this (Thursday) morning, Miles Bacon, a coal-higgler, was summoned for cruelty to a pony, working it in an unfit state.-—Defendant did not appear
Wednesday 17 December 1879
Derby Mercury
Derbyshire
Miles Bacon, jun., a frequenter of the police court, was charged with using a cart at Belper, on the 3rd inst., without having his name
Wednesday 22 May 1878
Derby Mercury
Miles Bacon, of Belper, a notorious bad character, was summoned for laying eight bags of coal upon the Derby and Chesterfiell Turnpike-road ...
Wednesday 31 July 1878
Derby Mercury
Derbyshire
William Bacon and Daniel.Bacon, of Belper, were brought as up In custody charged with being drunk and riotous at Belper, on Sunday, the 21st Instant; ...
Friday 08 November 1878
Derbyshire Advertiser and Journal
Derbyshire
Daniel Bacon, a coal dealer, of Belper, was charged by the inspector of weights and measures, with selling coal otherwise than by weight ...
Saturday 26 April 1873
Derbyshire Times and Chesterfield Herald
Derbyshire
Miles Bacon, of Belper, father of Daniel Bacon, was charged with allowing the animal, which was his property, to be cruelly illused
Saturday 10 December 1870
Derbyshire Times and Chesterfield Herald
Derbyshire
BELPER PETTY SESSIONS. WEDNESDAY. t (Before G. H. Strutt, J. C. Cox, and J. H. Woolley, J Esqrs.) Miles Again.—Miles Bacon, of the Gutter, Belper, a notorious character, was charged with working his horse in a
Wednesday 07 December 1870
Derby Mercury
Derbyshire
Andrew and Daniel Bacon, of Belper, were charged by a person named Smith. of Denby, with stealing on the 3rd inst. Both prisoners (boys) admitted the charge. Andrew to be imprisoned for fourteen days, and Daniel to be whipped ...
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Friday 30 July 1869
Derbyshire Advertiser and Journal
Derbyshire
old defender, was fined for having assaulted Sophia, wife of Miles Bacon, of the Common, Belper
Saturday 11 September 1869
Nottingham Journal
Nottinghamshire
Elias Bacon was charged with trespassing in pursuit of game, on land in the occupation of John Clemant, at Wilford, on the 26th
Saturday 02 May 1868
Derbyshire Times and Chesterfield Herald
Derbyshire
ALFRETON PETTY SESSIONS. FRIDAY.
(Before G. Turbutt, G. C. Hall, and F. Wright, Esqrs.) Game Trespass. — William Bacon, collier, South Nomanton, was charged by Thomas Rawson, servant to V- H. Esq. of Carufiel Hall, near Alfreton, with having trespassed in search of game
Friday 22 May 1868
Derbyshire Advertiser and Journal
Derbyshire
Miles Bacon, of Belper, summoned by Mr. Supt. Shaw for being drunk
Friday 19 June 1868
Derbyshire Advertiser and Journal
Derbyshire
Miles Bacon, of the Gutter, Belper, higgler, was summoned by George Booth on a charge of assault.—Numerous witnesses were called by ...
Friday 11 September 1868
Derbyshire Advertiser and Journal
Derbyshire
Miles Bacon, coal higgler, summoned for leaving his horse and cart unattended on tho Derby and Alfreton turnpike road, on the 29th ...
Friday 09 February 1866
Nottinghamshire Guardian
Nottinghamshire
At the Borough Police Court, Wm. Porter was charged on remand with breaking into a stable in St. Marks Street, occupied by william Bacon, horse dealer, Mill- stone Lane, and stole two horse rugs, and a saddle, and other articles, early on the Ist instant
Friday 03 June 1864
Derbyshire Advertiser and Journal
Derbyshire
Miles Bacon, nailer, Ac., of Horsley Woodhouse, was brought up in custody, under a warrant, charged by Mr. William Melbourne
Saturday 22 August 1863
Derbyshire Courier
Derbyshire
NOTICES
Wellington Hotel Inn, New Whitlington.
on Saturday arising, before C. B. Busby. Esq., coroner, on the body of John Henry Bacon, aged thirteen years. Deceased had been engaged in removing dirt from the ironstone pit
Friday 25 April 1862
Nottinghamshire Guardian
Nottinghamshire
coroner, held an inquest at the Municipal Hall, Chesterfield, on the body of an illegitimate child of Kate Bacon, daughter of Mr. John Bacon, brick manufacturer, Hasland. The child had fallen from its mother's breast whilst in bed, and had got suffocated
saturday 10 August 1861
Derbyshire Courier
Derbyshire
Were killed some days before, but I never went beyond the fifth dip. John Watts and James Bonsall were also working there. William Bacon, a collier, said: I remembered being in the deep workings many times. I worked in the old workings and in No. 2, and I
Saturday 12 October 1861
Derbyshire Courier
Derbyshire
Fraudulent Removal of Goods.
—Henry Bacon, of Northwingfield, collier, was charged by Thomas Unwin with fraudulently removing his household goods to evade the payment
Wednesday 04 January 1860
Nottingham Journal
Nottinghamshire
David Bacon, was indicted for uttering two counterfeit florins, well knowing them to be counterfeit, at Hucknall
Thursday 05 January 1860
Nottinghamshire Guardian
Nottinghamshire
Uttering Counterfeit Florins at hucknall under Huthwaite. David Bacon 24, framework-knitter, and Mark Taylor, 30, framework knitter, pleaded not guilty to an indictment
Saturday 02 June 1860
Nottingham Journal
Nottinghamshire, England
George Roper and George Price were brought up, in the custody of Detective Bacon, charged with being deserters from the 11th Hussars. They were apprehended at Carrington barracks last night
Thursday 06 December 1860
Nottinghamshire Guardian
Nottinghamshire, England
Robbery from the Females' Home.— Mary Manning, an inmate of the Nottingham Females' Home, was brought up, charged by Detective Bacon with stealing a quantity of wearing apparel from that institution, the property of the committee.— Remanded till Tuesday
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Saturday 18 May 1839
Derbyshire Courier
for a most violent assault upon William Bacon, of Shirland, miner.—Edward Gratton, of Alton, in the parish of Ashover, was convicted in mitigated penalty
Saturday 05 October 1839
Derbyshire Courier
Derbyshire
MARRIAGES
... place, on Wednesday, Mr. Miles Bacon, net-weaver, to Miss Patience Camm—Also, Mr. Samuel Bacon, to Miss Martha Brightmore, all of Chesterfield. At the Friends’ Meeting House, Sheffield, on Thursday, the ult., Mr. Henry Dickenson, tailor and draper. ...
Friday 23 October 1829
Nottingham Review and General Advertiser for the Midland Counties
Nottinghamshire
Jacob Bacon, Sutton-in-Ashfield, framework-knitter, was convicted for using a dog to kill game in that parish
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Friday 03 April 1818
Nottingham Review and General Advertiser for the Midland Counties
Nottinghamshire
the General Quarter Sessions of the Peace for the county of Derby, held Monday and Tuesday last, Thomas Bacon and Ann Bacon, for stealing a quantity of hay at Tupton, were ordered to lie imprisoned for three months
Friday 03 April 1818
Nottingham Review and General Advertiser for the Midland Counties
Nottinghamshire
Thomas Bacon and Ann Bacon, for stealing a quantity of hay at Tupton, were ordered lie imprisoned three months; Ann Briddon, for stealing from a clothes hedge, a pillow ...
Friday 22 August 1817
Stamford Mercury
Lincolnshire
Correspondent marvels that for this he was neither set in the stocks nor ducked in the river, Thomas Bacon, charged with being concerned in the Derbyshire riots, and his brother John, against both whom an indictment for high treason was
Thursday 23 January 1806
Derby Mercury
Derbyshire
SESSIONS BUSINESS.
At the General Quarter Sessions for this county, held at the county-hall on Tuesday and Wednesday last, Daniel Bacon alias, convicted of stealing two geese and one gander, he was ordered to be imprisoned for one year in the house of correction at derby
Thursday 29 March 1798
Derby Mercury
Derbyshire
Daniel Bacon, convicted of stealing a quantity of wearing apparel, and other articles, the property of William Holland, of Barton
Thursday 19 June 1794
Derby Mercury
Derbyshire
Gaoler or Keeper, or his Deputy, of the said Prison. debtors' names. BACON GEORGE, by Trade a Pot-Maker, late of Crich. BOOTH WILLIAM, ditto Labourer, late of Charlef- worth. ELLIOTT JOHN, ditto Miller, of Stockworth, but late of Wirksworth
Daniel Bacon (a hermit) for stealing a coat, to; be imprisoned for twelvemonths
Thursday 06 March 1788
Derby Mercury
Derbyshire
DERBY, March 12. This Day was committed to the County Gaol Henry Bacon, charged with stealing ten Pairs of Men's, Women's, and Children's Shoes, the Property of George Bonnington, of Ashover
Thursday 20 March 1788
Derby Mercury
Derbyshire, England
Henry Bacon, for stealing ten Pair of Shoes, the Property of George Bonnington of Ashover
Friday 11 May 1781
Derby Mercury
Derbyshire
A MESSUAGE, with the Appurtenances, situate in' Crich, in the said County of Derby, now in Pofression of Miles Bacon ; and also one Close in Crich aforesaid, called Barley Close, now in the Occupation of Joseph Hepworth
Friday 03 March 1780
Derby Mercury
Derbyshire
Henry Bacon, charged with feloniously breaking open the Dweling of John Cooke, of Chefterfield, in the night of the 3d Inftant
Friday 10 March 1780
Derby Mercury
Derbyshire
Henry Bacon, for stealing from John Cooper of Chefterfield a Pair of Shoes, a Pair of Silver Shoe Buckles, one Pair of Stockings, one Handkerchief, and a Parcel of Half-pence.
Friday 04 September 1772
Derby Mercury
Derbyshire
John Bacon for assaulting Mr. Henry Mountain on the Highway, and taking from him a Silver Watch, and Five Shillings in Money
Thu 27 Mar 1740
Derby Mercury
Derbyshire
On Friday last at the Aflizes ended here, when three Persons received Sentence of Death, viz. William Dolphin and James Hill for Robbing Mr lord near Chefterfield on the Highway, of a confiderable Sum of Money , and Samuel Gilbert for stealing a Black Mare ; the former is ordered for Execution, and the two latter are Reprieved. Richard Thompson. and Joseph Bacon, on suspicion of being concerned with the above Wm. Dolphin and James Hill, were both acquitted William wheeldon, condernned the last Summer Affizes, is ordered to he transported for 14 Years; and Geo Ashmore to continue in Goal till the next Affizes
Thu 01 Oct 1724
Stamford Mercury
Lincolnshire
stolen out Samuel Bacon's Stable, at the Red-Lyon in Lincoln, a Bay Mare with Tail and Mane, with Saddle and Bridle. Whoever Notice of the said Mare to Samuel Bacon shall get a well reward ...
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Friday 15 July 1859
Derbyshire Advertiser and Journal
Derbyshire
BELPER. Petty Sessions, July7.—[Before G.H. Strutt, Esq.] —Miles Bacon, nailor, Horsley Woodhouse, and Matilda Bacon, were brought up in the custody of constable Shelby, charged with stealing a watch. Prosecutor being drunk at the time the watch was stolen
Saturday 05 January 1856
Derbyshire Courier
Derbyshire
Stealing Cheese at Belper. —Charles Bacon, alias Whitey Bacon, a sergeant in the Derby Militia, and Susannah Bead, 44. were charged stealing cheese
Saturday 09 February 1856
Derbyshire Courier
Derbyshire
Proof of this was afforded on Saturday last, by the demonstration which was made to welcome the return of Sergeant Major William Bacon, of the 7th Royal fusileers, to Briminglon, his native village. The carriage, was drawn by four greys, as they proceeded to the station
Thursday 19 July 1855
Nottinghamshire Guardian
Nottinghamshire
on Saturday last, aged 6 years, Miles, youngest son of the late Mr. Miles Bacon, of Shire Oaks, Belper
Saturday 11 November 1854
Derbyshire Courier
Derbyshire
THE HEROES OF THE CRIMEA
the most gallant and brave manner; in several instances are in our knowledge, and to such we have now to add the name of William Bacon, of Brimington, son of a shoemaker of that place, who has been for ten years in the Scots’ Fusilier Guards, in which regiment
Saturday 20 March 1852
Derbyshire Courier
Derbyshire
Miles Bacon, and Vincent Horsley, charged with having stolen, on the 12th of January last, at the parish Denby. six hen fowls and one cock fowl, the property of Samuel Weston
Friday 26 December 1851
Nottingham Journal
Nottinghamshire
WOODTHORPE COLLIERY EXPLOBION.—On Wednesday the 10th inst. the inquest on the bodies of William Ramsden, Samuel Bacon, and Charles Stone, the three men whose deaths were occasioned by the explosion at this colliery
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Friday 13 August 1847
Derbyshire Advertiser and Journal
Derbyshire
COMMITTED TO DERBY COUNTY GAOL. John Bacon, Horsley woodhouse, committed to hard labour fourteen days, for vagrancy
Friday 10 February 1843
Nottingham Review and General Advertiser for the Midland Counties
Nottinghamshire
William Bacon was convicted by Francis Hart, Esq., of having unlawfully cut, with intent to steal, part of a live fence belonging Mr. Wm. Hallam, of Stapleford
Saturday 08 August 1840
Derbyshire Courier
Derbyshire
CRIMINAL CASES. John Bacon, alias John Jackson, aged 32, was placed at the bar, charged with feloniously inter marring with Harriet Beddow, at church tinesley. on the 16th day of May, 1837, his first wife Sarah Bacon being then alive
Friday 14 August 1840
Nottingham Journal
Nottinghamshire
with feloniously intermarrying with Harriet Beddow, at Church tinesley. on the 16th day of May. 1837, his first wife Sarah Bacon being then alive. Guilty. Judge Tindal.—lt is perfectly clear that the prisoner was a person of very disolute habits
Saturday 18 May 1839
Derbyshire Courier
for a most violent assault upon William Bacon, of Shirland, miner.—Edward Gratton, of Alton, in the parish of Ashover, was convicted in mitigated penalty
Saturday 05 October 1839
Derbyshire Courier
Derbyshire
MARRIAGES
... place, on Wednesday, Mr. Miles Bacon, net-weaver, to Miss Patience Camm—Also, Mr. Samuel Bacon, to Miss Martha Brightmore, all of Chesterfield. At the Friends’ Meeting House, Sheffield, on Thursday, the ult., Mr. Henry Dickenson, tailor and draper. ...
Friday 23 October 1829
Nottingham Review and General Advertiser for the Midland Counties
Nottinghamshire
Jacob Bacon, Sutton-in-Ashfield, framework-knitter, was convicted for using a dog to kill game in that parish
Friday 03 April 1818
Nottingham Review and General Advertiser for the Midland Counties
Nottinghamshire
the General Quarter Sessions of the Peace for the county of Derby, held Monday and Tuesday last, Thomas Bacon and Ann Bacon, for stealing a quantity of hay at Tupton, were ordered to lie imprisoned for three months
Friday 03 April 1818
Nottingham Review and General Advertiser for the Midland Counties
Nottinghamshire
Thomas Bacon and Ann Bacon, for stealing a quantity of hay at Tupton, were ordered lie imprisoned three months; Ann Briddon, for stealing from a clothes hedge, a pillow ...
Friday 22 August 1817
Stamford Mercury
Lincolnshire
Correspondent marvels that for this he was neither set in the stocks nor ducked in the river, Thomas Bacon, charged with being concerned in the Derbyshire riots, and his brother John, against both whom an indictment for high treason was
Thursday 23 January 1806
Derby Mercury
Derbyshire
SESSIONS BUSINESS.
At the General Quarter Sessions for this county, held at the county-hall on Tuesday and Wednesday last, Daniel Bacon alias, convicted of stealing two geese and one gander, he was ordered to be imprisoned for one year in the house of correction at derby
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i got a few of the post dates mixed up, as in order but will leave it as it is, next i will show you my evidence of the Bacons from the South
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Friday 01 February 1929
Chelmsford Chronicle
Essex
The funeral took place yesterday at the Writtle Road Cemetery Mrs. Charlotte Bacon. Kings Road, who died Sunday. Deceased, who was 81 years of age, was the widow Mr. Eli Bacon, who died in former years the couple were well known at local markets traders
Friday 11 November 1927
Sevenoaks Chronicle and Kentish Advertiser
Kent
Charles Bacon, of the Gipsy Camp, Crowborough, was summoned', for driving a horse and cart in an alleged furious manner at Crowborough in October, George James and Alfred Smith, also of the Gipsy Camp, summoned for similar offences
Saturday 09 January 1926
Essex Newsman
Essex
Eli Bacon, fishmonger, High Street, for failing to keep a dog under control, was fined 2/6.
Friday 16 April 1926
Kent & Sussex Courier
Kent
STRAYING HORSES. Charles Bacon and William Bacon, of Crowborough, were each fined for allowing horses to stray at Crowborough on March 24th.
Friday 26 November 1926
Sevenoaks Chronicle and Kentish Advertiser
Kent
CROWBOROUGH GIPSY FINED. Charles Bacon, of the Gipsy Camp, Crowborough, was summoned for leaving cart unattended on the highway, at Rotherfield, November
Friday 26 September 1924
Kent & Sussex Courier
Kent
FERRETING AT CROWBOROUCH. Henry Simpson and Charlie Bacon. Gipsy Camp, Crowborough, were summoned for trespassing
Friday 26 September 1924
Sussex Agricultural Express
Sussex
at the Mark Cross Petty Sessions on Tuesday, Henry Simpson and Charlie Bacon, of the Gipsy Camp. Crowborough, were summoned for trespassing in search of conies, upon land in the occupation of Mr. Dibble, at Rotherfield ...
Friday 22 December 1922
Kent & Sussex Courier
Kent
Charles Bacon, Gipsy Camp, Crowborough. pleaded guilty to allowing a horse to stray December 2nd, and was fined on the evidence of P.C. Plumb. MADMAN AT CROWBOROUCH. George James, Gipsy Camp. Crowborough, was summoned ...
Saturday 08 June 1918
Essex Newsman
Essex
CHELMSFORD. Death of Mr, Eli Bacon.—Mr. Eli Bacon, well-known greer grocer. of New Street, died on Saturday at the age of 76, after a long illness. He leaves a widow and large grown-up family
Saturday 25 August 1917
Essex Newsman
Essex
CHELMSFORD PETTY SESSION
. Eli Bacon, greengrocer, Chelmsford, was summoned for drivine to the common danger at Chelmsford on August 20
Saturday 25 December 1915
Essex Newsman
Essex
A FATAL SKID
... and then saw a man with the boy in his arms. The deceased was bright little fellow, and grandson of Mr. Eli Bacon, fruiterer. Mr. C. E. Lewis, coroner, conducted the inquest at the Cedar Hotel on Wednesday afternoon. The father gave evidence ...
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Friday 14 March 1913
Sussex Agricultural Express
Sussex
WARBLETON
... A WARBLETON MYSTERY. Man's Body found in a Pond. Mr. Chas. E. Sheppnrd Hastings conducted an inquiry at the Three Cups Inn, Warbleton, on Friday afternoon, into the circumstances attending the death of Robert Bacon, an old man. The deceased had been missing for about a week —Mr- Joseph Oliver was chosen foreman for the jury. Edward Bacon, a hawker, Warbleton, said deceased was his father. He travelled the district collecting rags and bones. He previously lived in Hastings, and came to Warbleton to live about eight months ago.
Witness understood that deceased had for the last two months slept in a shed at Little Brewers Farm.
Friday 19 April 1907
Cambridge Independent Press
Cambridgeshire
At the Saffron Walden Borough Sessions on Saturday, Eli Bacon, fruiterer, Chelmsford, was fined 10s. and 14s. costs, for having been fourd drunk at Saffron Walden
Saturday 28 January 1905
Barking, East Ham & Ilford Advertiser, Upton Park and Dagenham Gazette
London
Rats have again invaded the slaughterhouse and outbuildings of the kennels of the Essex Union Hunt; and the services of Mr. Eli Bacon have been again called into requisition. No fewer than 21 were caught alive in traps
Saturday 12 March 1904
Sussex Agricultural Express
Sussex
NEGLIGENT DRIVERS. Edward Bacon, hawker, was fined for leaving a horse and cart unattended, at Mayfield, on February 27th.—For a similar offence, on the same occasion, George Fuller, hawker, was fined 6s. inclusive
Saturday 02 May 1903
Sussex Agricultural Express
Sussex
... WITHOUT A NAME. Matilda Bacon, hawker, Warbleton, was summoned for not having her name painted on her cart, fined. UNATTENDED VEHICLE. Charles Goodsell, of Crowhurst, for leaving his horse and van unattended outside the Railway Hotel, April 23rd, was fined ...
Saturday 30 March 1901
Essex Newsman
Essex
MR. ELI BACON AND HIS HORSE.
Eli Bacon, greengrocer. Chelmsford, pleaded not to ill treating a horse by working it while in a unfit state. P.c.
Saturday 06 October 1900
Thanet Advertiser
Kent
Thomas Bacon, hawker, was fined £l, including costs, for leaving his horse and cart unattended at Minster on Sept. 15th. Defendant was arrested
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Saturday 18 February 1899
Sussex Agricultural Express
Sussex
MATILDA BACON, gipsy, for having no legible name attached to her cart, Dallington, was fined 6s
Friday 29 October 1897
Chelmsford Chronicle
Essex
Piggeries New-street.—The Council decided give notice to Mr. Eli Bacon notice to abate a nuisance arising from the piggeries in his occupation the rear of New-street by removing the pigs and cleansing ...
Tuesday 06 February 1894
Sussex Agricultural Express
Sussex
DRUNK AND DISORDERLY. Thomas Bacon, licensed hawker, Holmwood, was charged with being drunk and disorderly at Windmillhill on the 27th ult. —P.C. Bourne proved the case, and a fine was imposed. Seven days in default
Tuesday 01 May 1894
Essex Herald
Essex
Bacon and his Barrow. —Eli Bacon, fruiterer. was charged upon the Information of P.c. Moore, supported by Mr. Thomas Dixon, the town clerk
Saturday 07 January 1893
Sussex Agricultural Express
Sussex
A LUCKY GET OFF
... A LUCKY GET OFF. Wm. Isden, 19, soldier, was indicted for feloniously stealing A mare, the property OF Matilda Bacon, at Ore, on the 2nd December, 1892.—Mr. W. Grantham prosecuted. —Prisoner pleaded guilty.—The afair was considered to be but A drunken freak ...
Tuesday 17 January 1893
Mid Sussex Times
Sussex
Thomas Bacon, an itinerant horse dealer, who did not appear, was summoned for allowing three horses to stray in Cburch-street, Cuckfield, the 9th inst
Saturday 28 October 1893
Essex Newsman
Essex
CHELMSFORD PETTY SESSION THIS DAY
Eli Bacon a,nd Arthur Layzell, fish hawkers, of Chelmsford, were charged with having used certain dogs for searching for and killing game
Tuesday 05 April 1892
Sussex Agricultural Express
Sussex
STRAYING HORSES
Frederick Bacon, hawker, Holmwood, was summoned for allowing horse to stray on the Highway leading from Beare Lodge to Capel on the 10th March
Friday 27 February 1891
Chelmsford Chronicle
Essex
ESSEX ADJOURNED QUARTER SESSION
... for relief from the Maldon Board, read. She was said to be living with her parenti, Mr. and Mrs. Eli Bacon, of Newstreet, Chelmsford, and the earnings of Bacon were such not to permit him to contribute towards the support of his grandchildren
Saturday 14 March 1891
Hastings and St Leonards Observer
Sussex
George Morris gave evidence to the same effect saving that the defendant hit the pony more than 20 times. —Charles Bacon, hawker, and Barry gave evidence in defence, but the Magistrates considered the case proved, these witnesses could not swear that
Saturday 22 February 1890
Essex Newsman
Essex
A Serious Fire Averted.—On Tuesday morning, Mrs. Bacon, wife of Mr. Eli Bacon, of New-street, who was confined to her bed by illness, noticed smoke in the room. She attracted the attention ...
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Saturday 22 December 1888
Essex Standard
Essex
Eli Bacon, sen., fish dealer, of Chelmsford, was summoned for obstructing the highway at Witham, on Nov. 27th, by allowing his horse ...
Saturday 25 March 1882
Hastings and St Leonards Observer
HASTINGS COUNTY BENCH
ASSAULT ON A WOMAN. Alfred Oillett, who did not appear, was summoned for assaulting Naomi Bacon, a flower hawker, at Ore, on the 13th March.—The assault was a violent one, and complainant said it was entirely unprovoked
Saturday 01 October 1881
Essex Newsman
Essex
as a man named Eli Bacon was vending fruits in the road near the Chelmsford Cricket Club ground, while the athletic sports were in progress, his dog, which accompanied him, engaged in a fight with another dog, and Bacon, in endeavouring to part ...
Saturday 03 July 1880
Gravesend Reporter, North Kent and South Essex Advertiser
Kent
John Bacon, hawker, was summoned fur obstructing the footway, at Dartford, by selling potatoes out of a box
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Tuesday 10 May 1870
Essex Herald
Essex
Charged with stealing 19 oranges, value Is. 9d., from a stall, the property of Eli Bacon
Saturday 21 May 1870
Essex Newsman
Essex
ORANGES CHELMSFORD-. Abraham Gamble, laborer, was indicted for stealing 19 oranges, valued at ls. 9d, the property of Eli Bacon, at Chelmsford, on the 30th April. Mr. Tayler appeared for the prosecution: the prisoner was undefended
Friday 20 August 1875
Chelmsford Chronicle
Essex
Obstructing a Thoroughfare. Eli Bacon hawker, was summoned at the instance of the Chelmsford Local Board of Health, for allowing af ruit truck to stand in the highway
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Wednesday 08 August 1866
Essex Standard
Essex
John Bacon, hawker, was summoned by Mr. T. Bouse, Inspector of Weights and Measures, for having an unjust measure in his possession
Monday 13 February 1865
Maidstone Journal and Kentish Advertiser
Kent
Cutting Broom.—At the same time and place as the above, Thomas Bacon, a broom-dasher, was charged with cutting a quantity of broom, value 6d., on the estate of A. J. Beresford-Hope, Esq., at Bcdgebury
Saturday 24 November 1855
Hampshire Chronicle
Hampshire
DEATH
On Monday, aged 75, Mrs. Bacon, relict of the late Mr. J. Bacon, the well-known horse dealer, of Queen-street, Portsea
Friday 16 February 1849
Chelmsford Chronicle
Essex
Susan Bacon, wife of John, was indicted for enticing Julia Sarah Collins to commit a felony, and afterwards receiving her one pound and a half ...
Friday 23 November 1849
Chelmsford Chronicle
Essex
St. Gregory's, Sudbury, Mr. Wm. Hurrell bricklayer and plasterer, of Burkitt's-lane, Sarah, daughter of the late Mr. John Bacon, gardener, formerly of Cross-street, Sudbury. 14th inst. at the Independent chapel, Bishops Stortford, by the Rev. W. A. Harndall
Tuesday 14 March 1848
Essex Herald
Essex
James Bacon, 28, labourer, was charged with stealing a saw and some chisels, from Robt, Lancaster
Friday 07 May 1847
Chelmsford Chronicle
Essex
George Bacon, Mrs. Bacon's father, corroborated her testimony.— Philpot was dressed in female clothes.—Ordered to be bound over to keep the peace
Tuesday 13 January 1846
Essex Herald
Essex
Robert Bacon pleaded guilty to stealing a pair of shoes from John Cooke, at Great Oakley.— Three months hard labour
Friday 20 October 1843
Chelmsford Chronicle
Essex
John Bacon, 28, labourer, pleaded guilty to stealing a putty knife and other articles, the property of Stephen Gower, at Stunner
Friday 21 October 1842
Chelmsford Chronicle
Essex
13th inst. in the 71st year of her age, Mrs. Phoebe Bacon, relict of Mr. Abraham Bacon, cabinet maker, &c. Chelmsford. 13th inst. after short illness, in the 80th year of her age
Friday 10 January 1840
Chelmsford Chronicle
Essex
An inquest on Wm. Bacon, and a verdict of manslaughter returned against Joseph and Hannah Bacon, the father and stepmother
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Monday 07 October 1839
Hampshire Chronicle
Hampshire
Died suddenly, on Tuesday, at Bridgewater, Mr. John Bacon, bone dealer, of Bishop-street. Portsea. Died, on Wednesday
Monday 07 October 1839
Hampshire Telegraph
Hampshire
Births, Deaths, Marriages and Obituaries
A few days since, of apoplexy, while attending Bridgewater Fair, Mr. John Bacon, the well-known Horse-dealer, of Porsea
Saturday 05 October 1839
Hampshire Advertiser
Hampshire
Mr. John Bacon, horse dealer. Died, on the 2nd inst, in Camden Alley, Portsea
Saturday 14 September 1839
Hampshire Advertiser
Hampshire
Married, at Kingston, on the 10th inst., Mr. John Morgan, to Anne, daughter of Mr. J. Bacon, horse dealer, both of Queen Street, Portsea. Married, at Kingston, on the 13th instant
Tuesday 18 August 1829
Essex Herald
Essex
A Farm, called BACONS FARM, in the parish of Chapel, in the occupation of William Dean, on lease for 14 years, from Michaelmas, the yearly rent ...
Tuesday 18 August 1829
Essex Herald
Essex
At the County Magistrates sitting: Colchester Castle, Saturday last, on the 15th instant. John Bacon and Edward Netard, both of Boxtead, this county, were brought before the Magistrates, a warrant having been granted for that ...
Tuesday 23 June 1829
Essex Herald
Essex
charged arainst them:— Death. Charles Smith, Henry Pike. Mary Browne, Susannah Gibbs, Mary Ann Bacon, Thomas Devine, George Edwards, William Jones, and Joseph Byron, for stealing in the dwelling-houses above the value of £6. —Thomas ...
Monday 12 February 1827
Hampshire Chronicle
Hampshire
John Bacon, James Poffiey, Samuel Dibby, John Watts, Richard Shaw, and Jonathan King, labourers, for a violent assault on John Hemblin, Governor of the workhouse
Friday 01 August 1800
Stamford Mercury
Lincolnshire
Joseph Bacon, of Fulham, in the county Middlelsex, potter, dealer and chapman
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Published: Monday 22 September 1783
Newspaper: Reading Mercury
County: Berkshire
Lawrence Bacon, Reading, grocer, agent for the company for the town of Reading and parts adjacent
Published: Sat 13 Mar 1736
Newspaper: Ipswich Journal
County: Suffolk
... John Bull, Martin Bacon, and James Priest, were convicted of a Felony and without the Benefit of the Clergy, were order'd for Tranfportation. Several others were difcharg'd for want of Prosecution. But John Boswell, Edward Boswell, Thomas Boswell, Elizabeth Boswell ........
Friday 04 June 1784
Chelmsford Chronicle
Essex
On Monday died Mr. Richard Bacon, a reputable farmer, Willisham, in Suffolk
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now i will show you evidence of Bacons from Selston who may not be the Bacons i am looking for, this is a real hard research, it could go several ways
Monday 31 December 1934
Nottingham Journal
Nottinghamshire
SELSTON OLD FOLKS
... Rev. P. A. Sharp (Vicar of Selston) presided over the gathering. The crowning” Ceremony was performed bv the vicar’s wife (Mrs. Sharp) and the oldest woman present was Mrs. Fanny Bacon, aged 83
Saturday 16 April 1921
Nottingham Evening Post
Nottinghamshire, England
HAUNTED HOUSE. SELSTON MEN FINED FOR FOOLISH TRICK. We thought the house was unatenanted and haunted. We had also had a drink, pleaded. six young colliers belonging to Selston, named John Kirlsham, Bertram Kirlsham, Charles W George, Henry Bacon….
Wednesday 30 June 1915
Nottingham Evening Post
Nottinghamshire
HURLED 600 FEET DOWN PIT SHAFT
At present their names are unknown. The following are the names of THE INJURED: W. Bacon. Woodnook, Selston, injury head and left leg. C. Bacon (son), of Lower Selston. The latter of these men was very seriously injured. He was taken on the ambulance
Wednesday 30 June 1915
Derby Daily Telegraph
Derbyshire
COLLIERY DISASTER NEAR MANSFIELD
The two seriously injured are William and Charles Bacon, father and son
Friday 02 July 1915
Nottingham Journal
Nottinghamshire, England
The Identifications
At St. Michael’s street, Sutton, also gave evidence in identification, and Mary Bacon, of Near the Post Office. Selston, identified the body of her husband, William Bacon, There were, she said, seven children
Friday 02 July 1915
Mansfield Reporter
Nottinghamshire, England
BENTINCK PIT. TEN K I LLED AND CAGES COLLIDE
The following is a list of killed and iniured.
KILLED.
William Bacon, near the Post-office, Selston. Leaves a widow and seven children. Harold Brown, St. Michael's-street, Sutton-in-Ashfield
Friday 09 July 1915
Mansfield Reporter
Nottinghamshire
BAD SCENES AT SUTTON AND KIRKBY
Through the streets.
The funeral of John C. Fletcher, of Prospect-street, Kirkby, took place on Sunday, and the remains of William Bacon, of Selston, were interred on Friday. At the various places of worship in Kirkby and the district on Sunday
Monday 16 August 1915
Nottingham Evening Post
Nottinghamshire
THE BENTINCK PIT CAGE DISASTER
When his Honour Judge W. B. Allen made awards in six of the under in the Workmen's Compensation Act. In the case of William Bacon, jun., Selston, whos widow and seven children, the company paid into court, and the judge ordered £5 to paid forthwith
Wednesday 27 October 1915
Nottingham Journal
Nottinghamshire
INJURED MINER DIES
the death of Charles Henry Bacon, of Selston. Which occurred Monday night the result, it is stated, of injurey serstained in the disaster. Bacon had been employed at the pit a considerable time before the disaster
Thursday 28 October 1915
Nottingham Evening Post
Nottinghamshire
THE BENTINCK COLLIERY DISASTER
when nine men were killed and several others injured, has been recalled this week by the death of another victim, Charles Henry Bacon, aged 36. of Lower Mexborough-road, Selston, who died at his home on Monday last, and upon whose body the inquest was held
Saturday 30 October 1915
Sheffield Evening Telegraph
South Yorkshire
collided in the shaft, and nine men were dashed hundreds of feet into the sump below. Amongst the men’ killed was William Bacon, and his father and brother were injured, and now the latter, who resided at Selston, has succumbed his injuries
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Wednesday 18 January 1899
Nottingham Journal
Nottinghamshire
The soloist on this occasion was Master A. Bacon, of Selston. Mr. Arthur Bacon, of Selston, was also present, and gave an exhibition of his skill as a leader of an orchestral band
Saturday 12 August 1899
Nottinghamshire Guardian
Nottinghamshire
FLOWER SHOWS
William Bacon, Selston (ten firsts, thirteen seconds), W. L. Belts, Mansfield Woodhouse, S. Buttery, of Mansfield, and E. Harpham, Selston, the last- named obtaining no fewer than
Friday 08 September 1899
Nottingham Journal
Nottinghamshire
MANSFIELD PETTY SESSIONS
Game Trespass at Selston—James Peach, Robert Bacon, and William Kirkland were charged with trespassing in pursuit of game in the parish of Selston.
Saturday 09 September 1899
Derbyshire Times and Chesterfield Herald
Derbyshire
A Brass Band were engaged, and they gave a suitable programme of music. The were: Mr J. Marshall, Alfreton. and Mr W. Bacon, of Selston. and they carried out their duties satisfactorily
Friday 05 June 1868
Nottinghamshire Guardian
Nottinghamshire
ALLEGED COCK FIGHTING AT SELSTON
Fighting with game fowls at Selston Common, on the 18th May, and the persons were also charged with aiding and abetting the same : -Stephen Evans, William Stokes, John Cousins, Charles Simpkins, Absolam Thorpe, John Terrey, Robert Howitt, Samuel Bacon……….
roots web
Subject: HARPER/BACON
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:47:03 HARPER - Robert born Barney, Norfolk - married Mary Ann Bacon from Hindolveston, at Selston, Notts, in 1868. He became a miner and had children Jane Ann, J.C., Maria, Matilda, George, Harry, Bertha - all born at Selston - and William born at Bulwell.
BACON - Charles - born Brinton, Norfolk, married Ann Codling from Hindolveston - parents of Mary Ann - moved to Selston around 1863 and became a gamekeeper. Had children Mary Ann b Hindolveston, Samuel Robert, George, William, Elisha, Susan Jane, Thomas - all born Annesley - and James born Tithby.
as you may read above there is a Charles Bacon born in Norfolk who becomes a Gamekeeper in Selston in the 1860s, you would think that was an easy clue, but just read this below, it is great fun looking for clues and true when you find things you feel good about it, yet the untruth is you can find information and create a true story, history is so full of names and dates connected to many the story that may be joined but truthfully they may lead you down the wrong road, so from reading the story above I found a Gamekeeper from Selston named Bacon, but it is before the timescale stated above, boy ho boy, my head is spinning, where do all these Bacons keep coming from, there's many many Bacons who were Gamekeepers all round the country, wow is all I'll say.
Nottinghamshire Guardian 1855-Charles Bacon Gamekeeper-Selston.
Sheffield Independent-1881-Francis Bacon-Gamekeeper.
Western Gazette-1880-William Bacon-Gamekeeper.
Essex Newsman-1877-George Bacon-Gamekeeper.
Sheffield Independent-1847-John Bacon-Gamekeeper.
Chelmsford Chronicle-1910-George Bacon-Gamekeeper.
Beverley and East Riding Recorder-1891-William Bacon Gamekeeper.
Dorset County Chronicle-1866-George Bacon-Gamekeeper.
Derbyshire Advertiser and Journal-1868-Samuel Bacon-Gamekeeper.
Northampton Mercury-1892-Henry Bacon-Gamekeeper.
Derbyshire Courier-1856-William Bacon-Gamekeeper.
Chelmsford Chronicle-1853-John Bacon- Gamekeeper.
there are many more Gamekeeper stories with the name Bacon in, some of them really interesting, I just wanted to help anyone who like me is trying to find information from past history, be careful not to get to carried away, you may make a story out of many things, just try and try to find several stories that link up, around Selston I have found Bacons winning flower shows and the best vegetables in farm contests, I have found Band Masters named Bacon from Selston over a hundred years ago, there are Bacons buried in the same Church Yard as Daniel Boswell, there are Bacons on the same Church walls in Plaques, I could put on a hundred stories of records of Bacons who from the dates and locations seem to link up with who I am trying to find yet they may not have a single connection to which I am seeking, just be careful in your search, I do not know how Sue finds all the information She does, I would say it takes years to become remotely evan half good at Genealogy
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do not forget Selston Selstone was a one horse place back the 1800s, what is the truth, who will be able to find it,
look at this mad record, Genealogy is great, it is real mad tho
Friday 27 October 1826
Stamford Mercury
Lincolnshire
George Bacon, very stout athletic man, bearing the colour of the gipsy tribe, a charge for breaking the peace towards his wife, was discharged
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last of all these are the record evidence i have found of the Bacons from this way that i think are the ones i am looking for, everything is there, are they rearly Bacons, are they related to lots of Gipsies, who are they, did it all start with Emily when she wed into the Bacons who came up from the south, what is the truth, i know in my heart someone will help them, so these are my last words
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Thursday 27 February 1947
Nottingham Evening Post
Nottinghamshire
DRIVER’S COAL TRICK
Coomb’s-yard, Sutton-in- Ashfield, on the night of February 4th, shovelling open cast coal from a lorry into the cellar, Charles Henry Bacon, 28, was put on probation for 12 months with costs, at Mansfield to-day, for stealing the coal, valued at 2s
Thursday 10 February 1944
Nottingham Evening Post
Nottinghamshire
Sequel To Police And Military Visit John Bacon and his wife, Emma, residing at Coombs-yard, Sutton-in-Ashfield, were at Mansfield, to-day, summoned for aiding and assisting their two sons, Ambrose and Wm. Bacon, members of the R.A.F., to desert
Friday 24 April 1942
Derbyshire Times and Chesterfield Herald
Derbyshire
In the case of Wm. Bacon, 1. Caravan Site, Raglan Street, who admitted driving a car without a policy of insurance. The penalty was £3
Tuesday 20 May 1941
Nottingham Journal
Nottinghamshire
Theft from Lowdham, a Man remanded on bail until Friday next was charged at Nottm. Guildhall yesterday William Bacon (37), lorry driver. The Fairground. Alfreton, was charged with stealing a lady’s platinum and diamond wrist watch
Friday 23 May 1941
Nottingham Evening Post
Nottinghamshire
THEFT CHARGE DISMISSED
Accused would be given the benefit of the doubt, and dismissed a charge of theft brought under the Defence Regulations against William Bacon, 37, whose address was given as the Fair Ground, Alfreton. He pleaded not guilty to stealing a diamond platinum wrist watch
Wednesday 24 May 1939
Nottingham Journal
Nottinghamshire
NOTTINGHAM MAN FINED A Nottingham dealer, Ambrose Bacon, was charged at the Melton Petty Sessions yesterday with driving a motor car and trailer without due care and attention at the Sea grave cross-roads. Thrussington. He was fined 305
Friday 21 February 1936
Nottingham Evening Post Friday
Nottinghamshire
ALLEGED FALSE PRETENCES AT TIBSHELF.
HIS STORY TO A LOCAL TRADER.
John James Bacon. 53, Hawker, of Garden Lane Burns Street Sutton-in-Ashfield was brought up in custody at Clay Cross to-day and remanded on a charge of attempting to obtain seven pounds by false pretences from George Stanley Clark, at Tibshelf, on February 20th. Bacon visited Mr. Clarks shop and asked to be allowed to leave his kit bag until the following day.
This permission was granted.
Returning to the shop the next morning Bacon opened the bag and took out two rugs, one of which he represented to be a Persian, and the other a Russian. Bear skin, these he offered to sell to Clark for seven pounds. Bacon stated that he was a sailor and had sailed the seven seas, adding that he had been shipwrecked four times. He wished to get back to Liverpool, and was therefore, trying to sell the rugs at considerably less than their value. P.C Kelly who happened to be in the shop at the same time overheard the conversation and being suspicious took Bacon into custody.
Bacon remanded.
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Tuesday 25 February 1936
Nottingham Evening Post
Nottinghamshire
PERSIAN RUG MADE IN BELGIUM
SUTTON PEDLAR'S STORY AT TIBSHELF. HEARD BY HIDDEN POLICEMAN. MAN WHO HAD BEEN SHIPWRECkED. At Alfreton to-day John James Bacon, 52, pedlar, of Burns-street, Sutton-in-Ashfield, was fined and £2 15s. 9d. costs on a charge of attempting to obtain by false pretences the sum of £7, from George Stanley Clarke, of High-street, Tibshelf, on February 20th. Mr. R. A ... Young, Nottingham, defended. Clarke, who i 6 a beer-off keeper at Tibshelf, said that on February 19th accused went ..to. his shop, and asked permission to leave his kit-bag. ...
SAILED THE SEVEN SEAS.
He said he was searching for some friends who lived in Sutton-in-Ashfield, and he could not carry the bag any further. Acused, who wore a sailors peak cap, called the next morning when he related to Clarke his alleged sea-faring exploits. He said he had sailed the Seven Seas ... and had been shipwrcked four times ; and he also said he had to re-join his ship at Liverpool. From the kit-bag, the accused produced what he described as real bearskin rug from Arcadia, Russia, a real Persian carpet rug, and an Indian silk bedspread.
SAID GOODS .. SMUGGLED.
He said the Persian was worth £30, but he was able to sell the articles cheaply because he had got them into the country free of duty. He further told Clarke that his Sutton-in- Ashfield friends had gone away on holiday for a month and he would have to sell the articles or take them to the porn shop, as he had to get to his ship to night. Prisoner asked for £7 for the lot, Clarke went on to tell the magistrates that on the day when Bacon first called at his shop, a Mansfield man, when delivering goods, spotted the kit-bag and told Clarke that he had seen that bag before on his own mother's premises.
AN INVISIBLE WITNESS.
Consequently he suspected Bacon, and told Clarke, and when the prisoner was about to leave the house the officer left his hiding-place and arrested him. In reply to the charge of attempted false pretences, he said I am saying nothing. Joseph H. Slack, the buyer for Messrs. John Turner, Ltd., Chesterfield, valued Bacon's goods goods £4 wholesale. The alleged bearskin was a goatskin; the Persian rug was made in Belgium, and probably the Indian bedspread was. Italian. Mr. R. A. Young addressed the Bench at some length, and said that a man was entitled to boost his goods, while floral verbal embellishments did not amount to false pretences. It was no offence for a man to get £7 for goods worth £4,. or make the best of one's wares. The Bench must be satisfied that the prisoner knew the value of the goods, deliberately misrepresented them, and made a fabulous profit. Supt. Campbell proved four previous convictions, including a fine of £10. for lino fraud at the Chesterfield county magisterial court in 1928, and he said that Mr. Clarke had shown public spirit in reporting the affair to the police
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Thursday 15 February 1934
Nottingham Evening Post
Nottinghamshire
on the night of January 30th, five summonses against the driver, William Bacon, hawker, of no fixed address, were heard at Mansfield to-day They were: Using indecent language; failing to produce a certificate ...
Wednesday 09 May 1934
Nottingham Evening Post
Nottinghamshire
prosecuted William Bacon, hawker, of no fixed abode, for trespassing in pursuit of game. Mr. J. Fisher said that originally there were three defendants, but two summonses had not been served At seven o'clock on the night of the 3rd inst
Tuesday 11 October 1932
Nottingham Journal
Nottinghamshire
When dismantling one of the amusement devices on the Goose Fair site at the Forest Recreation Ground, Nottingham, yesterday, William Bacon, a workman travelling with the show, was struck on the neck by a falling grate. He was taken to the General Hospital
Friday 06 February 1931
Nottingham Journal
Nottingham
A case was heard at Mansfield Police Court yesterday in which William Bacon, living in a van on the fairground, Sutton-ln-Ashfleld, was fined £1. 1s. and ordered to pay 17s. Costs for driving a bus
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Wednesday 30 May 1928
Nottingham Evening Post
Nottinghamshire
Nottingham hawker named Charles Bacon bringing a load of scrap iron from Willoughby, and when passing the Major estate at widmerpool he saw a number of pheasants run across the road
Wednesday 30 May 1928
Nottingham Evening Post
Nottinghamshire
LOCAL HAPPENINGS
... that he was rendered unconscious. He was removed to hospital. I am properly drunk. Take me home and put me to bed, said Charles Bacon, 58, a general dealer, of Cremorne-street. Nottingham, when Sergt. Burley found him drunk in charge of a pony and barrow
Saturday 23 June 1928
Derbyshire Times and Chesterfield Herald
Derbyshire
OLD TRICK
James Bacon, a travelling hawker, at present living in caravan at Sutton-in-Ashfield, was summoned for obtaining 30s by false pretences from Marie Kerry, married, Avondale Terrace, Shirebrook. Defendant was represented by Mr. B. Mather, who pleaded not guilty
Thursday 08 April 1926
Derby Daily Telegraph
Derbyshire
QUARTER SESSIONS
... AFFAIR AT ALFRETON. John James Bacon (42), hawker, was in the dock for maliciously wounding Wilfred Finney at Alfreton on 14th March, the men being van dwellers. Finney, with three others, went to Beighton's Yard, Alfreton, and Bacon was asked about a threat he had made
Friday 08 July 1921
Mansfield Reporter
Nottinghamshire
Ambrose Bacon, Sutton in- Ashfield, admitted being drunk and disorderly at Sutton, and was fined
Friday 16 December 1921
Sheffield Daily Telegraph
Yorkshire
Two hawkers, Edward Elliott and Ambrose Bacon, living in a van in Lindley's Yard. Marsh Gate, were charged at the Doncaster Borough Court, yesterday, with attempting ...
Tuesday 02 March 1920
Nottingham Evening Post
Nottinghamshire
A BASFORD APPOINTMENT
... Magistrates at the Nottingham Summons Court today, when Charlotte Bacon, 66, Cremorne-street, applied for maintenance order on the grounds of desertion against her husband, Charles Bacon, 51, of Hawthorne-street, Meadows. Mr. R. A. Young, for the applicant said she was married to a man named Black, and he died in 1889. Shortly after she married a man named Storer, and he left her.
Tuesday 02 March 1920
Nottingham Evening Post
Nottinghamshire
A BASFORD APPOINTMENT
... Defense. Mr. H. B. Clayton said Bacon was a demobilized soldier who had been wounded and gassed and could not follow his employment as a miner. Was only able to earn about a pound a week as a scrap iron dealer. The cause of the trouble was Mrs. Bacon's betting
Wednesday 03 March 1920
Nottingham Journal
Nottinghamshire
HER THREE HUSBANDS
Unusual matrimonial tangle Charlotte Bacon, Meadows, Nottingham, charged her husband, Charles Bacon, Hawthorne street, Nottingham, with desertion Mr. R. A. Young
she was married to a man named Black, who died she then married a man named Storer
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Wednesday 02 June 1920
Nottingham Evening Post
Nottinghamshire
THE HOUSE ON THE HILL. ARNOLD MAN LOSES GUN AND GAME. Arnold men, Arthur Straw, and Charles Bacon, pleaded guilty to a charge of “Netting”at the Shire Hall to-day an offence under the poaching Prevention Act
http://www.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/rollofhonour/people/Details/24845
then you will see where you can click on this link CWGS. Web Site. It is the commonwealth War Graves Site.http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/4028111/
you will then see where it says.
CWGC ARCHIVE ONLINE (4)
Grave Registration (2)
Headstone (2)
if you click on Headstone (2). you will be able to read what is wrote at the bottom of the grave and who wrote it, this below is what is wrote on that record
"Not forgotten by his loving Brother John and Family"
then it also mentions Johns address. (Mr. J. Bacon Caravan, Burn St., off Garden Lane Sutton.in.Ashfield
and if you click on the grave registration form it says about care of Mrs Heapes and Mr G. Bacon Worksop
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Saturday 15 July 1916
Nottingham Evening Post
Nottinghamshire
DISCRACFULL SCENES AT HUCKNALL.
HAWKERS FINED.
At the Nottingham Shire Hall today a description was given of a disgraceful scene which was enacted on the Annesley–road at Hucknall, late on Thursday night.
Three men living in caravans. Richard Boyling aged 29, Walter Boyling, 56 and William Bacon 44, Hawkers, of no fixed abode. The defendants had been to the Mansfield Fair they were stated by the Police to have been “mad drunk” when arrested the younger Boyling and Bacon struggled kicked and resisted the officers. Stones and bottles were also thrown, the officers showed signs of having been knocked about. The Boylings were fined 15s. Each, or seven days, for being drunk and disorderly, Bacon one pound 1s, and each of the three was fined two pounds 2s, or 21 days for the assault on the Police, the Chaiman (Mr. G. Fellows), said the Police must be protected from ruffians.
Nottingham evening post
Wednesday 14 June 1916
Nottinghamshire
WORK-SHY & UNREGISTERED.
GRAVE CHARGES AGAINST NOTTINGHAM YOUTHS.
Two described as van-dwellers, were remanded at the Nottingham Shire Hall this morning upon charges of having obtained money by false pretences from a local engineering firm.In the case of the first defendant, William Smith, the Deputy Chief constable said he was unattested and unregistered. The other defendant was a youth named Ambrose Bacon, who said he was only 17, but Mr. Harrop remarked that he had been unable find his birth certificate.
He was, however, quite willing to " join the army. "
Saturday 17 June 1916
Nottingham Evening Post
Nottinghamshire
LOCAL ENGINEERING FIRM VICTIMISED. NOTTINGHAM YOUTHS' DODGE TO OBTAIN MONEY. The two youths, Wm. Smith and Ambrose Bacon, charged with obtaining money by false pretences from a local engineering firm, were again before the magistrates at the Nottingham ...
Friday 13 November 1914
Mansfield Reporter
Nottinghamshire
A SUCCESSFUL ALIBI.—An alibi was set up as the defence in a case in which Ambrose Bacon. aged 15. who lives in a van with his father at Sutton, was summoned for stealing a purse, containing 275. 10d
Saturday 29 April 1911
Nottingham Evening Post
Nottinghamshire
STOLEN BRASS
NOTTINGHAM MEN SENTENCED FOR RECEIVING. Two Nottingham men, William Fletcher, Luke-yard. Island-street, and Charles Henry Bacon, of Hawthorn-street, were charged before the county Bench the Shire Hall, Nottingham, to-day, with stealing 1201b of brass
Re: Bacon - Selston & Worksop
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Well I'm still on the trail of a Charlotte Emily born around the late 1850s-early 1860s in Barrow on Soar, Leics. (See earlier posts in this thread.)
The 1911 census shows her still living with this Charles Bacon as his wife, this time as a Van Dweller on Waste Ground at Hawthorn Street, Nottingham. It states they've been married for 17 years, which would make it around 1894. There are a couple of marriages for a Charles Bacon in '93 and '94 but I can't check the spouse, and if this is the same woman then I think her husband was still alive anyway! If I've found the right person then he appears to be in both the 1901 and 1911 censuses, lodging in his home county of Warwickshire and stating that he's married.
The mystery continues and any help would be appreciated.
Judith
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Thursday 13 January 1910
Nottingham Evening Post
Nottinghamshire
A serious case of cruelty to a pony came before the magistrates at the Bingham Petty Sessions this morning. Matthew Curzon and Charles Bacon, both general dealers, of King's Meadow-road, Nottingham, were charged with ill-treating a pony at Cropwell Butler December last
Thursday 28 July 1910
Nottingham Evening Post
Nottinghamshire
The second, John James Bacon, hawker, of 21, Lucknow street, Southwell-road, Nottingham, was brought before the magistrates at the Petty Sessions, Bingham, this morning. He had given the name of John Upham, hawker, Mansfield, but was traced
Nottingham 1909
After numerous written notices and two and one quarter hours of argument, a body of Gipsies were removed from land in Hawthorne street, Nottingham. Belonging, Mr. H. Brown and Messrs. Brothers. For two or three years this land has been the free habitat of the Bohemians, the landowners, in co-operation with the city sanitary inspector, determined to them, notice of eviction Mr. Brown's agent, together with two gentlemen from Red Lion-street, two other men' on behalf of Chorley Brothers, and a couple of policemen, at nine o'clock this morning. Perhaps the order had not been taken seriously, for the encampment had yet made the slightest preparation, and the only horse fetched from the fields was promptly sent away when the police were spotted. There were three caravans, in which some 15 people lived, Billy Bacon, pleaded that his only available horse was lame, and refused to quit. Thereupon the two gentlemen from
Red Lionstreet, capable looking, stepped to the front
“The first man who touches my van I'll lay out" intimated Billy, the powerful looking fellow standing over six feet high. The gentlemen from Red Lion-street consulted, and decided that they could not interfere under the circumstances. Meanwhile, one of the owners of the other vans said he was quite willing
"to have a flutter'’ and stand the consequences.
Someone was despatched to negotiate
Saturday 24 April 1909
Nottingham Evening Post
Nottinghamshire
FORTUNE TELLING. UNUSUAL CHARGE IN NOTTM.
WOMAN OF 60 in CUSTODY.
charge of obtaining £6 “by pretending and professing to tell fortunes” was preferred at the Nottingham Police-court to-day againet. a woman aged 60, named Emily Bacon, hawker, no fixed abode
Saturday 24 April 1909
Nottingham Evening Post
Nottinghamshire
FORTUNE TELLING
A charge of pretending and professing to tell fortunes, was preferred at the Nottingham Police-court to-day againet a woman aged 60, named Emily Bacon, hawker, no fixed abode. P.C. Manners stated that yesterday morning he was summoned to Meadow-lane, and there saw a Mrs. Willbond ...Mr. r. a. young, defended …………….hermitage police station
Saturday 01 May 1909
Nottingham Evening Post
Nottinghamshire
“WORKING THE PLANETS”
... IN NOTTINGHAM. WOMAN OF 60 SENT TO GAOL.
Some extraordinary relational were made the Nottingham Police-court to-day, when Emily Bacon, 60, described as a hawker, of no fixed residence, was brought up a remanded charge of obtaining £6 from Elisabeth Willbond
Thursday 30 December 1909
Nottingham Evening Post
Nottinghamshire
CASE WAS ADJOURNED. Before Mr. H. Smith and Mr. G. Brown, at the Bingham Petty Sessions to-day, Matthew Curzon, junior, and Charles Bacon, dealers, Nottingham, were summoned for ill-treating a pony by beating it at Cropwell Butler on December 15th.
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Friday 17 July 1908
Nottingham Evening Post
Nottinghamshire
COALVILLE PETTT SESSIONS
Charles Bacon, hawker, drunk and disorderly for a similar offence at Thringstone, on the evidence of P.C. Jesson was fined. 5s.6d. and 12s. Costs
Wednesday 13 February 1907
Nottingham Evening Post
Nottinghamshire
THIS DAY’S POLICE NEWS
(Before the Mayor at Mansfield —Wm. Bacon, Arthur Smith and issac Smith the occupiers of living-vans. Situated in Spencer-street, off Stockwell gate, were summoned
Wednesday 15 May 1907
Nottingham Evening Post
Nottinghamshire
THE SUICIDE EPIDEMIC IN NOTTINGHAM
people who added their names to the list were brought up before Mr. F. Acton and Mr. A, Cleaver, at the Guildhall to-day. Mary Bacon alias Monaghan, hawker, Matt Mill-lane, was charged with drunkenness and attempting to commit suicide by jumping into the canal
Wednesday 23 May 1906
Nottingham Evening Post
Nottinghamshire
THIS DAY'S DISTRICT POLICE
Charles Bacon, King's Meadow-road, Nottingham, was charged with cruelty to a mare on the 14th May at Kelham. Defendant…… (kings meadow road is next to hawthorne street)
Tuesday 28 November 1905
Derby Daily Telegraph
Derbyshire
A rowdy gang of hawkers living in vans Everett woodward George smith ambrose bacon
Monday 23 October 1905
Nottingham Journal
Nottinghamshire
charged with encamping on the highway at Ingoldsby. He did not appear, and a fine of £1 was imposed. Nottingham hawker named Charles Bacon bringing a load of scrap iron from Willoughby, and when passing Major estate at Widmerpool saw a number of pheasants run across
Friday 01 September 1905
Nottingham Journal
Nottinghamshire
GIPSIES FINED FOR TRESPASSING Four men named John Smith, Ambrose Bacon, Charles Bacon, and Georgs Garrett, living in a gipsy encampment on the Grounds in Nottingham, were charged at the Bingham Petty Sessions
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Wednesday 16 November 1904
Nottingham Evening Post
Nottinghamshire
THIS DAY'S POLICE NEWS
Before Colonel Rolleston, Mr. F. E. Seely, Mr. H. Heath, Mr. G. Radford, and Mr. G. Baldock. Killing Game. —Charles Bacon, collier, and William Bacon and Edward Elliott, hawkers, Nottingham, were summoned for a game trespass, at Barton, on November 19th
Friday 19 June 1903
Derbyshire Advertiser and Journal
Derbyshire
Charles Bacon, for trespsasing in search of game at and Horsley Woodhouse, on May 9
Tuesday 03 November 1903
Derbyshire Courier
Derbyshire
William Bacon, hawker, of Selston. was fined on Monday for breaches to the dog regulations by having two dogs without a licence
Saturday 07 November 1903
Derbyshire Times and Chesterfield Herald
Derbyshire
Wm. Bacon, Selston, hawker, was fined with costs in each case at the Eckington Petty Sessions for having two dogs without a collar at Clowne
Monday 14 October 1901
Sheffield Daily Telegraph
South Yorkshire
FORTUNE-TELLING NEAR NOTTINGHAM
WOMAN'S EXTRAORDANARY GULLIBILITY. A remarkablo case of fortune-telling stated at the Nottingham Shire Hall when an old gipsy-woman, named Emily Bacon, was charged with pretending to tell fortunes and thereby obtaining £35 10s. In cash
Friday 18 October 1901
Lincolnshire Chronicle
Lincolnshire
A remarkable case of fortune-telling was investigated at the Nottingham Shire Hall on Saturday, when an old gipsy-woman, named Mary Emily Bacon, charged pretending to tell fortunes, and thereby obtaining £35 103. in cash and various articles of the value of
Friday 27 September 1901
Nottingham Journal
Nottinghamshire
A Nuisance in Stockwell-gate—Richard Elliott van-dweller, was summoned at the instance of Mr Thomas Skidmore. Sanitary Inspector
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1900
Nottingham
Charles Bacon, gipsy, ailing from Shirebrook. was summoned for aiding and abetting
Fred Wiltshire, Richard Elliott. and John Gregory, in trespassing in search of game, on land belonging to the Duke of Portland
nineteen firsts
Wednesday 30 August 1899
Nottingham Journal
Nottinghamshire
NOTTINGHAM GUILDHALL
Unwelcome Customers. — Charles Bacon and George Smith were summoned for being drunk and disorderly and refusing to quit Angel Inn. Burton-toad
Wednesday 27 December 1899
Derbyshire Times and Chesterfield Herald
Derbyshire
Richard Elliott. Charles Bacon, Samuel Smith appeared before the county magistrates at Chesterfield on Saturday charged with George Hy. and Wm. Richardson, at Shirebrook on December 19th It appeared there had row between the parties, Defendants denied the charge...case dismissed
Saturday 30 December 1899
Derbyshire Times and Chesterfield Herald
Derbyshire
THE WEEK'S POLICE
SHIREBROOK. Richard Elliott, Charles Bacon, and Samuel Smith appeared before the county magistrates at Chesterfield on Saturday charged with assault
Friday 06 April 1894
Derbyshire Advertiser and Journal
Derbyshire
Before the mayor-A fight at the fair—emily bacon hawker who appeared with her eyes badley bruised and discoulerd, was charged with being drunk and disorderly, there was a disturbance between a band of gipsies, defendant said she was made stupid by the blows she received, she said she did not consider herself drunk, fined 5s. And costs
17th May 1894
Nottingham Evening Post Nottinghamshire
NEAWARK BOROUGH POICE COURT.
THIS DAY BEFORE THE MAYOR
ILTREATING AN HORSE-Charles Bacon a gipsy, who did not appear, he was charged with illtreating an horse in Millgate, on May the 15 1893. He gave an address in Bingham which proved to be incorrect
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Wednesday 28 November 1894
Nottingham Evening Post
Nottinghamshire
The Fortunetelling Case.
Emily Bacon, wife of William Bacon, hawker, of no fixed abode, was charged on remand with larceny and fortune telling
Saturday 21 October 1893
Nottingham Journal
Nottinghamshire
SOUTH WELL PETTY SESSIONS
Theft of Rabbits and settingTraps.—Charles Henry Bacon and William Bacon, two youths of no settled habitation were charged with stealing on the 18t October two dead rabbit, and two live rabbits and setting traps
Friday 03 November 1893
Mansfield Reporter
Nottinghamshire
—at the Newark Police Court, Emily Bacon, a gipsy woman, living in a van at Farnsfield, the mother of the young men convicted of rabbit stealing last week, was charged with being drunk and disorderly at Farnsfleld, on the 16th
Saturday 26 November 1892
Derbyshire Courier
Derbyshire
Chesterfield County Police Courts. This Friday- Charles Bacon of Selston and Richard Elliott, two gipsies who have been camping round Hardwick during the last few days were charged by Mr. George Page, head Gamekeeper for the Hardwick Estate, and before Mr. Carrington with using dogs in the purpose of taking game on Wednesday.
A young woman of Ault. Hucknall. Named Woodbine, deposed to watching the men, they had three dogs and killed two hares.
The prisoners were remanded to the petty sessions
Tuesday 29 November 1892
Derbyshire Courier
Derbyshire
Gipsies Fined for Poaching.
Charles Bacon and Richard Elliott were charged on remand for using dogs for taking hares; at Ault Hucknall- John Wright a farmer said he saw two caravans, together with four men and women with two dogs. He saw the hare run into a field belonging to Holmwood Colliery. The two dogs followed and killed the hare, one of the men picked up the hare.-Mr Middleton, for the defence, pleaded guilty for the charge where Bacon was concerned, but said Elliott took no part what so ever in the matter- Their Worships fined each defendant 1 pound and costs or 14 days imprisonment.
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Bacon - Selston & Worksop
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Good morning. The 1901 census shows Charles Bacon aged 30, b Selston, Notts, a coal miner, living at Wilson's Fields Caravan with his wife Charlotte. Charlotte was aged 42 and was born in Barrow-on-Soar, Leics.
In 1891 Charles was living at "Caravan, Sand Hill", Worksop with his parents William and Emily and siblings including a sister named Parthenia.
I think Charlotte might belong to one of my husband's families, does anyone have any information about this couple or family.
Thanks
Thursday 15 March 1888
Nottingham Evening Post
Nottinghamshire
Emily Bacon was summoned for being drunk Fined
Wednesday 11 August 1886
Derby Mercury
Derbyshire
ALLEGED THEFT Of A HOrsE.-William. Bacon, of Selston, hawker, Was brought up charged with stealing an horse alleged to belong to Smith plant, of Ashborne
Wednesday 27 August 1884
Derby Mercury
Derbyshire
DERBY BOROUGH POLICE COURT
A woman of the gipsy type named Emily Bacon, who resides with several other people of the same species in hinchcliffe Yard, Burleigh-street ., was brought up charged with two assaults. There was a row on last night, prisoner and woodward her nefew and Minnie her daughter and joseph woodward who were living in vans. Prisoner and her relatives occupied some vans upon a vacant yard. They were constantly quarrelling and using bad language, and their conduct was quite intolerable
Friday 29 August 1884
Derbyshire Advertiser and Journal
Derbyshire
Assault.— Emily Bacon was charged with assaulting Joseph Woodward and Minni Bacon Burleigh-street
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Wednesday 14 February 1883
Derby Daily Telegraph
Derbyshire, England
Mr. S. Tarr, of Ironville, sued Henry Bacon, of Selston. for £14 rent of house and garden, Selston, dating from March 25, 1881, and also for possession of the premises
Friday 16 February 1883
Mansfield Reporter
Nottinghamshire
SELSTONE.--DISPUTED PosstioN. At the Alfreton County Court. on Tuesday. before Mr. W. F. Woodforde, judge, Mr. Tarr, of Ironville, sued Mr. H. Bacon, of Selstone. for £l4, rent of a house and garden at Seletone
Saturday 17 February 1883
Derbyshire Courier
Derbyshire
ALFRETON COUNTY COURT. TUESDAY. Possession at Selston. —Mr. S. Tarr. Of Ironville, sued Henry Bacon, of Selston, for the rent of a house and garden, at Selston, dating from March 25,
Saturday 17 February 1883
Derbyshire Times and Chesterfield Herald
Derbyshire
Ironville, sued Henry Bacon, Selston, for £14, rent of a house and garden, dating from March also for the premises.—Defendant, said held possession under
Friday 14 April 1882
Nottingham Evening Post
Nottinghamshire
Highway Offence.—William Bacon, for allowing his horse to stray at Selston on the evening the 2nd inst., was fined 10s. 6d.
Friday 16 June 1882
Nottinghamshire Guardian
Nottinghamshire
Highway Offences. — Wm. Bacon, farmer, Selston, for allowing two horses to stray on the highway at Selston on the 27th ult., was fined 10s. 6d., the defendant having previously been fined for ...
Friday 04 August 1882
Nottinghamshire Guardian
Nottinghamshire
Emily Bacon, convicted last week of the charge of drunkenness, and was fined
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Friday 06 October 1882
Mansfield Reporter
Nottinghamshire
Wm. Bacon, labourer, was convicted on the evidence of P.c. Skirmer for being drunk on the highway at Selstone, on the 27th ult., and was fined 15s.—Emily Bacon, wife of the previous defendant, was charged with
Saturday 09 December 1882
Nottingham Evening Post
Nottinghamshire
Emily Bacon of selston., was summoned for wilfully breaking the window in a carriage on the Midland Railway
Re: Bacon - Selston & Worksop
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Hello Judith
1881 census RG11 3323 Folio 72 page 20
Charles Bacon with siblings inc Parthinia living with grandparent Harry Bacon widower 61 a farmer of 13 acres at Selston born Essex
William Bacon 40 labourer born London with wife Emily 38 born Selston.
1871 census RG10 3479 folio 54 page 27 Selston
Boffits Farm - Henry Bacon 51 farmer wife Hannah 61 granddaughter Hannah 2
1861 census RG9 2432 folio 11 page 18 Selston
Dog Kennels - Henry Bacon 41 farmer 20 acres. wife Hannah 50
William Bacon son 19 un farmers son
Marriage 1867 William Bacon March quarter 7b 263
on the same page Emily Elliot
Marriage William Bacon 1869 Dec Quarter 7b 251 Basford
on the same page Emily Frost . This I think is favourite
see 1861 census RG9 2503 folio 108 page 12
A bit late, just browsing, my mum came from Selston
oly from Yorkshire
Friday 26 April 1878
Mansfield Reporter
Nottinghamshire
MANSFIELD PETTY SESSIONS
HORES. STRAYING.—WiIIiam Sharman and Wm. Bacon, of Selston, were charged with allowing their horeses to stay on the highway, at Selstone
Tuesday 28 July 1874
Nottingham Journal
Nottinghamshire
Drunkenness. —Henry Bacon, farmer, Selstone, was charged with being drunk at the railway station. —P.c. Hand proved the case, and defendant was fined 10s.
Friday 15 September 1871
Nottinghamshire Guardian
Nottinghamshire
Emily Bacon was charged with un- lawfully assaulting and beating Ann Dover, at the Railway inn, Selstone, on the 4th inst
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Saturday 08 January 1870
Derbyshire Times and Chesterfield Herald
Derbyshire
The grand jury threw out the bills against Emily Bacon for obtaining money by false pretences, at Pentrich
Wednesday 01 December 1869
Derby Mercury
Derbyshire
Emily Bacon, wife of Henry Bacon, Ripley, was charged by Jane Cope, widow, of the same place, with fraudulently obtaining from her 11. 5s.-Prisoner
Saturday 04 December 1869
Nottingham Journal
Nottinghamshire
Emily Bacon, wife of William Bacon, late of Ripley, and now of Condor Park, was brought up in custody charged with having, the 10th ult.,
Saturday 04 December 1869
Nottingham Journal
Nottinghamshire
Prisoner had kept promising to pay her, and had never told her that she intended leaving the place.—Hannah, wife of Henry Bacon, farmer, Selstone, said the prisoner’s husband was her son. She had the gold watch
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Wednesday 08 December 1869
Derbyshire Times and Chesterfield Herald
Derbyshire
Police Intelligence
DERBY COUNTY POLICE. FRIDAY. (Before Dr. Heygate.) Defrauding a Ripley Beerhouse-keeper.— Emily, wife of William Bacon, labourer, late of Ripley, but now of Codnor Park, was charged with having, at Ripley, falsely pretended that her husband
Friday 27 March 1868
Nottinghamshire Guardian
Nottinghamshire
SELSTONE.— Charge of Horse Stealing.— At the Shire Hall, on Wednesday, John Rose was brought up on a charge of stealing a horse, the property of Mr. Henry Bacon, farmer, of Selstone, under the following circumstances
Friday 27 March 1868
Nottinghamshire Guardian
Nottinghamshire
Henry Bacon, farmer, of Selstone, under the following circumstances: -On Saturday last, the 21st, the prosecutor engaged the prisoner to take a gelding, his property, to the Nottingham market, where he was to meet him between eight and nine o'clock
Friday 10 April 1868
Nottinghamshire Guardian
Nottinghamshire
NOTTS. COUNTY SESSIONS
... charged with stealing a gelding the property of Henry Bacon, on the 21st March. - Mr. Bristowe held the brief for the prosecution. The prisoner was employed by Mr. Bacon, a farmer residing at Selstone, to take a gelding to Nottingham
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Thursday 29 November 1866
Ilkeston Pioneer
Derbyshire
COUNTY POLICE OFFICE
Feminine Row at Hasland.— Emily Nowby, alias Bacon, hawker, Selston, was charged by Elizabeth Woodward, of Castle Donington, hawker, with assaulting her Husband, on the 27th Nov. Prisoner admitted the charge, but said she did so under circumstances of great provocation from the complainant. The Bench having heard the evidence of the prosecution, and the filthy language said to be used by each side, dismissed the charge, considering one as bad as the other. —The parties are step-sister
Tuesday 29 December 1863
Nottingham Journal
Nottinghamshire
An agricultural labourer, aged 73, died from the effects of injury caused by a fall from a load of straw, on the premises of Mr. Bacon, a farmer of Selstone. The accident occurred on the 26th
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in this link below from the Rootschat archives the people are talking about the Bacons first coming from down the south, can anyone help in confirming that these researchers are not getting the Bacons on the records they find mixed up, I have found several Bacons with the same name in the same time scale and locations, will there be anyone who can confirm these records below relate to the People I am reserching , what I mean is did the Bacons first come from down the south, is there anyone who would help
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Bacon - Selston & Worksop
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Good morning. The 1901 census shows Charles Bacon aged 30, b Selston, Notts, a coal miner, living at Wilson's Fields Caravan with his wife Charlotte. Charlotte was aged 42 and was born in Barrow-on-Soar, Leics.
In 1891 Charles was living at "Caravan, Sand Hill", Worksop with his parents William and Emily and siblings including a sister named Parthenia.
I think Charlotte might belong to one of my husband's families, does anyone have any information about this couple or family.
Thanks
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« Reply #1 on: Friday 14 October 05 19:51 BST (UK) »
Hello Judith
1881 census RG11 3323 Folio 72 page 20
Charles Bacon with siblings inc Parthinia living with grandparent Harry Bacon widower 61 a farmer of 13 acres at Selston born Essex
William Bacon 40 labourer born London with wife Emily 38 born Selston.
1871 census RG10 3479 folio 54 page 27 Selston
Boffits Farm - Henry Bacon 51 farmer wife Hannah 61 granddaughter Hannah 2
1861 census RG9 2432 folio 11 page 18 Selston
Dog Kennels - Henry Bacon 41 farmer 20 acres. wife Hannah 50
William Bacon son 19 un farmers son
Marriage 1867 William Bacon March quarter 7b 26on the same page Emily Elliot
The 1911 census shows her still living with this Charles Bacon as his wife, this time as a Van Dweller on Waste Ground at Hawthorn Street, Nottingham. It states they've been married for 17 years, which would make it around 1894. There are a couple of marriages for a Charles Bacon in '93 and '94 but I can't check the spouse, and if this is the same woman then I think her husband was still alive anyway! If I've found the right person then he appears to be in both the 1901 and 1911 censuses, lodging in his home county of Warwickshire and stating that he's married.
The mystery continues and any help would be appreciated.
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then I found these small extracts from larger information dated from the 1920s , this maybe could be who the Lady above was looking for
Tuesday 02 March 1920
Nottingham Evening Post
A BASFORD APPOINTMENT
... Defense. Mr. H. B. Clayton said Bacon was a demobilized soldier who had been wounded and gassed and could not follow his employment as a miner. Was only able to earn about a pound a week as a scrap iron dealer. The cause of the trouble was Mrs. Bacon's betting
Wednesday 03 March 1920
Nottingham Journal
HER THREE HUSBANDS
Unusual matrimonial tangle Charlotte Bacon, Meadows, Nottingham, charged her husband, Charles Bacon, Hawthorne street, Nottingham, with desertion Mr. R. A. Young
she was married to a man named Black, who died she then married a man named Storer
Tuesday 02 March 1920
Nottingham Evening Post
A BASFORD APPOINTMENT
... Magistrates the Nottingham Summons Court today, when Charlotte Bacon, 66, Cremorne-street, applied for maintenance order on the grounds of desertion against her husband, Charles Bacon, 51, of Hawthorne-street, Meadows. Mr. R. A. Young, for the applicant said she was married to a man named Black, and he died in 1889. Shortly after she married a man named Storer, and he left her
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I have been relooking at the old maps and Cremorne street it is next to Hawthorne street, and Kings Meadow road, again and again the same solicitor's names keep coming up on records, just by tracing them much information about many Family's may be found
http://www.nottsheritagegateway.org.uk/places/villages/nottsparishes1835.pdf
http://www.nottsheritagegateway.org.uk/themes/poverty/poorlawunions1850.pdf
http://www.nottshistory.org.uk/resources/maps/ZoomifyExpress4-Win/nottingham1902.htm
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if you go on the Gipsy Dan Boswell pagers or the Wilsher ones by Sky or just reread my old posts you will find information about Worksop and Joe Whites land where lots of Gipsies stoped over the yeares along with the Bacons, in my storyes they are conected to the Boylings Elliotts Smiths Woodwards to mention a few, i think they have the Gipsy in them and deserve respect, what is their true history and story, well this awaits as they await, who will speak for the Bacons, i have tryed my own best, now i hope people will respond only with the truth
r.i.p to all the Bacons, and to the ones who fought and the ones to who died in the first worled war i say thank you for fighting for us all, we will remember and pass on your great deeds, well done we are alive now becourse of you and your comrades, rest in peace
i forgot to put this one on last night, i think Charlotte connects to
Friday 01 December 1944
Nottingham Journal
Nottinghamshire, England
inquest yesterday, when the City Coroner (Mr. W. S. Rothera) recorded that Mrs. Charlotte Emily Bacon (86). of 19. Cremorne-street, met with an accidental death. Mrs Bacon, who lived alone, was an active woman, and in good health for her age
Thursday 30 November 1944
Nottingham Journal
Nottinghamshire
Death Follows Fall Mrs. Charlotte Emily Bacon a widow, of 19 Cremorne strteet. Nottingham, has died in Nottingham General Hosoltal She fell at her home on 12 November ...
Thursday 30 November 1944
Nottingham Evening Post
Nottinghamshire
... Nottingham City Coroner (Mr. W. S. Rothera), at inquest to-day on Charlotte Emily Bacon, 86, widow, of 19, Cremorne-street. Mrs. Dorothy Campbell of 21. Cremorne-street, said she saw Mrs. Bacon every day. She had one or two falls but was a fairly active woman. On Sunday, November 12th, about 3 p.m., she heard her falling and found her lying in the kitchen near the gas stove. She said she had slipped on the lino. She was taken to hospital next day and died on November 28th.
remember most if not all of these records have more information contained within their text, go to the British Newspaper Archive web site and signe up, it will be a true game changer in your own research, thank you in advance for all who take an innterest
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Hi everyone
Mel aka whiteout7 https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=814597.0
found this record below
Private Kisby Draper West Yorkshire Regiment, service number 52039.
whiteout7 Kisby SMITH (bap 1773) and Darnaty SMITH (bap 1778)
Re: Kisby SMITH (bap 1773) and Darnaty SMITH (bap 1778)
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There was a Private Kisby Draper in WW1, West Yorkshire Regiment, service number 52039.
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/british-army-medal-index-cards-1914-1920/
#Gipsies Roll of Honour World War One
Private Kisby Draper is mentioned as the son of Mr. Kisby Draper in the papers, he was in hospital in Micham with wounds in December 1917.
So we will put him on the Gipsies Roll of Honour, well done Mel, I have been looking for more of his families, I came across names that may be related or connected in some way, some may be wrong and I may have made a few mistakes in my writings but this is what I found, remember to sign up to the British Newspaper Archives, all i put on is only a guide if they are relatives you will find more in the fuller articles than the extracs i do, and remember to go on the links that Mel put on, on there you will find many census reports and information about the Drapers
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Friday 19 December 1941
Buckinghamshire Examiner
Buckinghamshire
A Fine of Ten Pounds.
At Chesham Petty Sessions on Wednesday, S…….. Draper, a travelling hawker, was fined £lO for being unlawfully in possession of more than one rationing document Defendant pleaded guilty. Mr Bernard Maser, Chesham Food Executive Officer...
Tuesday 24 January 1939
Leighton Buzzard Observer and Linslade Gazette
Bedfordshire
MR. NELSON DRAPER A TRAVELLING CUTLER A well-known figure in a wide area around Leighton Buzzard, Mr. Nelson Draper, aged 78 years, of 52. Bassett Road, Leighton Buzzard, died on Friday after two month’s illness. The only travelling cutler in the town ...
Friday 04 August 1939
Biggleswade Chronicle
Bedfordshire
GIPSY SENT TO PRISON AGAIN Tale of a Stolen Cycle Spencer Draper, alias Smith of no fixed abode, was sentenced to four months hard labour Biggleswade on Friday, on charge of stealing a man's ...
Friday 15 July 1938
Sevenoaks Chronicle and Kentish Advertiser
Kent
DUNTON GREEN
THE LATE MR. K DRAPER. The funeral took place at the Parish Church on Wednesday, the Vicar (the Rev. J. Gilder) officiating, of Mr. Kisby Draper, Halton, Longford Hill, whose death occurred last Friday at the age 65. A general dealer by trade. Mr. Draper was very well-known in the district where had resided for about 40 years. He leaves a widow, two sons and five daughters. The mourners at the service were Mrs. Draper, Mr. and Mrs. K. Draper. Mr. and Mrs. E. Draper, Mr. and Mrs. Curling, Mr. and Mrs. Hocking, Mr. and Mrs. Thick. Miss J. Draper and Miss E. Draper. Mr. and Mrs. Thick. Miss J. Draper and Miss E. Draper. Mr. and Mrs. Draper, Mrs. Deighton. Mrs. Sanderson, Mrs. Fuller. Mr. and Mrs. Vickers. Mr. and Mrs. Ollham. Mr. and Mrs Ellis, Mr. and Mrs. Booker. Mr. and Mrs. Hunt. Mrs. A. Draper. Mr. and Mrs. Smith, Mr. and Mrs. Beaney, Mr. I. Smith. Mr. Hearth . Flowers were sent by: The Wife; Coe and Arch; Tibby and Clss; Ether and Jane; Ned and May; Dolly and Les; Bert and Lover. Bill and Carrie; Genty. Jimmy and Family; Staff at Seal Laundry: Neighbours of Milton Road; Mrs. Draper; Phil. Peter and Claude; Sam and Phil; Kenney and Edward; Mrs. Allen and Family; Mr. and Mrs. Beaney;
Neices and Nephews at Tunbridge Wells; ………………………….
Friday 18 June 1937
Biggleswade Chronicle
Bedfordshire
A VETERAN GIPSY. One notable person in the history of Arlesey was Elizabeth Draper, gipsy, w'ho died in 1799 under a hedge, at the age ot 108. Her favourite pet was a white donkey. It was said she hadn’t slept in a bed for 70 years. Her husband was a fiddler and ...
Friday 07 June 1935
Uxbridge & W. Drayton Gazette
London
Horton, between Mr. Henry Frankham, eldest son of Mr. and Mrs, Frankham, of Welly-road, and Miss Cinderella Beldam, third daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Beldam, of Horton-road, the Rector. the Rev. R. S. Davies, M.A., officiating. The bride wore a dress of ...
Friday 07 June 1935
Uxbridge & W. Drayton Gazette
London
—A pretty wedding took place on Saturday at St. Michael's, Horton, between Mr. Henry Frankham, eldest son of Mr. and Mrs, Frankham, of Welly-road, and Miss Cinderella Beldam road, the third daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Beldam, of Horton-road, the Rector. the Rev. R. S. Davies, M.A., officiating. The bride wore a dress of blue and silver, with a picture hat to match. Her bridesmaids, the Misses Hilda and Ivy Beldam (sister) and
Miss Rosa Tarrant, wore blue silk dresses and blue Marina hats. The bride's bouquet consisted of pinkcarnations
and lilies, while the bridesmaids had bouquets of pink geraniums. The bride was given away by her brother-inlaw, Mr. George Goddard, and Mr. John Thompson acted as best man. After the ceremony many friends were present at the bride's home, where a marquee in the garden accommodated the guests. Later in the day the bride and bridegroom left for a touring wedding holiday. The bride's costume consisted of a turquoise blue dress, with beige hat and shoes. Many beautiful presents were received
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Friday 11 May 1934
Diss Express
Norfolk
FUNERAL OF AGED GIPSY sinfy slender
... . Messrs. Edward Brown and Horace Barham (sons-in-law). Mrs. Mimmy Slender (daughter-in-law); Messrs. George Draper. Edward Draper. L. Draper. R. Barham, Mrs. W Wilson. Mrs. Gray. Mr. Gray. Mr. Edward Jarrell. Mr. J. Lamb. Mr. Palmer and Mr. and Mrs. ...
Friday 17 April 1931
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
GIPSY ASSAULTS TWO SERGEANTS. Arising out of the previous case, Israel Draper, farm labourer, of no fixed abode, was charged with assaulting P.S. Gubbins in the execution ...
Friday 17 April 1931
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
WHITCHURCH. Caravaners Summoned.— At Linslade Police Court on Monday Kisby Draper and Ievi Parker, caravan dwellers, pleaded not guilty to stealing wood faggots value Is. 6d., the property of Frederick Atkins, of Whitchurch. They were also summbned for camping on the highway and for lighting a fire near the highway.—Mr. Atkins said defendants denied
touching his wood, and said they were using Mr. Alderman’s wood, by permission. —John Henry Alderman, smallholder, of Whitchurch, said about twelve months ago he gave Draper permission to use wood from a field which lay in a different direction from Mr Atkins’s. —P.C. Garrett said Mr. Atkins’s faggots lay in a field opposite the defendants’ camp.—The Magistrates dismissed the summonses for stealing the faggots and lighting a fire, but fined defendants 4s. each for camping on the highway
Friday 17 January 1930
Buckinghamshire Examiner
Buckinghamshire
Denham alleged shooting affray was reserved for the afteroon of the first day's sitting. Jack Draper, 21, hawker, Israel Draper, 44, grinder, and Spencer Draper, 20, pedlar, were charged with, on November 15th, 1929, at Denham, unlawfully and maliciously wounding John
Friday 22 November 1929
Buckinghamshire Examiner
Buckinghamshire
GIPSIES IN CUSTODY.
To-day (Friday), at a Special Court at Beaconsfield, three gipsies are to appear on a charge of wilfully and maliciously wounding, by shooting, William John Morrow, gamekeeper, at Denham, on November 15th. They are : Israel Draper ...
Friday 01 June 1923
Kent & Sussex Courier
Kent
BAD LANGUAGE AT DUNTON GREEN.
A summons against Kisby Draper, of 6. Milton-road. Dunton Green, for using obscene language, on May 7th, at Dunton Green, was proved, and he was fined
Friday 07 July 1922
Kent & Sussex Courier
Kent
Kisby Draper, 6, Milton-road. Dunton Green, was summoned for failing to send his two children regularly to school ...
Saturday 17 May 1919
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
Theft Charge Dismissed. Sarah Cotchin pleaded not guilty to stealing a quantity of barley, value 8s., the property of James Spiers, farmer, on May 3
Saturday 16 August 1919
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
BUCKINGHAM
... admitted that Draper was scouting for him to see where the police were. —Defendant was fined £2. William Draper and Ernest Cotchings, both of Leighton Buzzard, were then charged with assaulting the last witness, Supt. Evelyn Dibben, of Newport Pagnell, while ...
Friday 24 October 1919
Buckinghamshire Examiner
Buckinghamshire
Prisoner Cotching corroborated as to Draper not butting the superintendent. and all he did himself was to step forward and undo Draper's scarf. as he thought he would he choked by the way the superintendent twisted it
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Saturday 06 July 1918
Reading Mercury
Berkshire
GYPSY DRAPER To the Editor of the Reading Mercury and Berks County Paper. Sir, —In compiling a volume on the worthies of this town I should like to include a short account of Gypsy Draper, a well known figure here in the fifties and sixties the last century ...
Friday 14 December 1917
Kent & Sussex Courier
Kent
WOUNDED. Private Kisby Draper. West Yorks Regiment, is wounded and lying in Hospital at Mitcham. Surrey. Pte. Draper ...
DUNTON GREEN. Information has been received Mr. Draper. No. 6. Milton Cottages, Longford, Dunton Green, that their son. Pte. K. Draper. West Yorkshire Regiment, was wounded in action on November 21st. Pte. Draper, who is 19 years of age, joined up in February of this year, and went to France six weeks ago. He is now lying in Mitcham Hospital. Prior to enlisting he was employed by Mr. Draper. Dunton Green, cutting timber Westerham for Government work. Photo appears on page 3.
Friday 14 December 1917
Kent & Sussex Courier
Kent
Page 3. photo
Webber, L.-Corpl. Turner, Pte. K. Draper, Lieut. Harman, Lee.-Corpl. Wallis, Sig. Pattenden, Lce. Cpl. A. Baldoek……..
Saturday 25 January 1913
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
Poaching. William Birch, Ernest Cotching, and Thomas Underwood, labourers, all of Leighton Buzzard, were prosecuted under the Poaching Prevention Act.—P.C Stonebridge ...
Friday 28 March 1913
Northampton Mercury
Northamptonshire
ROUND the MERCURY’ COUNTRY
... Norinan, “ born at Castle Ashby, 1830, died in the hands of the Chinese 1860,” of Alexander Sanders, husband Ann Draper, Queen the Gipsies; and some beautiful ironwork round a tomb, said to that of the wife of the blacksmith whom the iron was wrought, ...
Petty Sessions, Tuesday, July 29
Saturday 02 August 1913
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
Assaulting the Police. William Cotching, dealer, ot Leighton Buzzard, was summoned for assaulting P.C. Dorrington while in the execution his duty at that place July 22nd, Thomas Cotching, labourer, was summoned for obstrucing P-C. Dorrington; ...
Saturday 08 June 1912
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
William Cotchings (28), dealer, of Leighton Buzzard, was summoned for assaulting Frederick Tooke, and also for being drunk and disorderly
Thursday 27 June 1912
South Bucks Standard
Buckinghamshire
FAILED TO APPEAR AT BUCKS SESSIONS. At the Marlow Police Court on Wednesday, Walter Wells, alias Draper, gipsy dealer, was charged with failing to appear at the Bucks Quarter Sessions on the 16th October last. Defendant was committed ...
Friday 05 July 1912
Buckinghamshire Examiner
Buckinghamshire
Bucks Quarter Sessions
The condition of the Theft of a Van. colt indicated that for some months past it required Walter Wells, alias Draper (43), hawker, charged with being the bailee of a certain four Prisoner informed the jury that it ...
Thursday 04 July 1912
South Bucks Standard
Buckinghamshire
TRIAL OF PRISONER. SALE OF A VAN. Walter Wells, alias Draper, hawker, was charged with stealing a four-wheeled van, the property George and Agues Lee, of Histone, May 25th, 1911.—Prisoner ...
Saturday 08 June 1912
Bucks Advertiser & Aylesbury News
Buckinghamshire
Hezekiah Draper, tinker. of Leighton Buzzard, was summoned for using obscene language at Linslade on May 18th. - Defendant did not appear
Saturday 25 February 1911
Barking, East Ham & Ilford Advertiser, Upton Park and Dagenham Gazette
London
Ambrose Draper, gipsy - Eastwood, summoned for Using indecent language
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Friday 29 July 1910
Bicester Herald
Oxfordshire
SUDDEN DEATH OF A GIPSY. An inquest was held at Islip on Friday evening before the coroner, Mr. A. H. Franklin, to enquire into the circurnmstance attesting to the death of Spencer Draper, aged 35, a travelling espy, who died suddenly early the same morning. The following composed the jury : —Rev. J. H. Carter (foreman), Messrs. William edcraft, Victor Kimmel Cloning, Edward Steele, Edwin Payne, William Webb, Thomas Perrin, Henry lienard, Ernest liecklez, Whited Allen, Anthony Charlotte, and William Bull. It appeared from the evidence that the deceased, in company with Elizabeth Smith (who lived with him), Abraham Draper his brother) and his wife, his mother, and five children, had been tramping the country, pea picking. for the last eight years, he had a house at Dunstable. On Thursday they came from Aynlio, near Banbury, with a weel trolley, which they had hired from Dustable, and camped in two tents at Charlton, in the evening ; the desessed Elizabeth Smith, had use of a tent and the rest of the party the other. At about One o'clock Smith ……
He was taken to the police conostable's house at Islip at about six o'clock. An examination was made, and death was found to be due to heart failure A verdict in accordance with the medical was returned. With the exception of the doctor, Elizabeth Smith Was the only witness
Saturday 10 September 1910
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
The BUCKS HERALD, SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 10,
.—Wm. Cotchin, hawker, of Leighton Buzzard, pleaded guilty to driving horse and vehicle in Wing-road. Linslade, after sunset, without showing ...
Friday 02 July 1909
South Bucks Standard
Buckinghamshire
—Walter George Draper, of Amereham Common, was summoned for keeping a dog without a license.—He pleaded not guilty, and P.C. Walters stated that ....
Saturday 04 December 1909
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
Game Trespass. George Smith and Ernest Draper (or Cotching). labourers, were summoned for trespassing on land in the occupation of Mr. Gains Batchelar in search of conies, at Eggington
Friday 07 February 1908
Leicester Daily Post
Leicestershire
…… she found some cut Moses under a chair of the room where the men bad been. Sarah Jane Scotching, wife of alias Draper, a labourer, of Hemel Road. London, stated that
Saturday 10 February 1900
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LEIGHTON BUZZARD
Thomas Cotchin, labourer, of Leighton Buzzard, pleaded guilty to a charge) of having carried a gun without a licence, at Eggington, on the 7th ...
Saturday 02 March 1907
Windsor and Eton Express
Berkshire
DEATH OF A CRIMEAN VETERAN.-The death took place at an early hour on Monday morning, at Clewer Fields, of John Draper, a fruit hawker, Deceased was at one time In the 49th Regiment, and after being in the Army for some ...
Friday 23 March 1906
Bicester Herald
Oxfordshire
STRAYING HORSE.— Alfred Draper, travelling hawker, was charged with allowing his horse to stray at Westbury. On the 19th February, 1905. —Defendant pleaded guilty, and ...
Friday 25 May 1906
Luton Times and Advertiser
Bedfordshire
THE GIPSIES AT CADDINGTON.
Martha Draper, hawker, pleaded guilty to Using obscene language at Caddington, on May 7th. P.s. James deposed that on the evening of May 7th
Saturday 03 November 1906
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
Charge of Stealing Fowls. William Cotching. jun., of London, formerly employed on the Golf Links at Leighton Buzzard, was charged with stealing twenty live fowls
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Saturday 02 December 1905
Tamworth Herald
Staffordshire
Thursday : Abraham Sheriff and Joseph Draper, gipsies, were fined 40s.and 20s. respectively, for encamping on the highway at Bangley; Thomas Holland, gipsy, | was fined 20s. for stealing potatoes belonging to James Taylor ...
Saturday 23 January 1904
Hampshire Chronicle
Hampshire
Edith Bower, gipsy, was charged with being drunk and disorderly Selborne. on January 18th, and Elizabeth Draper (her sister) was charged with obstructing Police-constable Green when in the ...
Saturday 05 March 1904
Essex Newsman
Essex
COMMOTION AMONG GIPSIES AT BRENTWOOD
... Cinderella Elliot, Draper, and Eliza Draper, were summoned for being disorderly and refusing to quit the George and Dragon Inn.—They are guilty. Mr. F. Mullis, solicitor, prosecuted.— Mr. R. A. Bond, landlord of the inn, gave evideuce. —Draper said he was only a little ...
Friday 04 March 1904
Chelmsford Chronicle
Essex
.. Elliot, Draper, and Eliza Draper, gipsies, were summoned for being disorderly and refusing to quit the George and Dragon Inn. —They pleaded guilty.—Mr. F. Mullis, solicitor, prosecuted.— Mr. K. A. Bond, landlord of the inn, gave evidence.—Draper said he was ...
Saturday 26 November 1904
Barking, East Ham & Ilford Advertiser, Upton Park and Dagenham Gazette
London
Plenty of Pocket Money.— William Adams, horse dealer, Norfolk, and Britannia Adams, alias Draper, Epping, who live together in a van, were charged with stealing 21lb. of salt pork, value Is. 6d.. James Wright, pork butcher ...
Saturday 31 January 1903
Berkshire Chronicle
Berkshire
CRONICLE, SATURDAY JANUARY 31, 1903. SHINFIED. - In regard to the death of the centararian gipsy Draper, who died at Shinfield January last, we are informed that he figures in the Market place (where he was at the time well known...
Saturday 11 January 1902
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LEIGHTON BUZZARD
... other men, James Linney and Ernest Cotchin (brother of the defendant now appearing), concealed under a hedge, having two dogs with them. While they were searching them William Cotchin came through a gap. Ernest Cotchin was very abusive, and threatened them ...
Tuesday 28 January 1902
Sheffield Evening Telegraph
Yorkshire
At Reading the death was announced of Frederick Draper, aged 105. The deceased was a gipsy, and resided with his son, now eighty-six years age, in a cottage near Whitley Woods
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Saturday 01 February 1902
Reading Mercury
Berkshire
Whitley Wood, near Reading, where for the last quauter of a century he had lived with his son, Frederick Draper, who claimed to be the oldest Gypsy in the world. Although through an entry in the parish registars, it appears to be beyond question that deceased was born ...
Saturday 01 February 1902
Whitstable Times and Herne Bay Herald
Kent
At an advanced age of 105, of Frederick Draper.. Deceased was a gipsy, and for a long time resided with his son, now eighty-six years of age, in a cottage near Whitley Woods. His wife predeceased him fifty years ago. Draper, whose death was the result of a fall ...
Saturday 01 February 1902
Reading Mercury
Berkshire
To the EDITOR of the READING MERCURY. SIR, —Mention has recently been made of your collection for the old Gypsies Draper, living at Whitley Wood, in this parish. The father died at an age reputed 104, but certainly over 100. The son, himself 84, had no means of ...
Saturday 03 May 1902
Reading Mercury
Berkshire
To the EDITOR of the READING MERCURY.. Sir.—You were good enough to insert an appeal in January from myself in behalf of the gipsy Draper, Whitley Wood. As a result of this I received the sum af £8. 6s. 6d. from various friends. This has enabled me to meet the ...
Saturday 25 October 1902
Thanet Advertiser
Kent
THE BOY WHO KNEW NO FEAR
William Kisby applied to the Bench to make an order send his step-child, aged 10, away. Applicant stated that the boy was altogether beyond his control, and he would often sleep out for several nights in succession. On one occasion ...
Saturday 25 October 1902
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LEIGHTON BUZZARD
Obscene Language. — John Cox, William Toms, William Cotchin, of Leighton Buzzard, and Charles Croxfard, of Heath-and-Reach, all labourers, were each charged with using obscene language ...
Friday 30 May 1902
Stroud News and Gloucestershire Advertiser
Gloucestershire
WILFUL DAMAGE. William Draper, alias Stevens, late of Rodborough. was summoned for having, on May 7th, went out with the intent to steal a quantity of underwood
Friday 13 June 1902
South Bucks Standard
Buckinghamshire
WYCOMBE BOROUGH PETTY SESSIONS
Cutting Trees on Naphill Common.—Henry Beldam, a gipsy, was charged with having committed damage to trees on Naphill Common, belonging to Sir Robert Dashwood. Bart
Saturday 14 June 1902
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
HIGH WYCOMBE
Henry Beldam, gipsy, was charged with having damaged trees on Naphill Common, belonging to Sir Robert Dashwood, Bart., Lord of the Manor, May ...
Friday 22 February 1901
East Anglian Daily Times
Suffolk
Obadiah Draper, gipsy, pleaded not guilty to being disorderly and refusing to quit a licensed promisee at Blaxhall. Mr. J. Hewitt, landlord of Blaxhall ...
Friday 29 March 1901
Western Daily Press
Bristol
STROUD. Police . Yesterday Mary Draper, gipsy, of Wood, was summoned for neglecting her five young children in a manner likely to give them annecessary suffering and injury ...
Saturday 12 October 1901
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
Game Tresspass. William Cotchin, labourer, On the Sunday at Leighton Buzzard, was charged with trespassing in search of game
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Friday 26 April 1901
Berks and Oxon Advertiser
Berkshire
READING. A GIPSY AT SHINFIELD.—The Daily Mail of Monday last gave an account of a visit paid to the cottage of the aged gipsy named Draper. who is still living in a dilapidated cottage at Whitley Wood, Shinfield, and who is described as a Berkshire patriarch nearing his 104th birthday. The old man will, it appears, attain the remarkable age of 104 years if he lives till next June. With old Gipsy Draper lives a son who is now 83 years of age, and who looks after his father, and the latter still calls him his boy. The poor old man has nearly, if not entirely, lost the sight of both eyes ; and when the representative of the Daily Mail visited the cottage he writes:— The old man lay drowsing in a heap on a couch of sacking. He was fully dressed, and wearing an old cap on his heed, and a couple of old coats were thrown over him.The writer thus further describes the poor old man— His hair was greyer and thinner, his skin more waxen, his nose more hooked than his 83 yeare old son ; and his sightless eyes were like pits. On the arrival of the visitor the aged son got his father up from off the sacking couch and dropped him in a chair by the fire, where the old man answered several questions which were put to him about things and events when he was young. and when the country, he said, was much better off. The Daily Mail representative further remarks — The Drapers during the past
quarter of a century have settled down in a bit of a four-roomed, redbrick cottage at Shinfield, behind a scraggy hedge of elder bushes. Before that they lived in tents as gipsies.
Saturday 10 February 1900
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LEIGHTON BUZZARD
Thomas Cotchin, labourer, of Leighton Buzzard, pleaded guilty to a charge) of bavins; carried gun without a licence, at Eggington, the 7th ...
Monday 26 February 1900
Cambridge Daily News
Cambridgeshire
Gipsy Trouble. Elias Draper (30), gipsy, pleaded guilty to charge of damaging the roadway at the Broadway, Harlow, by driving stakes and poles thereon ...
Saturday 26 May 1900
Reading Mercury
Berkshire
BOROUGH MAGISTRATES' OFFICE, READING
Assault. Nathan Beldam, a gipsy, was summoned by his wife Beatrice for assaulting her on the 17th inst; and was bound over in £10 to keep the peace for ...
Saturday 09 September 1899
Gloucestershire Chronicle
Gloucestershire
NAILS WORTH
Mary Draper, alias Stephens, gipsy, and Rachael Dean, were summoned for being disosderly and refusing to quit the licensed of Tom Clark Beach, on Angust 30th, Dean was discharged, and Draper was fined
Saturday 14 October 1899
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LOOKER ON LEIGHTON BUZZARD
PETTY SESSIONS, Tuesday, October 10. A Poaching Gang. Alfred Sear, Ernest Cotchin, Tho. Underwood, and Alfred Giles, all of Leighton Buzzard, were charged with having unlawfully had game in their possession ...
Friday 04 March 1898
West London Observer
London, England
Horses stray on the scuby.—A man named Riley Beldam was charged on a warrant in default of appearing to answer a summonus with allowing nine horses to stray on Wormwood Scrubby ...
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Saturday 16 April 1898
Berkshire Chronicle
Berkshire
GIPSY IN TROUBLE. Edward Carey, gipsy, did not in response to a charge of having been drunk and disorderly at the Three- Mile-Coss on March 30th.—P.c. Brain was on ...
Saturday 30 July 1898
Gloucester Journal
Gloucestershire
NAILSWORTH
Mary Draper, alias Stephens, gipsy of Forest Green, was summoned at the instance of a relative named Prudence Stephens, of Hampton Fields, for ...
Saturday 25 January 1896
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LEIGHTON BUZZARD
Wilful Damage.— John Horn and Thomas Cotchin, labourers, of Leigbton Buzzard, were charged with having wilfully damaged the bank of a watercourse running through fields occupied by Mr. William Webster, market gardener and innkeeper, by digging ...
Saturday 18 April 1896
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LEIGHTON BUZZARD
... against whom several previous convictions were recorded, was sentenced to ten weeks' hard labour on the two charges, and Cotchin and Biggs to twenty-eight days' each
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Friday 18 December 1896
Bicester Herald
Oxfordshire
CHILD SUFFOCATED-A PICTURE IN TRAMPING LIFE.
An inquest was held at the Crown Inn on Saturday afternoon touching touching the death of Nelson Smith, the illegitimate child of Elisabeth Smith, the child having died suddenly that morning. Mr. J. Worley conducted the enquiry. —Elizabeth Smith, the mother of the child, said it was born against Princes Risborough, and was egistered at that photo. Witness was 21 years old, and had been a tramp for about 2 years. The child was born on April 13th last in a tent by the roadside, the child's father, Spencer Draper, and her brother being with her at the time. She found the child was ill on Thursday night, when near Dayton Parslow, and she took it to the doctor at Fenny Stretford on Friday at 1 o'clock. He said he could see nothing amiss with the with the child beyond its teeth and a cold. He gave her abottle of medicine, but she had only given the child two little lots. Her child kept crying, and she was afraid to give it too mach at a time. She left Fenny Stratford about four o'clock. About nine on towards Stony Stratford. She sat by the side .................
Saturday 19 December 1896
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
…………..shown to a doctor, who found nothing tho matter with except a cold, and its teeth. Some medicine was given to it, and the mother seems to have taken all possible care of her little one. It may even be said she killed it with ' kindness. In very simple language she told the coroner's jury how, leaving Fenny about 4 o'clock in the afternoon, they proceeded towards Stony Stratford, not going into any house, but passing , the night—in mid - December, she remembered, and with an eight months' old baby—by the side of the road. The man walked up and down, while she sat the road side with the child wrapped in a blanket and a shawl on her arms, but did not go to sleep. The child had nothing during the long night but what it obtained from its mother, and some of the medicine. Small wonder that on Saturday morning could not take the breast, and she did not feel him move, and on being taken to a doctor he pronounced the baby dead. It was clear that no blame attached to the wretched parents. The child was fairly well nourished; there were no marks of violence; and the only cause for its death which the medical man could ascribe was that it was probably suddenly suffocated by being pressed to its
mother's breast, and being in a drowsy state owing to the medicine it was unable to extricate itself. How true is that One half of the world knows not how the other half lives —or dies
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Saturday 16 November 1895
Wilts and Gloucestershire Standard
Gloucestershire
GIPSY
... with assailing Harry Draper, who lives, in Ashton Old-road. Draper was very ill, and prisoner, who was playing in front of the home. was asked go away
16 November 1895
Wilts and Gloucestershire Standard
Gloucestershire
SWINDON. Mary Ann Draper, a gipsy, hos been committed for tried for attempting to obtain 10s. from Mrs. lox, of the Red Cow inn, and 1s. from Emma Llewellyn, and other charges were dismissal. Her daughter Patience. Was likewise charged with...
Saturday 28 November 1896
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LEIGHTON BUZZARD
... woman, of Leighton Buzzard, who appeared with a blackened eye, applied, for a summons against Darnetta Cotchin, another young woman, in the same town, for assaulting her at Heath-and-Reach feast on the preceding evening. Applicant ...
Saturday 30 November 1895
Long Eaton Advertiser
Derbyshire
Radbourne.—Abraham Sherriff and Israel Draper, alias Cornelius Colbort, travelling gipsies, were charged with taking six rabbits from the land of Philip Hansom, at Radbourne ...
Saturday 27 April 1895
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
Smith.—At Amersham Common, Keziah Smith,
Saturday 02 November 1895
Swindon Advertiser and North Wilts Chronicle
Wiltshire
A CHARGE OF RINGING THE CHANGES,— Mary Ann Draper, a gipsy, was brought up in custody on three charges of obtaining or attempting to obtain money by means of the trick known as ...
Saturday 31 August 1895
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LEIGHTON BUZZARD
... Buzzard, was charged with threatening smash Elizabeth Kempster, another young woman, whom defendant said lived with her (Cotchin's) brother. The threat appeared to be the result of a quarrel in which horrible language was used, and disgusting recriminations ...
Tuesday 23 January 1894
Sussex Agricultural Express
Sussex
Horsham, on the previous day, and was sentenced to one day’s imprisonment.—P.C. Priest stated the case. George Draper and Clara Draper, gipsies, who did not put in an appearance, were charged with allowing cattle to stray at Slinfold on Jan, 151.— P.C. ...
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Tuesday 23 January 1894
Sussex Agricultural Express
Sussex
George Draper and Clara Draper, gipsies, who did not put in an appearance, were charged with allowing cattle to stray at Slinfold on Jan, 151.— P.C. ...
Saturday 27 October 1894
Reading Mercury
Berkshire
WORKINGHAM PETTY SESSIONS
John Carey, a gipsy, was charged his horse and donkey to stray on the highway on the 28th March last
Saturday 24 March 1894
Sussex Agricultural Express
Sussex
more drunks! William Draper, scissor grinder, was charged with being drunk and disorderly in Eversfield-place.—Prisoner pushed people off the pavement and generally ...
Saturday 15 December 1894
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LEIGHTON BUZZARD
— Dametta Cotchin, single woman, of Leighton Buzzard, bad been summoned upon a charge of using obscene language in the pnblic streets of that ...
Saturday 29 April 1893
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LEIGHTON BUZZARD
... Quarrelsome Women. Sarah Ann •Kempster, Kate Kempster, Doretta Cotchin, Jane Betts, and ElizabethBetts, young women belonging to the northern region of Leighton Buzzard, of ages varying from eighteen to twenty-two years, were charged with ...
Saturday 29 April 1893
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LEIGHTON BUZZARD
. Quarrelsome Women. Sarah Ann •Kempster, Kate Kempster, Doretta Cotchin, Jane Betts, and Elizabeth Betts, young women belonging to the northern region of Leighton Buzzard, . . of ages varying from eighteen to twenty-two years, were charged with having committed a breach of the peace, by fighting together, in Mill-road, on April 22nd. —Three of .. the defendants pleaded guilty; the other two had practically no defence to offer.—P.C.s Vincent and proved that twice during an hour, near upon midnight, they had to part and dispersethe defendants, one of whom (Cotchin) was stated to have pnt up her fists and fought like a man, while two others engaged in general meltfe, with a crowd around tbem, tbeir hats off, and their hair hanging.. down. —It was stated that the quarrel began about young mail.—Defendants were bound in JBS each to keep the peace for six months, and required to pay 10s. each costs
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Friday 29 September 1893
South Bucks Standard
Buckinghamshire
THE SOUTH BUCKS STANDARD -FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 29, 1893
... The deceased had had a good lot to drink, or else he would not have fallen. Witness never heard him speak after the fall.—Kisby Draper said that he was returning home from Amersham fair on Tuesday evening he found deceased lying on the road quite unconscious ...
Wednesday 30 November 1892
Suffolk and Essex Free Press
Suffolk
Joseph French, alias Draper, was charged with being drunk and disorderly at Halstead the 6th of November. He pleaded guilty, and said he was sorry he ...
Saturday 01 August 1891
Surrey Advertiser
Surrey
At Sunbury, on Monday. Fleury Carey and John Carey, gipsies., were summoned for assaulting Smith, another gipsy, on July 18th. —Mr. Lay, solicitor, defended. —Complainant's evidence went to show ...
Saturday 18 January 1890
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LEIGHTON BUZZARD
Thomas Kempster, of Heath-and-Reach, chimney sweep, was charged with threatening to kill Jane Pratt with a mason's trowel, and stab her, at Heath-and-Reach, on the 10th inst. —Complainant, who is housekeeper to defendant's father, proved the charges, and ...
Tuesday 04 February 1890
Leighton Buzzard Observer and Linslade Gazette
Bedfordshire, England
THE LEIGHTON BUZZARD OBSERVER, TUESDAY, FEB. 4, 1890
... and required him to pay 6d. costs. LATE SUNDAY NIGHT VISITORS AT PUBLIC- Chas. Collins, Samuel Reeve, and Kisby Cotchin (alias Draper), labourers, of Leighton Buzzard, and Charles Wiltshire, gamekeeper, of Liuslade, were charged with having been found ...
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Saturday 22 March 1890
Berkshire Chronicle
Berkshire
ALLEGED MANSLAUGHTER HENLEY. An inquest held before Mr Win. Weston, coroner, on the body of Thomas Beldam, on Wednesday, at the Heading Workhouse. Matilda Beldam said : the widow the deceased, who was a travelling pedlar, and fifty-three years of age he left for Henley fair on the 7th inst. with my two sons, Nathan and Thomas, and onr son-in-law, Leonard Ewes or Hughes.The decesed was brought to our van at about five o'clock the same evening ...
in a cab. He was unconscious, and remained so almost till Saturday last, when he was brought to Reading by the wish of the doctor who had attended him. gave no information to any quarrel. Before this the deceased was in good health, and I have not seen anything the matter with him to signify. i came with him to Reading Hospital. They advised my getting an order for the workhouse, which I did, I took him here at once. Ewes had been with him five or six days at Peppard. During that time they had not quarrelled. Ewes spends a good deal of his time at Lower Edmonton, near London. Arthur Strange said I am a bricklayer at Henleyon-Thames. The deceased was a stranger to me. coming down Greys lane, in the borough of Henley, on the 7tb inst., I noticed a crowd, and, on going to it. I saw the deceased being led by his son up Greys lane towards his son-in-law. When the deceased and his son-in-law met, the latter said. Now come along, you, and struck him full in the face and the deceased fell on the back of his head. The son-in-law's wife said. “You have killed my poor father.” and sent for a policeman. When the policeman was coming up Greys-lane the son-in-law got on his horse and rode off. The son, when he first got to the crowd, was leading his father towards the yard in Greys-lane. and when he got to the son-in-law he said. “Don’t hit father any more,” or words to that effect. The deceased did not provoke the son-in-law in the slightest, in either word or action. I waited with the deceased till he was driven off in fly. In tbe doctor had seen him.The deceased and his son-in-law, I thought, were both the worse forthe drink. I only saw one blow struck, the fatal one. The son threatened to strike his brother-inlaw after the father was knocked down, but did not do so the ijury I did not notice any injury to the deceased head. Thomas Beldam said The deceased was my father. He, myself, brother, and brother-in law left about 9.30 on 7th inst.. and got to Henley about 10.15, we rode to Henley with Leonard, father and my brother Nathan walking by the side. We went direct into the Fair Ground, and there father sold his horse. About two hours after we went into a public house and received the money. From there all four of us went into another public house. Then Leonard (the son-in-law) accussed father (the deceased; of stealing his whip, my sister, who had followed us in, said to her husband Leonard, you gave father the whip but father gave it to Leonard once. When we came out this second bouse Leonard tried to get up a quarrel with father about the whip, and the policeman ordered him to go home.we started off. When we had got about hundred yards Leonard came up to us, and father said i don't want to have anything to do with you Leonard and Leonard at once knocked him down. Father got up and struck at Leonard, who again knocked father down. We then carried father into Percy’s yard Greys Lane. we helped to pick father up and tried to get him away. When going Leonard knocked him down the second time. I didn’t hear Leonard speak between the times he knocked father down. Father did not provoke Leonard in any way. To the jury. Leonard had interest in the father’s horse. Father could not speak after he was knocked down the second time Richardson, M.D., said I saw deceased on Saturday evening shortly after he was admitted. He was suffering from violent delirium. I have since made post mortem examination. The body was well nourished, and the lungs stomach, heart, spleen, kidneys. and intestines all healthy. On examining the head externally I found no wound with the exception of two marks behind the ears where blisters had been applied. On removing the scalp I found no adhesions. The whole external membranes were highly congested evidently beneath them. There was accumulation about one ounce, at the base of the brain; a marked congestion in the right frontal lobe extending over an area of about four inches by three inches; a slight congestion in the left frontal lobe; the anterior portion of the right frontal lobe; the anterior portion of the right frontal lobe showed destruction of brain tissue. I consider the cause of death to be acute meningitis and acrebritis. The injuries to the brain were not of long standing and might have been caused by the blow and fall spoken of. Such inflammation generally arises from a blow or knock. Deceased died about 12.45 on Monday morning. The jury returned a verdict of manslaughter against Leonard Ewes or Hughes. The coroner issued a warrant for apprehension of Ewes
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Saturday 30 August 1890
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LEIGHTON BUZZARD
Leighton Buzzard, milkman, for a similar offence, was adjourned to allow him to comply with the Act. Trespass for Conies.— William Gotchin, John Bull, John Faunch, and Ezra Janes, all labourers, of Leighton Buzzard, were charged with being in search of ...
Wednesday 11 June 1890
Portsmouth Evening News
Hampshire
THE WHEEL OF FATE
THE WHEEL OF FATE. Gipsy and Her Croydon, Wednesday.—At Croydon, to-day, Gipsy named Mary Draper was sentenced to four months' hard labour for obtaining money from Mrs. Collins, woman good position, aged 45, under pretence of telling her fortune ...
Saturday 19 April 1890
Portsmouth Evening News
Hampshire
—Henry Draper, 23, hawker, and James Noble, 28, baker, indicted for attempting obtain false pretences Is. 6d., the moneys Ernest Eilondcr, constable in the Borough Police Force, on the Ist March.—Mr. Bovill Saws') prosecuted.— Draper pleaded guilty ...
Saturday 01 November 1890
Berkshire Chronicle
Berkshire
Gipsies Encamping.— Mary Ann Draper and Charles Dowell, alias Thompson, gipsies, were summoned for encamping in Woodcock Lane, Grazeley, on the 23rd in st. Draper did not appear. P.C. Brain proved the case and ...
Monday 07 January 1889
Portsmouth Evening News
Hampshire
PETERSFIELD
Thomas Carey, a gipsy, was charged with stealing a shoeing hammer, a rasp, and a half-round file, of the value of 10s., the property of William ...
Saturday 18 May 1889
Peterborough Advertiser
Northamptonshire
vinimento Draper, a gipsy* wee charged with allowing one horse to stray on the highway at Eastrea. Defendant did not appear
Saturday 31 August 1889
Herts Advertiser
Hertfordshire
SHENLEY. Stealing Partridge Eggs —At the Barnet Petty Sessions, on Monday, Elias Draper (68), gipsy, was fined 3s., with 8s. costs, for stealing six partridge eggs from a nest in a field at Shenley, on May 11th
Saturday 16 November 1889
Surrey Mirror
Surrey
HEAVY FINE
Thomas, John, and Elias Carey, gipsies, were obarged with damaging property at Bast Clandon. belonging to the Bari of Lovelace. P.C. Wakefield stated that on the 6th inst. he saw prisoners, who belonged to a gipsy encampment in West Horsley, pulling ...
Saturday 14 December 1889
Berkshire Chronicle
Berkshire
HENLEY
Drunk and Disorderley.— Elijah Carey, a gipsy, residingat Forest Road, was charged with being drunk and disorderly in the Forest on November 28th last. The defendant ...
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Friday 08 June 1888
Hendon & Finchley Times
London
Kisby Draper, gipsy, was charged with bring concerned with another not in custody in stealing four eggs from Charles Ford, the property to Mr. George Barter
Saturday 10 November 1888
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
BUCKLAND. Found Drowned in Ditch.—Mr. Fell, coroner, held an inquest on Wednesday last at the Rothschild's Arms, on the body of man unknown, which was found a ditch in this parish on Tuesday morning. The following evidence was taken : —William Foskett of Drayton Beauchamp, said on the previous morning, about quarter to 7, he was going to his work down the road leading to Puttenham, when he saw him lying on the back of the ditch. On going and looking into the ditch, which was about 2ft deep, with perhaps afoot of water the bottom of it, he saw the body of deceased lying face downwards in the water. Close to the ditch there was a mark as if deceased had been rolling about. There were no footmarks.—P.C. Richard Neal, stationed at Aston Clinton, said on the previous day, about 8 a.m., he received information of the deceased having been found in the ditch, mentioned by last witness, and went to the spot. Deceased was lying on his right side in the ditch, and the water was just over his head. He was quite stiff and cold, having apparently been dead some hours. Witness, with assistance got the body out and
had it conveyed to the Rothschild Arms. He searched deceased's clothes, but found nothing except a few matches. He had made enquiries, but had been unable to identify deceased. Witness knew him by sight as having been in company with gipsy horse-dealers. Deceased's hat was lying about two yards from the ditch, and a short pipe by the side of it. The ditch had recently been cleared out, and there was small piece of grass on the bank. There was a trace of deceased having laid on the grass, and apparently rolled off into the ditch, there being knuckle mark in the mud by the bank above the water, as if he had struggled along the ditch; there was also mark where he seemed to have rested his shoulder. There was no trace of any footprint or of a struggle.—Robert Barton said on Monday afternoon between 3 and 4 o'clock be saw a man whom he recognised as the deceased, opposite the Rising Sun at Aston Clinton. He was by himself, and seemed undecided which way to go. He ultimately turned towards Buckland, and in the direction
of where he was found. Witness saw deceased take his pipe from his hat and attempt to light it. About two hours before he saw deceased as described some gipsies' vans passed through from the direction of Aylesbury. Deceased perfectly sober ;he was muttering to himself. —Mr. James Brown, surgeon, of Tring, , said he had examined the body, and found no marks of violence upon it. He came to the conclusion that death was caused by drowning. He should say that deceased was from forty-five to fifty years of age. His hair was originally dark, and was just turning grey. He had a beard and moustache.The jury returned verdict of Accidentally drowned. [We understand that the body has since the inquest been identified by a near relative as that of Ansel Biles, aged 60 years, a gipsy, of no settled home.]
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Saturday 17 November 1888
Reading Mercury
Berkshire
DISTRICT NEWS
Singular Death by Drowning at Buckland. —An inquest was held on the 7th inst. at Buckland, before Mr. G. Fell, coroner, on the body of a man then unknown, but since identified Ansell Smith, a gipsy, about 60 years of age, who was found drowned in a ditch in the Puttenham-road, in the parish of Drayton Beauchamp ..
Saturday 08 January 1887
Buckingham Advertiser and Free Press
Buckinghamshire
WOLVERTON
OBSTRUCTING THE HIGHWAY.— William Bryant travelling hawker, was charged with encamping on the highway in the parish of Sherrington, on the 29th December. —P.C. Jewe Cooper proved serving the summons personally on the defendant on the 3rd inst., and stated that on the 29th of December last the defendant’s van was encampod on the public highway...
near the pump in the parish of Sherrington, and that he was requested by the Surveyors of the highways to remove the van. He then went and asked the defendant to remove his van, and he refused to do so. The defendant is a travelling hawker.—The defendant was fined 5/- and 6/- costs, in default to be committed for 7 days. The money was paid.— Mary Smith, a travelling hawker, was charged with asimilar offence at the same time and place, and was fined 5/- and 6/- costs, in default be committed for 7 days.— Fiance Byles, travelling hawker, was also charged with a like offence the same time and place. The defendant appeared in person, and stated that she was guilty, but was not aware that she was doing anything wrong. The defendant was fined 6/- and 4/- costs, in default to be committed for 7 days’ hard labour
Saturday 08 January 1887
Buckingham Advertiser and Free Press
Buckinghamshire
OBSTRUCTING THE HIGHWAY.— William Bryant travelling hawker, was charged with encamping on the highway in the parish of Sherrington, on the 29th December. —P.C. Jewe Cooper proved serving the summons personally on the defendant on the 3rd inst., and stated that on the 291h of December last the last the defendant’s van was encamped on the public highway near the pump in the parish of Sherrington, and that he was requested by the Surveyors of the highways to remove the van. He then went and asked the defendant to remove his van, and he refused to do so. The defendant is a travelling hawker.—The defendant was fined 5/- and 6/- costa, in default to be committed for 7 days . The money was paid.— Mary Smith, a travelling hawker, was charged with a similar offence at the same time and place, and was fined 5/- and 6/- costs, in default be committed for 7 days.— Fiance Byles, travelling hawker, was also charged with a like offence the same time and place. The defendant appeared in person, and stated that she was guilty, but was not aware that she was doing anything wrong. The defendant was fined 5/- and 9/6 costs, in default to be committed for 7 days’ hard labour
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Saturday 05 February 1887
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
HIGH WYCOMBE
Gipsies in Trouble.—At the County Police Court, on January 28, present: W. Rose, Esq.— Abraham Draper, Luke Parker, and Edward Parker, gipsies, were charged with stealing a quantity of underwood, value ...
Saturday 05 March 1887
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
DISTRICT NEWS
On Monday morning they apprehended William Cotchin, known by the surname of Draper and other aliases, at Leighton station, as he was leaving the town, and his home in Leighton ...
Saturday 12 March 1887
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LINSLADE
... Police Court, on Monday last (before Major Levi), William Cotchin, alias Draper, twenty-two, labourer, of Leighton Buzzard, was brought up in custody, on remand, charged with having unlawfully wounded WilliamSmith, boatman, of Oldbury, near Birmingham, by ...
Saturday 16 April 1887
Northampton Mercury
Northamptonshire
William Smith, dealer, Crick, was charged with allowing four horses to stray, and was fined 10 s., and costs 9s. 6d. Fiance Byles, hawker, Crick was charged with allowing horse to 'stray— The defendant, a woman, said the horse slipped the halter while getting a little refreshment.—Fined and costs
Saturday 04 June 1887
Reading Mercury
Berkshire
WOKINGHAM COUNTY BENCH
Horse Straying.—Elijah Carey, gipsy, was charged by P.c. Purchase with allowing a horse to stray the Forest-road, Wokingham, on the 20th May. He pleaded guilty ...
Saturday 16 July 1887
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LEIGHTON BUZZARD
Drunkenness.— Mary Cotchin, single woman, of Leighton Buzzard, for being drnnk and disorderly that place, on the 19th June, was fined 2s. 6d., with 7s ...
Saturday 17 August 1878
Buckingham Express
Buckinghamshire
BUCKINGHAM EXPRESS, SATURDAY- owners of cattle, horses, should learn from the case under consideration. ALLOWING A HORSE TO STRAY. Thomas Webb, of Stewkley, dealer. was summoned for that he being the owner, and in charge of a horse and cart in the parish of Thornborongh, on the 22 of July, was negligently at such a distance from it all and not to be able to have proper control' of the same. Defendant did not appear but had sent his 'wife. P.C. Lorton said he served a summons on defendant personally at Stewkley.Witness was on duty in Thornborough between one and two o'clock on the 22nd of July, when he saw a horse attached to a cart straying about the road, and on to the road side. Witness watched the horse and cartfor twenty minutes, and then went into the Two Brewer., where he saw defendant, and told him he had been watching the horse, and that he had told him (defendant) of the same thing twice before. Defendant admitted the truth of the statement, and said he would be more cautious in the future. The Bench ordered payment of 10s, fine and 11s 6d. costs, which defendant's wife paid. ALLOWING HORSES TO STRAY. Fiance Smith, hawker, of Lymington,. Gloucestershire, was summoned as the owner of one horse found straying at Chetwode, on the morning of the 6th of February, 1877. And Aaron Byles, of Hornley, Northamptonshire, was also summoned as the owner of a horse found straying at the same time and place. Aaron Byles did not appear. his wife (who said her name was Fiance Smith (or Mrs. Bytes's) in Aaron In Fiance Smith's (or Mrs. Byles's) case the fine was ss. and Ile. meta. in Aaron Byles's case the fine was se. and 14s. costs, the whole of which was paid by Mrs. Byles who said it was a great shame at the time the horses were found straying, she said her husband was not present as she had come to speak for herself and her husband also. She admitted that her horse was with some others on the morning in question. P.C. Ayres sworn said, . said, he was on duty in the parish of Chetwoode near the Church in company with P.C. Jacks, on the morning of the 6th of Feb. 1877………………………………………………………………….
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Saturday 15 October 1887
Buckingham Advertiser and Free Press
Buckinghamshire
WINSLOW
Game Tresspass. —John Eggerton, William Cotchin, Samuel Stevens, and William Stevens, all of Leighton Buzzard, were charged witn Having trespassed in search of game
Saturday 02 October 1886
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
NEWPORT PAGNELL
... and Kisbey Cotchin, alias Draper, were charged under the Poaching Prevention Act, with being in unlawful possession of game, Little Brickhill
Monday 20 December 1886
Evening Star
Suffolk
and James Draper, gipsies, were charged with having unlawfully encamped on the highway
Saturday 27 November 1886
Northampton Mercury
Northamptonshire
BEDFORDSHIRE
William alias Cotchin. alias Draper, labourer, Leighton, was summoned for assaulting John James, Leighton, Nov. 15th
Saturday 25 December 1886
Essex Newsman
Essex
Job Gaskin and James Draper, travelling gipsies, charged with having encamped upon the highway at East Donyland, on the 15th inst
Saturday 14 March 1885
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LEIGHTON BUZZARD
... SESSIONS, Tuesday, March 10. Present—A. Macnamara, Esq., T. Harris, Esq., and the Rev. C. E. Haslam. Game Offences.— William Cotchin and Alfred Brandom, labourers, of Leighton Buzzard, were charged with trespassing for rabbits on land
Saturday 02 May 1885
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
NEWPORT PAGNELL
On the highway at Hanslope on Sunday, April 19, fined 2s. 6d. and 10s. costs. William Smith, for similar offence at the same time and place, was fined a similar amount. Gipsying.— Fiance Byles was charged with encamping on the highway Hanslope on the same day, and was fined
Tuesday 08 September 1885
Morning Post
London
SURREY SESSIONS.—Monday
Daniel Bloomfield alias Spencer Draper, was indicted for having on the 6th of May, last year, stolen a grey mare, value £30, and a cart and harness, the property ...
Saturday 14 November 1885
Buckingham Advertiser and Free Press
Buckinghamshire
NEWPORT PAGNELL
Aaron Bylet, a gipsy hawker, was charged P.-c. Batchelor with being drunk and riotous in the streets of New Bradwell, and with refusing to be quiet ...
Saturday 01 March 1884
Reading Mercury
Berkshire
The Charge of Fortune Telling. Britannia Draper, gipsy, was charged on remand with pretending to tell fortunes to Rose Taylor, on the 11th inst. She was committed to prison for ...
Saturday 21 June 1884
Essex Newsman
Essex
PETTY SESSIONS
Danbury : Damaging a Plantation.— Elias Draper, alias Harris, a boy, a travelling hawker, was charged with cutting certain trees on land belonging to Sir Brook George Bridges ...
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Saturday 28 June 1884
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
NEWPORT PAGNELL
Nuisance. Spencer Draper was charged with damaging a bank, the property of Mr. C. H. Whitworth, at Newport Pagnell, on the June.—Mr. Whitworth ...
Saturday 19 July 1884
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
BLEDLOW. Run Over.—An inquest was held on Monday, at the Three Crowns Inn, Askett, before Mr. G. Fell, coroner, on the body of Keziah Smith.—John Smith, who described himself as a dealer, said the deceased was his wife. She was 63 years of age, and a licensed hawker. When he was at home, witness lived at Kings Sutton,Northamptonshire, but he travelled about the country and lived in a caravan. Between five and six o'clock on Saturday they were going through Bledlow. Witness was in the caravan asleep, and his wife was leading the mare drawing the caravan. Witness found that the mare was running away, and on stopping her could not see his wife. He went back and found her lying in front of the public house at Bledlow on a bed. They brought her to Askett, where she died on Monday morning. The mare was a very steady animal.—Emma Taylor Smith, daughter of the deceased, said she was staying with her people at Askett. She heard that her mother had met with accident, and went to Bledlow to see her. She said that as she was passing the school some little boys threw a stone which frightened the horse, and she was run over.—Mrs. Sneath, wife of the vicar of Bledlow, stated that on Saturday afternoon she saw the deceased leading horse attached to a large hawker's cart. As witness was drawing near she saw the horse the horse galloping, and deceased trying to stop it. She fell to the ground, and the wheels went over her body. Witness called for aid, and the deceased was removed to the public house Witness saw some boys standing near the school. —Mr. Thomas Warren, surgeon, Princes Risborough, said he was sent for on Saturday to see the deceased. He found her in a state of shock, and she had received severe internal injuries from which she died.—P.S. Trevener said he had made inquiries at Bledlow. but could not find that there had been any stone throwing by the boys near the school. —A verdict of Accidental Death was returned
Saturday 19 July 1884
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LINSLADE
... William Cotchin, labourer, of Leighton Buzzard, was charged with having assaulted Henry Hodgam, at Linslade, on July 6th.—Defendant did not appear.—Complainant stated that, after he had been bathing in the canal with defendant and others, Cotchin charged ...
Saturday 19 July 1884
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
... point where an open watercourse runs alongside the highway by Mrs. Cotchin's farm. This watercourse, it may be remembered, Mr. Turney, of Hockliffe, as the executor of the late Mr. Cotchin, had agreed to cover in, under certain conditions but, at the last ...
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Saturday 09 August 1884
Cambridge Independent Press
Cambridgeshire
Petty Sessions. —August 6. —Before E. Fellowes, Esq., and the Rev. Thomas Woodruff. Joseph Loveridge, alias Thomas Jones, a travelling gipsy was summoned for assaulting Elias Draper, another travelling gipsy, at Ramsey, on the Ist of August. The case was dismissed.—The same defendant for assaulting Caroline Smith, a gipsy, on the same day, was fined Is ...
Friday 26 December 1884
Herts & Cambs Reporter & Royston Crow
Hertfordshire
James Draper, hawker, of Luton, Beds., was charged by Supt. Simpson with encamping on a certain highway at Elmond, on the 15th December
Friday 26 January 1883
Chelmsford Chronicle
Essex
William Draper, hawker, summoned for neglecting to send his child Timothy to school, was ordered to pay 4s., the costs incurred, within 13 days ...
Saturday 17 February 1883
Berkshire Chronicle
Berkshire
—Jane Draper, a hawker, was charged with being drunk in Crown Street, on Monday. P.C. Wetherall stated the facts. it was the first offence the ...
Saturday 31 March 1883
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
AYLESBURY PETTY SESSION
... Noisy Gipsy. Aaron Boyles, a gipsy, who did not appear, was charged with using bad language at Kingsbury, Aylesbury, on October 13th. —P.S. Guess said on the 13th October, about nine the evening, he saw defendant Kingsbury with lot more gipsies. He was ...
Saturday 28 July 1883
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
Cotchin and Hickinbottom 8s. 6d. costs ; Brandom and Daniels 2s. 6d. each and 8s. 6d. costs ; Baines, Cotchin, and Hickinbottom were committed in default
Saturday 15 September 1883
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LINSLADE
Apple Robbery. William Cotchin Wit Cooper and Charles' Pratt, three lads of Leighton Buzzard, were charged with throwing ' at certain apple trees ...
Saturday 27 May 1882
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
AYLESBURY PETTY SESSION A Straying Horse. Cornelius Tenner was fined 55., and costs, for allowing a horse to stray on the highway at Ellesborough on the 6th of May. Gipsing. Wyham Smith, Annie Boyles, Elias Smith, and Ansel Boyles, members of the gipsy tribe, were fined 13s. each, including costs, for camping on the highway at Ellesborough ...
Saturday 05 August 1882
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LEIGHTON BUZZARD,
School Attendance.— Richard Hyde, Wm. Evans, Kisby Cotchin, Chas. Foster, Thos. Cripps, John Stairs, Wm. Gilbert, Joseph Brand, Wm. Church, and Martha Clements, all of Leighton ...
Saturday 16 September 1882
Western Daily Press
Bristol
Davis was charged with assaulting Lementina Draper. Both were gipsies. The case was dismissed
Saturday 11 November 1882
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
AYLESBURY PETTY SESSION
Drunkenness.Keziah Smith, who did not appear, was summoned for being drunk and disorderly in Kingsbury, Aylesbury. —P.S. Guess said that on the evening of the 13th of October defendant was with a lot of gipsies in Kingsbury drunk, creating a disturbance, and using very bad language. He threatened to lock her up, and her husband took her away. Fined £1 and 13s. costs, or fourteen days in default
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Saturday 11 November 1882
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
AYLESBURY PETTY SESSION
Riley Beldom, who did not appear, was charged with two similar offences at Aston Sandford and Stone, was fined 10s. and 9s. costs in ...
Friday 08 December 1882
Chelmsford Chronicle
Essex
Josiah Smith, alias Draper, alias Jeremiah Shau was charged with being concerned with two others not in custody in the theft of a cart, saddle, breeching, ...
Tuesday 18 January 1881
Bury and Norwich Post
Suffolk
Poaching.— Jas. Smith, alias Draper, 40. was brought up in custody under remand, charged with night poaching on the estate of H. S. Waddington, Esq., of Cavenham ...
Saturday 19 February 1881
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LOCAL INTELLIGENCE
Kisby Draper, labourer, of Leighton Buzzard, also pleaded guilty to a similar offence, at the same time and place, and was also fined ...
Thursday 14 July 1881
Banbury Guardian
Oxfordshire
Aaron Boyles, hawker, Everley, was charged with allowing four horses to stray at Moreton Pinkney, March
Saturday 02 July 1881
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
NEWPORT PAGNELL
Allowing Horses to Stray.— Aaron Boyles was charged with allowing two horses to stray on the highway at Lathbury, on the June, and was fined 10s. and ss. 6d. costs
Saturday 19 November 1881
Essex Newsman
Essex
James Draper, alias Elias Smith, notorious poacher, was charged with poaching at Bondish wood the Radwinter, on thn 14th Nov., at four o'clock ...
Saturday 31 January 1880
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LATE LOCAL INTELLIGENCE
... the evening of the 24th, and made enquiries at Mr. Brandom's marine stores, where it was sold during the evening.—Elizabeth Cotchin proved that defendant brought the lock to her for sale, and knowing it to be stolen (in consequence of previous enquiries) ...
Saturday 22 May 1880
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
Assault. Keziah Smith, travelling hawker, of Stewkley. appeared discharge of bail, charged with having assaulted Dinah Sulston, wife of a butcher ...
Saturday 24 July 1880
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
Horse Straying.— Thomas Beldham, who ...
Saturday 27 September 1879
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
NEWPORT PAGNELL
Highway Offences. Aaron Boyles, a travelling hawker, was charged by Inspector Hall, with two breaches of the Highway Act —on the 18th July, of allowing his ...
Friday 29 March 1878
Chelmsford Chronicle
Essex
PETTY SESSIONS
John Shaw, alias Draper, hawker, of Hitching, charged for depasturing a donkey at Abbotts Hoding, on the 13th instant, was in his absence fined 2s
Saturday 24 August 1878
Pontypool Free Press
Monmouthshire
coroner, W. Lewis, Esq., touching the death of Israel Draper, a gipsy, who was over 100 years of age, and well known and respected in the locality. The only evidence given was that of Selina Draper, daughter of the deceased— herself about 60 years of age-who ...
Saturday 17 August 1878
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
BUCKINGHAM
Stray Horses.— Finance Smith, hawker, of Lymington, Gloucestershire, was summoned as the owner of one horse found straying at Chetwode, on the morning of the 6th of February, 1877; and Aaron Byles, of Henley, Northamptonshire, was also ...
Saturday 17 March 1877
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
NEWPORT PAGNELL
Aaron Boyle was charged with permitting three horses to stray upon the highway, in the parish of Willen, on the 16th inst
Saturday 12 May 1877
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
BIRTHS, MARRIAGES, & DEATHS.
Cotching.—At Leighton Buzzard, on the 4th inst., Eliza Cotching, aged 71 years
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Friday 02 November 1877
Essex Standard
Essex
THE WINTER ASSIZE
Stealing a Valuable Letter. Alfred Gray, alias Jim Lees, 28, and Tom Gray, alias Ambrose Draper, gipsy fiddlers, were indicted for having stolen a post letter, containing a cheque for £10, the property of the Postmaster-General ...
Saturday 03 November 1877
Norfolk News
Norfolk,
Alfred Gray, alias Jim Lees (28), and Tom Gray, alias Ambrose Draper (29), described as gipsy fiddlers, were charged with stealing a letter containing a £lO cheque at Chatteris ...
Saturday 16 January 1875
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LEIGHTON BUZZARD
Trespassing in Search of Game. Jas. Barker and Kisby Draper, alias Cotching, two old offenders, were brought up in custody charged with trespassing on land at Heath…
Saturday 16 January 1875
Buckingham Advertiser and Free Press
Buckinghamshire
LEIGHTON BUZZARD
Night Poaching. On Saturday last a man named Kisby Draper, alias Cotchin, who had been apprehended in London, was brought up at the Magistrates’ clerk’s oflice, before F. Bassett, Esq., U P, charged ...
Saturday 23 January 1875
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
Leatherland. —At the Red Lion, Frogmore-street, on the 18th inst., Mrs. Elizabeth Leatherland, in her 112 th year
Saturday 30 January 1875
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
TRING
... not the slightest evidence that the baptismal certificate of Elizabeth Horan referred to Elizabeth Hearn or Hern, that no trace was to be found of her asserted marriage to Leatherland at Dover in 1785, and no confirmation produced of any one of the ...
Saturday 24 April 1875
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
BRILL
... SESSION, Monday, April 19. Present—B. H. Morland, Esq., H. Bode, Esq., and the Rev. R. H. Pigott. Stray Horses.— Riley Beldham and Thomas Beldham, hawkers, were charged with allowing four horses to stray on the turnpike road at Ludgershall, on April 7th. ...
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Saturday 28 February 1874
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LOCAL INTELLIGENCE
Assault.— Kisby Cotching, a labourer, of Leighton, was charged by Ann Cotching with assaulting her on February 8th. .—Defendant, who had been summoned, did not appear, and the magistrates issued a warrant for his apprehension
Saturday 21 March 1874
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
Reuben Draper, of Hudnall, a labourer, was charged by Thomas Gurney, with assaulting him at the Bridgewater Arms, Little Gaddesden, on the 27th ult. —In defence, Draper said he did not strike Gurney manfully….
Saturday 08 August 1874
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
TRING. An Ancient Harvester.—The venerable old lady, Betsy Leatherland (not Leatherton, as previously stated), was unable to appear in the harvest field as announced on Tuesday last, on account ...
Saturday 29 August 1874
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LOCAL INTELLIGENCE
... Harvey, late Vicar of Tring, allow me to state that there appears to be ground for doubting whether' Old Betty' (Elizabeth Leatherland) is really in her 112 th year. The gipsy family of Hearn, to which she claims to belong, is well known in the counties ...
Saturday 12 September 1874
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LOCAL INTELLIGENCE
Gaming.—A fine of Is., and 9s. 9d. costs, was inflicted on each of two youths, Jeremiah Cooper and Kisby Draper, of the age of 17 and 1d respectively, for gaming on the highway, on Sunday week last.—An alternative of 14 days'
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Saturday 03 October 1874
Northampton Mercury
Northamptonshire
Rabbit Stealing.— Louisa Mobbs, alias Draper, No. 3, Court, 2, Quart Pot-lane, was charged with stealing a rabbit value Is. the property of George Howett, Quart Pot-lane ...
Saturday 01 June 1872
Northampton Mercury
Northamptonshire
LEIGHTON BUZZARD
Obstructing the Footpath.—Giles Kempster, carter, of Heath-and-Reach, who had been previously convicted for similar offences, was fined with 8s. costs, for having, in May, obstructed the public foot-path at Lanisey, Buzzard, leaving two loaded timber carriages ...
Wednesday 26 June 1872
Hampshire Advertiser
Hampshire
Hawking without a License.— Elizabeth Carey, a gipsy, who appeared in court with a child in her arms, was charged by Police-constable Carter with hawking goods for sale… respect.. true
Saturday 04 February 1871
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
Riley Beldom, allowing horses to stray ...
Saturday 29 July 1871
Cheltenham Mercury
Gloucestershire
Conviction Gipsy Fortunteller .—At the Stroud Police-court last week, Mary Ann Draper, gipsy, was brought up on charge of telling fortune, It appeared that
Saturday 18 November 1871
Luton Times and Advertiser
Bedfordshire
STEALING MONEY. Ambrose Draper, gipsy, was charged that he stole two halfcrowns and three florins
Saturday 29 July 1871
Gloucestershire Chronicle
Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Draper, a gipsy, hase been sent to prison for telling fortunes
Tuesday 28 November 1871
Bedfordshire Times and Independent
Bedfordshire
ASSAULTING A POLICEMAN, Ambrose Draper, gipsy, was charged with assaulting a Police-constable a member of the Dunstable Borough Police Force, on the 13th instant, at Luton. The complainant and Police-constable Taylor, of the Luton force, went to ...
Saturday 30 April 1870
Hertfordshire Express and General Advertiser
Hertfordshire
Edward Draper. gipsy, charged with assaulting PC. Dunn
Saturday 28 May 1870
Luton Times and Advertiser
Bedfordshire
Died recently at the above place, Samuel Draper, better known as Old Sam Draper. Gipsy fiddler, who will remembered by the people of Herts
Saturday 27 March 1869
Buckingham Advertiser and Free Press
Buckinghamshire
Drunk and Riotous. —Keziah Smith, apparently a gipsy, was charged with being drunk and creating a disturbance on Saturday night last at the Plough Inn, Aylesbury
Saturday 23 October 1869
Hertfordshire Express and General Advertiser
Hertfordshire
Elias Draper, gipsy, was charged with trespassing in pursuit of game, the offence was commuted in conjunction with Edward Draper, who was convicted in May Mr Lines gave ...
Saturday 21 August 1869
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
Purrett—Cotchin—On the 12th inst., at St. Barnabas' Chrurh, the Rev H. A. Gibson, assisted the Rev J. Shearm, Richard Purrett, Leighton Buzzard, third son Mr Thomas Purrett, of Southeott, to Mary, second daughter of the late Mr John Cotchin, of Southentt ...
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Saturday 14 August 1869
Buckingham Advertiser and Free Press
Buckinghamshire
Ansell Smith, of Buckingham, labourer, was also summoned for drunkenness and riotous conduct in the Borough, on the 28th ult. Fined 2s 6d and costs ; in default 14 days’ imprisonment
Tuesday 26 May 1868
Bedfordshire Times and Independent
Bedfordshire
LUTON
gipsey in Trouble.—James Jones, alias Edward Draper, alias Ambrose Draper, a gipsey, was brought up on remand charged with using a gun for the purpose of taking game, on the 16th ...
Saturday 23 May 1868
Luton Times and Advertiser
Bedfordshire
An Offence Three years Ago. James Jones, alias Edward Draper, remanded on charge of unlawfully using a gun for the purpose of killing game
Tuesday 30 June 1868
Essex Herald
Essex
THE ESSEX HERALD, Tuesday, June 30, 1868
Ambrose Draper, horse stealing at Waltham Holy Cross
Saturday 01 August 1868
Northampton Mercury
Northamptonshire
LEIGHTON BUZZARD
... Giles Kempster, carter, of Heath-and-Reach, was charged for allowing two horses to stray on the highway, July.—Defendant did not appear. —Kempster was fined, in default, 14 days.
Saturday 29 August 1868
Hertford Mercury and Reformer
Hertfordshire
James Draper, a gipsy, was charged with stealing the cover of a pleasure boat
Saturday 10 October 1868
Bedfordshire Mercury
Bedfordshire
Edward Draper, a gipsy, was charged with being drunk and riotous in Park-street. Inspector James proved the violence of the prisoner, and the chairman
Saturday 09 March 1867
Bedfordshire Mercury
Bedfordshire
Dkunkinness. —Edward Draper, gipsy, was found guilty of being drunk and riotous on the 6th ult.—Fined 20s, or 10 days
Saturday 09 March 1867
Bedfordshire Mercury
Bedfordshire
Riley Beldam and Meshack Hearn, tinkers, charged with stealing one bay gelding and one brown mare, the property of Henry Smith, of Husbome
Saturday 16 March 1867
Bedfordshire Times and Independent
Bedfordshire
RILEY BELDAM (24) and MESHACK HEARN (27), both described as tinkers (trial postponed from last assizes, and removed from Aylesbury under ...
Saturday 20 July 1867
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LOCAL INTELLIGENCE
Inquest.—On Wednesday last, an inquest was held the Royal Oak, in the parish of Oakley, on the body of Sarah Boiles, who was found suffocated in her bed
Friday 26 July 1867
Bicester Herald
Oxfordshire
On Tuesday an inquest was held before George Fell, Esq., at the Royal Oak Inn Oakley, on the body of Sarah Boiles, aged 13 month s, daughter of Ansell Boiles, a travelling hawker. The deceased slept with her father and mother in a bed in the van, and the party was camped out near Horton turning on Monday night. The mother stated that she rose as usual on Tuesday morning, and took the deceased's clothes to dress her, when she found the child was quite dead. Cinderella Beldam, sister of Mrs. Boilea, confirmed her evidence, and Mr. Knight, surgeon, Brill, gave an opinion that the child had been suffocated by the bedclothes, or might possibly have been overlaid by the mother. It was a healthy child, and appeared to have been well cared for, The jury returned a verdict of Accidental death
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Tuesday 22 October 1867
Bedfordshire Times and Independent
Bedfordshire
Embezzlement at Leighton Buzzard. THOMAS KEMPSTER was indicted for embezzling certain sumes of money, the property of John Burrows, his master
Tuesday 29 October 1867
Leighton Buzzard Observer and Linslade Gazette
Bedfordshire
Kishy Draper, gipsy, was charged with having, on the l0th inst., refused to quit the house of the Gray Hound Inn, about two o’clock in the morning
Saturday 23 November 1867
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LOCAL INTELLIGENCE
Trespass.— Joseph Noah and Samuel Kempster were charged with trespassing on the estate of Lord Chesham in search of game on Sunday, the 10th inst. They both pleaded ...
Saturday 07 April 1866
Windsor and Eton Express
Berkshire
Henrietta Cooper and Mary Anne Draper, gipsies, were charged by Police-constable Hunt with begging, at Hampton Court, on Friday last
Saturday 14 April 1866
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LOCAL INTELLIGENCE
LINSLADE. Horse Stealing.—William Shirley, a tramping horse dealer, was charged before the Rev. P. T. Ouvry, the Linslade lockup, on Thursday last, with being accomplice with two other prisoners previously in custody, named Riley Beldham, and Hearn, for stealing a set of a gig harness, on the 28th of March last, the property of John Gurney, of Hillingdon, and on the 29th of March, dark-brown horse, belonging to Mr. Thomas Woodman, of Littlecote, and a cart, the property of Mr Keene, of Stewkley, with which they made off. All three of the prisoners were remanded for examination until Monday next
Saturday 19 May 1866
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
And all Persons who are indebted to the estate of the said JOSEPH COTCHIN are requested to pay the amount of their Debts to the said HENRIETTA COTCHIN on or before the said 12th day of June next. Dated this day of April, 1866
Saturday 28 July 1866
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
Sale. BILLINGTON, LEIGHTON BUZZARD, BEDS. . Messrs. HART & SON W L SELL BY AUCTION, of the Farm of the late Mr. Joseph Cotchin
Tuesday 10 July 1866
Leighton Buzzard Observer and Linslade Gazette
Bedfordshire
Horse Stealing. —At the Bucks Assizes last week, Riley Beldam, hawker, Meshach Hearn, labourer, and William Shirley, horse dealer, &c., were charged with stealing a gelding, the property ...
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Saturday 07 January 1865
Herts Guardian, Agricultural Journal, and General Advertiser
Hertfordshire
Elizabeth Draper, a strapping gipsy girl, was charged with assaulting her mistress. Mrs. Crawley, of the Duke of William Inn, Duke-street, Huddesdon, on ...
Saturday 07 January 1865
Bedfordshire Mercury
Bedfordshire
on the 17th October; Draper came in, called for some beer, and threw down a half sovereign and asked for change. Smith came in with Draper. Mr. Douglas Brown, in a forcible address, contended that there was no evidence to connect Draper with the theft of ...
Saturday 07 January 1865
Cambridge Independent Press
Cambridgeshire
In Aylesbury Gaol. Edward Draper (19), gipsy, and Oliver Smith, charged with assaulting and stealing from the person of Jas. Randall
Saturday 06 May 1865
Bedfordshire Mercury
Bedfordshire
Riley Beldam and William Fletcher, gypsys, committed for trial, for stealing a mare from Thomas……
Saturday 23 September 1865
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
Business Premises, of good elevation commanding frontage, being No. 26, Stuart Street, in the occupation of Mr. William Cotchin, jnn., corn and flour
Saturday 28 October 1865
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LOCAL INTELLIGENCE
Wilfully Damaging Underwood. Lydia Kempster, Eliza Stone, Harriet King, and Emma Munday, all of Heath and Reach, were charged with entering Baker's Wood
Saturday 23 January 1864
Buckingham Advertiser and Free Press
Buckinghamshire
LEIGHTON BUZZARD
Poaching. —At the petty session, on Tuesday week (before Colonel Gilpin, M.P., Major Hanmer, and the Rev. G. E. Whyley), Kisby Draper, labourer, of Leighton Buzzard, was brought up in custody and charged with unlawfully entering enclosed land in the occupation ...
Saturday 26 March 1864
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
CHARGE OF RAPE AT PRESTWOOD. Riley Beldam was charged with this offence. Fanny Jennings, of Prestwood, 19 years of age, deposed that on the 14th instant, whilst ...
Saturday 16 April 1864
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LOCAL INTELLIGENCE
Attempted Rescue of a Prisoner.—Last Saturday Thomas Beldam was apprehended in Aylesbury market charged as follows:—lt appears that on the 15th ult. a travelling gipsy, Riley Beldam, son of the prisoner, was taken into custody for criminally assaulting ...
Saturday 02 July 1864
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
Thomas Beldam, 66, chair-bottomer and tinker, was indicted for assaulting Thomas Procter, while in the due execution of his duty as peace officer in the county of Buckingham
Saturday 02 July 1864
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
MARRIAGES. Cotchtng—Briggs.—On the 26th ult, Leighton Buzzard, by the Rev. T. W. Richards, Kisby Cotching, of North-street, to Sarah Briggs, both of Leighton
Saturday 16 July 1864
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
Riley Beldam, 22, labourer, charged with assaulting and ravishing one Fanny Jennings, at Prestwood, on the 14th March
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Friday 22 July 1864
Bicester Herald
Oxfordshire
Riley Beldam, 22, labourer. charged with assaulting and ravishing Fanny Jennings, at Prestwood, on the 14th of March, was acquitted
Saturday 23 July 1864
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
WYCOMBE
... of Great Missenden, driver for Mr. Reynolds, of Prestwood Common, was charged by John Kempster, constable of Hughenden, with furious driving at Hughenden. Mr. Kempster said—On tHe 17th June, in the parish of Hughenden, I saw the defendant driving a timber ...
Saturday 29 October 1864
Bedfordshire Times and Independent
Bedfordshire
Charge of Picking Pockets. —Smith and Draper, two gipsies, were brought up in custody, and charged with abstracting from the pockets of James Randall, of Sundon, the sum of 18s
Saturday 03 January 1863
Northampton Mercury
Northamptonshire
—Jane Smith (35), hawker, and Cinderella Beldam (30), hawker, charged with obtaining a quantity of grocery goods by false pretences, the property of Thomas Holman. Stanwick
Saturday 25 January 1862
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
stealing a loaf. Signora Hearn, gipsy, was charged with stealing a loaf, ralue 7d., the property of John Wood, of Princes' Risborough, on Tuesday, the 14th January ...
Wednesday 29 January 1862
Bucks Chronicle and Bucks Gazette
Buckinghamshire
LOCAL. BOARD OF HEALTH
Samuel Kempster, night poaching, 3 months, and and sureties
Saturday 08 February 1862
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LOCAL INTELLIGENCE
... and George Draper and Edmund May were charged with having committed a trespass in search of game on Berkhampstead Common. May appeared, but Draper having been committed to Hertford gaol last week for two months, did not make his appearance. The charge against May was dismissed
Saturday 01 March 1862
Hampshire Chronicle
Hampshire
ASSIZES. [Continued from our third page.} The following additional cases were heard yesterday: {Before Mr. Justice Byles.) John Draper, hawker, was sentenced to two months’ imprisonment. for feloniously receiring three geese and three ducks
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Saturday 22 March 1862
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LOCAL INTELLIGENCE
Using Snare.— Stephen Kempster was charged with using a snare for the purpose of taking partridges in the parish of Aldbury. Kempster pleaded guilty, and was fined 15s. and 10s. 6d. costs
Saturday 27 September 1862
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LOCAL INTELLIGENCE
PETTY SESSIONS. Sept. 24. Present—P. Dauncey, Esq., and Edward William Selby Lowndes, Esq. Drunk and Riotous - Anselm Byls, a gipsy, of Evenley, near Brackley, was fined for having, on the 22nd inst., been drunk and creating a disturbance
Wednesday 02 April 1862
London Evening Standard
London
WANDSWORTH
A Row AMONGST THE GIPSIES. —Drucella Smith a young gipsy woman, was brought up on warrant, charged with assaulting Cinderella Beldam. The assault took place on the 24th of February last, when the gipsies campt on Barnes common
Saturday 20 September 1862
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
BOARD OF GUARDIANS
James Kempster, a boy, who had run away from the House, was ordered to be taken before the magistrates, and afterwards placed in the able ...
Saturday 20 September 1862
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LOCAL INTELLIGENCE
.— On Wednesday, before J. E. Bartlett, Esq., a lad from the workhouse, named James Kempster, was sent to prison for three weeks for breaking out of the workhouse
Tuesday 02 December 1862
Bedfordshire Times and Independent
Bedfordshire
Stealing Straw, —Samuel Draper, an aged gipsy, was charged with stealing a quantity of straw, the property of Thomas Gatward, at Slip In, Caddington, on the 12th ...
Saturday 13 December 1862
Bedfordshire Mercury
Bedfordshire
... Meakins, charged with feloniously killing a sheep and steallng part of the carcass at Yardley Gobion.— Jane Smith, and Cinderella Beldam, charged with obtaining goods by false pretences at Potterspury
Wednesday 17 December 1862
Bucks Chronicle and Bucks Gazette
Buckinghamshire
WEDDINO.—Amos Smith and Cinderella Belden, two of the gipsy tribe, were charged with having obtained a quantity of groceries, of the value of 10s. 6d., of Mr. Thomas Holman, of Patterspury, on the 3rd of December, by false and fraudulent' pretences.—lt appeared that the two Romany's called at the prosecutor's shop, and informed the daughter that they had been recommended by a gentleman living in the plain to purchase goods of Mr. Holman, as a chap had just returned from Australia with lots of money, and was to be married to a sister of Cinderella's, by special license, on the following day, at Potterspury.—Sergeent Willis, of the Northamptonshire Constabelary, on hearing of the grand wedding, and at the goods being obtained for the festive celebration, started off in pursuit, and took them into custody with the articles upon them—The prisoners were committed for trial at the Quarter Sessions
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Saturday 05 January 1861
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
BUCKS EPIPHANY SESSION
STEALING PEAS AT CUESHAM. James Kempster, 56, laborer, charged with stealing seven quarts of peas, two quarts of oats, and one sack, value together 3s. 9d
Saturday 11 May 1861
Bucks Chronicle and Bucks Gazette
Buckinghamshire, England
John Kempster was brought up, charged under the vagrant act, he being found on the premises of Mr. Bunklow, of Aldbury
Saturday 06 July 1861
Hertford Mercury and Reformer
Hertfordshire
HERTFORDSHIRE MIDSUMMER QUARTER SESSION,
Charge of Stealing a Horse two years ago. Ambrose Draper, a gipsy, was charged with stealing a mare on the of August, 1859, the property of Edward Pennefather, at Welwyn.
Tuesday 09 July 1861
Herts Guardian, Agricultural Journal, and General Advertiser
Hertfordshire
—Ambrose Droper, a gipsy, was charged with stealing a mare and bridle halter, the property of Mr. Edward Pennyfather ...
……P.c. John Burt…. i found Draper in Aldesham: I found him standing outside some gipy's tents I asked his name, he said Jack Hearn: I told him I thought it was Ambrose Draper, and I wanted him for horse stealing: he struck me several times and called on his friends to turn out: after a struggle he was secured. Mr. Mills summoned up.—Verdict, guilty. Sentenced to 4 years' penal servitude ...
Saturday 05 October 1861
Bucks Chronicle and Bucks Gazette
Buckinghamshire
james Barker, Thos. Smith, G. Parrott. and Kisby Barker were charged with trespassing in pursuit of game at Linslade and Soulbury.—The cue against Parrott and Barker was dismissed ...
Wednesday 06 November 1861
Norwich Mercury
Norfolk
GUILDHALL.— Saturday. [Before the Mayor (W. J. U. Browne, Esq.), N, Palmer, and J. Betts, Esqs.] Elizabeth Draper, showily dressed gipsy girl, was charged with a robbery under the following circumstances: —On the previous Monday she had gone to lodge ...
Saturday 03 November 1860
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LOCAL INTELLIGENCE
Transfer.—The license of Mrs. Ann Cotchin, of the Golden Bell Inn, Church-square, Leighton Buzzard, was transfered to Mr. John Gurney, farmer, of Hallington
Saturday 22 January 1859
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LOCAL INTELLIGENCE
... plaintiff. & Packman's Cases.— Alexander Cunningham, packman, of Leighton Buzzard, appeared against the following persons for debts on account of drapery goods:— Jesse Paxton, Jos. Kempster, Thos. Alcock, John Yates, C ., and obtained orders for small monthly ...
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Saturday 26 February 1859
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LOCAL INTELLIGENCE
... vagrancy, fourteen days; Margaret Bryan, breaking windows, two months; Ann Macdonald, indecent behaviour, seven days ; John Kempster, stealing turnips, one month; Edward Yownes, ensouraging another to resist the police, thirteen days; Noel Morton, damaging ...
Saturday 12 March 1859
Reading Mercury
Berkshire
Sibilena Draper, Gipsy woman, who, if the statements of the husband can be relied on, would have attained the extraordinary age of 109 years next month. It appeared from the evidence that about fortnight since the deceased and her husband, George Draper, with ...
Saturday 26 November 1859
Wellington Journal
Shropshire
HORRID TRAGEDY
On the 17th inst., in a frail tent, on Homer-common, near Much Wenlock. aged 86, Righteous Draper, an old gipsy. His old widow, 83, refusing the blessings of the union-house, on Monday placed the tent and other worldly goods ...
Saturday 13 March 1858
Herts Guardian, Agricultural Journal, and General Advertiser
Hertfordshire
Draper, gipsy, was charged with poaching a partridge, January last
Saturday 24 January 1857
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LOCAL INTELLIGENCE
A Similar Offence.— William Kempster, Joseph Kempster, and James Kempster, labourers, Chesham, were charged with trespassing on land belonging to the Hon. C. C. Cavendish, M.P. ...
Thursday 09 July 1857
North Devon Journal
Devon
Devon Midsummer Quarter Sessions
Stealing a Horse at Black Torrington.— John Smith, alias Rezekiah Draper, 55, brush-hawker, was charged with, stealing at Black at Torrington.on the 7th March, 1856
Saturday 04 July 1857
Western Times
Devon
A horse stealer. John Smith, alias Draper, 55, brush maker, was charged with Stealing a mare
Saturday 08 March 1856
Northampton Mercury
Northamptonshire
NORTHAMPTON COUNTY COURT
LEIGHTON BUZZARD. At the Woburn Petty Sessions on Friday the 29th February two men named Draper and Smith, gypsies, were brought before the bench inspector Clough, Leighton, said under, the following circumstances the previous night ...
Saturday 06 May 1854
Oxford Journal
Oxfordshire
At the Newport Pagnell Union house, in the 101st year of her age, Nanny Draper, generally known as the Queen of the Gypsies.
Saturday 29 May 1852
Bucks Chronicle and Bucks Gazette
Buckinghamshire
Edmund Hearn, a gipsy, was charged by james' Hutchinson, gamekeeper to the Hon. C. C. Cavendish, M.P., with having been in search of game ...
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Saturday 01 March 1851
Windsor and Eton Express
Berkshire
BERKS PETTY SESSIONS
MONDAY.—[Before W. F. Riley and H. Seymour, Esqrs.] Benjamin Buthnell and Wellington Draper, two gipsies, apprehended by James Horton, police officer, Old Windsor, were charged with having, on Sunday last, stolen part of ...
Saturday 03 February 1849
Bucks Chronicle and Bucks Gazette
Buckinghamshire
Wm. Coles, an Irishman, was taken before Wm. Bickford, Esq., on Tues day last, by John Kempster, constable of Stone, on a charge of begging, and was committed to prison for seven days. ...
Saturday 13 May 1848
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
MAGISTRATES' CHAMBER, AYLESBURY
... Tuesday, May 8. {Before James Trevor Senior, Esq.) Horse Stealing. On Monday last The persons charged Edmund Hearn, and Frampton ...
Saturday 13 May 1848
Bucks Chronicle and Bucks Gazette
Buckinghamshire
At the Magistrates' Aylesbury, on Tuesday last. John Hearn, Edmund Hearn and Frampton three gypsies, were taken before J. T. Senior, Esq., charged by Mr. Collins with horse stealing
Saturday 21 October 1848
Bucks Gazette
Buckinghamshire
STEALING PLOUGHSHARES, HEATH AND REACH. Thomas Kempster and William King, labourers, charged with having on the 9th September, at Heath and Reach, stolen four sacks and five ploughshares ...
Saturday 06 November 1847
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
leaving his family chargeable to the parish of Aylesbury. —On the same day John Rice, labourer, of Stone, John Scotching, labourer, of Stone, Joseph Brooks, shoemaker, and John Robinson, were convicted by the same magistrate for being drunk and disorderly in Aylesbury
Saturday 10 August 1844
Bucks Gazette
Buckinghamshire
Commitments to the Bedford County Gaol
.—Joseph Kempster, of Chalgrave, charged with stealing one ewe sheep, the property of James Whinnelt
Saturday 24 August 1844
Hampshire Telegraph
Hampshire
Isle of Wight, SATURDAY, AUGUST 24, 1844
... committed to the Sessions for Stealing money sunday night, Isaac Light, alias Draper
Saturday 11 March 1843
Bucks Gazette
Buckinghamshire, England
William Draper, 40, labourer, charged with having, on the 25th January, Wavendon, stolen a quantity of wood, value 3d., the property of Henry Charles Hoare, Esq
Saturday 09 September 1843
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LOCAL INTELLIGENCE
(Before the R v. J. Harrison.) William Kempster, was charged with stealing a quantity of eggs, the property of his employer
Saturday 23 July 1842
West Kent Guardian
London
Clementina Draper, a gipsy, was charged by Thos. Butcher, a police-constable with fortune telling. Witness deposed that he saw the prisoner engaged ...
Saturday 24 April 1841
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
Frederick Draper, cutler, aged 22, were charged with stealing on the 26th of February, in Peascod-street, Windsor, six waistcoat pieces, value 18s,, the property of Francis Batt, and George Walls, also a cutler, aged 25, was charged with ...
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Saturday 15 June 1839
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
Leighton Bussard. NAMES OF THE COMMITTEE. Richard Thomas Gilpin, Esq. Thomas Chew. John Grant, Esquire. William Cotchin. Bernard Fountaine. Esquire. Thomas Janes. Robert Bryan, Esquiie. David Lee Willis. W. R. Lawford. Edward Procter. Samuel
Saturday 29 June 1839
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
Shillings and Sixpence per head, Will be provided at the Golden Bell Inn, Three o'clock precisely. Tickets may - be had Mr. John Cotchin, of the Bell Inn
Saturday 16 January 1836
Huntingdon, Bedford & Peterborough Gazette
Huntingdonshire
Town and County News
On Saturday last a man named William Draper, alias William Kearey, a gipsy traveller, was apprehended in Barnwell, by Goldsmith, having in his possession a mare, which is suspected
Saturday 23 January 1836
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
Local Intelligence
really think I have the same description in paper this morning of a mare detained at Cambridge, and man named William Henry alias Draper
Saturday 05 March 1836
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
Local Intelligence
were removed from Aylesbury Gaol on board the Justinia Hulk, Woolwich:—namely, transported for life, George Draper, horse stealing
Saturday 05 March 1836
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
Local Intelligence
Charles Allen, stealing brass; James Morris and John Hootton, stealing woo! ; Thomas Gunn, sheep stealing; William Draper, alias William Kearey, horsestealing
Saturday 28 May 1836
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
Local Intelligence
viz., Henry Hooper, convicted the Lent Assize, 1836, of burglary Daniel Warner, do. of a burglary; William Draper, alias William Kearey, of horse stealing
Saturday 08 November 1834
Bucks Gazette
Buckinghamshire
Inquest.—An inquest was held before W. Walford, Esq , coroner, at the Queen’s Head, on Saturday, the Ist inst., on the body of Riley Smith, whose death was occasioned one of Golby’s Birmingham waggons passing over him, on the preceding fair day (Thursday .)— One witness deposed to seeing several countrymen strike the horses with their sticks, while the waggoner did all in his power to stop them. Verdict, Accidental death.
Saturday 03 March 1832
Bucks Gazette
Buckinghamshire
Samuel Kempster, was charged with haring stolen one piece of wood, the property of John warley. John Warley said—l live at Hyde Heath, and ...
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Saturday 08 January 1831
Bucks Gazette
Buckinghamshire
BUCKS SPECIAL COMMISSION. The f ollowing is the calendar of the prisoners in our county gaol, for felonies and misdemeanours, who are take their trials at the .Session of Oyer and Special Gaul Delivery, to holden at Aylesbury, Monday the 10th day January, 1831, before the Honourable Sir James Allan Park, Kuiylit, one of the Judges of His Majesty’s Court of Common Fleas, the the Honourable Sir Win. Holland, Knight, one of the Barons of His Majesty’s Court of chequer, and the Honourable Sir John Fatteson, knight, one of the Judges of His Majesty’s Court of King’s Bench. Joseph Fowler, committed the 27th November, by the Rev. C. U. Ashfield, W. Esq., J. Lee, Esq. L.L.D., and H. Ludgate, Esq., charged., with having on the ‘26th November, at the parish of Wycombe, riotously assembled and demolished the paper-machine of Zachary Allnutt. George Showier, Win. Scotchings, Win. Dewberry, John Monk, John Rolfe, James Miller, Daniel Gostclow, Richard Scotchings, Joseph Dewberry, George Carter, Thos. Hughes, John Scotchings, James Kirby, Goorge Kirby, Daniels, jun., Richard Mott, John Stanley, Win. Kirby, JosephC’arter.JohaMiller, John Wales, Robert Thos. Matthews, and David Redhead, on the 30th November, R. Ludgatc, Esq., W. Rickford, Esq.,and the Rev. C. R. Ashheld, charged with having on November, at the parish of Stone, with destroyed a thrashing-machine, value £5., of the goods of John Farmborough
Saturday 05 December 1829
Bucks Gazette
Buckinghamshire
INSOLVENT DEBTORS COURT. Aylesbury
John Fisher, on the same day, convicted of leaving his family : one month.—Daniel Kempster, on the same day, convicted of poaching: six months
Saturday 21 October 1826
Windsor and Eton Express
Berkshire
Their names are Thomas Walker, his wife, and Moses Draper. They are gipsies, and go about from fair to fair. The account they gave of themselves before Mr. Caldwell was this i Thomas Walker said ...
Saturday 15 March 1823
Oxford Journal
Oxfordshire
HERTFORD ASSIZES
Saturday, the trials being disposed of, the following convicts received sentence of death Thomas Hoskins and Hezekiah Draper, for horse stealing; William Paine and John Todd, for burglary ; Thomas Clapham, for highway robbery
Saturday 22 March 1823
Norwich Mercury
Norfolk
PRISONERS
— Death. J. Osborn and G, Cole, for uittering base money. T Cooper, alias Draper, and T. Smith, alias Johnson, for horse stealing—Guilty. Death
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Thursday 23 May 1822
Morning Advertiser
London
Horse-stealing. —Yesterday, Joseph Smith and John Draper, two gypsies, were brought up charged with stealing two horses from the premises of Messrs. Thomas Seager and Dorset, residing at Mill-hill
Monday 15 October 1781
Reading Mercury
Berkshire
Lazerus Draper and Sarah Draper, for a highway robbery in Oxfordshire
Saturday 09 February 1782
Kentish Gazette
Kent
Likewise were committed to the house of corretion, as rogues and vagabonds, George Draper his wife, Lorana Draper, Ann Draper, Damon Draper, Martha Draper, and Draper. The above persons are Gypsies, all one family, and have long been a terror to the neighbourhood
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Gipsies Roll of Honour
World War One
28 July 1914 – 11 November 1918.
Thomas Cunningham
Mathew Cunningham
John Jack Cunningham VC
Ambrose Bacon
Charles Bacon
Samuel Brazil
Sidney Harris MM
Abraham Keat
David Keet
Benjamin Lee
Abraham Ripley
Abraham Ripley
Alfred Riley Scamp
Samuel Scamp
Riley Scamp
Silvester Gordon Boswell
John Cole
William Smith
Alfred Scamp East Kent Regiment L/8117 Pte
Charles Scamp East Kent Regiment 2960 Pte
Gilderoy Scamp East Kent Regiment 204082
Solomon Scamp East Kent Regiment SR/10386
W R Scamp East Kent Regiment 204080 Pte
Henry Deacon
John Wiltshire - Northumberland Fusiliers 3/10068-Rank-Private
Kisby Draper Private West Yorkshire Regiment, service number 52039.
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if you look at these reports from the very hard research of the people who have in the past already trod this road, well read the few links and you will see some old research, i now will show you some connecting records, lots may be wrong, it is all apart of the big picture though
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=729676.msg5743928#msg5743928
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=132544.0
https://www.GenesReunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1354624
1851
William Draper age 48, born Moulsoe Beds ; Labourer
wife Mary Draper age 46 born Ridgmont, Beds
son William Draper age 18 born Newport Pagnell, Bucks ; Labourer
son Kirby Draper age 17 born Aspley Guise, Beds ; Labourer
son Alexander Draper age 13 born Westrom, Kent ; Labourer
grandson William Rainbow age 8 born Aspley Guise Beds
William Draper age 48, born Moulsoe Beds ; Labourer
wife Mary Draper age 46 born Ridgmont, Beds
son William Draper age 18 born Newport Pagnell, Bucks ; Labourer
son Kirby Draper age 17 born Aspley Guise, Beds ; Labourer
son Alexander Draper age 13 born Westrom, Kent ; Labourer
grandson William Rainbow age 8 born Aspley Guise Beds
John Rainbow age 46 born Yardley Hastings, Northants ; General Dealer
wife Eleanor Rainbow age 27 born Ridgmont, Beds
Judith age 18 born Yardley Hastings ; Lacemaker
James age 7 born Sherington, Bucks
Spencer age 4 born Stoke, Kent
Mary Ann age 2 born Bow Brickhill, Bucks
1861 census:
Kisbee Draper, 24, b. Breckhill, Bucks, Lodger Head, Leighton Buzzard
Ann Baines, 23, b. Leighton Buzzard, Beds, Housekeeper, Leighton Buzzard
Charles Baines, 2, b. Leighton Buzzard, Beds, Housekeeper Son, Leighton Buzzard
Ann S Baines, 1, b. Leighton Buzzard, Beds, Housekeeper Daur, Leighton Buzzard
1871 census:
Kisby Cotching, 55, b. Bedcks, Woburn Lands, Head, Leighton Buzzard
Ann Cotching, 33, b. Leighton Buzzard, Beds, Wife, Leighton Buzzard
Charles Cotching, 12, b. Leighton Buzzard, Beds, Son, Leighton Buzzard
Ann Cotching, 10, b. Leighton Buzzard, Beds, Daughter, Leighton Buzzard
Elizabeth Cotching, 8, b. Leighton Buzzard, Beds, Daughter, Leighton Buzzard
William Cotching, 6, b. Leighton Buzzard, Beds, Son, Leighton Buzzard
Maria Cotching, 4, b. Leighton Buzzard, Beds, Daughter, Leighton Buzzard
John Cotching, 2, b. Leighton Buzzard, Beds, Son, Leighton Buzzard
1881 census:
Kisby Cotchin, 44, b. Woburn Sands, Beds, Head, Leighton Buzzard
Ann Cotchin, 43, b. Leighton Buzzard, Beds, Wife, Leighton Buzzard
William Cotchin, 16, b. Leighton Buzzard, Beds, Son, Leighton Buzzard
Mary Cotchin, 14, b. Leighton Buzzard, Beds, Daughter, Leighton Buzzard
John Cotchin, 12, b. Leighton Buzzard, Beds, Son, Leighton Buzzard
Darney Cotchin, 8, b. Leighton Buzzard, Beds, Daughter, Leighton Buzzard
Thomas Cotchin, 4, b. Leighton Buzzard, Beds, Son, Leighton Buzzard
Ernest Cotchin, 3, b. Leighton Buzzard, Beds, Son, Leighton Buzzard
Sam Cotchin, 3 months, b. Leighton Buzzard, Beds, Son, Leighton Buzzard
1891 census:
Kisby Scotchings, 60, (Place of birth not given), Head, Leighton Buzzard
Ann Scotchings, 53, b. Leighton Buzzard, Beds, Wife, Leighton Buzzard
Thomas Scotchings, 14, b. Leighton Buzzard, Beds, Son, Leighton Buzzard
Ernest Scotchings, 13, b. Leighton Buzzard, Beds, Son, Leighton Buzzard
William Scotchings, 8, b. Leighton Buzzard, Beds, Son, Leighton Buzzard
(Sam Cotching had died in 1882 q1)
1901 census:
Kisby Colchin, 66, b. Woburn Sands, Bucks, Head, Leighton Buzzard
Ann Colchin, 63, b. Leighton Buzzard, Beds, Wife, Leighton Buzzard
i will put up a few records next of connecting record names, i know this is only for Family and Gipsy Researchers of High Class, you are welcome forever
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Saturday 17 May 1919
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
Sarah Cotchin pleaded not guilty to stealing a quantity of barley
Saturday 02 October 1909
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LEIGHTON BUZZARD
A Till Thief.—A labourer, named William Rainbow, of no fixed abode, was charged on remand with stealing 3s. 6d. from the till of the Black Horse publichouse at Leighton
Saturday 26 December 1908
Ampthill & District News
Bedfordshire
William Cotching, hawker. was summon for having in his possesion a gun and cartridges, when coming from land where had been in search of game
Saturday 25 February 1905
Croydon's Weekly Standard
Buckinghamshire
Spencer Rainbow was summoned for being drunk and disorderly at Sherington, on Feb. 6.
Saturday 23 May 1896
Croydon's Weekly Standard
Buckinghamshire
also EIGHT COTTAGES and Gardens, situated in Water Lane, Gun Lane,. and Church Walk, Sherington, in the occupation of :Spencer Rainbow, Mrs. Muskett. John Simms, and other., at rent. amounting to £33 a year. The property may be viewed upon application to ...
Friday 01 July 1898
Northampton Mercury
Northamptonshire
BEDFORD
—John Rainbow guilty to a charge of drivinig a cart without having a lighted lamp on the 12th
Saturday 05 October 1895
Buckingham Advertiser and Free Press
Buckinghamshire
Thos. Scotchin, John Proctor, Wm. Linney and Geo. Proctor, all hailing from Leighton Buzzard, were summoned for using obscene language at ...
Saturday 15 December 1894
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LEIGHTON BUZZARD
— Dametta Cotchin, single woman, of Leighton Buzzard, had been summoned upon a charge of using obscene language in the pnblic streets
Saturday 22 April 1893
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
NEWPORT PAGNELL
. William Rainbow and David Mobbs pleaded guilty to being drunk at Sherington, on April 1, and fined 2s. 6d. and 9s. 6d. costs each
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Tuesday 23 May 1893
Leighton Buzzard Observer and Linslade Gazette
Bedfordshire
Local Poachers Abroad.— On Wednesday last, in the Newport Pagnell petty sessions John Eggleton, of Leighton Buzzard, and William Finch Baines, of Heath-and-Reach. summoned for having trespassed in search of rabbits on land at Moulsoe, were fined £2 and 12s ...
Friday 29 September 1893
South Bucks Standard
Buckinghamshire
—Kisby Draper said that he was returning home from Amersham fair on Tuesday evening he found deceased lying on the road quite unconscious ...
Saturday 25 July 1891
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
NEWPORT PAGNELL
—Captain Drake, Chief Constable of the county, was also present.— Spencer Rainbow, who did not appear, was charged with being drunk at Sherington, on July 4th, and fined 2s. 6d. and 13s. 6d costs or fourteen ...
Tuesday 08 April 1890
Leighton Buzzard Observer and Linslade Gazette
Bedfordshire
TURNIP-TOP STEALING.
Eliza Baines, Annie Baines, and Jane Betts, young women of Leighton Buzzard, were charged with having stolen a quantity turnip-tops, valued at Is. 6d., the property of Mr. W.CUridge, farmer, of Leighton Buzzard, from a field at Eggington ...
Saturday 23 February 1889
Northampton Mercury
Northamptonshire
YARDLEY HASTINGS
... confined to her bed for weeks, was a staunch member of the Church of England. On the Same Day, Mrs. Sarah Rainbow (widow of the late Mr. John Rainbow) was buried in the parish churchyard at Denton. Deceased was a native of Yardley Hastings, and before her ...
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Tuesday 23 April 1889
Leighton Buzzard Observer and Linslade Gazette
Bedfordshire
RABBITING HEATH-AND-BEACH.
William Finch Baines, Thomas Kempster, and Arthur Baldwin, labourers, of Heath-and-Reach, were charged with having trespassed in search of game on land in the oecupation of Baron de Ville, at Heath-and-Reach, on the 3rd of April ...
Saturday 28 May 1887
Buckingham Advertiser and Free Press
Buckinghamshire
Spencer Rainbow was charged by P.C. Cooper with being drunk and disorderly in the streets of Sherington, on the 11th of the present month ...
Saturday 13 February 1886
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
John Eggleton, Richard Baines, John Cotchin, Charles Pratt, and William Webster, of Leighton Buzzard, labourers, were charged with trespassing for rabbits on land ...
Tuesday 16 February 1886
Leighton Buzzard Observer and Linslade Gazette
Bedfordshire
MORR RABBITING. William Finch Baines and John Sear, labourers, Leighton Buzzard, were charged with having trespassed in search rabbits on land in the occupation of Sir Hanmer, at Heath-and- Reach, on the 10th of January. Baines pleaded guilty ; Sear’s ...
Tuesday 11 March 1884
Leighton Buzzard Observer and Linslade Gazette
Bedfordshire
BAINES V. CALVERT
BAINES V. CALVERT, Mary Ann Baines, domestic servant, of Buzzard, sued William Calvert, of the Bedford Arms Inn, Linslade, to recover 7s. 6d., three weeks’ wages at 2s. 6d. per week. Plaintiff said she went into defendant’s service, upon a weekly agreement ...
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Saturday 18 April 1885
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LEIGHTON BUZZARD
— William Finch Baines and Ephraim Stone, labourers, of Heath-and-Reach, were summoned for trespassing search of conies on land of Sir W. E. Hanmer, Heath-and-Reach, on the 26th March. John Bishop, gamekeeper, proved the charge.—Baines was fined £2, and ...
Tuesday 07 October 1884
Leighton Buzzard Observer and Linslade Gazette
Bedfordshire
CHARGE OF FOWL STEALING
William Finch Baines, labourer, of Leighton Buzzard, was brought up in custody, charged with having stolen three fowls, the property of Mr. T. Atterton, at Leighton Buzzard, on the 18th of May last
Tuesday 20 March 1883
Leighton Buzzard Observer and Linslade Gazette
Bedfordshire
William Finch Baines, labourer, a young man belonging to Heath-and-Reach, was summoned for having damaged the front door of the King’s Arms lnn, North Street, Leighton Buzzard, the property William James, the of February, the ...
Saturday 31 March 1883
Oxford Journal
Oxfordshire
OXFORD CITY POLICE COURT, TUESDAY
... RIOTOUS.-John Rainbow, hawker, of the or Lamb and Flag Yard, St. Thomas's, pleaded guilty to being drunk and riotous in Castle-street and was sentenced to 14 days' hard labour
Tuesday 31 July 1883
Leighton Buzzard Observer and Linslade Gazette
Bedfordshire
SUNDAY MORNING POACHING AND TRESPASSING.
Richard Baines, William Cotchin, Alfred Brandom, Charles Hickinbottom, and John Daniels, labourers, of Leighton Buzzard, were charged for having trespassed in search game on land in the occupation of Mr. W. Claridge ...
Saturday 28 July 1883
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
... the defendants appeared and pleaded guilty. Baines was fined 10s. and Bs. 6d. costs Cotchin and Hickinbottom 5s. each and 8s. 6d. costs ; Brandom and Daniels 2s. 6d. each and 8s. 6d. costs ; Baines, Cotchin, and Hickinbottom were committed in default ...
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Saturday 21 July 1883
Oxford Journal
Oxfordshire
John Rainbow, hawker, St. Thomas's, was fined 6s. and 4 3s. 6d. costs, for being drunk and fighting in the Corn Market. street on Tuesday
Tuesday 02 May 1882
Leighton Buzzard Observer and Linslade Gazette
Bedfordshire
DRUNKENNESS. William Finch Baines, labourer, of Heath-and- Reach (the defendant in the above case) was also charged with having been drunk on the highway, at Heath-and-Reach, on the 18th of April. Police constable Cook stated that, half-past seven in ...
Saturday 10 June 1882
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
NEWPORT PAGNELL
William Facey was charged with being drunk on licensed premises—the White Hart Inn, Sherington, on the 22nd May, and fined 55., and 13s. 6d. costs ; or seven days.— Spencer Rainbow was also charged with being drunk the same time and place, and fined 55., and 13s. 6d. costs ; or seven days
Saturday 12 February 1881
Croydon's Weekly Standard
Buckinghamshire
he was in company with Spencer Rainbow going for breakfast, about a quarter to nine o'clock. they were going along and they saw Rainbow pick up a hare and put it into his pocket.—By Inspector Yoore.—Rainbow was with him the whole ...
Tuesday 21 June 1881
Leighton Buzzard Observer and Linslade Gazette
Bedfordshire
FAMILY FEUD
Mary Baines had been in company with William and Elizabeth Stevens when Amos Stevens and his wife met them. Martha began clapping her hands in the face of William, who said he did not wish to have any words. Martha Stevens struck William Stevens in ...
Tuesday 20 September 1881
Leighton Buzzard Observer and Linslade Gazette
Bedfordshire
SUNDAY DEPREDATIONS. —ORGANISED ATTACK ON KEEPERS. William Baines, labourer, of Heath-and-Reach; William Cosby, and dealer, Thomas Williams and and William Meacham, labourers, of Leighton Buzzard, were severally charged, on summons, with ...
Saturday 03 December 1881
Oxford Journal
Oxfordshire
OXFORD CITY POLICE COURT, TUESDAY
Henry Rainbow, hawker was charged with receiving a portion knowing to have been stolen. - Remanded
Wednesday 14 December 1881
Oxfordshire Weekly News
Oxfordshire
THE OXFORDSHIRE WEEKLY NEWS, WEDNESDAY, DECEIT HER 14, 1881
and John Henry Rainbow, hawker, of no fixed home, was charged with having received a portion well-knowing it to have been stolen.—This case was adjourned from last week, and Mr. Dudley now appeared todefend rainbow.—The prosecutor. examined ...
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Saturday 22 May 1880
Northampton Mercury
Northamptonshire
BOROUGH PETTY SESSIONS
Bell Case. —John Rainbow, Spring-lane, was summoned for being found on the licensed premises of William Blamire, ou the Bth inst.—The Chief Constable stated that the defendant gave the name of John Williams, Cyrilstreet —Defendant ...
Tuesday 07 September 1880
Leighton Buzzard Observer and Linslade Gazette
Bedfordshire
LEIGHTON BUZZABD
On Monday (yesterday) morning a man named Charles Baines, labourer, of Leighton Buxzard, was taken before Theodore Harris, Esq., at the magistrates’ clerk’s office, charged with stealing
Saturday 11 September 1880
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
Singular Charge of Robbery. —On Monday last a man named Charles Baines, labourer, of Leighton Buzzard, was taken before Theodore Harris, Esq., at the magistrates' clerk's office, charged with ...
Tuesday 04 February 1879
Leighton Buzzard Observer and Linslade Gazette
Bedfordshire
The names of the prisoners were William Rolls, George Rolls, Thomas Baines, William Durrant, Frederick Smith, and Thomas Read. Their depredations had been mixed together that will best ...
Saturday 01 November 1879
Bedfordshire Mercury
Bedfordshire
DAMAGE A WOOD. William Baines, labourer, Leighton; Henry Judge, labourer, of Woburn; John Gibbons, labourer, of Heath-and-Reach. Richard Kenny, labourer, of Heath-and Reach ; and John Rolls, labourer, of the same place, were severally charged with damaging ...
Saturday 26 January 1878
Buckingham Express
Buckinghamshire
LEIGHTON BUZZARD
—Robert Tapsall, labourer, of Leighton Baszaad, was apprehended on Tuesday last, Charles Baines also of Leighton, charged with stealing sevenpence from John Battams, labourers pocket, at the Plume of Feathers Inn
Saturday 14 September 1878
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LEIGHTON BUZZARD
Assault.— Charles Baines, a labourer, of Leighton, was charged with assaulting Mr. Ashby on the same day.—lt appeared that when the prosecutor ...
Wednesday 31 October 1877
Oxfordshire Weekly News
Oxfordshire
LOCAL INTELLIGENCE
LARCENY.—Thomas Rainbow, of Shipton-under-Wehwood, hawker, was taken before the Rev. W. E. D. Carter, on Monday last, and remanded until today (Wednesday) on a charge ...
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Tuesday 18 January 1876
Leighton Buzzard Observer and Linslade Gazette
Bedfordshire
LEIGHTON BUZZARD
—Thomas Baines, Amos Stevens, and Martha Stevens were snmmooed for having committed breach of the peace, by fighting together, at Leighton Buzzard, on the 26th of December. Baines did not appear ; the other two defendants ...
Saturday 22 January 1876
Luton Times and Advertiser
Bedfordshire
Petty Sessions Last.— Thomas Bains, Amos Stevens, were summoned for Having committed a beach of peace, by fighgting together, at Leignton, Bains did not appear
Saturday 29 April 1876
Croydon's Weekly Standard
Buckinghamshire
LOCAL INTELLIGENCE. NEWPORT PAGNELL PETTY SESSIONS,
Spencer Rainbow was charged with committing a game trespass, in the parish of Lathbury, on the 19th of April. Defendant pleaded not guilty ...
Saturday 12 September 1874
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LOCAL INTELLIGENCE
Gaming.—A fine of Is., and 9s. 9d. costs, was inflicted on each of two youths, Jeremiah Cooper and Kisby Draper, of the age of 17 and lb respectively, for gaming on the highway, on Sunday week last.—An alternative of 14 days
Saturday 28 September 1872
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
For Trial at the Sessions. —Thomas Rainbow, assault with intent
Saturday 12 October 1872
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LOCAL INTELLIGENCE
Thomas Rainbow, 55, labourer, charged with assaulting Sarah Ann Stones
Saturday 18 March 1871
Buckingham Advertiser and Free Press
Buckinghamshire
STEALING FOWLS. Spencer Rainbow, 22, labourer, was charged with breaking and entering a building, the dwelling-house of Ellen Horton, at Sherrington, and stealing two fowls, the property of the said Ellen Horton. Sentenced to two ...
Saturday 15 January 1870
Buckinghamshire
Aaron Parrott, Spencer Rainbow, and Joseph Proctor, were charged with information of William Reeve, gamekeeper, with trespassing after rabbits at Chicheley ...
Saturday 22 January 1870
Bucks Chronicle and Bucks Gazette
Buckinghamshire
... fourteen days; William Duukley, stealing a gun, seven days; Charles Williams, destroying his own clothes, one month; Spencer Rainbow, tresspass, twenty-one days; George Saunders, stealing swede turnips, two months; George Burnes, vagrancy, twenty-one days ...
Saturday 29 January 1870
Buckingham Express
Buckinghamshire
—Aaron Parrott, Spencer Rainbow and Joseph Procter, were charged with trespassing on land in the occupation of Major Chester, at Chicheley, on the 9th of January, in search of conies.—Aaron Parrott and Spencer Rainbow did not appear
Friday 29 April 1870
Bicester Herald
Oxfordshire
... be saw the defendant is company with Spencer Rainbow, go into a field occupied by Mr. Joseph Field, and when there he took a gun from his pocket and shot a hare. Witness was 100 yards from them when SpencerRainbow picked the hare up.—Mr. Field stated ...
Wednesday 25 May 1870
Oxfordshire Telegraph
Oxfordshire
Aaron Parrott and Spencer Rainbow, who were summoned for poaching and threatining the life of the keeper at Sherington
Saturday 06 August 1870
Oxford Journal
Oxfordshire
Thos. Rainbow, of Milton-under-Wychwood, labourer, is. was charged by Mr. Geo. Bayliss, district surveyor, with allowing an ass to stray ...
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Saturday 08 October 1870
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
NEWPORT PAGNELL
GAME CASES. Spencer Rainbow and James Elliott were charged with trespassing in pursuit of conies, on land in the occupation of Mr. F. J. Field, at Sherington, on the 22nd of September. Spencer Rainbow did not appear
Tuesday 15 November 1870
Leighton Buzzard Observer and Linslade Gazette
Bedfordshire
Thomas Baines, a labourer, of Leighton, was charged with having, the 22nd ult, been drunk and riotous at Leighton Buzzard. The defendant pleaded guilty. It appeared from the evidence that Baines was drunk and noisy at North Street ...
Wednesday 03 November 1869
Oxfordshire Telegraph
Oxfordshire
Spencer Rainbow. of Sherington, were charged with being drunk and disordetly as the White..
Saturday 16 January 1864
Bedfordshire Mercury
Bedfordshire
—Kisby Draper, for throe months, (and to find sureties for twelve months) for night poaching, at Heath and Reach, on the 6th December
Saturday 16 January 1864
Bedfordshire Times and Independent
Bedfordshire
EVERTON
PETTY SESSIONS, January 12. Present : Col. R. T. Gilpin, M.P. ; Major W. E. Hanmer, and Rev. G. E. Whyley. Night Poaching. —Kisby Draper was brought up in custody on a charge of entering a wood, at Heath and Reach, with two other men, armed with guns
Saturday 02 July 1864
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
Uhauthenticated Notices of Births, Marriages, and Deaths Marriage
MARRIAGES. Cotchtng—Briggs.—On the 26th ult, Leighton Buzzard, by the Rev. T. W. Richards, Kisby Cotching, of North-street, to Sarah Briggs, both of Leighton
Saturday 17 October 1863
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LOCAL INTELLIGENCE
Stealng Eggs.— John Rainbow, was convicted for stealing 10 hens eggs, on the 27th September
Saturday 26 December 1863
Croydon's Weekly Standard
Buckinghamshire
And Spencer Rainbow charged with trespassing for game at Sherington
Friday 31 January 1862
Bicester Herald
Oxfordshire
TRESSPSS FOR RABBITS .— Abel Parrott, for a trespass after rabbits, at Chicheley, on 17th January
Saturday 11 May 1861
Bucks Chronicle and Bucks Gazette
Buckinghamshire
LEIGHTON BUZZARD,
fanny Cotching, aged 13, was charged with stealing a silk handkerchief
Saturday 29 December 1860
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
Spencer Rainbow, a lad about twelve years of age, pleaded guilty to a charge of setting a snare for game, at Sherington, on the 10th inst ...
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Saturday 17 January 1824
Northampton Mercury
Northamptonshire
WEEKLY CALENDAR
Joseph Underwood and John Rainbow, each for three months, for using a gun on Sunday week destroy game, at Hastings, and severally refusing pay the penalty ...
Saturday 18 August 1821
Northampton Mercury
Northamptonshire
TWO MESSUAGES or COTTAGES, in the Tenures Thos. Valentine and John Rainbow, with Garden and Yard adjoining each, near a Lane, called Greens
Monday 31 July 1775
Northampton Mercury
Northamptonshire
John Rainbow-, for Burglary and Robbery in the Shop of Knight, of Brampton, sentenced to be transported for seven Years
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now i will show you some connecting connecting storys, read how the names show up together in different articles, a few may be related in some way
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Tuesday 18 May 1880
Leighton Buzzard Observer and Linslade Gazette
Bedfordshire
COUNTY COURTS IN MAY
— William Baines, labourer, of Heath-and-Reach, was charged with having created a breach of the peace
Tuesday 01 June 1880
Leighton Buzzard Observer and Linslade Gazette
Bedfordshire, England
CHARGE OF BREACH OF THE PEACE.
William Baines, labourer, of Heath-and-Reach, was charged, on a adjourned summons, with having committed a breach of the peace, at Heath and Reach, on the 24th of April. The case had been adjourned from the previous court ...
Tuesday 29 June 1880
Leighton Buzzard Observer and Linslade Gazette
Bedfordshire
Superiutendent Shepherd informed the Bench that two men were present who were willing to become securities for William Baines, convicted at the last session for breach of the peace, and required to find two sureties in £lO each and himself in £2O to keep the peace for three months. In default of anyone coming forward at the time, the prisoner was removed to Bedford gaol. The two men who now offered themselves as sureties were Thomas Baines,father of the prisoner, and Kisby Cotching, both of Leighton. They were accepted and duly bound over....
Tuesday 20 September 1881
Leighton Buzzard Observer and Linslade Gazette
Bedfordshire
CRUELTY TO A DOG. William Baines, labourer, of Leighton Buzzard (one of the defendants in the foregoing case), was charged with cruelly ill-treating a dog, kicking and beating it, and dragging it along the road the neck with a string, at Leighton Buzzard ...
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Saturday 15 October 1887
Buckingham Advertiser and Free Press
Buckinghamshire
WINSLOW
Game Tresspass. —John Eggerton, William Cotchin, Samuel Stevens, and William Stevens, all of Leighton Buzzard, were charged witn Having trespassed in search of game
Saturday 05 March 1887
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
apprehended William Cotchin, known by the surname of Draper and other aliases, at Leighton station, as he was leaving the town, and his home in Leighton ...
Tuesday 18 January 1876
Leighton Buzzard Observer and Linslade Gazette
Bedfordshire
LEIGHTON BUZZARD
—Thomas Baines, Amos Stevens, and Martha Stevens were summoned for having committed breach of the peace, by fighting together, at Leighton Buzzard, on the 26th of December. Baines did not appear ; the other two defendants ...
Saturday 30 July 1898
Gloucester Journal
Gloucestershire
NAILSWORTH
Mary Draper, alias Stephens, gipsy of Forest Green, was summoned at the instance of a relative named Prudence Stephens, of Hampton Fields, for .
Saturday 09 September 1899
Gloucestershire Chronicle
Gloucestershire
NAILS WORTH
Mary Draper, alias Stephens, gipsy, and Rachael Dean, were summoned for being disosderly and refusing to quit the licensed of Tom Clark Beach, on Angust 30th, Dean was discharged, and Draper was fined
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Friday 30 May 1902
Stroud News and Gloucestershire Advertiser
Gloucestershire
WILFUL DAMAGE. William Draper, alias Stevens, late of Rodborough. was summoned for having, on May 7th, went out with the intent to steal a quantity of underwood
Friday 29 October 1869
Bicester Herald
Oxfordshire
BLAGIGUARDS AT STOKE GOLDINGTON.
Abel Parrott, Rauh Parrott, Aaron Parrott, John Parrott, Jacob Line, Henry Line, Spencer Rainbow, James Witey, John Groom and Withet Groom, all of Sherington, were charged with being drunk and disorderly at the White ...
Saturday 15 January 1870
Northampton Mercury
Northamptonshire
NEWPORT PAGNELL
Chicheley.— Aaron Parrott, Spencer Rainbow, and Joseph Procter were chrrged with tresppssing on land in the occupation of Major Chester, at Chicheley, on the 6th of January, in search of conies.—Aaron Parrott and Spencer Rainbow did not appear
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Saturday 05 October 1861
Bucks Chronicle and Bucks Gazette
Buckinghamshire
LEIGHTON BUZZARD
J. Barker, Thos. Smith, G. Parrott. and Kisby Barker were charged with trespassing in pursuit of game at Linslade and Soulbury.—The case against Parrott and Barker was dismissed and the other two were ordered to pay 4s. each
Saturday 16 January 1875
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LEIGHTON BUZZARD
Trespassing in Search of Game. Jas. Barker and Kisby Draper, alias Cotching, two old offenders, were brought up in custody charged with trespassing on land at Heath and Reach, ...
Saturday 31 August 1895
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LEIGHTON BUZZARD
... Buzzard, was charged with threatening smash Elizabeth Kempster, another young woman, whom defendant said lived with her (Cotchin's) brother. The threat appeared to be the result of a quarrel in which horrible language was used, and disgusting recriminations ...
Saturday 29 April 1893
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LEIGHTON BUZZARD
... Quarrelsome Women. Sarah Ann Kempster, Kate Kempster, Doretta Cotchin, Jane Betts, and Elizabeth Betts, young women belonging to the northern region of Leighton Buzzard, of ages varying from eighteen to twenty-two years, were charged with ...
Saturday 02 August 1913
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
Petty Sessions, Tuesday, July 29
Assaulting the Police. William Cotching, dealer, ot Leighton Buzzard, was summoned for assaulting P.C. Dorrington while in the execution his duty at that place July 22nd, Thomas Cotching, labourer, was summoned for obstrucing P-C. Dorrington; and also for assaulting Corporal Matthews; and Thomas Underwood, another labourer, was summoned for helping
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Saturday 25 January 1913
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
William Birch, Ernest Cotching, and Thomas Underwood, labourers, all of Leighton Buzzard, were prosecuted under the Poaching Prevention Act.—P.C Stonebridge ...
Saturday 25 October 1919
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
Dibben was taking the man across the course, and the crowd became hostile. Cotching interfered and called upon the crowd in way to incite them to prevent Draper's arrest. Cotching jumped on the superintendent's back
Saturday 16 August 1919
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
Draper was scouting for him to see where the police were. — William Draper and Ernest Cotchings, both of Leighton Buzzard, were then charged with assaulting the last witness, Supt. Evelyn Dibben, of Newport Pagnell
Saturday 01 November 1919
Buckingham Advertiser and Free Press
Buckinghamshire
Draper, and Cotching. were each sentenceed to three months' imprisonment with hard labour.
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Saturday 02 July 1864
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
Uhauthenticated Notices of Births, Marriages, and Deaths Marriage
MARRIAGES. Cotchtng—Briggs.—On the 26th ult, Leighton Buzzard, by the Rev. T. W. Richards, Kisby Cotching, of North-street, to Sarah Briggs, both of Leighton
Saturday 17 October 1863
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
LOCAL INTELLIGENCE
Stealng Eggs.— John Rainbow, was convicted for stealing 10 hens eggs, on the 27th September
Saturday 26 December 1863
Croydon's Weekly Standard
Buckinghamshire
And Spencer Rainbow charged with trespassing for game at Sherington
Friday 31 January 1862
Bicester Herald
Oxfordshire
TRESSPSS FOR RABBITS .— Abel Parrott, for a trespass after rabbits, at Chicheley, on 17th January
Saturday 11 May 1861
Bucks Chronicle and Bucks Gazette
Buckinghamshire
LEIGHTON BUZZARD,
fanny Cotching, aged 13, was charged with stealing a silk handkerchief
Saturday 29 December 1860
Bucks Herald
Buckinghamshire
Spencer Rainbow, a lad about twelve years of age, pleaded guilty to a charge of setting a snare for game, at Sherington, on the 10th inst ...
Tuesday 07 October 1884
Leighton Buzzard Observer and Linslade Gazette
Bedfordshire
NORTH END LADIES AND THEIR DIFFERENCES. Ann Baines (alias Cotchin), single woman, of Leighton Buzzard, was charged by Mary Ann Pratt, also a single woman, of the same place, with having assaulted ...
Saturday 05 March 1887
Bedfordshire Times and Independent
Bedfordshire
arrested on Monday morning a man named Cotchin, alias Kisbey, alias Baines, upon suspicion
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Gipsies Roll of Honour
World War One
28 July 1914 – 11 November 1918.
Thomas Cunningham
Mathew Cunningham
John Jack Cunningham VC
Ambrose Bacon
Charles Bacon
Samuel Brazil
Sidney Harris MM
Abraham Keat
David Keet
Benjamin Lee
Abraham Ripley
Abraham Ripley
Alfred Riley Scamp
Samuel Scamp
Riley Scamp
Silvester Gordon Boswell
John Cole
William Smith
Alfred Scamp East Kent Regiment L/8117 Pte
Charles Scamp East Kent Regiment 2960 Pte
Gilderoy Scamp East Kent Regiment 204082
Solomon Scamp East Kent Regiment SR/10386
W R Scamp East Kent Regiment 204080 Pte
Henry Deacon
John Wiltshire - Northumberland Fusiliers 3/10068-Rank-Private
Kisby Draper Private West Yorkshire Regiment, service number 52039.
Alias Jack Fletcher
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My relative Alfred Gaskin from Sudbury was enlisted into the Labour Corps in Byker, Newcastle and was killed near Ypres in 1917. I visit his grave every year.
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Alfred Gaskin
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Hi
I have many records of the times of the Gaskins I will put them on later in several pages on this thread, these below are just a few extracts I have been looking at for I am sure that they used different names, only someone like my Pal Richard or Sue could tell you or anyone other the real truth, Richard is the famous writer of these days who knows the old history of Gipsy family's, Sue is just a great writer of high renown and nigh on the best in knowing of things like we talk of here, I just find things and wish to learn intearn I try to help everyone and share everything, there are different types of researchers, people who go flat out to write books and record their findings (RICHARD) then people like (SUE) who has compiled vast amounts of knowledge in several web sites over the yeares, then there is me who knows nothing really and as learned on the hoof, but I try my best to help and share, there is one type last and they are the selfish ones who find and hide and they just collect things like a child's game, lots of times they don't evan say thankyou to the people who may look hard in all sorts of records for them, its true these are the bad ones, truthfully they are ashamed of the Old Peoples and evan make a false history up of them so they in this time look good in their own eyes, anyway just read this below, these extracts, I think there is much to learn about the Gaskins and maybe they used different names, which one came first well you must ask Richard or Sue, maybe I have things wrong and only the name Gaskin is the real one, I will in a week or so put many records on for all the great Gaskins, like all the other family's I respect their Dead, the real truth of WW1 as never been told, I have researched these times now for several yeares and evan read books, I have many many more names to put on plus the real history, everyone counts right from the oldest of the Romany to People from later times as in names, I make no distinction, a Gipsy is a Gipsy, if your not your not, if you are you know it. These two below are just to show you how a name may be used differently
Friday 20 March 1835
Stamford Mercury
Lincolnshire
.. REGISTER WANTED. MINISTERS, CHURCHWARDENS, the Register of THOMAS GASCOIGNE, otherwise styled GASKIN or GASKINE, who have been born in the West Riding of Yorkshire in Cumberland, between the years 1650 and 1700, the Roman Catholic ...
Saturday 16 February 1889
York Herald
Yorkshire
NOTES AND QUERIES
... (55) Date of a Law Trial Wanted.— Could anyone give me the date of the trial which took place between John Cartwright and — Gaskin (or Gascoyne)? It occurred about the years 1834 or 1835 in York. The trial was about some land and money, and John Cartwright ...
Friday 28 July 1916
Diss Express
Norfolk
At Woodbridge on Wednesday, George Gaskin, Saunders Gaskin, and William Gaskin, all gipsies, belonging to Wickham Market, were brought before the Magistrates under the Military Service Act. Each was fined £2, inclusive, and in default distress seven days' imprisonment. They were handed over to the military authorities
Friday 27 October 1911
Shepton Mallet Journal
Somerset
Dowsa Gascoyne, gipsy, was charged on remand with stealing a picture, valued 5s, the property of Sarah Ann Thomas, of Bleadon
Friday 28 October 1904
Cambridge Independent Press
Cambridgeshire
THE SOHAM STABBING AFFRAY. OLD MAN SENT TO PRISON. James Gaskin (60), James Gascoyne, hawker, was indicted for unlawfully and maliciously inflicting upon Robert Attlesey a certain grievous bodily harm
Friday 28 June 1895
Chelmsford Chronicle
Essex
PETTY SESSIONS
CLACTON. 'Louisa Gascoigne, a gipsy, for allowing a horse to stray on the highway at Clacton, was fined 6s. and 9s. 6d. costs
Wednesday 24 March 1897
Kirkintilloch Herald
Dunbartonshire
“KING OF THF GIPSIES DEAD”
William Gascoigne, a well-known Romany who enjoyed the
Saturday 27 March 1897
Norfolk News
Norfolk
A “GIPSY KING'S” FUNERAL
The remains of William Gaskin, the “ King,” who died at the Ipswich and East Suffolk Hospital last Wednesday, were interred at Colchester Cemetery on Monday, there being large members of his tribe. The procession started ...
Saturday 11 January 1879
Norwich Mercury
Norfolk
Plato Gaskin was charged with allowing four hores to stray on the highway on the 3rd inst.
Saturday 03 November 1877
Cambridge Chronicle and Journal
Cambridgshire
Committed for trial at Sessions. Alfred Gascoyne, travelling hawker, for assaulting Robert Nightingale, was fined 10s.,
Friday 25 August 1871
Chelmsford Chronicle
Essex
Wilful Damage.—On Friday last Ruth Gaskin and Louisa Gaskin, two gipsies, were brought before Mr. S. W. Savill, charged with wilfully damaging a fence, the property of Mr. Wm. Brown
Saturday 14 October 1871
Cambridge Independent Press
Cambridgeshire
Ruth Gascoigne, hawker, was brought up by Sergeant Allen, charged upon a warrant with committing an assault upon Betsy Cooke, another hawker, in the Bridge Fair Meadow, at Fletton, on the 4th inst
Saturday 09 January 1869
The Ipswich Journal
Suffolk
PETTY SESSIONS REPORTS
Furious Driving-Plato Gascoyne, also Gaskin, licensed hawker, was charged with driving furiously in ST. Mary's Street, on the 12th November last. Defendant did notappear
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This Roll of Honour is for all the Old People caught up in WW1, the truth as not been told, much went on like Gipsy round ups, many police and soldiers would surround camp sites and raid them, they would take people away to die offten in the war, everyday folks from the towns to were taken from football grounds and pubs, evan picture houses were targeted to find young men to fill the ranks that were left open by the dead soldiers, i will write more later, lots of Gipsy's got intangled in one way or another not just in the low wire of the battle fields, i will do my best to talk for them
Gypsies Roll of Honour
World War One
28 July 1914 – 11 November 1918.
Thomas Cunningham
Mathew Cunningham
John Jack Cunningham VC
Ambrose Bacon
Charles Bacon
Samuel Brazil
Sidney Harris MM
Abraham Keat
David Keet
Benjamin Lee
Abraham Ripley
Abraham Ripley
Alfred Riley Scamp
Samuel Scamp
Riley Scamp
Silvester Gordon Boswell
John Cole
William Smith
Alfred Scamp East Kent Regiment L/8117 Pte
Charles Scamp East Kent Regiment 2960 Pte
Gilderoy Scamp East Kent Regiment 204082
Solomon Scamp East Kent Regiment SR/10386
W R Scamp East Kent Regiment 204080 Pte
Henry Deacon
John Wiltshire - Northumberland Fusiliers 3/10068-Rank-Private
Kisby Draper Private West Yorkshire Regiment, service number 52039.
Alias Jack Fletcher
George Gaskin
Saunders Gaskin
William Gaskin
Alfred Gaskin
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Hi thank you for the enclosed. Made interesting reading.
This picture is Alfie Gaskin originally from Sudbury, enlisted into the army in 1917 at Byker Showground, Newcastle. He was killed outside Ypres.
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I will put many more references up of the Gaskins soon for all their relation's to find and know of them, remember that in most of the written records I leave out much information that will help you, there maybe is more names and clues for you to find, you must sign up to the Newspaper Archives their address is on here many times, it does not cost much yet everything is there, you must signe up and learn of the Genealogy History of your Families, I will write more of the Family's that are connected to the War yeares, I will now write for the Winters these to are only a few records there is more to come at a later time, i know i may get some things wrong, there is always that chance, but the chance i will take
Friday 16 March 1917
Jarrow Express
Durham
To late in choosing.
At Jarrow police court, on Wednesday, john winter, a hawker, was charged with being an
absentee under tire Military Service Act. Detective McGee spoke to arresting the defendant at a house in Stanley Tuesday. Defendant said that he had lost his papers. Defendant said he did not think it necessary to register for he suffered from a bad hand. On being fined 40s and remanded to await an escort he asked if he could have a choice between the Army and the Navy. The Magistrates' Clerk (Mr. B. W. C. said……… “You are too late now”.
Saturday 24 March 1917
Leeds Mercury
Yorkshire
Barnsley, A Gipsy Absentee.—-A youth named Ernest Winter, brought before the magistrates yesterday, denied that he was a deserter from the Army. He said that he was sixteen last July and had never been in the Army. The case had been adjourned for his mother to produce her son’s birth certificate, but she said that she had not obtained this. The youth belongs to a gipsy family and was arrested in a caravan. The Bench handed him over to the military escort.
Saturday 24 March 1917
Sheffield Daily Telegraph
Yorkshire
A gipsy youth, named Ernest Winter, was at yesterday handed over to escort a deserter from a Training Reserve. It appeared that the lad was a van dweller
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Saturday 02 June 1764
Newcastle Chronicle
Northumberland
JOHN WINTER, stout well-made Man, about twenty-nine Years of Age, near five Feet nine Inches high, of a black Complexion, short black Hair, with grey Cut Wig over it, light blue Eyes, black Eye Brows, with a Scar over his Left Eye much wore out, a thin short nose, and rather Out-mouthed; had when committed, an old Blue-grey Coat and Waistcoat, the Coat lined with yellow Shalloon, with large plain Brass Buttons upon it, and plain white Metal Buttons upon the Waistcoat, a Pair of white ham Breeches much worn and clouted, with white Metal Buttons upon them, a Pair of dark grey Woollen Stockings, a blue and white Linen Handkerchief about his Neck, and a Pair of broad rimed brass Buckles, with the Letters C and Y call Within the Rims of each them; says he was born at Alnwick in the County Northumberland, and served his Father there, in the Trade of a Cooper and Basket Maker, and travelled the Country working in the Business; and about eight years ago he enlisted with the Recruiting Party, belonging to the second Division Marines, then lying at Chatham; then he deserted at North-Allerton in the County of York, and was apprehended about three Years ago at Barlow in the County of Durham, but afterwards made his Escape, and never joined that Division,
Saturday 15 February 1783
Newcastle Chronicle
Northumberland
WILLIAM WINTER, 6 Feet high, 23 Years of age dark-brown complexion, round Visage, hazel Eyes, and black Hair born in the Parish of Yettam, in the County of Northumberland, a Tinker ; the fore Finger of his right Hand remarkably large and crooked.
William Winter is now in Containment at Musselburgh, near Edinburgh and in several Circumstances there is strong reason to believe that he has committed some Robbery in the Northern Counties of England, or Borders of Scotland. He has lately deserted from his Service,
Any Information concerning this Man will properly attended to, by lending a Letter to the Commanding Officer of the
South Fencible Regiment of Foot, Musselburgh. He has often changed his Name, and has a Brother now a Deserter from several Regiments, who has from times gone by the Name of Bennet.
Saturday 09 August 1788
Newcastle Courant
Northumberland
On Wednesday John and Robert Winter, father and son, were executed on the Fair Moor, near Morpeth...............
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Saturday 10 September 1791
Newcastle Courant
Northumberland
COUNTY of NORTHUMBERLAND. MURDER and ROBBERY.
William Winter committed to Morpeth gaol, charged on a violent suspicion of robbing and murdering Margaret Crozier,
Saturday 17 September 1791
Newcastle Courant
Northumberland
On Wednesday Inst, Jane Clark, alias Douglas, the elder, Jane Clark, alias Douglas, the younger, Eleanor Clark, alias Douglas, and Matthew Clark, alias Douglas, were committed to Morpeth gaol, charged with breaking into the house, and murdering Margaret Crozier, late of the Raw, in the parish of Elsdon, in company with William Winter……….
Saturday 04 August 1792
Newcastle Courant
Northumberland
William Winter Jane Clark, the elder and the younger Eleanor clarke charged with murder and theft
Monday 13 August 1792
Leeds Intelligencer
Yorkshire
William Winter. Jane Clarke, and Eleanor Clarke, two sisters, were executed on Friday morning at Newcastle-upon- Tyne, for the murder of Margaret Crozier, of the Raw near Elsdon. The girls were taken afterwards and carried to the Surgeons-Hall for identification, and Winter to be hung in chains near the place where the crime was committed.— Winter acknowledge the justification of his sentence but the girls denied having been concerned in the murder; the father and brother of Winter were hanged at Morpeth in the year 1790; and such has been the horrid depravity of him, he has not been at liberty for six months together during the last eighteen years.— The trial lasted upwards of sixteen hours.
Thursday 06 August 1903
Southern Reporter
Selkirkshire
Scotland
THE HOME OF THE LATE MEMBER FOR THE BORDER BORGHS.
No collection in Northumberland was more interesting to me than that of Sir George Trevelyan, at Wallington Hall.
The home of the late member for the Border Borghs occupies a delightful situation overlooking the Valley, and surrounded by tall ancestral trees. Wallington is about thirteen miles from Morpeth, but as i approached from the grand village of Elsdon, there i past the gibbet on which hung the remains of Willie Winter, gipsy who was hanged for the murder of Margaret Crazier in 1791. strange that the memory of this deed should be so fresh to-day; the body was decayed piecemeal, but a wooden model of the head, which said to bear some resemblanoe to him, still hangs there. I can vouch for an eerie feeling passing the Steng Cross, it is called, in the twilight. It is one of the most desolate places you can imagine.
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Wednesday 28 October 1812
Bury and Norwich Post
Suffolk
J. Winter, a hawker and pedlar, up on chargers
Wednesday 28 January 1835
Derby Mercury
Derbyshire
-On the same day, another Inquest was held at the Hare and Hounds, Stone-gravels, on the body of Sarah Winter, aged 31 years, the wife of John Winter gipsy, and travelling dealer in earthen ware, who came by her death under the following awful and melancholy circumstances it appeared at the inquest that the deceased, was with part of her family, together with her husband and another man, they arrived at Whittington Moor on Sunday from Sheffield, and it would seem they had been drinking on the road. On their arrival at the above place they adjourned to a public-house, where they then spent the remainder of the evening In drinking. About ten o'lock, Winter and his wife went to Mr. Walker’s pottery in a slate of intoxication, together with the person who accompanied them, who, with the children, then they went to sleep in the straw shed and the deceased and her husband went into two of the workrooms, each taking a separate one. In the room where the deceased was, there was fire, before which she fell asleep. Between one and two in the morning, a person named Bradshaw, residing near the place, perceived a strong stench, as of something burning, he therefore went to examine the place, and thinking, the workshop was on fire, he called Mr.Walker up, who, with others assistance discovered the body of the deceased, which but a short time before possessed the energies and powers of an able bodied woman in the prime of life, now completely burned to a cinder, there not being a vestige of clothing except a small piece of her stays and a leathern pocket left on the body. We understand the deceased has left a family of eight children. The jury returned a verdict of accidental death.
Friday 29 March 1867
Stamford Mercury
Lincolnshire
John Elliott and John Winter, gipsy horse dealers, were charged by sergeant bones with being drunk and refusing to quit the Leeds Arms public-house.
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Friday 21 June 1878
Carlisle Journal
Cumberland
FATAL ACCIDENT IN WESTMORLAND.
An inquest was held on Tuesday last, at Drybeck, in Westmorland, on the body of child, ten months old, named Jane Winter. She was the daughter of Thomas Winter, hawker, of Lanchester, Durham. On Saturday Winter and his family were returning from Appleby fair. At Qaredale they took the horse out of the cart, in order to feed it; and in attempting to put the harness on it again, it ran away, and knocked the child out of the arms of a little girl who was nursing her, and trod heavily upon her body, causing such injuries that she died the next day.—A verdict of “Accidental death was returned.
Saturday 22 June 1878
Kendal Mercury
Westmorland
CURIOUS AND FATAL ACCIDENT A HAWKER'S CHILD.
On Tuesday last Mr C. G. Thomson, coroner, conducted an inquest at the Railway Inn, on account of the death of a little child,’ Jane Winter, aged I0 months, daughter of Thomas Winter, who for the past few months had been travelling about the country as a hawker. The child had been knocked down by a horse on the Saturday night previous, and death resulted from the injuries then received, on the Sunday. The particulars of the accident are embodied in the following evidence:— Alice Winter, wife of Thomas Winter, Wellingham, swill maker, deposed —The deceased, June Winter, was my daughter. She was 10 months old on the 3rd this month. We left Wolsingham about four months ago—just travelling here and there and making a living by hawking. Myself and husband and five children and the deceased comprised our family. We had been attending Appleby fair last Wednesday, and left Appleby that day along with a man named Phil Kelly who had a horse and cart. We stayed in Soul Lane on Wednesday night. On Thursday night we stayed near old Abbey between Kirkby Stephen and the Moor Cock. On Friday night we stayed near the Moor Cock, and on Saturday we camped down Qaredale. We camped out each night Between eight and nine o'clock on Saturday night we loosed out the horse and intended remaining there all night when two gentleman came and told us to move forward to a moor near Sedbergh. John Kelly (brother to Phil) went to fetch his horse, and whilst he was putting the saddle and harness on, it slipped away from him and went trotting up the road after another horse. My daughter, Phillis Winter, had deceased in her arms, and the horse ran against her and knocked her down with such force that she let deceased fall out of her arms, and the horse's hind foot trod on the low part of deceased' Body. Daughter Phillis is nine years of age. I ran and picked up deceased. She cried for about 18 minutes, and then i then gave her the breast and she was quiet. Then we went forward, and on Sunday I took deceased to Dr. Swain, who gave deceased a powder, and recommended to foment the body with warm water and warm cloths. I did to. We went forward on Sunday to Blackbeck, in Middleton, and remained there. About 11 o'clock on Sunday morning deceased commenced taking fits, and continued to take them every three or four minutes untill she died about 11 o'clock. Before the fits commenced deceased appeared be going on nicely. no allegations of any carelessness were against John Kelly. The occurrence was quite accidental. Daughter Phillis had her back to the horse when she was knocked down. John Kelly, of Colliery Dykes, in the county of Durham, tinner, deposed.—l have been travelling with last witness's husband and family for a month. About nine o'clock on Saturday night instant i was harnessing my brother's mare, when she turned about just as I was picking up the saddle, and trotted or cantered up the road. Winter's little girl was standing on the
road about fifteen yards from the cart, with deceased in her arms. The mare ran against deceased’s sister and knocked her down, and deceased fell from her arms, and the horse stopped on deceased's body with i think its hind foot. There was nothing that frightened the horse. It is a very old horse, and has the habit of slipping away from you. We did not know that habit then, we only got it at Appleby fair. The jury returned verdict of ‘‘Accidental death.”
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Friday 18 November 1881
Stamford Mercury
Lincolnshire
Elias Pearce, of Louth, gipsy, horse dealer, and Elizabeth Pearce alias Betsy Winter, were each fined for being disorderly and refusing to quit licensed premises at Caistor on the 16th Oct.; Elias Pearce was also fined
Friday 06 August 1886
Lincolnshire Chronicle
Lincolnshire
Richard Winter, travelling horse dealer, pleaded guilty to a charge of allowing 16 animals (horses and ponies) to stray on the highway leading from Market Rasen to South Kelsey
Wednesday 07 November 1888
Sheffield Independent
Yorkshire
Fracas among Gipsies.—At yesterday, Brown and Richard Winter, gipsy horse dealers, were charged with obstructing the highway on the 12th October. From the evidence given it appeared that the two defendants and a number of other gipsies quarrelled
Friday 02 October 1896
Stamford Mercury
Lincolnshire
hezekiah Brown, travelling horse dealer,charged for fighting at Brigg Sept. and fined. Harriet Winters, Wrawby, for having at Brigg assaulted Aaron Pearce, horse dealer, of Yaddlethorpe, fined
Wednesday 24 August 1898
Northwich Guardian
Cheshire
On Monday, at Northwich Police court. before Messrs Clough and Weston, two gipsies, named Robert Winter and Maria Winter, were charged under warrant with assaulting another of the same, fraternity, Friday night At the outset prosecutrix expressed her will to withdraw the case, the parties were willing to pay the expenses. On the facts being asked for, however, she stated that about 10.30 Friday night, when going to her van. The man struck her with his fist. Knocked her down, and kicked her. The woman came later, struck her in the face and discoloured her eye. She was pulled into a neighbour’s house —Mrs. Southern and Thomas Burgess. Cumberland. Street. In answer to the charge the male prisoner denied ever touching the woman, it was contended that the parties were drinking together, and that after leaving the house Rogers made a serious accusation to the character of Maria Winter —The Bench expressed regret to being troubled with such a drunken brawl. The woman would be fined l0s and costs, and bound over to be of good behaviour, in the recognisances in each case of £3. And surety of a like amount. .
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Monday 16 June 1902
Nottingham Evening Post
Nottinghamshire
GIPSY GIRL S DEATH.
Jane Winters, aged 17. One a tribe of gipsies, now stopping at Bradford died at the Infirmary on Saturday from the effects of poison. How she came by the poison nobody at present knows, and the matter is being inquired into by the police. It is said her father called her on Saturday morning, and receiving no answer, he then went into her compartment of the van, there he found her unconscious, and had her once conveyed to the infirmary. a bottle has since been found which had contained Laudanum
Tuesday 17 June 1902
Leeds Mercury
Yorkshire
THE GIPSY GIRL’S DEATH The death of Mary Winters (17). one of a family living in a caravan now at Undercliffe, Bradford, was inquired into by the Bradford City Coroner yesterday. She was found in bed unconscious in Bradford on Saturday morning, and taken to the Infirmary, where she expired later in the day. The evidence given showed that on Friday night she went inta shop in Otley-road and showed the assistant a bottle. The label stated Laudanum— Poison. Medicine use- “Narcotic and soothing” The assistant told the girl to be very careful with it, as it was deadly poison, and the girl went away. It was also shown that the girl had obtained the poison of John Calvert, chemist, in Idle-road, stating it was for her mother; and Dr. Hirst, of the Infirmary, said she must have taken a large doze of it. The friends of the deceased did not know why she should have taken the laudanum, and the jury returned a verdict that death was due to poison, self-administered, but that there was no evidence to show the state of the mind of the deceased when she took it
Tuesday 17 June 1902
Hull Daily Mail
Yorkshire
A GIPSY GIRL'S SUICIDE. On Monday an inquest was held on Mary Winter (17), a travelling gipsy, who died from the effects of laudanum poisoning, self-administered- The deceased was with her parents encamped in a caravan at Undercliffe, and whilst out hawking ...
She told her sister she was going to die. The jury returned verdict of death from laudanum poisoning, but there was not sufficient evidence to show the state of her mind
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Friday 21 July 1905
Coventry Herald
Warwickshire
William Winter, hawker, of no fixed abode, pleaded guilty to lodging under a haystack in a field near the Road.
Wednesday 20 March 1907
Dundee Evening Telegraph
Angus
Scotland
MADAME WINTER, Gipsy Palmist. —Your Past, Present. And Future. Foretold from the Hand.
Tuesday 13 August 1912
Derby Daily Telegraph
Derbyshire
GYPSIES IN THE DOCK.
PRISON AND FINES FOR ATTACK ON KENTISH FARMER.
Five of the party of gypsies who brutally attacked Frederick Jackman. of Hasted Farm, Lingfield, were charged with assault at oxton on Monday Their names were : Edward Winter, Thomas Winter. Elizabeth Winter, Susan Winter, and Sarah Ann Clark. Prosecutor, whose head and face were cut and bruised, said he met prisoners and others in one of his fields gathering mushrooms. He ordered them to throw the mushrooms away and leave his farm, but they refused, and Edward Winter and a man not in custody attacked him. Edward Winter threw at him, and the women with hop poles belaboured him about the head. He managed to get to the top of the field, where prisoners were joined by others, and the attack was renewed. They formed a ring round him and he was struck from all quarters. He was knocked to the ground, and amid shrieks of ' Boot him, kill him, he was kicked and struck about the body. Some of the other farm hands came to his assistance, and the party ran away. Police-sergeant Nash pursued them in a motor car lent by Mr R. E. Thompson, Edenbridge, and with assistance arrested prisoners. Edward Winter was sentenced to a month's inprisonment. and the others were fined 10s. each.
Tuesday 13 August 1912
Daily Herald
London
Attack on a farmer, Mr. Frederick Jackman, was investigated at the Oxton Bench yesterday. The prisoners were Edward Winter and Thomas Winter (father and son), Susan Winter and Elizabeth Winter (daughters of Edward). and Ann Clarke.
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Wednesday 26 July 1916
Perthshire Advertiser
Perthshire
Scotland
DUNKELD. MOTOR AND CARAVAN COLLIDE.—A sequel to a recent motor accident near Ballinhoig was heard in Perth Sheriff Court on Saturday, when William Sheriff, motor lorry driver, Dunkeld, denied having, on 8th July, on the road between Pitlochry and Ballinhoig Driving a motor lorry, which collided with a caravan driven by Albert Edward Winter, whereby Winter was thrown out of the van and the caravan damaged. The story of the prosecution was that the caravan was approaching Ballinhoig, and a motor car was coming towards it. Winter pulled into the side of the road, and as the car was passing, the motor lorry struck the caravan. A shaft of the caravan was broken, as well as an axle and two springs, while the horse bolted. Winter was thrown from his seat. The defence was that the driver of the car was to blame in respect that he did not pull up. The Sheriff found the charge proved.
Friday 04 July 1919
Yorkshire Evening Post
Yorkshire
GIPSY WOMAN'S PROMISES OF NEWS OF THE DEAD.
BARNSLEY MAGISTRATES' SENTENCE. Ada Winter (18), a gipsy hawker, was charged at Barnsley to day with stealing, by a trick, sums of money. Two of the charges were gone into last week, when the Bench disagreed. Mrs. March, of Low Valley, said she lent The prisoner money in order that she might bring news of her brother-in-law, who was killed in France, but who the prisoner said, was alive.
Tuesday 03 April 1928
Daily Herald
London
LONG SITTING TO EJECT JUPITER!
Matilda Winter, a gipsy, told her Jupiter must be removed from the stars.
I will sit 12 days and 12 nights for this purpose……………
Saturday 07 April 1928
Fife Free Press, & Kirkcaldy Guardian
Fife
Scotland
Kirkcaldy Farmer Motor Accident. —Mr William Meiklem, the well-known farmer and breeder of Clydesdales, had an alarming experience in a motor smash last week. He was motoring from his home in Kirkcaldy towards Lochgelly, and on the hill between Muttonhall and Ternplehall a collision took place between his motor and car belonging to Mr Albert Winter, showman, returning from Dundee to Kirkcaldy.
Wednesday 26 November 1941
Nottingham Evening Post
Nottinghamshire
Gaol For Hucknall Gipsy
... Hucknall Gipsy charged For stealing £65 from a Hucknall woman with whom he had been staying, William A. Winter) 40, of Laughton crescent, Hucknall, was at the Shire Hall to-day, sent to prison for four months
Ps…Hucknall was the land of the famouse Derbyshire Boswells, i will put more names of the Winters on conserning the War yeares another time with more of their story's for their Relations to find
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Gipsies Roll of Honour
World War One
28 July 1914 – 11 November 1918.
Thomas Cunningham
Mathew Cunningham
John Jack Cunningham VC
Ambrose Bacon
Charles Bacon
Samuel Brazil
Sidney Harris MM
Abraham Keat
David Keet
Benjamin Lee
Abraham Ripley
Abraham Ripley
Alfred Riley Scamp
Samuel Scamp
Riley Scamp
Silvester Gordon Boswell
John Cole
William Smith
Alfred Scamp East Kent Regiment L/8117 Pte
Charles Scamp East Kent Regiment 2960 Pte
Gilderoy Scamp East Kent Regiment 204082
Solomon Scamp East Kent Regiment SR/10386
W R Scamp East Kent Regiment 204080 Pte
Henry Deacon
John Wiltshire - Northumberland Fusiliers 3/10068-Rank-Private
Kisby Draper Private West Yorkshire Regiment, service number 52039.
Alias Jack Fletcher
George Gaskin
Saunders Gaskin
William Gaskin
Alfred Gaskin
john winter
Ernest Winter
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I will be putting everything i find on about the Great Winters maybe next year for it is taking much work, they are a Great Gipsy Family of the Highest renown, a few years back i went to Berlin to try and find out about WW2, i will put the link on about my writing from an earlyer thread on soon, in this day i have just came back from Poland, liston it is grim, from the first worled war that we are researching came soon the second Hitler in WW1 was a decorated soldier with the iron cross, he was evan wounded, i have lots to tell but i have now been researching the Jewish ghettos, Warsaw, and i went to Krakow the old capital of Poland, yesterday i went to outswitch, you do not spell it like that but that's how it sounds to me, its so sad and grim, i love words i travel through their hidden sound, i offten wonder why no one else hear what i hear, anyway this thread about WW1 is connected to WW2, what i have seen, well its just grim let me just put on one link for you to please read through all the storeys, its grim, i could talk forever, but its not right, what happened in the past must be told in the storeys of today, what is Genealogy if only cold census reports are our objective, what about the Peoples, i know lots said the Gipsies of Britain are watered down and not much, just do your research about Genealogy in a right manner, below i will put on just one link, you may have to use you great mind to keep clicking on the other words for you to read what i have just seen these last few days in Poland, this is what i am writing about in all my writings .............. do you know the most evil rotten thing that was ever wrote about the Gipsies is that they never cared about others or they were introverted, lies all that, the Gipsies saw everything, i will not evan tell you no more, Gipsies have love in their Hearts, its just others think such things are a weakness, i will put on this link below, try and go evan onwards, everything in this thread of the times we talk of link up in Genealogy, if some one finds things to had i would just say please put anything on, nothing is sterile, Genealogy lives for the future People we all on Roots Chat must and will speak for the Dead so the Future People can then read through the lies of their scholars in their time, enough thoe just read through this link, i trod the same ground in many of these storeys and seen much, worked much out, its up to you if you want the truth, i know in my heart i speak the truth, its true you know the Gipsy Peoples never hated no one, but they saw them all and i guess in this mad old worled that never counted for much
http://lekcja.auschwitz.org/en_roma_auschwitz/story_html5.html
just click on where it says yes, then click on the excerpts, if not just click on the lot and find things yourself, that Rudolf hoss fellow he was the top Nazi i saw where he had is headmans room in the evil place, after the war they brought him back and hanged the evil thing not high but quite low just near his window and next to a gas chamber, did you know the Great Fine Champions of the Polish Nation after the war got him and wrung is neck in the same place that i talk of, the scaffold is still there, they stretched his neck till his dark rotten eyes popped out, if you have not been go to this sad grim place to learn of the past the Genealogy will come to be truths in Your Own Hearts, i will talk more soon and will talk of the Great Winters, one of the Greatest Gipsies Families that no one will talk of, many Gipsies are not in books for they saw through Gipsy Eyes, work the rest out for youself
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I gather all the information i write about for you all on Roots Chat, i have been looking for several yeares over tens of thousands of records of every type, this is another link to my research i will never stop trying to learn the bigger picture, can any one alive today tell of any scholor alive or dead who spoke up for the Gipsies, not the talk in fantacy books, but the times of when they was getting butured in WW1 or WW2, tell of them old writers who they said new of hedgehogs, and so called rummneys, does anyone know real storys of real truths, what about WW1, what about anything thats real, what about the Census records is there anyone alive who would put their Childrens lives on the line to say the census reports are correct, i will forever try my best to speak for the Great Dead Gipsies, some are a bit, others a bit more, others a bit of a bit, i have no bother of such things
Re: Gipsy Dan Boswell
« Reply #429 on: Monday 03 April 17 17:12 BST (UK) »
helo Kirsty, a good day to you, true I wrote of the Bucklands but was not or never have been researching them, I am truly a rubbish researcher, I just put on things I find for I,m a finder, I did find lots on the Bucklands but I,v thousands of pieces of paper and do not know how to sort the lot out, and I am finishing my writings soon, but if I come across anything in the future I will put it on before I go for good, I have been in Germany these last few days, I have been trying to research the history of the nazis, do you know time and time again people go on about that only the Jews are remembered, well I went to the place in Berlin that remembers the Jews, but while just walking about I also found the Dark Pool of the Gipsies, I was there but yesterday, its a Garden of Remembrance, there are glass panels engraved with the story's of the Gipsies through the thirty's until the dark days of the war, it is next to the Brandenburg Gate which is next to the Reichstag building, which houses the German parliament, a place of much history through out the agers, I hope to put on a few photos soon if the Moderators in their kindness allow me to, of course it as all to do with the bigger picture we must all seek, no matter if you are but the scrag end like me, or a mighty prince of your people, I know you and others will not know the history of these places I talk of but try to research them, try like you do in the same way that you research the census reports, try to research the bigger picture, see how the letters of words come alive, then you hopefully may feel the life's of all the Great Gipsies, then maybe to, one day like me you may also travel across Europe and go to the Garden of the Gipsies next to the Brandenburg Gate, I will help anyone in any way I can, but a researcher I am not, I will put on more about Worksop soon, I was just about to write more but I will leave it now for a while, it will just be normal everyday things, some may be right some may need a more in-depth looking at, for I know I must get much wrong, but my hope is to help Relations who like me look for the answers that guide us
click on this link then click on the photo links on the left hand side, I was standing round that pool yesterday
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Gypsies+Memorial/@52.517498,13.375717,17z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0xeea814221cb81ede!8m2!3d52.5173149!4d13.3760186?hl=en
click on this link for a brief history of the Gate
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiTk97M9IjTAhXkDMAKHbCWC5UQFgg7MAM&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.history.com%2Fnews%2Fbrandenburg-gate-a-brief-history&usg=AFQjCNGRYMAWT77dvh-CehzvdD0XbEW4nw
click on this link for some of the history of the Reichstag building, the Gipsy Dark Pool is between these two famous buildings in a quiet small woodland
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=14&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi746Cw9ojTAhUKI8AKHWTcBtEQFghiMA0&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.german-way.com%2Ftravel-and-tourism%2Fgermany-for-tourists%2Fcity-guides-germany%2Fberlin-and-potsdam%2Fthe-reichstag-in-berlin%2F&usg=AFQjCNGG0lZhyB0AG8bXWGhJFsFDF8irmQ
I took my own photos I will try and put a few on another time when I get them changed from my phone to the computer, they will be of the place of the Jews and the Gipsies
click on below for the place of the Jews
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Memorial+to+the+Murdered+Jews+of+Europe/@52.51693,13.3708568,16z/data=!4m12!1m6!3m5!1s0x0:0xeea814221cb81ede!2sGypsies+Memorial!8m2!3d52.5173149!4d13.3760186!3m4!1s0x0:0x1434a79012ee5bc8!8m2!3d52.5139471!4d13.3787124?hl=en
ps......Yesterday while walking through the camp a Lady told me that there was two types of People who was sent to the camp, one was People like criminals or captured soldiers or polical prisoners, they were sent to the death camps for the reason of the things they did in life, the other type who the nazis rounded up were Peoples like the Jews and the Gipsies, they were sent to the death camps for the reason just of who they were
click on the first link above and then on the top left hand corner is the Dark Pool for the Gipsies i was there a few years back and i was in Poland evan this morning and trying my best to learn of the past, i will never stop trying to learn and share, this road is still being travelled, we will see what we meet, the past is not yet finished, my eyes are not weak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9oQEa-d5rU
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This is part two of three of my research regarding the Winters before during and after WW1, if anyone reads into my finding here and can elaborate more I would welcome your input.
Some years ago maybe ten or more Sue the noted researcher of Gipsy genealogy helped me to learn of the census records, I asked of the wilshers and also in a general way the Winters, I to am like others who claim they are not looking to make contact with far of connections, I am just researching for personal knowledge, the Winters through family oral talk was stated as being related so of course i was interested in such things on a personal level, Sue told me of all the research she had done, how she had worked very hard researching records pre the internet days, listening to her i wondered how a person could be so dedicated to travel round to all those officers that hold the old records and systematically go through them hour after hour, it was what Sue told me though, she spoke of her old notes, she spoke of all her reading, her knowledge, Sue told how no one ever spoke about the Winters or the Wilshers in written records, this did not mean nothing to me as I had not evan thought that there were books out there in the first place, it was only after first starting to research that i discovered things like so-called Gipsy scholars, through my own research now i have come to the conclusion that many Gipsies of the past gave the so-called scholars a wide berth, more that them who would be of the type to go telling them things, in fact i think now most of the written history of Gipsies is wrong, the ones with the pen decided who would be spoke of and indeed how they would be spoke of, through reading many manuscripts and records i believe many Gipsys were missed out of writings for they saw the writers off, I will share I few of the links with you all on rootschat who are interested, there is some good reading for you to learn of genealogy in the written sense.
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This next is an extract, it is just one of many examples from many records that hold clues, it shows you how to look beyond the narrative, beyond records stated, these Gipsies in the story next have the measure of their man, in walking away the writer expresses his thoughts on the encounter, yet like many before and many today the writer is the one who failed, yet it is them who write the story of tomorrow, what of the Gipsies, they saw your man of many questions for what he was, this would have been the true enccounters down through the yeares, the truth lays in the crumbs of history that we in this time get to read now, it is for everyone to say their own peace, many people throughout history have wrote of or had there say in this time and the past about families of Gipsies, many have told of their research and then their thoughts about genealogy, this is now my day, my research, The Bluetts in the story below are no different from many Gipsies throughout history, the writer is making a big statement regarding of how he sees things when judging the mind of the Gipsies, he was narrating from a high station of selfworth, many writers and so-called scholars think they have this self rightouse educated knowledge, in truth they hold nothing, narrator's of nonsensical accumulated knowledge that just proves the need for everyone in this time to search for themselves
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https://www.gutenberg.org/files/39665/39665-h/39665-h.htm
BY WALTER SIMSON.
A
HISTORY OF THE GIPSIES:
1866.
extract
At St Boswell’s fair I once inspected a horde of English Gipsies, encamped at the side of a hedge, on the Jedburgh road as it enters St. Boswell’s Green. Their name was Blewett, from the neighbourhood of Darlington. The chief possessed two tents, two large carts laden with earthenware, four horses and mules, and five large dogs. He was attended by two old females and ten young children. One of the women was the mother of fourteen, and the other the mother of fifteen, children. This chief and the two females were the most swarthy and barbarous looking people I ever saw. They had, however, two beautiful children with them, about five years of age, with light flaxen hair, and very fair complexions. The old Gipsy women said they were twins; but they might have been stolen from different parents, for all that, as there was nothing about them that had the slightest resemblance to any one of the horde that claimed them. Apparently much care was taken of them, as they were very cleanly and neatly kept.
This Gipsy potter was a thick-set, stout man, above the middle size. He was dressed in an old dark-blue frock coat, with a profusion of black, greasy hair, which covered the upper part of his broad shoulders. He wore a high-crowned, narrow-brimmed, old hat, with a lock of his black hair hanging down before each ear, in the same manner as the Spanish Gipsies are described by Swinburn. He also wore a pair of old full-topped boots, pressed half way down his legs, and wrinkled about his ankles, like buskins. His visage was remarkably dark and gloomy. He walked up and down the market alone, without speaking to any one, with a peculiar air of independence about him, as he twirled in his hand, in the Gipsy manner, by way of amusement, a strong bludgeon, about three feet long, which he held by the centre. I happened to be speaking to a surgeon in the fair, at the time the Gipsy passed me, when I observed to him that that strange-looking man was a Gipsy; at which the surgeon only laughed, and said he did not believe any such thing. To satisfy him, I followed the Gipsy, at a little distance, till he led me straight to his tents at the Jedburgh road already mentioned.
This Gipsy band had none of their wares unpacked, nor were they selling anything in the market. They were cooking a lamb’s head and pluck, in a pan suspended from a triangle of rods of iron, while beside it lay an abundance of small potatoes, in a wooden dish. The females wore black Gipsy bonnets. The visage of the oldest one was remarkably long, her chin resting on her breast. These three old Gipsies were, altogether, so dark, grim, and outlandish-looking, that they had little or no appearance of being natives of Britain. On enquiring if they were Gipsies, and could speak the language, the oldest female gave me the following answer: “We are potters, and strangers in this land. The people are civil unto us. I say, God bless the people; God bless them all.” She spoke these words in a decided, emphatic, and solemn tone, as if she believed herself possessed of the power to curse or bless at pleasure. On turning my back, to leave them, I observed them burst out a laughing; making merry, as I supposed, at the idea of having deceived me as to the tribe to which they belonged.
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This is a Map of the area that I am researching it is of most importance to study this location, search across the border to yetholm, read the on-line free books that I put links to, try and read all the history of these books, amass as much knowledge as you can, you must read of Scotland, in the books I show you there are many families, all this will help you to formulate what will become to you the truth, you can zoom into the map to see more details, all these locations the Winters traveled
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Northumberland/@55.0290538,-1.5475277,10.47z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x487d857e0c6f64cd:0xbfbaeefce462c499!8m2!3d55.2082542!4d-2.0784138
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http://www.gutenberg.org/files/46015/46015-h/46015-h.htm
THE
GYPSY’S PARSON
HIS EXPERIENCES AND ADVENTURES
BY
The Rev. GEORGE HALL
RECTOR OF RUCKLAND, LINCOLNSHIRE
1915
extract
One day I was exploring the city of Durham, for my early life in Lincoln had imbued me with a love of old architecture, and the nave of Durham minster profoundly gratified my love of the sombre, when, lo, just over the way, I saw a weather-beaten (living-van), and near it was the owner, looking up and down the street as if expecting someone to appear. Crossing the road, I greeted the Gypsy, who turned out to be one of the Winters, a North-Country family to whom has been applied (not without reason) the epithet “wild,” and I remembered how Hoyland, in his Historical Survey of the Gypsies, had written—
“The distinguished Northern poet, Walter Scott, who is Sheriff of Selkirkshire, has in a very obliging manner communicated the following statement—‘ . . . some of the most atrocious families have been extirpated. I allude to the Winters, a Northumberland clan, who, I fancy, are all buried by this time.’”
But Sheriff Scott was wrong.
The Winters had only changed their haunts, and on being driven out of the Border Country had moved southward.
As I stood chatting with Mr. Winter, his handsome wife came up with a hawking-basket on her arm. I shall always remember her in connection with a story she told me.
“One day I was sitting on a bank under a garden hedge. It was a hot day and I was very thirsty. I said aloud, ‘Oh, for a drink of beer.’ Just then a voice came over the hedge, a nice, clear, silvery voice it was, like as if an angel from heaven was a-talking to me—‘You shall have one, my dearie.’ And in a minute or two a kind lady came down with a big jug of beer. How I did bless that lady for her kindness to a poor Gypsy, and I drank the lot. About a month afterwards, I heard of the death of that lady, and I vowed to myself and to the (lady’s spirit) that I would never touch another drop of beer as long as I lived, and I never have done and never will no more.”
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http://www.gutenberg.org/files/29063/29063-h/29063-h.htm
A HISTORICAL SURVEY of the CUSTOMS, HABITS, & PRESENT STATe of The Gypsies; designed to develope The Origin of this Singular People, and to promote The Amelioration of their Condition.
BY JOHN HOYLAND,
1816.
extract
The distinguished northern Poet, Walter Scott, who is Sheriff of Selkirkshire, has in a very obliging manner communicated the following statement:
“A set of people possessing the same erratic habits, and practising the trade of tinkers, are well known in the Borders; and have often fallen under the cognisance of the law. They are often called Gypsies, and pass through the county annually in small bands, with their carts and asses. The men are tinkers, poachers, and thieves upon a small scale. They also sell crockery, deal in old rags, in eggs, in salt, in tobacco and such trifles; and manufacture horn into spoons, I believe most of those who come through Selkirkshire, reside, during winter, in the villages of Sterncliff and Spittal, in Northumberland, and in that of Kirk Yetholm, Roxburghshire.
“Mr. Smith, the respectable Baillie of Kelso, can give the most complete information concerning those who reside at Kirk Yetholm. Formerly, I believe, they were much more desperate in their conduct than at present. But some of the most atrocious families have been extirpated, I allude particularly to the Winters, a Northumberland clan, who I fancy are all buried by this time.
“Mr. Reddell, Justice of Peace for Roxburghshire, with my assistance and concurrence, cleared this country of the last of them, about eight or nine years ago. They were thorough desperadoes, of the worst class of vagabonds. Those who now travel through this country, give offence chiefly by poaching, and small thefts. They are divided into clans, the principal names being Faa, Baillie, Young, Ruthven, and Gordon.
“All of them are perfectly ignorant of religion, nor do their children receive any education. They marry and cohabit amongst each other, and are held in a sort of horror by the common people.
“I do not conceive them to be the proper Oriental Egyptian race, at least they are much intermingled with our own national out-laws and vagabonds. They are said to keep up a communication with each other through Scotland, and to have some internal government and regulation as to the districts which each family travels.
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This is one of the many records that I have found for my own research then through reading through old books and other researchers words you may then join them up and form the bigger picture, I just put extracts on so you yourself may go on the link and read the more in-depth writings of others, its only right, I could just easily join the thoughts up of others and say that these are my words, I try and show all the writers who have wrote their own words, offten you will see how one record leads back to another older one, often to people just copy mistakes so by presenting and reading as much knowledge as you can find the odds are you will be closer to the real truth
Wednesday 02 May 1838
Globe
London
Crime Families—William Winter's Family. —Winter himself, and one of his sons, were hanged together for murder. Another son committed an offence for which he was sent to the hulks ; and, soon after his release, was concerned in a murder, for which he was hanged. Three of the daughters were convicted of various offences; and the mother was a woman of notoriously bad character. The family was a terror to the neighbourhood; and, according to report, had been for generations. The father, with the woman with whom he cohabited (himself a married man), was hanged for housebreaking. His first wife was a woman of very bad character, and his second wife was transported. One of the sons was a notorious ; thief, and two of the daughters were hanged for murder. Mr. Blake believes that the only member. of his family that turned out well was a girl, who was taken from the father when he was in prison; previously to execution, and brought up apart from her brothers and sisters. The grandfather was once in a lunatic asylum as a madman. The father had a quarrel with one of his sons about the sale of some property, and shot him dead. The mother cohabited with another man, and was one morning found dead with her throat cut. One of the sons (not he already spoken of) had a child by one of his cousins, herself of weak intellect ; and, being under suspicion of having destroyed the child, was arrested. While in prison, however, and before the trial came on, he destroyed himself by cutting his throat. .—Report on the Prisons of Northumberland.
Now on the next page read of how a writer years ago also found this story and then expanded the truth
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https://www.gutenberg.org/files/39665/39665-h/39665-h.htm
A
HISTORY OF THE GIPSIES:
BY WALTER SIMSON.
EDITED, WITH
PREFACE, INTRODUCTION, AND NOTES, AND A DISQUISITION ON THE
PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE OF GIPSYDOM,
BY JAMES SIMSON.
1866.
extract
The crimes of some of the English Gipsies have greatly exceeded those of the Scottish, such as the latter have been.The following details of the history of an English Gipsy family are taken from a report on the prisons in Northumberland. The writer of this report does not appear to have been aware, however, of the family in question being Gipsies, speaking an Oriental language, and that, according to the custom of their tribe, a dexterous theft or robbery is one of the most meritorious actions they can perform.
“Crime in Families. William Winters’ Family.
“William himself, and one of his sons, were hanged together for murder. Another son committed an offence for which he was sent to the hulks, and, soon after his release, was concerned in a murder, for which he was hanged. Three of the daughters were convicted of various offences, and the mother was a woman of notorious bad character. The family was a terror to the neighbourhood, and, according to report, had been so for generations. The father, with a woman with whom he cohabited, (himself a married man,) was hanged for house-breaking. His first wife was a woman of very bad character, and his second wife was transported. One of the sons, a notorious thief, and two of the daughters, were hanged for murder. Mr. Blake believes that the only member of the family that turned out well was a girl, who was taken from the father when he was in prison, previous to execution, and brought up apart from her brothers and sisters. The grandfather was once in a lunatic asylum, as a madman. The father had a quarrel with one of his sons, about the sale of some property, and shot him dead. The mother co-habited with another man, and was one morning found dead, with her throat cut. One of the sons, (not already spoken of,) had a bastard child by one of his cousins, herself of weak intellect, and, being under suspicion of having destroyed the child, was arrested. While in prison, however, and before the trial came on, he destroyed himself by cutting his throat.”
This family, I believe, are the Winters noticed by Sir Walter Scott, in Blackwood’s Magazine, as follows:
“A gang (of Gipsies), of the name of Winters, long inhabited the wastes of Northumberland, and committed many crimes; among others, a murder upon a poor woman, with singular atrocity, for which one of them was hung in chains near Tonpitt, in Reedsdale. The mortal reliques having decayed, the lord of the manor has replaced them by a wooden effigy, and still maintains the gibbet. The remnant of this gang came to Scotland, about fifteen years ago, and assumed the Roxburghshire name of Wintirip, as they found their own something odious. They settled at a cottage within about four miles of Earlston, and became great plagues to the country, until they were secured, after a tight battle, tried before the circuit court at Jedburgh, and banished back to their native country of England. The dalesmen of Reedwater showed great reluctance to receive these returned emigrants. After the Sunday service at a little chapel near Otterbourne, one of the squires rose, and, addressing the congregation, told them they would be accounted no longer Reedsdale men, but Reedsdale women, if they permitted this marked and atrocious family to enter their district. The people answered that they would not permit them to come that way; and the proscribed family, hearing of the unanimous resolution to oppose their passage, went more southernly, by the heads of the Tyne, and I never heard more of them, but I have little doubt they are all hanged. [50]
[50]It is but just to say that this family of Winters is, or at least was, the worst kind of English Gipsies. Their name is a by-word among the race in England. When they say, “It’s a winter morning,” they wish to express something very bad. It is difficult to get them to admit that the Winters belong to the tribe—ED.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=-fQ7AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA54&lpg=PA54&dq=%E2%80%9CA+gang+(of+Gipsies),+of+the+name+of+Winters,+long+inhabited+the+wastes+of+Northumberland&source=bl&ots=QB09C0z4e2&sig=ACfU3U3jgnmUpPe6hESsojqBGHjoTK3kEw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwju8pmLrOfoAhWdQxUIHfyJDRMQ6AEwAnoECAsQNQ
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https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=TGJiAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA250&lpg=PA250&dq=%E2%80%9CA+gang+(of+Gipsies),+of+the+name+of+Winters,+long+inhabited+the+wastes+of+Northumberland&source=bl&ots=GmJyo6ur4F&sig=ACfU3U1Rrz73SV8WcqQHPr9YOxwKs13FxA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwju8pmLrOfoAhWdQxUIHfyJDRMQ6AEwBXoECAsQRA
read all about the Winters in this book above from 1828... the life of james Allen the Northumberland Piper
I will put a few links on next for people to read, this is very important for everyone to know how many storeys about a subject or occurrence hold a great deal of history but I have found that you must read as many storeys about a single happening to be able to learn more of the truth, evan then all or part may be wrong never the less read and research as much as you can, through this way the bigger picture of everything may come into view, one story holds so many accounts yet leaves out other details, by reading several accounts over the years of one story you get to learn much more, see yourself if you can read through these three links below and find how they all hold differences yet by combing them you may then evaluate in a better mind, i am trying my best to research in the right way. to find everything possible about geanology of the people i seak
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https://englandsnortheast.co.uk/redesdale/
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Winter’s Gibbet
An unclassified road from Elsdon to Wallington and Morpeth follows the course of an old straight ‘as an arrow’s flight’ drove road south eastwards, where it passes the site of Steng cross, an old medieval guiding post.
In the vicinity of Steng Cross, near to the roadside is the eerie site of a gibbet or ‘stob’. Known as Winter’s Gibbet, it was from here that the body of a certain William Winter was hung, following his execution at Westgate, Newcastle in 1791. Winter, a gypsy, had been executed for the murder of an old woman…………..
The old woman ran a small drapery store in the neighbourhood, which led Winter to believe she was wealthy.
http://rothbury.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/pdf/around_rothbury(march2014).pdf
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Around about Rothbury
Winters Gibbet
Elsdon is a small village about 12 miles west of Rothbury. And although not strictly speaking part of Coquetdale is near enough to figure in these pages. On August 10th 1792 William Winter, Jane & Eleanor Clark were executed at the Westgate, Newcastle for the murder of………………….
William Gardner had been sentenced to death for the crime of sheep stealing in Northumberland and agreed to be the executioner of Winter and the Clarke sisters. For this service he was reprieved and his sentence reduced to transportation to New South Wales for seven years ………………
whilst the body of William Winter was hung in chains on Whiskershields Common, a few miles south of Elsdon……………………………….
There is a story that a local wag erected a miniature gibbet on the spot with a sign proclaiming that given the current rainfall it would soon grow. Sure enough it is now full size, This new gibbet was dedicated to the late Miss Annie Elliott by the Green Men of Harwood as a small tribute to her "good nature and ebullient humour". Unfortunately that one disappeared also…………………
But who was Winter? William Winter seems to have sprung from Gypsy stock and was the end of a long line of criminals………………..
And the sequel to this sad tale: Raw Pele, the scene of the murder was never again lived in, and the tower became part of the farm buildings, although much changed. The chief witness, a boy called Robert Hindmarsh (sometimes known as Robert Hymers) feared gypsy vengeance and moved out of the area; first to Bywell and then to Aberdeen. He eventually returned to his home, only to die in September 1803 at the age of only twenty-two. Local parish registers, however, indicate that his date of death was 14th November 1800, aged 20……………. Legend has it that Winter was identified by Hindmarsh from the nail patterns on the soles of his boots. But as his deposition stated that Winter remained standing all the time that he was observed by Hindmarsh……………. It should be remembered that this story is shrouded in the mists of time and many legends have grown up around it. The above "facts" have been gleaned from many sources and are open to interpretation. The most reliable source today is Redfern, a retired policemen, who……………………………………
http://www.executedtoday.com/2014/08/10/1792-william-winter-elsdon-moor-gibbet-habitue/
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At the base of the Winters Gibbet sits a stone that was once the base of a Saxon cross that gave Steng Cross its name — an old medieval marker on the road from Elsdon to Wallington and Morpeth.
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In this link below the knowledge as helped me greatly, I have not though found a link to the writing in the stated book Tomlinson's Comprehensive Guide to Northumherland, everything I find is free to read through links yet Tomlinsons one I have not found, the rest of the genealogical story accounts are readable through their original sourse
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=inu.39000005845693
SCOTTISH GYPSIES
UNDER THE STEWARTS
BY
DAVID MACRITCHIE
AUTHOR OF "the GYPSIES OF INDIA," ETC.
EDINBUEGH: DAVID DOUGLAS 1894
extracts
IT is evident, therefore, that the word " tinker " or " tinkler," although often applied to genuine Gypsies, cannot be regarded as actually synonymous with " Gypsy." A similar uncertainty attaches to the word " faw." Under the forms Faw, Faa, and Fall it has figured conspicuously as a Gypsy surname for about four centuries, especially in connection with the Border districts. " In Northumberland," says one writer, " the name has become generic for the whole tribe of travelling tinkers and muggers, who, in that county, are much more frequently called Faas than Gypsies." So much is this the case that Wright, in his Provincial Dictionary, defines " Faw " as signifying " an itinerant tinker, potter &c. ; " and Halliwell, in quoting the Cumberland term of a " Faw-gang," or " a gang of faws," refers to a certain "Francis Heron, King of the Faws who was buried at Jarrow in 1756. " One thing is certain," observes a writer in Wilson's Tales of the Borders " that the name Faa not only was given to individuals whose surname might be Fall, but to the Winters and Clarkes—id genus omne—Gipsy families well known on the Borders……………………………….
…………………………… extracts from Sykes's Local Records (1833) — viz., J. Fall and Margaret, his wife ; William Fall and Jane, his wife These felons were part of the very numerous gangs of Faws who infested the county of Northumberland, and who were incessantly shopbreaking and plundering. Fourteen were advertised as having returned within two years, and were again lurking about Northumberland……………………..
………………….See also E. Mackenzie. History of Newcastle, 1827, vol. i. p. 57. (P. 203)—] 752, July 1 1.—Seven of the gang of Faws, who had been a terror to Rothbury and its neighbourhood, were apprehended, and sent to Morpeth Gaol. Several more were pursued to the mountains ; but could not be come at…………………..
……………………………………(P. 209)—1754, Aug. 24.—A woman named Elizabeth Rochester made her escape from Durham Gaol. She was one of the gang of Faws, or strolling depredators, who infested the northern counties at this period. (P. 213)—1756, Jan. 13.—In the burial register of Jarrow Church under this date, occurs "Francis Heron, king of ye Faws" (Sharpe, Chronicon Mirabile). (P. 261)—1767, Apr. 18. —Richard Clark was executed at York for breaking into a house near Knaresborough. As this man was one of the Faw-gang which so long infested the county of Northumberland ……………………
………………………Tomlinson's Comprehensive Guide to Northumherland, p. 309 : — " One Margaret Crozier was murdered, 29th Aug. 1791, at Haws Pele, 3 miles N. of Elsdon, by William Winter, a desperate character, 'at the instigation and with the assistance of two female faws (vendors of crockery and tinwork) named Jane and Eleanor Clark, who, in their wanderings, had experienced the kindness of Margaret Crozier ………………
………………..Winter is thus described by another writer : — " This man belonged to a family which was one of the worst of a bad gang of faws, itinerant tinkers, who formerly infested this part of Northumberland in considerable numbers, robbing and threatening the small farmers, who would not allow them to lodge in their out-houses, and who did not, either in provisions or money, pay them a kind of black-mail, Winter is described, by the country people who remember him, as a tall, powerful man, of dark complexion, wearing his long black hair hanging about his shoulders, and of a most savage countenance. The appearance of this ruffian in a small village was a signal for the inhabitants to close their doors ; Avhile he, as if proud of the terror which he inspired, would keep walking back and forward, with his arms a-kimbo, on the green." From these various extracts it is evident that the name " Faw " has long been used on the Borders to denote the Gypsy or semi-Gypsy castes, although the people spoken of as " Faws " bore, in a great many cases, such surnames as Winter, Clark, Heron, or Rochester, and only occasionally were actually named " Fall," otherwise " Faw."
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https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Blackwood%27s_Magazine/Volume_1/Issue_2/Notices_Concerning_the_Scottish_Gypsies
1817
extract
"Mr Smith, the respectable Bailie of Kelso, can give the most complete information concerning those who reside at Kirk-Yetholm. Formerly, I believe, they were much more desperate in their conduct than at present. But some of the most atrocious families have been extirpated; I allude particularly to the Winters, a Northumberland clan, who, I fancy, are all buried by this time.
"Mr Riddell, Justice of Peace for Roxburghshire, with my assistance and concurrence, cleared this county of the last of them, about eight or nine years ago. They were thorough desperadoes, of the worst class of vagabonds. Those who now travel through this county give offence chiefly by poaching and small thefts. They are divided into clans, the principal names being Faa, Baillie, Young, Ruthven, and Gordon.
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https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/NBL/Crime
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House of Correction, Newcastle, January 10th. 1782.
THREE PERSONS (Part of a Gang of Thieves) in PRISON here.
A MAN who calls himself HENRY CUNNINGHAM, appears to be about 30 years of age, 5 feet 9 inches high, of a dark swarthy complexion, thin faced, has black dull eyes, long black rough hair………………………..
Morpeth Gaol, July 23rd 1785
The felons in Morpeth Gaol are: Joseph Miller, James Wintrip, alias Winter…………………
House of Correction, Newcastle, March 2nd 1786
Two suspected Persons in the House of Correction Here., ONE of them calls himself ABRAHAM SMITH, a Tinker, says he was born at Lead-Gate, near Ryton, and has lived at Bishop Auckland for about a year and a half past, and was lately a soldier in the Fencibles in America; he appears to be about 21 years of age, 5 feet 5 inches high, has a dark or swarthy complection, long dark brown hair, curled at his ears, black eyes…………………………………
The other calls himself JOHN COOPER, says he was born at Bishop Monkton, near Ripon, in Yorkshire, but was brought up and chiefly lived at Barnard Castle, has been formerly two or three voyages at sea, and lately got his bread by selling books and pamphlets, &c., he appears to be about 17 years of age, about 5 feet 2 inches and a half high, has dark brown hair, very thick and rough on the top of his head, grey eyes, and a fair complection………………………
The above two persons are supposed to be part of the notorious gang of thieves called the Bishop Auckland-Gang, otherwise the Barlow-Gang, otherwise the Gateshead-Fell-Gang, so called from some of them residing, and others occasionally rendezvousing at these places.
Northumberland Quarter Sessions, May 6th, 1786
At the General Quarter Sessions of the Peace held at Morpeth, the 26th day of April last,.................. and Ann Bennett, and Jane Winterup, otherwise Jane Winter, for twelve months each
Morpeth, August 2nd, 1788
We hear that the noted John and Robert Winter, (father and son) who were found guilty of burglary, and received sentence of death at the last Assizes for Northumberland, are to be executed, pursuant to their sentence, on Fair Moor, near Morpeth, on Wednesday next, at eleven o'clock in the forenoon.
Morpeth, August 9th, 1788
On Wednesday John and Robert Winter, father and son, were executed on the Fair Moor, near Morpeth, pursuant to their sentence, at the last assizes, for breaking into the house of William Charlton, Esq; at Hesleside, they appeared to be perfectly resigned to their unhappy situation, and as they were going to be turned off, the younger Winter addressed the numerous spectators of their melancholy situation, in a very unexpectedly pathetic speech, in which he observed, that having been brought up without any regard to morality of religion, the progress of evil had so rapidly over-run his inclination, that at any early age he was arrived at the full maturity of vice, in the pursuance of which he experienced so many dreadful pangs, that he could not pretend to say, whether his ignominious untimely end was more piercing than the uneasiness he had felt in his various pursuits of rapince and depredation, which he had been in practice from his infancy, and in which he was much aided by the ill example shewn by his profligate parents. He then warned the younger part of the assembled populace, to beware of the practice of evil deeds, and recommended a particular attention to the duties of religion, and special observance of the sabbath, a day he had never been taught to reverence; and with the great importance of which he was so totally unacquainted; and that he had never, to his knowledge, attended a place of divine worship. He then met his unhappy fate with uncommon fortitude, whilst his unfortunate father seemed to be totally bereft of any sense of his dreadful situation.
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https://gladstoneuk.bandcamp.com/track/the-ballad-of-william-winter
An old gibbet set high on a windswept Northumberland moor, the last resting place for an evil man.
lyrics
Winter was a bad man, he came from a bad lot
eighteen years for petty crimes in prison cells left to rot
they hanged his brother before him
they hanged his father as well
but he didn't learn his lesson as he sat there in his cell
Winter was a cruel man, his temper it was hot
he murdered Margaret Crozier, stole everything she'd got
they hanged his brother before him
they hanged his father as well
now the hangman's sent his soul to a fiery hell
listen to my story
heed my warning well
as my body swings in the crisp cold air
my soul resides in hell
The Clark sisters were also hanged for their part in the crime
their bodies sent to surgeon's hall and damned for all time
they hanged his brother before him
they hanged his father as well
Winter's body now hangs in chains on a gibbet at Steng cross fell
listen to my story
heed my warning well
as my body swings in the crisp cold air
my soul resides in hell
William Winter, you have been found guilty of the heinous crime of murder,
you will be taken from here to a place of execution, where you will be hanged by the neck until you are dead,
and may God have mercy upon your soul.....................
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http://www.ndfhs.org/pdfs/Vol-20-No-4.pdf
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vol. 20, No. 4 winter 1995
page 131
THE BISHOP AUCKLAND GANG by George Bell
The Bishop Auckland Gang achieved notoriety in the 1780's as a "Gang of Thieves and Pickpockets, who have for some time past infested the markets in this town (Newcastle), and generally resort to fairs in the country". The core members of the gang belonged to two Northumberland families, the Winter's and the Clark's, six of whom, John Winter and his sons Robert and William, and Walter Clark and his daughters Jane and Eleanor, ended their days at `the fatal tree'……………
……………….THE MEMBERS OF THE GANG AND THEIR CRIMES The activities of the Bishop Auckland Gang were brought to prominence in a Hue & Cry published in the Newcastle Courant of 12th January 1782. This identified 11 members of the gang, three of whom, Henry Cunningham and his de facto wife Ann Hamilton, and Mary Wilson (Tate, wife of William Wilson), were being held in custody. Still at large were Elizabeth Whitebread, Thomas Douglas and his (unnamed) wife, Thomas's brother John Douglas and his wife Eleanor, and their 15 year old son David, and Thomas Colpits and his (unnamed) wife …………..
……………………….Saturday last, four persons belonging to the notorious gang of Thieves and Shop-lifters, called the Bishop Auckland Gang, otherwise the Barlow Gang, otherwise the GatesheadFell-Gang……………………….
………………………. The brothers John and William Winter were tried at the Northumberland Assizes in 1784 for stealing rags from the warehouse of Aaron Dowley of Hexham. They were acquitted of the charge, but were removed the same day by Habeas Corpus to Newcastle, where they were convicted of stealing an ass, for which they were sentenced to seven years transportation. The law eventually caught up with their brother Robert, and father John; both were sentenced to be hanged at the Northumberland Assizes of 1788 for horse stealing……………..
……………………………… Newcastle Courant (10th September 1791) undoubtedly echoed the sentiments of his readers when he wrote:- "It is hoped the remainder of this wicked gang will soon be taken, and brought to that condign punishment so justly due to the enormity of their offences"…………………
………………………………….. Walter was finally arrested and tried at the Northumberland Quarter Sessions in July 1793, when he was sentenced to death for the crime of burglary. Again, there was no respite; he was executed on Fair Moor on Wednesday 14th August. The Newcastle Courant (17th August 1793) reported on the hanging:- Clarke, at the fatal tree, and during his confinement, behaved with great penitence, acknowledged his guilt, implored the prayers of the good and virtuous, and admonished the wicked to take warning by his untimely end, but refused to give any account of his practices, or of the gang of the Winters, with whom it is supposed he was connected, except that he was the father of the two unhappy girls who suffered with one of them last year! …………………………
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This below is just a few of the reports from 1923, along with all their relations the Winters where said to be in this film that was also named the Children of the Caravan
Tuesday 25 September 1923
Dundee Courier
Angus
Scotland
“THE ROMANY” AT DUNDEE
“THE ROMANY” AT DUNDEE. Overdrawn Scottish Characters. Film producers seem unable to present a Scottish film free from exaggeration of Scottish character. The Romany, at present showing in the Scala, is an example. The Scottish characters are on lines familiar from American-made films. The Romany was produced in Glen Tilt, and one expected something better than a caricature of Scottish characterisation. The film idea of a Scot seems to be: —Take a man, put a tamo' shanter on him. gravat (even on a summer's day) round his neck or a plaid over his shoulder, and make him produce—at least once—a gill bottle. The herdsman in The Romany fits this bill. He produces a bottle, takes a sup, and talks about ma maistor's lands. The Scottish sub-titles are also a weak point………….. No doubt there are difficulties producing satisfactory realistic Scots on the screen, and difficult to recall a film where the detail in this respect was without blemish. In other respects The Romany is quite a good film, though in the early part of last night's showing it was presented much too quickly, and people had difficulty in reading the descriptive passages. The gipsy element is boldly depicted with many strong characters. Many people will be interested in the scenic attractions, and these are well done, and in many parts the players are staged amid settings of native beauty, some magnificent views of Glen Tilt being shown. Victor Maclaglen as the Romany, plays the part of the forecful leader to perfection. To escape the attentions of a wealthy farmer. Flora, a pretty Scottish girl, runs from nome, and is befriended by a band of gipsies. The Romany chief, although in love with Valict, one his own tribe, falls a victim to the charms of Flora. Event follows event with amazing rapidity, and the climax is reached when the gipsy gets struck by lightning while a duel for Flora is being fought.
Wednesday 29 August 1923
Dundee Courier
Angus
Scotland
PITLOCHRY FOLKS' INTEREST IN ROMANY FILM
PITLOCHRY FOLKS' INTEREST IN ROMANY FILM. Keen interest was taken in the showing in Pitlochry Picture House last night of the Romany photoplay by Elliot Stannard, which was filmed in the Atholl Highlands last, autumn. The resulting film one of wondrous beauty and The gipsy fair and sheep dog trial scenes in Glentilt and the passing of the whole caravan series along the Grampian highway among the rugged mountains is specially fine. Many district folk assisted in the making of the film, and the showing of familiar figures on the screen created much interest.
https://earlycinema.gla.ac.uk/
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With the frowning Grampian Mountains around them the company carried on at Dalnaspidal, the summit of the Grampians, and later went on to Glen Tilt, owned by the Duke of Atholl, who generously placed his estate at the disposal of the company, offering every facility for filming exterior scenes around about the picturesque cottages and among his Highland cattle and sheep.
The film called for the real gipsies, who were found at Buckie Fair, and they gladly and enthusiastically joined forces, giving a wonderful air of reality to the production. These gipsies, the king of whom is Samson Young and the queen Wilhelmina Young, hail from Epping Forest, and with their sixteen caravans, fifty horses, and 195 caravan and tent inhabitants added picturesqueness to the whole production, besides acquitting themselves excellently in the parts of supers, in which they were joined by many of the local inhabitants clad in Highland dress.
Even when not actually working before the camera Victor McLaglen does not allow himself a complete rest. During the last week he has been up in Scotland with Mr Martin Thornton, who will direct him in his next film, searching for good types of gipsies to act as 'atmosphere' for the next film in which Mr. McLaglen will play. After many days search they found the gipsies they wanted. They are one of the oldest Romany tribes to be found in Scotland, and McLaglen said it was exceedingly difficult to persuade them to accept Mr Thornton's offer of financial reward for their services as film actors. 'They are exceedingly proud of their ancestry,' says McLaglen, 'and were very much opposed at first to the idea of appearing on the film, especially when we told them we would pay them. The head gipsy made me understand that they were not in need of money - however, we eventually won them to our side, and for several weeks whilst the film, is being made we are to live with them in their camp.'
this photo below is from the film above, Winters Boswells, Youngs, Shaws, they are behind the three actors at the front, i read this on the internet but only the Winter families of today would be able to confirm this as true
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Crowd_by_caravans_(6210681933).jpg
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If there is anyone who would be able to expand on this research I would welcome your input, all records regarding the Winters I am collecting, if you have anything what so ever I would appreciate you sharing your finding, all the related family's I would like to hear of plus locations and everything is of most importance, no detail is worth overlooking in my search for the truth, I hope I to through sharing, my research may help others, that is my biggest goal of all, I will finish part three of three of the Winters some time in the future as I have collected much information, to me they are another great Gipsy family, systematically it seems they have been left out of many records of so-called scholars and when wrote of it is mostly been in a bad sense, through all my writing of all their life's I hope their relatives of the future will get to know more of the truth of their ancestors, I do not read like other people, I do not see like other people, maybe others will never understand what I see
So maybe in a few weeks i will put on the last records of the Winters, they to were caught up in the war years, there is no doubt in my mind they are a strong Gipsy family of great renown history and tradition of the hightest order
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Hi everyone
I do hope all are well, would there be anyone who would help me in my research, i am at present researching the Winter Family who are a Family court up in the world war one account's, this is my own way of personal research to learn and share for not only you but for future people and relatives to learn the real truth and get my personal input that will not be there when i am dead, the point at this time is i write of the writings of others to teach of the past but now i think some of the old writers may of just twisted or plain made things up, this is of most importance for they are the same type who wrote of everything, every and all accounts, evan the census records, if the truth be known, the truth should be known, so if i put some evidence up is there anyone who would help me evaluate my findings, if not i will strike out alone, but i would like some educated help to stear me through what may be a strange place, George Hall quoted Scott, and true Scott was quoted by Simson about the Winters, but what if the truth was first lied about, then what of quotes, what about my quote now, i would like someone to come forwards and help me and evan say what i say is maybe wrong, if not i will try my best to help others to navigate the history of my genealogical research
regards michael
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Hello! I would be really interested to hear more about Alfie Gaskin, if you have the time please. I am a military historian from Bury St. Edmunds (some of my work here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUFT4ft6SEk) - I'm also a Gaskin. My grandfather was Marky Gaskin and his father John Henry Gaskin (my namesake).
I go to the battlefields often and would love to hear more about Alfie, how I relate to him and where he is buried to visit myself.
Thank you in advance.
Hi thank you for the enclosed. Made interesting reading.
This picture is Alfie Gaskin originally from Sudbury, enlisted into the army in 1917 at Byker Showground, Newcastle. He was killed outside Ypres.
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Helo
Just go to the photo of Alfie Gaskin and click on the name of the person who put the photo up, it says Caskinhunt, then you find yourself on their profile, you can then send them a message that will aleart them via email, if the person does not reply you can then send a mesage to a moderator who will advice you how to make a new post asking whatever questions that you need the answers to, they have people on Rootschat who can and will help you, i will be writing more on this thread soon so you post will be archived and people will not see it much, so if i write more posts and your post gets relegated back a bit i will re post your post before mine so your request stays in the public domain, if you make contact with Caskinhunt i do hope you find what you seek
michael
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Hello! I would be really interested to hear more about Alfie Gaskin, if you have the time please. I am a military historian from Bury St. Edmunds (some of my work here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUFT4ft6SEk) - I'm also a Gaskin. My grandfather was Marky Gaskin and his father John Henry Gaskin (my namesake).
I go to the battlefields often and would love to hear more about Alfie, how I relate to him and where he is buried to visit myself.
Thank you in advance.
Hi thank you for the enclosed. Made interesting reading.
This picture is Alfie Gaskin originally from Sudbury, enlisted into the army in 1917 at Byker Showground, Newcastle. He was killed outside Ypres.
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Hello! Thanks for the reply. I have done a lot more research on Alfie and have now learned his full story.
I saw you write somewhere about gypsy round ups by the army to force them to sign up? Is that right? Could you tell me more about that please?
Helo
Just go to the photo of Alfie Gaskin and click on the name of the person who put the photo up, it says Caskinhunt, then you find yourself on their profile, you can then send them a message that will aleart them via email, if the person does not reply you can then send a mesage to a moderator who will advice you how to make a new post asking whatever questions that you need the answers to, they have people on Rootschat who can and will help you, i will be writing more on this thread soon so you post will be archived and people will not see it much, so if i write more posts and your post gets relegated back a bit i will re post your post before mine so your request stays in the public domain, if you make contact with Caskinhunt i do hope you find what you seek
michael
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Hi
That is good news that you in rapid time have managed to learn the full story of Alfie Gaskin, that must be some record you just set, you are indeed a person of high caliber in the world of researching,
you are right about what i am writing regarding the Gipsies, i have been researching for several yeares, if you just keep looking in now and then more will be revealed, you are of course most welcome to join in my research and also ask as many questions as you see fit, this is an ongoing research i hold much information that i have not wrote yet, i will though have to curtail the way i am putting everything down, the Winter Family will be the last in depth family that i research fully in my own way, i just could not possibly have the time to carry on writing the way i do, i will complete the Gipsies Roll of Honour and the talk of what happened and why, i think everyone should know the truth, hopfully i will achieve my aim of finding and sharing this truth through this research, in the future others may then write up more information of the life's of the Family names that i find, it is of the most importance that this story is written, i have not tip toed down through the past yeares placing my feet like a frightend child wondering whether if this is the right thing to be doing, i do not descend on a rickety old stair case, i am just there, seeing with my own eyes, i will do my own best to help them, if you keep looking over the time all your questions will be answered.
michael
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part one
Hi all
As i come to the end of my researching days i myself start to question more of the information data that i find and evaluate or not evaluate would be the right thing to say, how does a person know what a writer of records is thinking, or there motive, motives, it gets deep, the truth of my thoughts now are i am responsible in my own way for sharing data from past writers as evidence, in this day much of such data would be labled fake news, i consult many old books and gather vast amounts of information and then of course use such information in the narative of my research, what i am trying to say is i feel i must warn everyone who reads research data from people writing of the past like me, well be carefull for evan though people like me are genuine and have tryed to relay their research to others without corupt thought or malise not to mention just false propergander which somtimes to a person may be inocent of such intent yet a person or persons finds themselves court up and sneard intangled without the knowledge of knowing that you as a reader or writer are doing the fase bidding of long gone mindsets that truthfully have drod this world known by the name of research, knowledge they say in some form or other is power, but what is power if only control.
I just want to be right by everyone evan when i get things wrong i want others to know i was just trying in a right manner, if you read these statement below then look at the research later that i will show you that may chalenge what is wrote, i will only show evidence it will be up to you to think as you do, for truthfully to i must try and let the truth speak as words have there own language
This is wrote in this book below which i have used has evidence in my research about the Winter family regarding their lifes up to the times and behond World War One, i have used it and showed everyone such things on here, but are such things true, am i guilty of not saying i think these words to me do not feel right, this is the book and words below
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/39665/39665-h/39665-h.htm
A
HISTORY OF THE GIPSIES:
WITH
Specimens of the Gipsy Language.
BY WALTER SIMSON.
EDITED, WITH
PREFACE, INTRODUCTION, AND NOTES, AND A DISQUISITION ON THE
PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE OF GIPSYDOM,
BY JAMES SIMSON.
1866
Page 45
When a child will become unruly, the father will often say, in the most serious manner, “Mother, that canna be our bairn—the Tinklers must have taken ours, and left theirs—are you sure that this is ours? Gie him back to the Gipsies again, and get our ain.” The other children will look as bewildered, while the subject of remark will instantly stop crying, and look around for sympathy; but meeting nothing but suspicion in the faces of all, will instinctively flee to its mother, who as instinctively clasps it to her bosom, quieting its terrors, as a mother only can, with the lullaby,
“Hush nae, hush nae, dinna fret ye;
The black Tinkler winna get ye.”[10]
And the result is, that it will remain a “good bairn” for a long time after. This feeling, drawn into the juvenile mind, as food enters into the growth of the body, acts like the influence of the stories of ghosts and hobgoblins, often so inconsiderately told to children, but differs from it in this respect, that what causes it is true, while its effects are always more or less permanent. It has had this effect upon our youth—in connection with the other habits of the people, so outlandish when compared with the ways of our own...........................
[10]The Gipsies frighten their children in the same manner, by saying that they will give them to the Gorgio.
Page 97 extract
This family, I believe, are the Winters noticed by Sir Walter Scott, in Blackwood’s Magazine, as follows:
“A gang (of Gipsies), of the name of Winters, long inhabited the wastes of Northumberland, and committed many crimes ....... I have little doubt they are all hanged.”[50]
50]It is but just to say that this family of Winters is, or at least was, the worst kind of English Gipsies. Their name is a by-word among the race in England. When they say, “It’s a winter morning,” they wish to express something very bad. It is difficult to get them to admit that the Winters belong to the tribe—ED.
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Part two
So this below is the quote from the book of 1866 (but is it true).........now you will see how it evolved in to the later years as a fact of truth, i have much more in depth material about people and so-called facts but i will only stick strongly to a loose basic showing of what i have found for i will not judge for these accounts need a far more educated person than i am to Analise the evidence, i only wish to not blame or accuse but just to say i think the history of the Gipsies as yet to be wrote, i just want to be right by the Dead and the Winters have in my mind been stigmatised along with many other Gipsies, just see what you think as these writings continue
“Hush nae, hush nae, dinna fret ye;
The black Tinkler winna get ye.”
Reason.com
CONSPIRACY
The Legend of the Child-Snatching Gypsies
An old fear rears its head again.
JESSE WALKER | 10.30.2013
extract
………….A Scottish tale claims that the economist Adam Smith was abducted by Gypsies (or possibly Tinkers) at age three; he was then either missed by his uncle or spotted by a stranger, at which point either the uncle or some scouts retrieved him. (The stories are also inconsistent about where the snatching supposedly took place—another sign that we're dealing with legend rather than firm fact.) Generations of British parents have warned their kids about Gypsy bogeymen lurking in the shadows, waiting to snatch incautious children. The idea even crept into lullabies:
Hush nae, hush nae, dinna fret ye
The black Tinkler winna get ye.
One 19th-century writer acknowledged that such lore resembled "the stories of ghosts and hobgoblins, often so inconsiderably told to children." But the Gypsy tales, he rushed to add, were true.
ISAA
Independent scholors ossiation of Australia
Romani In Australia: Invisible and Marginalised
‘Others’
In Australian History
2020
Romani stereotypes
Kidnapping children
extract
Rumours of children being kidnapped by ‘gypsies’ have circulated for centuries, even creeping into lullabies:
Hush nae, hush nae, dinna fret ye
The black Tinkler winna get ye.'
Narrating Gypsies Telling Travellers
A Study of the Relational Self
in Four Life Stories
Martin Shaw
extracts
Page 165
Smith’s consciousness of the child-stealing stereotype is evident in the prologue of
Jessie’s Journey
“Come with me, reader, and share a traveller’s campfire. I promise we won’t steal your children or fleece your pocket.You might even get a wee bit closer to understanding us” (x, original emphasis).
Page 168-169
The transmission of expected behaviour to dependents is also involved in Smith’s reversal of the child-stealing stereotype. Henderson commented on a Traveller “persecution complex” that he found to be embedded in Burker stories:Although the ‘flattie’ (non-tinker) population for long feared that the tinkers were child-stealers (witness the lullaby
‘Hush ye! Hush ye! Dinna fret ye!
The black Tinkler winna get ye’),
the folklore of the tinkers shows clearly and even poignantly that they lived inmuch greater fear of the ordinary population than the ‘flatties’ did of them. (“Tinker”2636, original parentheses)
In my interpretation, the meaning behind Smith’s story goes beyond the threat of the Burkers;it is a metonymy for the perceived vulnerability of women and children in relation to unfamil-iar others. The threat, or the potentiality of threat, from “outside,” which is embodied by the“Burkers” is a defence system characterised by a recommendation of caution and suspicion.And although the particular threat of the Burkers is fixed in the past (“in those days”) the message that the Burker myth relays is functional. In a way the “black Tinkler” of Hender-son’s nursery rhyme and the Burkers of Smith’s Traveller story are each other’s mythical an-titheses, but serve similar purposes in different environments.
i have not been able to find the vertion that speaks of Hender-son’s nursery rhyme, but Henderson is a writer of the middle to late 1900s so he was also thinking as these writers think
BURY ME STANDING
The Gypsies and their Journey
Isabel Fonseca - 2011
Page 227
extract
'Hush ye, hush ye, dinna fret yet /
The Black tinkler winna get ye,'
goes a not very soothing Scottish lullaby.
Migrants and Cultural Memory:
The Representation of Difference
Edited by
Mícheál Ó hAodha
2009
extract
page 16
The belief that travellers might steal children is demonstrated in this lullaby from Scotland quoted in a Dublin publication with only a simple statement, " here is a Scotch lullaby connected with the tinkers:-
"Hush ye hush ye, dinna fret ye,
The Black Tinkler winna get ye."
(Hush you, hush you, dont wory you,The Black Tinkler wont get you".)
Helen Weldon Tinkers, Sorners, and other Vagabonds. The New Ireland review. vol.XXV1(sept.1906.-feb 1907.)sept.pp.43-47,p.44
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part three
The Way of the Wanderers:
The Story of Travellers in Scotland
Jess Smith - 2012
extract
A typical example of this attitude is this so called lullaby which used to be sung to children.
'Hush ye, hush ye, dinnae fret ye;
the black tinkler winna get ye.
extract below the lullaby
"I think there were theologians whose sole task was to sit at a desk and write the most awful inhumane lies about the Gypsy/Travelling people wherever they were to be found. The passage of time only seemed to make things worse. Nations throughout the western world held these same hateful attitudes to Gypsies, which makes one despair of human nature".
LOKI'S GAZETTE
August 27, 2013 ·
by petilliavonschkanken ·
in mythology & folklore. ·
ON THE CULTURAL EMBODIEMENT OF THE TRICKSTER:
TINKERS’ TALES AND LORE
extract
“Hush ye, hush ye, dinna fret;
the Black Tinker winna get ye yet,”
goes one old Scottish lullaby, echoing the fear with which Gypsies (“Tinkers,” “Travelers,” or “Rom”) have long been regarded. Like other groups of cultural outsiders, superstitions about the Gypsies abound: accused in centuries past of witchcraft, child theft and cannibalism, today they are still disparaged as fundamentally shiftless, crafty and dishonest. To some extent, this portrayal holds a kernel of truth if one judges by gadjo (non-Gypsy) values — for Gypsies prize the enjoyment of life, family ties and group loyalty over such “gadjo foolishness” as a life of hard work for the sake of wealth. And while Gypsy ethics dictate fair treatment and honesty among themselves, tricking the gadjo out of a bit of hard cash is another matter . . . often (to people with few other trades open to them) a matter of survival.
A Brief History of Everyone
Who Ever Lived:
Adam Rutherford
2016
extract
There are dozens of documented cases of Roma or Irish Travelers being falsely accused of stealing children over the twentieth century, and back through modern European history, to the extent that it features in a nineteenth-century nursery rhyme:
Hush nae, hush nae, dinna fret ye,
The black Tinkler winna get ye.
According to Thomas Acton, a professor of Romani studies at the University of Greenwich, there isn’t a single verifiable case of Roma stealing non-Roma children in history.
ITINERANT MINORITIES IN ENGLAND AND WALES
IN THE NINETEENTH AND EARLY TWENTIETH CENTURIES:
A STUDY OF GYPSIES,
TINKERS, HAWKERS AND OTHER TRAVELLERS
Thesis presented to the Department of Economic and Social History, University of Sheffield,
for the degree of Doctor of Philosophy,
October, 1981
by
DAVID MAYALL
Vol_ 1"
1981
extracts
Page 225
A crime that was believed to be the exclusive reserve of the gypsy race was that of child-stealing: "When they saw the gipsies they drew back behind their mother and the baby carriage, for there was a tradition that once, years before, a child from a neighbouring village had been stolen by them. Even the cold ashes where a gipsy's fire had been sent little squiggles of fear down Laura's spine, for how could she know that they were not still lurking near with designs upon her own person? ... She never really enjoyed the game the hamlet children played going home from school, when one of them went on before to hide, and the others followed slowly, hand in hand, singing: 'I hope we shan't meet any gipsies tonight: I hope we shan't meet any gipsies tonight! ' And when the hiding-place was reached and the supposed gipsy sprung out and grabbed the nearest, she always shrieked, although she knew it was only a game". 132
132 F. Thompson, op cit., p. 36.
Page 226
Also, an old Scottish rhyme sung to fretful children:
"Hush ye, hush ye, dinna fret ye,
The Black Tinkler winna get ye". 133
Having taken the child from its true parents, it was claimed that the gypsies then blackened their captive with a dye made from green walnut husks, galls and logwood, in order to make them appear their own. 134 It was said that the stolen children, when old enough, were married into the gypsy fraternity in order to ensure that the resulting mixed blood gave stamina to the race. 135 elsewhere the practice was linked to the tribal and historic superstitions of the race. 136 As with all such claims, examples were provided. Adam Smith, the economist, was allegedly carried off by gypsies when only three years of age, to be rescued from obscurity by his uncle, 137
133 Report of the Departmental Committee on Tinkers in Scotland (Edinburgh, 1918), p. 5 (hereafter, ta1. Cttee. on Tinkers).. 134 Mr. Ellis, 'The Nuisance ... ', in V. Bell, op. cit., p, 76. 135 'Gipsydom', Bow Bells, Vol. 5 (18671, p. 275. 136 The Tent Folk', The Nation (12 October 1907), p, 44. 137 Chambersgs Miscellany of Useful and Entertaining Tracts, Vol. 16, No. 139 (1847X, p. 11; W. B., "Gipsies of the Border $, loc. cit., p. 163.
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part four
GIPSIES
IN ENGLISH LITERATURE
BY
MARGUERITA NEEDHAM
THESIS
FOR THE
DEGREE OF BACHELOR OF ARTS
IN
ENGLISH
COLLEGE OF LIBERAL ARTS AND SCIENCES
UNIVERSITY OF ILLINOIS
1920
extracs
page 12
Especially is this true of the Spanish Gipsy, who lives among the rocks and precipices of the mountains, and makes a living from raids and visits upon the towns- sometimes residing for months as an inoffensive Gipsy in Seville or Cordova- only to end by some smuggling venture carrying him through the passes to a safer retreat. Repeated edicts for two hundred years were passed to exterminate these tribes; and many a group was doomed to be burnt, whipped, or branded. The Spaniards of the time accused them of driving with the Moors a nefarious traffic in Christian children. Yet the Gipsies thrived magnificently.1
1. Morwood, V. S.: Cur Gipsies in City. Tent, and Van, Chapter III,
extract
Page 16-17
Ofttimes Scottish peasant-mothers would sing to their babes of these black tinklers:
"Hush ye, hush ye, dinna fret ye,
The black Tinkler winna get ye,"
which was quite reasonably and independently converted by Gipsy mothers for the purpose of hushing their children and keeping them home near the tent,- to a warning against the gringo folk. And, after the middle of the sixteenth century, the "sturdy beggars' children"- inclusive of all the little Gipsies in Scotland- were by laws made liable to a youth of enforced servitude, unless their parents settled down; so that Gipsy mothers might well sing to their children to beware of the gringoes. Coal and salt masters might apprehend and put to labor all vagabonds and sturdy children. "The truth is, "says Mr. Macritchie, quoting Mr. Simson, "these kidnapped individuals and their children were made slaves of to these masters. The colliers were emancipated only within these fifty years," .... and to this day some of the Lothian coal miners are of Gipsy extraction.
Gypsies and the British Imagination,
1807-1930
2006
Deborah Epstein Nord
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pages 10-12. ........ As in Guy Mannering, the the mystery of the Gypsies ancestry makes it way into the numerouse fictional narratives in the form of stories of vexed personal identities and displaced protagonists. In Scotts novel, Harry Bertram has been seperated by his past and has no idea that he his the son and heir of a Scottish Laird…………… The father of the painter Augustus John warned his children that if they “walked abroad on market days they would be kidnaped by gypsies and spirited away in their caravans, no one new where” This possibility became a staple of nursery rhymes, the premise for the plots of popular fiction, and evan lullabies that mixed comfort and threat:
Hush nae, hush nae, dinna fret ye;
The black Tinkler winna get ye."
……………..Kidnapping stories and Gypsy narratives, as well as the larger tradition of foundling or bastard plots, also signal something of the fundamental mystrery of individual origins that, even in an age of scientific sophistication, haunts human psyches. Uncertainty about identity and fantasies about parentage form the basis for Freuds theory of the "family romance." According to Freuds schema, the childs feelings of resentment or sexual rivaly lead him( the child is male for Freud) to imagine that he is adopted, in reality the offspring of parents of higher social standing, whose superiority elevates the childs image of himself and simultancously diminishes the stature of the "adoptive" parents, primarily the father.
Page 24
The threat of kidnapping became a staple of nursery rhymes, lulabies, and teasing to coax children into proper behavior. but the opposite notion, that a Gypsy child could end up in the English world, had great imaginative force as well. Parents might scold a naughty or even an unconventional child by saying the "tinkers" had stolen their real offspring and left a Gypsy in her place…………………….. According to Walter Simpson a contempory of Walter Sott and the author of an ealy series of articles on Gypsies, too, had their own version of family romance:" If you enquire at the Gypsies respecting their desent , the greater part of them will tell you they aresprung from a bastard son of this or that family of noble rank and infulence, of their own surname.“
Dictionary of Gypsy Life and Lore
Harry E Wedeck - 2015
Fear of the Gypsies in nineteenth century Scotland a mother would quiten a terrified child by crooning:
Hush nae, hush nae, dinna fret ye;
The black Tinkler winna get ye.
They frighten their own children by saing that they would be given to the gorgio, the non-Gypsy.
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part five
I also read this book online, so you can see right from Simsons book of 1866 the tale as sure evolved and the narative is used by many of the writers of the works i have just shown you
The Witch of Clatteringshaws
by Joan Aiken - 2010 - Juvenile Fiction
quote – Mothers use him to threaten their children—
“Hush ye, hush ye, dinna fret ye,
or the Loch Grieve Monster will get ye!”
so far and that is only so far i do know there may be more evidence out there i am just trying my own best, well Walter Simons seems to be the person who started all the talk of the Black Tinklers, he quotes Sir Walter Scott in his writings as a noted writer, I think his dad was connected to Scott they are all along the border countrys of Scotland i have been researching and indeed although modern writers through time tend to body slam his writing I have enjoyed reading about Scotts life his life and works, I wish I could say more but I am writing only in a skeletal way for you all and trying in this way also to not write in inkwell haste, I am balancing my words so as to stick to the point. I have much more information than what I write here, so this below is what Sir Walter Scott wrote about in the year 1828
Pocket Library of English Classics
The Works of Walter Scott.
Tales of a Grandfather;
being stories taken from Scottish history.
in three volumnes, Vol.1. 1828
preface Abbotsford, 10th Oct. 1827.
Chapter V11. of the Exploits of Douglas and Randolf.
Page 126
The poor woman, who new nothing of this, sat quietly on the wall, and began to sing to her child. You must know the name Douglas was so terrible to the English, that the women used to frighten their children with it, and say to them when they behaved ill, that they "would make the black Douglas take them."And this soldiers wife was singing to her child,
“Hush ye, Hush ye, little pet ye,
Hush ye, Hush ye, do not frey ye,
The Black Douglas shal not get ye.”
Sir WALTER Scott, wrote Tales of a Grandfather. A history of Scotland for his grandson James, Scott wrote in his journal in 1827 that he wanted to find his way between what a child can comprehend and what shall not yet be absolutely uninteresting to the grown reader.
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part six
Sir Walter Scott it is often said was the person who invented Scotland, as in how we think of it now, he was raised in the Borders, he collected vast amounts of songs stories and ballads, folk lore music fables and histories, he seemed to me to be fascinated by violent men and deeds, he was a man well verst in everything if everything could be found, to seek everything is a deed worthy of only the greatest of minds, he often mixed songs or verse to suit a story or poem, I have come to understand more of what is going on through the minds of the so-called Gipsy Scholors of the past and present by reading the mind of Scott who I think as been misunderstood and to me is a fine writer with much to give to the world, scott had a great affinity with Scotland and clans like the Douglas, it is wrote that he himself as conections to the Douglas, conections to the Border Reviers, who he also writes of, some say in a romantic way, unlike the writings of the Winter Family. The Border Reviers and all the histories of the Douglas were of the most savage you could imagine yet Scott talks not like the judge in regards to them, the times I write of spans hundreds of yeares of Border history. There is also the times of the covernats, not to mention the Romans, a long violent history is the ledgandary Borders known by several names and inhabited by many right up to the lowland clearancers a great history with many people one of those peoples were the Gipsies, it is wrote by later scholors after Scott that Gipsies are connected with the old Tinkler families who are connected to the Picts and such, there were great waves of Scotts and Irish movement back and forth, it is sujested that there is conections with the Gipsies and the old Clans, something is going on in these writings, writers I now find write in a interlectual code at times, I am just trying to identify if what Walter Simons says has any historical truth, can he be trusted, are later writers who take up the story of the Black Tinklers frightening children in a rasicim sence just copying older writers who were just changing history in a way that they were making a statement of thought that may yet have to be found.
Do not forget to the story of the Spider and Robert of Bruce. For hundreds years, this story of Robert the Bruce did not include a spider. It is believed that the first reference to a spider came from Sir Walter Scott’s 1827 book Tales of A Grandfather being Stories Taken from Scottish History. the spider story seems to have been first written about Bruce’s friend Sir James “The Black” Douglas, DavidHume of Godscroft (1560 – 1630) in his The History of the House of Douglas, which was published posthumously in 1643. Don’t forget also it is wrote Hume was a friend of and secretary to the 8th Earl of Angus, Archibald Douglas. In this book it says:
“…I spied a spider clymbing by his webb to the height of an trie and at 12 several times I perceived his web broke, and the spider fel to the ground. But the 13 tyme he attempted and clambe up the tree..." i found these old writings so Scott when writing and giving to the world is fantastic mind should be watched closley, you will never find him though, indeed he is the Wizard as he came to be known, the Wizard of the North was his name given way back.
Sir James Douglas (also known as Guid Sir James and the Black Douglas), 'The blak Dowglas', (1286 – August 25, 1330), was a Scottish soldier and battle-hardened knight who fought in the Scottish Wars of Independence. His grandfather was killed alongside William Wallace, his father murdered in an English jail. It is wrote he was a sinister and murderous force “mair fell than wes ony devill in hell.” In the Scottish chronicles he is almost always referred to as “The Guid” or “The Good”.
Sir Walter Scott wrote that the English in a what came to be known as a (Northern English lullaby)
Named Sir James “The Black Douglas” for his dark deeds in English eyes, becoming the Bogeyman in the said lullaby
“Hush ye, hush ye, little pet ye.
Hush ye, hush ye, do not fret ye.
The Black Douglas shall not get ye.”
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I am writing and leaving out vast amounts of research i hope people can follow what i think is or maybe is going on, Scott changed border songs for there was many types of verses and aires melodys you could say he tryed in his mind to correct them and he collected storys and tales, at lot as todo with the facts about the Norman and Saxons, wait till you see where this story leads
IVANHOE;
A ROMANCE.
by Walter Scott
extract
Now fitted the halter, now traversed the cart,
And often took leave,----but seemed loath to depart!*
* The motto alludes to the Author returning to the stage
* repeatedly after having taken leave.
Prior.
INTRODUCTION
TO
IVANHOE.
The name of Ivanhoe was suggested by an old rhyme. All novelists
have had occasion at some time or other to wish with Falstaff,
that they knew where a commodity of good names was to be had. On
such an occasion the author chanced to call to memory a rhyme
recording three names of the manors forfeited by the ancestor of
the celebrated Hampden, for striking the Black Prince a blow with
his racket, when they quarrelled at tennis:
"Tring, Wing, and Ivanhoe,
For striking of a blow,
Hampden did forego,
And glad he could escape so."
The word suited the author's purpose in two material respects,
---for, first, it had an ancient English sound; and secondly, it
conveyed no indication whatever of the nature of the story. He
presumes to hold this last quality to be of no small importance.
What is called a taking title, serves the direct interest of the
bookseller or publisher, who by this means sometimes sells an
edition while it is yet passing the press.
Abbotsford,
1st September, 1830.
I have been reading of the meening 'Freelance'
Freelancing has always been a battle. Literally.
it is said to meen someone pursuing a career without making a long-term commitment to one employer. yet i have read that its original meaning or earliest written evidence comes from Sir Walter Scott's Ivanhoe, in which a lord refers to his paid army of 'free lances, freelance first came into English in the early 1800s, it was used to refer to a medieval mercenary who would fight for whichever nation or person paid them the most. Our earliest written evidence for this use (so far, that is) is in Sir Walter Scott's novel, Ivanhoe, where a feudal lord refers to the paid army he's assembled:
"I offered Richard the service of my Free Lances, and he refused them—I will lead them to Hull, seize on shipping, and embark for Flanders; thanks to the bustling times, a man of action will always find employment".
also it was Scott who made up parts of Robin Hood like the Apple shooting and such, Scott, no one will be able to find him he has secret doors in that make believe castle he built, he was liberal in thinking and had something todo with the Knights Templar, it was said he was not in the Masons but Mason signes are wrote on some Gipsies graves up that way, i can not tell you their names only to say it connects to my findings, i just want people to research themselvs when they read things of the past
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So now i will show you the link back from the ryme about the black tinkler to the black douglas that was found but the author did not see the connection as i do for all the later writers that i found were not yet born when this next book was wrote, then i will show you how a further link back was found to evan a later time of Richard the first.... Walter Scott will come into that account in the end posts so all will become clear only at the end, try and read all the old books and new books plus articles i have found there is a great wealth of knowledge in them
David MacRitchie 1851-1925
ANCIENT
AND
MODERN BRITONS:
A RETROSPECT.
VOL. I.
LONDON:
KEGAN PAUL, TRENCH & CO., 1 PATERNOSTER SQUARE.
1884.
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………. Sir Walter Scott seems also to regard " the good Sir James " as The Black Douglas, whereas we know that no fewer than four of the Douglas earls bore that title, while their very clan name, strictly considered, signifies " the black man." That " a Black Douglas " must at one time have been a term interchangeable with " a black man " or " a gipsy," is indicated also by the rhyme which Scott places in the mouth of the soldier's wife at Roxburgh castle-—
" Hush ye, hush ye, little pet ye,
Hush ye, hush ye, do not fret ye,
The Black Douglas shall not get ye."
This very rhyme is said by Simson to be sung by mothers to their fretful children, at the present day, with this significant variation, that the last line runs— " The black Tinkler winna get ye." Therefore, for this reason also, a " Black Douglas " was only a synonym for a " Moor." And when one or other of the chiefs of this race was styled " The Black Douglas," the article so prefixed was employed exactly as it is yet done in Ireland and in Scotland, to distinguish the head of the clan from the rest of his clansmen, all of whom bear the same tribal name.
The Black-Douglases of history were thus the ancestors of certain families of modern gipsies ; the name of Douglas being, in one of its phases, an equivalent of Tinkler.*
* It is noteworthy, in this connection, that the Tinklers are referred to "in a charter of William the Lion (1165-1214)." (" Encyc. Brit." 9th edit art. “Gipsies.")
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In all the older references to the race, they are spoken of as purely black, not tawny. It is said that Scottish peasant mothers soothe their children with the couplet—
" Hush nae, hush nae, dinna fret ye ;
The black Tinkler winna get ye "
* Simson's " History," p. 45. This recalls Sir Walter Scott's account of the taking of Roxburgh Castle, and the song of the Englishwoman to her baby—
" Hush ye, hush ye, little pet ye,
Hush ye, hush ye, do not fret ye,
The Black Douglas shall not get ye." And, like the Tinkler, Douglas was himself a black man.
I found this information below contained in a book of poem winners in the year 1840, this now connects the black Douglas ryme of frightening children to the Arab mothers frightening their children.
John Charles conybeare obtained the chancellors medal
at Cambridge university st peters colledge in 1840
for the poem
"Richard the first in palestine"
extract
No more the Arab warrior chides his steed,
“Is Richard there, why start from yonder reed?”
Nor Eastern mothers to their infants sing Of Richard,
England's lion-hearted king.
Yet deem not buried in oblivion's gloom,
Idly he sleeps forgotten in the tomb.
This below are the notes written at the end of this poem in the stated book.
"so great the terror which richard inspired, that for many years it was customary among arabs to reprove their horses thus; and their women used to frighten their children with his name. In the time of Bruce, the name Douglas was put to similar use. The following is still preserved".
" Hush ye, hush ye, litle pet ye, hush ye,
hush ye, do not fret ye,
the black douglas shall not get ye,"
next i will link Scott to the above, Scott had a extensive collection of books including the times of the crusades, it is wrote it was an Arab writer who first used the words to frighten children, Scott seems to favour the liberal thought of certain writers of the past and had connections to familys like the ones from Roslin that place of high intrige, i think way back at the times of the Crusades this story started, Scott in his mind was thinking about the origin of many things, and to weaving his majik into the narative, no one will ever find Scott, everyone will see through their own eyes, i am just trying to show how if a writer like Simson makes certain comments and you start to think on them, then also i think a person should think on all his words, the same also should be thought of my words
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