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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: gnorman on Saturday 17 November 18 22:03 GMT (UK)
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Hi, I have some information about some relatives; Mark Dale b.1855 to Mark & Francis Dale in Congleton and Elizabeth Hogan b.1855 to Thomas Hogan (shoe maker) in Ashton. I have a marriage record in 1885 at St Peters in Bolton and a probate record for 2nd December 1923 (at the time he is listed as living at 9 Sun Street) but I cannot find a grave for either of them. I have census results for them both in 1911 but I cant find Elizabeth in the 1939 survey and she isnt mentioned in the Probate. Can anyone help with the graves or anything for Elizabeth before their marriage? The marriage certificate is as follows:
1885 - Marriage solemnized at St Peter’s, in the district of Bolton, 11th July 1885
Groom: Mark Dale, bachelor Age: 22 years
Profession: Striper and Grinder Address: 21 Water Street, Bolton
Grooms father: Mark Dale Profession: Gentleman
Bride: Elizabeth Hogan, spinster Age: 22 years
Profession: Not Given Address: 25 Water Street, Bolton
Bride’s father: Thomas Hogan (DECEASED)
Profession: Shoe Maker Witnessed by: Nathanial & Sarah Fletcher
Thanks, Luke
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Elizabeth may not be named in the probate entry but is she named in the will? When was Mark’s will made?
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Probate wasn’t 2.12.1923 - that’s the date he died. Probate was 17.1.1924
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Sorry, the Will reads;
Document One
This is the last Will and Testament of me Mark Dake of No 9 Sun Street Oldham in the County of Lancashire made this 12th day of November in the Year of Our Lord one thousand nine hundred and twenty. I hereby revoke all Wills heretofore made by me and I appoint my daughter Agnes Dale Madden, Housewife of Oldham in the County of Lancashire and John Madden (Cotton) spinner of Oldham in the County of Lancashire to be the executors of this my Will. I direct that all my debts, funeral and testamentary – expenses shall be paid as soon as conveniently may be after my decease I give devise and bequeath unto my daughter Agnes Dale Madden all my personal property.
Document Two
Be it known that Mark Dale of 9 Sun Street, Oldham in the County of Lancaster, Blowing Room Operative in a Cotton Mill who at the time of his death had a fixed place of abode at 9 Sun Street, aforesaid within the district of The City of Manchester and hundred (?) of Slaford died on 2nd December 1923 at 9 Sun Street, aforesaid and be it further known that at the date hereunder written the last will and testament of the said deceased was proved & registered in the district probate registry of His Majesty’s High Court of Justice at Manchester and that administration of all the estate which by law devolves to and vests in the personal representative of the said deceased was granted by the aforesaid court to Agnes Dale Madden, of 9 Sun Street, aforesaid (wife of John Madden) the daughter of the said deceased and the said Madden of the same place, Operative Cotton Spinner the Executors named in the said will. Dated 17th January 1924. Gross value of Estate £107, 17 & 9 pence.
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Elizabeth wasn't mentioned in the will and all property was left to daughter, Agnes. I assume that Elizabeth was dead. Another possibility is that Mark and Elizabeth divorced.
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Death registration Oldham 1917 Elizabeth Dale aged 50. (Lancashire BMD) Age is out but it was the only one I could see.
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Census has Elizabeth born c 1866/7, you have 1855?
So 1917 Death Reg maiden stone put seems likely.
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Census has Elizabeth born c 1866/7, you have 1855?
So 1917 Death Reg maiden stone put seems likely.
Hi, I have some information about some relatives; Mark Dale b.1855 to Mark & Francis Dale in Congleton and Elizabeth Hogan b.1855 to Thomas Hogan (shoe maker) in Ashton. I have a marriage record in 1885 at St Peters in Bolton and a probate record for 2nd December 1923 (at the time he is listed as living at 9 Sun Street) but I cannot find a grave for either of them. I have census results for them both in 1911 but I cant find Elizabeth in the 1939 survey and she isnt mentioned in the Probate. Can anyone help with the graves or anything for Elizabeth before their marriage? The marriage certificate is as follows:
1885 - Marriage solemnized at St Peter’s, in the district of Bolton, 11th July 1885
Groom: Mark Dale, bachelor Age: 22 years
Profession: Striper and Grinder Address: 21 Water Street, Bolton
Grooms father: Mark Dale Profession: Gentleman
Bride: Elizabeth Hogan, spinster Age: 22 years
Profession: Not Given Address: 25 Water Street, Bolton
Bride’s father: Thomas Hogan (DECEASED)
Profession: Shoe Maker Witnessed by: Nathanial & Sarah Fletcher
Thanks, Luke
If the ages they gave at marriage were correct I calculate their birth years to have been c1863.
Where did you get birth years 1855 for them both?
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Sorry, the Will reads;
Document Two
Be it known that Mark Dale of 9 Sun Street, Oldham in the County of Lancaster, Blowing Room Operative in a Cotton Mill who at the time of his death had a fixed place of abode at 9 Sun Street, aforesaid within the district of The City of Manchester and hundred (?) of Slaford died on 2nd December 1923 at 9 Sun Street, aforesaid ………..
"... within the district of the City of Manchester and Hundred of Salford ..."
The Hundred of Salford was one of the ancient divisions of the County of Lancaster. Manchester was one of many towns and villages in Salford Hundred. Bolton was also in Salford Hundred. The administrative area of Greater Manchester is a modern equivalent of Salford Hundred.
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Thank you everyone. Sorry for my delayed response - I couldnt find this thread again but I took a chance with the death certificate for Elizabeth that you mentioned Maiden Stone and it all matches. Thank you all so much for your help : )