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Title: Hill/Owen Ontario
Post by: Helena11a on Friday 16 November 18 08:37 GMT (UK)
Myself and a fellow researcher have been trying to prove/disprove the following but as we both live in England, require help from Canada!

Charles William Hill born 18th Nov 1883 Birmingham married Hannah Owen born 1890 Haslingden Lancashire on 25th Dec 1908 in York Ontario.  Two years later they were witnesses at the marriage of one of Hannah's sisters. No record has been found of them on the 1911 or 1921 census.

 We are certain Charles William served in the 122nd Oversea Batallion as the father, birth place (although the year is incorrect) and  addresses of his father are correct (checked with the electoral register), however the demob papers state he is single (not widowed) and give his death as 28th Feb 1966 at Westminster Hospital, London Ontario.  I found a burial at Woodland cemetery

HILL, Charles William   Woodland, London (Section A,AEN,AES,L,VA,VAA,VB,Y)   Middlesex   London   MX-LC-152-1

which maybe be the same Charles William

So we need the age at death/obitory of the 1966 Charles William and to discover if the Woodland burial is the same Charles William.  If it is 'our' Charles William then what became of Hannah 1910-1916?  I can find no death on Ancestry

Any help appreciated!
Title: Re: Hill/Owen Ontario
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 16 November 18 11:24 GMT (UK)

Charles William Hill born 18th Nov 1883 Birmingham married Hannah Owen born 1890 Haslingden Lancashire on 25th Dec 1908 in York Ontario.  Two years later they were witnesses at the marriage of one of Hannah's sisters. No record has been found of them on the 1911 or 1921 census.



Where and when did this wedding take place
Title: Re: Hill/Owen Ontario
Post by: Helena11a on Friday 16 November 18 11:28 GMT (UK)
Sarah Owen married   Joseph Pointon on 3rd September 1910 in Toronto York, Ontario
Title: Re: Hill/Owen Ontario
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 16 November 18 11:31 GMT (UK)
1916 census 6, 7, W1, Thompson Macdonald Manitoba

Charls Hill   30 born England. Farmer.
Hannah Hill 26 born England.
Charls Hill   2 born Manitoba.

http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/006003/t-21927/jpg/31228_4363956-00234.jpg

Sandra

Added :- This couple are Charles William Hill and Hannah Bowers married 1913 Stone Staffordshire - 6b 71
Title: Re: Hill/Owen Ontario
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 16 November 18 11:32 GMT (UK)

1921 Macdonald Manitoba

Charles Hill   34 Born England.
Hannah Hill   32 Born England.
Charles Hill   6 Born Manitoba.
Allice Mary Hill   2 born Manitoba.

http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1921&op=img&id=e002881765

Sandra
Title: Re: Hill/Owen Ontario
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 16 November 18 11:38 GMT (UK)
There is a death of a Charles William Hill in Carman Manitoba. Charles born 1914 passed away 2008
which might be a possible for the son.

Canadian Headstone - file 404 did not open - Charles W. Hill
Cemetery:   Miami+
Burial Place Thompson, Manitoba, Canada
Notes - HILL Charles W. July 31, 1914 Feb. 21, 2008 I. B. Mary July 2, 1915 Jan. 8, 1988 Ever Remembered, Ever Loved

Sandra
Title: Re: Hill/Owen Ontario
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 16 November 18 11:47 GMT (UK)
Sarah Owen married   Joseph Pointon on 3rd September 1910 in Toronto York, Ontario

1911 census Toronto West Ontario

George Painton   39
Amalia Painton   38
Cora Painton   15
Joseph Painton   34 born Eng.
Sarah Painton   25 born Eng.

http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/jpg/e002031239.jpg

Sandra

Title: Re: Hill/Owen Ontario
Post by: Helena11a on Friday 16 November 18 11:48 GMT (UK)
Thanks for the above, we did think this was the family but my fellow researcher proved it was the wrong family, marriage year shows 1910 - our Charles was born 18th Nov 1883 and Hannah in 1890.  Also this doesn't match with the Charles William Hill WW1 papers which we are 90% certain is our Charles due to the DOB, place of birth, father and the address of his father Charles Edward
Title: Re: Hill/Owen Ontario
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 16 November 18 11:58 GMT (UK)

Perhaps e-mail or write to the cemetery to see if you can find any further details  ???

Dates are not always accurate on census, some we have to take with a pinch of salt.

Sandra
Title: Re: Hill/Owen Ontario
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 16 November 18 12:01 GMT (UK)

Sarah Pointon - passed away 26 August 1912 burial 28 August 1912  - Prospect Cemetery Toronto

In the same cemetery - 25 December 1936 - Pvt Joseph Pointon -

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/116202775

Sandra
Title: Re: Hill/Owen Ontario
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 16 November 18 12:21 GMT (UK)
HILL, Charles William   Woodland, London (Section A,AEN,AES,L,VA,VAA,VB,Y)   Middlesex   London   MX-LC-152-1

The public library London Ontario are usually very helpful, they may be able to find an obituary for you, although you haven't got a specific date which would help.  Unless our obituary expert Run Kitty could find something for you.

http://www.londonpubliclibrary.ca/

Sandra
Title: Re: Hill/Owen Ontario
Post by: Helena11a on Friday 16 November 18 12:49 GMT (UK)
Thank you for all the info, I will pass it onto my fellow researcher. The burial at Woodland cemetery is the entry I found.  It may not relate to Charles the solider but he did die in London Ontario on 28th Feb 1966
Title: Re: Hill/Owen Ontario
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 16 November 18 12:55 GMT (UK)
Thank you for all the info, I will pass it onto my fellow researcher. The burial at Woodland cemetery is the entry I found.  It may not relate to Charles the solider but he did die in London Ontario on 28th Feb 1966

That was the regiment number.  ???

The date of passing is very useful if you contact the library.

Sandra
Title: Re: Hill/Owen Ontario
Post by: Helena11a on Friday 16 November 18 13:02 GMT (UK)
Regiment Number?  Sorry being from the UK I don't understand.  Is this burial in a veteran section?

The blue form in his WW1 records state he died on 28th Feb 1966 and his service number was 763259
Title: Re: Hill/Owen Ontario
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 16 November 18 13:15 GMT (UK)


Canadian Attestation Papers for information purposes.

http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?op=pdf&app=CEF&id=B4345-S030

Attested Gravenhurst Ontario - 2 March 1916.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravenhurst,_Ontario

Sandra
Title: Re: Hill/Owen Ontario
Post by: Helena11a on Friday 16 November 18 15:19 GMT (UK)
I've just found the following on Find a grave which may be him although I gather the cemetery is some 2 1/2 hours drive from Westminster hospital?

Charles W Hill
Birth 1884
Death 1966 (aged 81–82)
Burial  Pine Hills Cemetery Scarborough, Toronto Municipality, Ontario, Canada

In the same grave is Alice
Alice Hill
Birth 1886
Death 1979 (aged 92–93)
Burial  Pine Hills Cemetery Scarborough, Toronto Municipality, Ontario, Canada

Again it may not be him
Title: Re: Hill/Owen Ontario
Post by: RunKitty on Friday 16 November 18 15:29 GMT (UK)
Hi,

I found the obit for the Charles William Hill buried in Pine Hills Cemetery - wife Alice.

He died in Toronto on April 3 1966.  Husband of Alice Parkin.  Father of Alice (Mrs A Windle), Marjorie (Mrs R Goate), Leslie of Winnipeg, Audrey (Mrs K Benson), Enid (Mrs M Stimers) and Sheila.  Burial Pine Hills. 

RK
Title: Re: Hill/Owen Ontario
Post by: Helena11a on Friday 16 November 18 15:32 GMT (UK)
Thank you so much, this proves it isn't 'our man' as he died 28th Feb 1966 in London, Ontario
Title: Re: Hill/Owen Ontario
Post by: dbree on Saturday 17 November 18 00:41 GMT (UK)
Hi,

There is a partial index to Woodland Cemetery, Page 47

Hill, Charles William 1883 -1966 husband Nella A. 1883-1968
https://londonmiddlesex.ogs.on.ca/docs/membpubs/cem-tr/londonc/152-1-Woodland-A-AE-Y-VETS-AandB-LandL.pdf

1958 Canada Voters List, 71 Stuart St. London, Middlesex East, Ontario
Hill, William, retired
Hill, Nella, housewife

1963/1965 Canada Voters List, same address
Hill, Charles, retired
Hill, Nella,

There is an obit. and death index for London and Middlesex County 1945-1950, 1967-2014
which misses Charles, but Nella is there
Hill, Nella Augusta (middle name), age 84, yr. of death 1968
https://londonmiddlesex.ogs.on.ca/obituaries1.php

As Sandra mentioned, the London Public Library has been excellent (and free) with quick look up obituaries, research request form here,
http://www.londonpubliclibrary.ca/research/genealogy/research-request-form

DB
Title: Re: Hill/Owen Ontario
Post by: dbree on Saturday 17 November 18 01:49 GMT (UK)
Hi,

A maybe...

Using just Nella Augustus * b. 1883 there is a possible.
Nella Augustus Swain, b. 16 April 1883, York, Ontario, father Albert Swain, mother Grace Ann Forth.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9Q97-Y3SH-CVJ?i=144&cc=1784212

She marries in 1911 to Harry Evans in York, Ontario
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9Q97-Y399-W28T?i=1037&cc=1784216

Harry dies in York, Ontario in 1925, Nella is the informant
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6SLS-QBW?i=195&cc=1307826

I am not seeing a remarriage for Nella within the time frame of Ontario marriages 1869-1928,
1933-1935.

DB
Title: Re: Hill/Owen Ontario
Post by: Helena11a on Saturday 17 November 18 10:40 GMT (UK)
Wow thank you so much, so it looks like he remarried 1925-1953 and moved from Toronto to London.  I have just contacted London library for a possibly obituary but his marriage to Nella would prove it was him Also what happened to Hannah his first wife?  1910 until he joined up in 1916 when he states he was single (not widowed?) 
Title: Re: Hill/Owen Ontario
Post by: Helena11a on Saturday 17 November 18 11:52 GMT (UK)
I have just found the marriage to Nella and yes it is the correct Charles - 1929 in Toronto and he states he was a widower.  So Hannah Hill nee Owen born 1890 died 1910-1916 in Ontario.  The hunt goes on