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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: dtcoulson on Friday 16 November 18 07:33 GMT (UK)
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Hello Kiwis
I have a fellow in my family tree who was born in England and became a mariner in 1847.
Apparently he was sent to serve in the 'pilot service' in Bengal, but the only reference I can find of him after that is as crew on a ship called the Rainbow which travelled from Wellington to Sydney in June 1862.
I've just had a look at the NZ newspapers for early 1862 and see from a number of articles that the Rainbow was a ship of 75 tons that worked in the area around Dunedin/Taieri as a tug and as a ferry. In March it was advertised for sale and in May it made a journey up to Wellington via Lyttelton before crossing to Sydney where it was intended the ship would be refurbished and brought back to NZ to continue working as a ferry/tug.
This has implications for tracing my ancestor, Joseph Bright Gooch.
He may have been hired for that one crossing to Sydney but he could also have been
regular crew, in which case he may have settled in NZ.
Can anyone find evidence of him living in NZ?
He was born in 1832.
Thanks
-David C
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No marriage or death for him on NZBDM.
Jamjar
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Nothing on NZ Maritime Index, nor in the Electoral Rolls.
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I just saw "J.B. Gooch" references in newspaper articles for 1897 and 1902 in Australia (via Trove).
The trouble is that this is too late in history to be the man I am looking for.
Could be a descendant but there's no proof.
Is there any way to see if Joseph Bright Gooch is a passenger or crew on a ship arriving in NZ before 1862? I know that there are passenger lists for the early ships but I don't remember where to find them.
-DC
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No records at Archives NZ via Archway.
Interesting though there is a: GOOCH Joseph Brett
A 'J B Gooch' is mentioned as next of kin in this WW1 file http://www.rootschat.com/links/01n1g/ (http://www.rootschat.com/links/01n1g/)
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Joseph Brett is unrelated.
Joseph Bright was born 1832 to parents John and Susannah, I believe.
Jamjar
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Background threads
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01n1h/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01n1i/
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Hi.
Have you tried searching just CAPTAIN GOOCH. Papers Past has a number of hits on the NZ ports reports, but as your man was from a maritine family I would not know how many were down this way. It is also a surname linked to early settlers and the Militia. One family settling in the Port Albert community, Kaipara harbour.
Captain GOOCH c1874
https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=21119886 Captain GOOCH abandoned land
Ship “Terevelyn” 1866
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/DSC18660426.2.6?end_date=1875-12-31&items_per_page=10&phrase=2&query=Captain+Gooch&sort_by=byDA&start_date=1839-01-01
1866
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/DSC18660428.2.4?end_date=1875-12-31&items_per_page=50&phrase=2&query=Captain+Gooch&sort_by=byDA&start_date=1839-01-01
Captain GOOCH RNR “Clara” on charter to Australia 1873
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/DSC18730401.2.4.5?end_date=1875-12-31&items_per_page=50&phrase=2&query=Captain+Gooch&sort_by=byDA&start_date=1839-01-01
"Skimmer of the Waves" 396 Tonnes Ex USA via Australia October 1873 several reports.
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP18731031.2.23.4?end_date=1875-12-31&items_per_page=50&phrase=2&query=Captain+Gooch&sort_by=byDA&start_date=1839-01-01
Alan.
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In reply #7 there is a link to an article which mentions the 'Trevelyan' & Captain Gooch.
However this was not Joseph Bright GOOCH.
See article re this ship and her captain in the Australian newspaper.....
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/159502426?searchTerm=%22captain%20gooch%22%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20&searchLimits=exactPhrase=captain+gooch|||anyWords|||notWords|||requestHandler|||dateFrom=1860-01-01|||dateTo=1900-12-31|||l-advcategory=Article|||sortby
The master was one Edwin GOOCH.
Minniehaha.
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This link identifies the Trevelyan captain as Edwin Gooch.
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/trevelyan1866.shtml
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Hi David,
A Joseph Bright GOOCH appeared in the Otago Police Gazette as a constable. The entries relate to his appointment as a Constable ('before 17 Feb 1862'), page 36, and discharge ('before 31 March 1862'), page 48.
So he was here!
Spades
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Last night I collected some context & history for the Rainbow, on which Joseph Bright Gooch travelled from Wellington to Sydney, June 1862.
The ship appears in the NZ newspapers a number of times prior to its journey to Sydney.
It had been used as a tugboat + ferry (75 tons) in the region of Dunedin Taieri, making occasional long range trips up and down the country. In March 1862 it was advertised for sale and in May it was on its way up the coast (stopping at Lyttelton) to Wellington after which the plan was to send it to Sydney for refurbishment and then bring it home to NZ (I think back to Dunedin in particular).
The Captain who took the Rainbow to Sydney is the same captain who took the ship up from Dunedin. My question would be, would the crew have been regular crew resident in Dunedin or would people have been chosen especially for this voyage in Wellington? If it is the former then it would suggest that my ancestor had established a home in Dunedin. OTOH he may have been something of a drifter and accepted the job in Wellington as a means of passage to Australia. Who can say?
Looking further into this man's history I see that he was still with the Bengal Pilot Service in 1852.
That is the last appearance worldwide in which I can be sure it is him.
-DC
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Spades, you beaut! Well done.
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Ta!
The full references are:
His appointment - Otago Police Gazette, February 1862, No. 9, page 36.
His discharge - Otago Police Gazette, March 1862, No. 12, page 48.
No further information provided in either entry.
Many Police Gazettes are available to view for free on Archway. This is the link to the relevant Gazette/s
https://archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=17068696&digital=yes
Spades
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He didn't last long as a cop!
I just went through the BDMs like everybody else and confirmed for myself no evidence of a wife or offspring, so I regard his time in NZ as probably brief and inconsequential. It would be great to find a ship on which he arrived, 1852-62.
I'm thinking now he probably settled in Australia, despite the lack of solid evidence there.
-DC
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Shifting focus again to Australia,
I found this newspaper appearance of Mr "J B Gooch"
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/13702409
a passenger for London via Portsmouth from Australia (Brisbane?)
on the RMS Austral, 5th November 1888.
My ancestor would have been 56 at the time.
-DC
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Perhaps this is your man? [1870]
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH18700418.2.26?phrase=2&query=capt.+gooch
Minniehaha.
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Possible death? [Second Christian name initial missing]
GOOCH, JOSEPH 66
GRO Reference: 1899 J Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 31
Minniehaha.
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Hard to draw a conclusion on either suggestion, Minnie.
Gooch was a surprisingly common surname.
The Capt in Port Albert was a highly respected fellow, by appearances!
-DC
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This article in Brisbane 1915 tips my bias more towards Australia:
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/177932566?searchTerm=%22J%20B%20Gooch%22%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20&searchLimits=
The boy's middle name is Sherlock. Sherlock was a middle name of one of JB Gooch's brothers in England.
There is another land-owning Gooch family in the UK for which the name Sherlock has been a popular middle name too.
-DC
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Hard to draw a conclusion on either suggestion, Minnie.
Gooch was a surprisingly common surname.
The Capt in Port Albert was a highly respected fellow, by appearances!
-DC
Hi.
This is the GOOCH list on the ALBERTLAND historic research.
https://www.albertland.co.nz/ships-migrants.php?surname=Gooch&ship=
From other reading I believe T F GOOCH held, at one point, a position on the Military Purveyor's Staff and was listed as a JP.
When I first posted I wondered if J. B. GOOCH may have been related, and if by throwing "Captain" into the search mix additional material might have been revealed that assisted the process of elimination or success.
Alan.
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This article in Brisbane 1915 tips my bias more towards Australia:
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/177932566?searchTerm=%22J%20B%20Gooch%22%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20&searchLimits=
The boy's middle name is Sherlock. Sherlock was a middle name of one of JB Gooch's brothers in England.
There is another land-owning Gooch family in the UK for which the name Sherlock has been a popular middle name too.
-DC
His father was John Burton Gooch
https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=4770771
Bottom of last column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article178868462
Death of the sister:
1935 B30058 Bertha May Moorhouse parents John Burton Gooch and Eliza Jane Jenkins
Jamjar
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Thank you, Jamjar. That puts an end to the theory I was composing.
But it raises another interesting connection. Joseph Bright Gooch's father was Captain John Burton Gooch of the East India company, died 1843. One of his sons, John Anthony Campbell Gooch, married in Australia in 1840 (at the tender age of 21).
The middle name Burton was important to this family line and is passed down along several parallel branches even into the 20th century. The appearance of this name in Australia suggests a family connection, either by John Anthony or by some other descendant.
-DC
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A relevant marriages in Sydney:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article12981116
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article30937994
Death: GOOCH John C A 1195/1907 JOHN B SUSAN GLEBE
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article165389293
Jamjar
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The marriages are all accounted for.
I have these people on my family tree already.
They are close relatives.
The death of John CA is also known, but not so precisely.
Thanks for the detail.
There are now a number of JB Gooches in the picture:
Joseph Bright
and a couple of John Burtons
(and of course others we might not know about).
I would like to separate their stories if possible and see who is who.
-DC
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Ta!
The full references are:
His appointment - Otago Police Gazette, February 1862, No. 9, page 36.
His discharge - Otago Police Gazette, March 1862, No. 12, page 48.
No further information provided in either entry.
Many Police Gazettes are available to view for free on Archway. This is the link to the relevant Gazette/s
https://archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=17068696&digital=yes
Spades
He didn't last long as a cop!
I just went through the BDMs like everybody else and confirmed for myself no evidence of a wife or offspring, so I regard his time in NZ as probably brief and inconsequential. It would be great to find a ship on which he arrived, 1852-62.
I'm thinking now he probably settled in Australia, despite the lack of solid evidence there.
-DC
From New South Wales Archives online index, free to search :D
https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/collections-and-research/guides-and-indexes/police-service-guide
and that leads to https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/search_form?id=31
which includes the following summary
#74
John B GOOCH born NSW 1845, appointed to NSW police 23 June 1868.
The full details should be on the reel #3043 at NSW Archives Kingswood facility as per that online index. That reel doesn't seem to be listed on the ARK's collection https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/collections-and-research/guides-and-indexes/archives-resources-kit-ark
Copies
Microfiche copy of [7/6213] (1862-1904) State Records Fiche 846-850. This series forms part of the Archives Resources Kit which can be used in many locations throughout New South Wales. Also microfilm copies of [7/6213] (1862-1904) State Records Reels 2657 and 1974, and microfilm copy of [8/3255-58] (4 August 1866-29 May 1913) State Records Reels 3044-3047 - available in reading room.
Perhaps Ros may be able to check for you if that John B GOOCH is ''your'' chap on one of her visits to the Archives.
JM