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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: renison bell on Wednesday 14 November 18 11:09 GMT (UK)
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I am searching a Minnie Louisa Davis, lived Lynehearst Street Wesport New Zealand 1905 1906 Cannot find shipping record of her coming to Australia between 1907 to 1912 ?
Had child Pearl Evevlyn Davis 6/9/1906 in unmarried mothers home Salvation Army ?
Where do I start my search.
Minnie was born 1883 in Beaconsfield Tasmania
thank you renison bell
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Welcome to Rootschat.
We can start by moving you post to the Australia board.
Where in Australia was she living?
Pearl was born where?
What information are you after?
Jamjar
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Welcome to Rootschat, renison bell :)
You can't move your own posts to a different board but I'll ask one of the moderators to move this one to AUSTRALIA board for you. Meanwhile, do let us know what information you already have and what you are looking for.
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I asked already. ;)
Jamjar
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I’m looking at TAS Names Index and I see a will for a Minnie Louisa Davis dated 1970.
The birth I see in 1883, 22 April, Beaconsfield, is for Minnie Isabella Davis, with folks Richard Davis and Elizabeth Adams.
Jamjar
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Minnie Isabella Davis had an illegitimate daughter, father Henry Triptree.
There was a maintenance dispute, November 1905, 2nd last column:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article38806710
Jamjar
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Jamjar thank you for your research,sorry I posted it wrong.
Yes Minnie Isobella Davis was born 22/4/1883 Beaconsfield Tasmania
Parents Richard and Elizabeth Adams, as you posted is correct.
I cannot find where Pearl was born,story goes Minnie went to New Zealand where 2 brothers
lived in Reefton, then returned to Australia Bendigo Victoria with Pearl who was about 5 or 6.
Did she have Pearl in a Tasmanian Salvation home or New Zealand ?
Cheers renison bell.
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A possibility. This is from a transcribed index.
DAVIS Henrietta Pearl
Father NOT STATED Mother Millie DAVIS
3 Sep 1905
At Connaught Crescent, Launceston Reg#3179
Cando
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Jamjar's link mentions left without support from 4 Sept.
And a little more.....
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article202058505
North West Post, Tas 11 Nov 1905
LAUNCESTON
Claims for Maintenance ---
Henry Triptree, proceeded against by Minnie Isabel Davis for the maintenance of his illegimate child, was ordered to pay 5s per week and also £1.13s Od. The parties resided at Beaconsfield.
Surely the birth registration I posted has to be the right one. Beaconsfield not far from Launceston.
Cando
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Salvation Home, Maternity Home, Launceston c1900 - 1960
Address - Rock Lynn House was situated at 13 Connaught Place, South Launceston.
Information on birth certificates not always 100% accurate. Millie for Minnie and Connaught Crescent for Connaught Place. Information was often given verbally as well.
Cando
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Had child Pearl Evevlyn Davis 6/9/1906 in unmarried mothers home Salvation Army ?
thank you renison bell
renison, where did the birth date you have given arise from?
Where did the names Pearl Evevlyn come from?
As mentioned the birth of Henrietta seems likely, especially as the father was Henry.
Sue
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Where did the names Pearl Evevlyn come from?
I’m guessing from her marriage:
1929 2683 DAVIS Pearl Evelyn to BADGE Wm Lewis
Her mother’s death:
1951 22856 DAVIS Minnie Isabel UNKNOWN Unknown Unknown (Unknown) born Tasmania aged 68
Is there a chance that Henrietta P and Pearl E are sisters?
Jamjar
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The date of birth given by the OP is puzzling as Minnie stated in court she had been left without support since 4 Sep 1905 and yet the birth date given in the initial post is 6 Sep the following year.
How many children noted on this certificate?
1951 22856 DAVIS Minnie Isabel UNKNOWN Unknown Unknown (Unknown) born Tasmania aged 68
Cando
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Where did the names Pearl Evevlyn come from?
I’m guessing from her marriage:
1929 2683 DAVIS Pearl Evelyn to BADGE Wm Lewis
A 2nd marriage?:
BADGE Evlyn Pearl to TOWNLEY Gordon Ronald 1953 5271
Her mother’s death:
1951 22856 DAVIS Minnie Isabel UNKNOWN Unknown Unknown (Unknown) born Tasmania aged 68
Is there a chance that Henrietta P and Pearl E are sisters?
Jamjar
Obituary Evelyn Pearl BADGE.
BADGE. - Pearl Evelyn (Jessie), on Jan. 17, 2003, aged 96 years, passed away peacefully. Dearly loved wife of Lew (dec. ). ....................
( continues with mention of family and so on)
Published in Herald Sun on 20/01/2003
Sue
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There is a probate file for a Minnie I DAVIS, who died in 1951, Widow at PROV
https://prov.vic.gov.au/explore-collection/explore-topic/wills-and-probates
If there is a headstone on her grave perhaps her family are named.
http://rpcv.com.au/deceased-search/deceased/?id=32723
Cando
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Not entirely relevant to the query, but did Minnie marry?
Victoria
WINCHESTER, Harry. born New Zealand
DAVIS Minnie. born Tas.
1907/4166.
This chap died in Portland in 1916 leaving a widow at Hamilton.
Father Henry John WINCHESTER and his birth can be seen in New Zealand.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/133707718
He is on the Vic Electoral Roll at Hamilton with Minnie to 1915 and is a carpenter.
He is once on E. Roll in NZ with his parents in 1905/1906 using his full name Henry John Frederick and is a carriage builder.
Sue
ADDING- Just saw Cando's post above re the word widow, so I wonder if this marriage is correct or did she use the term widow for reasons of propriety for Pearl.
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I think I have a resource for MI at Eaglehawk.
I will look.
Sue
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???
In Loving Memory of Albert Johnson.
Died 27th Sept 1934. Aged 72
And
Minnie Isabel
Died 4.10.1951
Loving daughter
Elsie Weir
obscured. 3.1922 9.12.2001
Sue
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The relationship is explained in Elsie's obituary.
http://tributes.heraldsun.com.au/archivenotice/2588929/view?random=1542267180619?random=1542267181490
Sue
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Thank you Sparrett ,Cando, and Jamjar for all your research for Minnie Davis
I have no evidence of Pearls birth, other than family here say and Pearls death index 6/9/1906
The story I know is Minnie mother named child Pearl Evelyn, went to N Zealand where
her 2 brothers lived, seems to be on N Z electoral Bulla /Westport 1905/06, cant find her
1911. Returned to Victoria with Pearl, also story goes she met a man who said I will marry
you, but child is in the way. Minnie had sister in Eaglehawk Vic and asked her to take Pearl
but sister couldnt so Minnie placed ad in Bgo paper asking for couple to look after her.
Pearl was placed with Elizabeth and Cleveland Chesterfield, Curnow Street Bendigo, and attended
Specimen Hill State school. She changed name to Jessie Chesterfield no adoption., lived there until
marriage to William Badge about 1931 Melbourne until death 2003. This is correct with evidence
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continuing. Minnie stayed and worked in Bgo, but didnt marry as man didnt contact.
Could this be her in Hamilton with Winchester? him dying reason for no contact?
As years went by Minnie never married but lived with Albert Johnson, and had another child with him
Elsie Johnson Weir who was Pearls step sister, they finally reunited just before Pearl died.
I hope this may put some light into Minnie/Pearl lives, also you may be able to help where I can
research for any more reliable facts.
So grateful for what you have found Cheers Renisonbell
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Renison, are you reading what we are finding for you?
marriage to William Badge about 1931
Have a look back and you will see that I posted her marriage to William. ;)
Where did Pearl? Buried/cremated?
Jamjar
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So sorry Jamjar, yes I see where you found marriage. I typed wrong date.
Cemetery index Pearl Evelyn 'Jess" Badge. Birth year 1906 6/9/1906. death17/1/2003
Ferntree Gully Cemetery Knox City Victoria Australia. Buried
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Rennisonbell.
What I have posted about the marriage of a woman of a similar name to Harry WINCHESTER is only a speculative , faintly possible, scenario.
I have no evidence other than what I have given as to the woman being one in the same as your Minnie DAVIS.
A certificate of the marriage I have given may clarify.
Sue
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From the cemetery’s register:
Pioneer Beam Lawn:
Badge Pearl Evelyn 22-1-2003 Area PO Row 0 Plot 224
Badge William 20-9-1988 Area PO Row 0 Plot 224
Jamjar
22536 1988 BADGE William Lewis parents BADGE Lewis William and Keturah (Manallack) birth: Bendigo death: Boronia aged 85
Notices:
BADGE Pearl Evelyn (Jessie) Death notice 17-1-2003 Death 96 Herald Sun (Melbourne) 20-1-2003
BADGE Pearl Evelyn (Jessie) Funeral notice 22-1-2003 Funeral Herald Sun (Melbourne) 21-1-2003
http://tributes.heraldsun.com.au/archivenotice/2645570/view?random=1542278973801
The other marriage I had posted - now deleted - thinking it was Pearl’s second marriage was actually that of her daughter. It appears she may still be alive, but her husband is deceased.
TOWNLEY Gordon Ronald Death notice 12-1-2016 Death 87 Herald Sun (Melbourne) 19-1-2016
http://tributes.heraldsun.com.au/notice/244292031/view?random=1542279330196
Gordon Ronald Townley
Springvale Botanical Cemetery (The cremated remains have been collected)
Date of Birth: 13 October 1928
Date of Death: 12 January 2016
Date of Service: 20 January 2016
Age: 87
Another daughter’s husband:
STOMANN Albert Death notice 14-9-2017 Death Herald Sun (Melbourne) 21-9-2017
http://tributes.heraldsun.com.au/notice/448142013/view?random=1542280223711
Fawkner Memorial Park
STOMANN Albert - birth 24-11-1932 death 14-9-2017 Cremation 21-9-2017
Their son:
BADGE Lewis Alexander Freedman Funeral notice 4-3-2009 Death 70 late of Buderim Sunshine Coast Daily (Maroochydore) 7-3-2009
Jamjar
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Had child Pearl Evevlyn Davis 6/9/1906 in unmarried mothers home Salvation Army ?
Cemetery index Pearl Evelyn 'Jess" Badge. Birth year 1906 6/9/1906. death17/1/2003
You appear to have taken your 'facts' from a cemetery index. Not the most reliable of sources if I may say so.
If you carefully read the links to the report of the maintenance case in Launceston in 1905 they clearly state Minnie's full name, the name of the illegitimate child's father and the fact that Minnie was left without support on and from 4 Sep 1905. The child's birth registration on 3 Sep 1905 had the surname of DAVIS with Unknown father and one of the child's given names Pearl and place of birth was the same street as the Salvation Army Maternity home. Yes there are some differences with the given name of the mother but if the birth was registered by a member of the Salvation Home it would be very easy for some of the 'facts' to be incorrect. I think this is your Pearl's birth registration. I don't know if the certificate would contain any further helpful information.
Cando
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The following details would be on a 1905 birth certificate in Tasmania. Note the mother's age and place of birth may help you.
Name, date, place, father’s name, father’s age and birthplace.
Mother’s name, age and birthplace.
Marriage date and previous children.
Certificate available after 100 years
Cando
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It gets very confusing for anyone following a thread and those contributing, when edits (AKA alterations) are made to a posting some time afterward and without annotation of any kind within that posting.
Specifically Reply #11
I have quoted the original version of the post in Reply#13.
It gets edited.
It then gets referred to as information deleted and re- posted.
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Where did the names Pearl Evevlyn come from?
I’m guessing from her marriage:
1929 2683 DAVIS Pearl Evelyn to BADGE Wm Lewis
A 2nd marriage?:
BADGE Evlyn Pearl to TOWNLEY Gordon Ronald 1953 5271
Her mother’s death:
1951 22856 DAVIS Minnie Isabel UNKNOWN Unknown Unknown (Unknown) born Tasmania aged 68
Is there a chance that Henrietta P and Pearl E are sisters?
Jamjar
From the cemetery’s register:
Pioneer Beam Lawn:
Badge Pearl Evelyn 22-1-2003 Area PO Row 0 Plot 224
Badge William 20-9-1988 Area PO Row 0 Plot 224
Jamjar
22536 1988 BADGE William Lewis parents BADGE Lewis William and Keturah (Manallack) birth: Bendigo death: Boronia aged 85
Notices:
BADGE Pearl Evelyn (Jessie) Death notice 17-1-2003 Death 96 Herald Sun (Melbourne) 20-1-2003
BADGE Pearl Evelyn (Jessie) Funeral notice 22-1-2003 Funeral Herald Sun (Melbourne) 21-1-2003
http://tributes.heraldsun.com.au/archivenotice/2645570/view?random=1542278973801
The other marriage I had posted - now deleted - thinking it was Pearl’s second marriage was actually that of her daughter. It appears she may still be alive, but her husband is deceased.
TOWNLEY Gordon Ronald Death notice 12-1-2016 Death 87 Herald Sun (Melbourne) 19-1-2016
http://tributes.heraldsun.com.au/notice/244292031/view?random=1542279330196
Gordon Ronald Townley
Springvale Botanical Cemetery (The cremated remains have been collected)
Date of Birth: 13 October 1928
Date of Death: 12 January 2016
Date of Service: 20 January 2016
Age: 87
Another daughter’s husband:
STOMANN Albert Death notice 14-9-2017 Death Herald Sun (Melbourne) 21-9-2017
http://tributes.heraldsun.com.au/notice/448142013/view?random=1542280223711
Fawkner Memorial Park
STOMANN Albert - birth 24-11-1932 death 14-9-2017 Cremation 21-9-2017
Their son:
BADGE Lewis Alexander Freedman Funeral notice 4-3-2009 Death 70 late of Buderim Sunshine Coast Daily (Maroochydore) 7-3-2009
Jamjar
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Sue, there is nothing confusing about what I did.
No one had commented on the idea of a second marriage, so deleting it wasn’t an issue.
I clearly explained why I had removed the marriage, as it is likely she is still alive, and now you have reposted it.
It then gets referred to as information deleted and re- posted.
I did not re-post the marriage.
To anyone that may be confused by any of my postings, I am happy to answer any polite questions you have regarding them. ;D
Jamjar
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Sparret Could you tell me where I can look at the electoral roll for Victoria on
the computer, hoping to see Harry Wincester and Minnie Davis listed in Hamilton.
Thank you RenisonBell.
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I wonder who altered the topic from 'family history' to 'I am searching a Minnie Louisa Davis'. It is Minnie Isabel DAVIS isn't it?
I would appreciate a comment from the OP re the information I have posted re a 1905 birth in Launceston at what is possibly a Salvation Home.
An aside...I don't think that the Minnie in question married WINCHESTER. There are two Minnie DAVIS birth registrations in Tasmania in that era and one was a few years older than Minnie Isabel.
I have collated further information about Minnie Isabel but will leave it for the moment until the OP responds.
Cando
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Sparret Could you tell me where I can look at the electoral roll for Victoria on
the computer, hoping to see Harry Wincester and Minnie Davis listed in Hamilton.
Thank you RenisonBell.
Wasn't Minnie Isabel on the electoral roll, just Minnie.
Cando
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Cando how right you are Name is Minnie Isobel Davis,not Louisa as I was given by relatives
sorry to confuse you and others, should have checked before I posted
Renisonbell
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You seem a tad confuddled RB. ;D
Cando is correct, you are not searching for Minnie Louisa Davis.
Jamjar thank you for your research,sorry I posted it wrong.
Yes Minnie Isobella Davis was born 22/4/1883 Beaconsfield Tasmania
Parents Richard and Elizabeth Adams, as you posted is correct.
Jamjar
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Sparret Could you tell me where I can look at the electoral roll for Victoria on
the computer, hoping to see Harry Wincester and Minnie Davis listed in Hamilton.
Thank you RenisonBell.
RenisonBell
The electoral roll listings were found on Ancestry by subscription.
They were in the names Minnie WINCHESTER and Harry John Frederick WINCHESTER.
It is likely she was nee DAVIS.
They lived at Gray St Hamilton and their occupations have been given
As I previously stated, I have no reason to conclude this is the same woman, but I noted some similarities of dates, times and places so thought the marriage worth mentioning.
Cando notes another Minnnie DAVIS of Tasmania and there may well be more than just these two ;D
Sue
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Renison Bell it's probably a good idea to re-name this thread with Minnie's correct middle name. You should be able to alter it, I think.
Judith
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IGI Familysearch
Name: Henrietta Pearl
Born: 3 September 1905 Connaught Crescent (first born)
Registered: 27 October 1905
Informant: A ROBINS, Matron, Salvation Army Home, Launceston
Father:
Mother: Millie DAVIS, 22 years old, born Tasmania
Matron A ROBINS registered four births on 27th.
Her registrations are the only ones on the page to volunteer information about birth order of baby.
Renison...are you related to anyone named here so far? Are you researching an ancestor?. Who is the ancestor?
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Hi again Rennison,
Are you aware that Minnie seems to have used a different name during some time around Bendigo and wider Victoria?
I do not wish to post information that you possibly already have, or which is not part of your search and possibly not what you want to know about the woman ;)
Others may think differently of course.
Sue
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IGI Familysearch
Name: Henrietta Pearl
Born: 3 September 1905 Connaught Crescent (first born)
Registered: 27 October 1905
Informant: A ROBINS, Matron, Salvation Army Home, Launceston
Father:
Mother: Millie DAVIS, 22 years old, born Tasmania
Matron A ROBINS registered four births on 27th.
Her registrations are the only ones on the page to volunteer information about birth order of baby.
Renison...are you related to anyone named here so far? Are you researching an ancestor?. Who is the ancestor?
So we have Minnie recorded as Millie, aged 22 years by 3 Sep 1905 so born c1883. Minnie Isobel was born 29 Apr 1883 and would have been aged 22 years in Sep 1905.
To many co-incidences not to be your Pearl.
Cando
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Jud thanks for suggestion to alter Minnie Lousia Davis to Minnie Isobel which
is the correct name. Sorry I am new to this site, not sure what to do,and dont
want to make any MORE mistakes,
Every one answering have been so helpful and kind to me.
Cheers Renison Bell
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Cando thank you so much for latest info from the Salvation home
re baby born to Milly.
Yes I think this will be my Minnie I am searching, with name change
of self and child.
Will it be possible to get a copy of birth certificate?
I now need to find her going to New Zealand, and follow her return to
Victoria. I cannot thank you enough for this search, it has been so helpful.
Renison Bell
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Vivenhoe thank you for your research on the Launcestion babies home.
Yes I am related to the mother, calling herself Milly but is Minnie Davis
my Great Aunt.Child born named Henrietta was called Pearl Evelyn.
This explains why I couldnt find her,as date of birth relatives had was 6/9/1906Kind regards Renisonbell
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Hi Renison,
When you are ready, please look at my query here.
Are you aware....?
Sue
Hi again Rennison,
Are you aware that Minnie seems to have used a different name during some time around Bendigo and wider Victoria?
I do not wish to post information that you possibly already have, or which is not part of your search and possibly not what you want to know about the woman ;)
Others may think differently of course.
Sue
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Sue thank you for recent post, yes I can now see where Minnie used different
names, ended up living with Albert Johnson and had another child Elsie Pearls
stepsister. Minnie must have been a resilient and determined woman, maybe
never finding total happiness after the loss of her first born.
kind regards Renisonbell
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Yes, I'm sure you are on the right track there.
In this news item in 1918, the surname used is BELL. You will need to read through to almost the end of the saga to identify her!
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/226808985
Possibly this is also her in 1914, but no name is given.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/226857830
The story I know is Minnie mother named child Pearl Evelyn, went to N Zealand where
her 2 brothers lived, seems to be on N Z electoral Bulla /Westport 1905/06, cant find her
1911.
The only sighting on the New Zealand Electoral Roll in that year is one Minnie Louisa Davis at Lyndhurst Street Westport. Your woman, as we now know, is Minnie Isabella. The Minnie Louisa is still in the Westport area in 1914 and quite possibly for years afterwards.
So the story about her going to NZ is still open to question in my opinion.
Sue
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Sue thank you again for your time researching Minnie,amazing what you have discovered,
I am sure the Albert Johnson is same person she lived with in Bendigo.
Going thru some old papers from Pearls son who also was doing the history, then given to me
after his death, I found a photo of a ship called Warramoo dated 1911.
Wondering if Minnie sailed to N Z on that, not sure how you go into shipping records, maybe you
could guide me. The next step would be to find the ad in Bgo paper to place Pearl, but have no
date to search that. With your and others help I am slowly piecing it together
Regards Renisonbell
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Hi
If you use the correct spelling for the ship, Warrimoo you can learn about it using google. A trans-Tasman shipping service.
Putting her name in the search box here may bring up something
http://marinersandships.com.au/
I have not had any luck elsewhere.
If you wish to search for the advertisement, this would be the place to look( if it is to be found at all)
https://trove.nla.gov.au/?q&adv=y
Use filters to narrow your search.
Sue
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No.46 7 MAR 1911 WARRIMOO WELLINGTON SYDNEY
No. 70 11 APR 1911 WARRIMOO WELLINGTON SYDNEY
No.112 16 MAY 1911 WARRIMOO WELLINGTON SYDNEY
It’s not online, yet:
http://marinersandships.com.au/1911/03/191103.htm
http://marinersandships.com.au/1911/04/191104.htm
http://marinersandships.com.au/1911/05/191105.htm
You will find it making monthly trips throughout the year.
Jamjar
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Hi,
I cannot find your Minnie Isabella DAVIS in New Zealand.
Here's some of the online places I tried
https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/
Sorry, Archway has found no mention of minne isabella davis
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers
Your search has returned zero results
I tried several other online resources too, including the search engine here at RChat.
Here's the NZ Resources Board https://www.rootschat.com/forum/new-zealand-resources-offers/
JM
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Here is very longshot 8)
An advertisement appeared few times between May and June 1911 in the Bendigo Advertiser.
"Kind person to board or adopt little girl 5 years . D.I.M. Eaglehawk P. O."
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/89847796
Is D.I.M. Minnie's initials backwards? ::)
Sue
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Sue my sincere thanks once again, yes I am sure this will be the ad I had
been trying to find, and of course Minnie was good at name changing initials
would fit. Pearl may have started school aged 6.
Now I need to find where Minnie and Pearl lived after 1905 until 1911
I would like to say how wonderful you are with the research you have done
seems like a detectives work. You have made me very happy. God Bless
Renisonbell
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Majm thank you for your info regarding the search in N Z for Minnie
I have her brothers Charles Richard Davis born Beaconsfield Tas 21/9 1879
and the other Walter Alexander Davis could be spelt Davies born Beaconsfield
Tas 2/3 1881. They were living in NZ and Minnie was supposed to have gone
after having the baby, wondering if we could find them
Regards Renisonbell
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jamjar thank you for your continued interest in my research for Minnie.
also the shipping info you have given, hopefully I will be able to pursue
that avenue.
Cheers Renisonbell
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Hi Renison,
as requested here are electoral Roll details for the men of the names you have given as Minnie's brothers in the years 1905/6
However, as mentioned, Minnie does not appear on the NZ Electoral Roll at all, so you cannot make a connection to her being with them in my opinion.
1905/06
DAVIS, Charles Richard.
Progress Junction. West Coast Buller.
Miner
1905/06
DAVIS, Walter Alexander.
Waverley, Patea, Taranaki
Plate Layer
There are other listings for people of the names in other years. (They may or may not be for the men in question).
Sue
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I would like to close this topic, as I am very happy with the response I have received,
Could you please tell me what I need to do?
Wondering if anyone can google for example Minnie Davis, and read all my replies from roots chat
I would prefer to keep them in my own profile
Thanking you Renisonbell
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Your topic is signalled as closed now with the green tick placed beside the heading.
RootsChat will now move it away to archives, but it will remain accessible through search engines ( including RootsChat's own) so that others who may be interested in your people and topic in the future may have information.
This is the nature of research on a public forum.;)
Sue
ADDING
I should mention too that others in the future may re-open and add to the topic which may even further your own research.
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The great feature with RootsChat is that these threads are readily found by google searching, even after marking any thread complete. So you don't need to do anything else to the thread you started. It will always be available for you or others to add to, once they log in, but it will also be available for anyone to read even if they have not logged on.
:D
JM