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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: Edward Skylover on Sunday 18 November 18 19:34 GMT (UK)
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Hi there :)
My 3x great grandfather is James Howard who was born in Suffolk, 1837. At some point he moved to Lambeth, London, where I presume he spent the rest of his life. He was there in the 1871, 1881, 1891 and 1901 censuses. His wife was a lady named Harriet who was born in Southampton, Hampshire, according to the censuses. I can't seem to find James in the 1861 census, I think his father is also called James Howard from Suffolk but I can't find definitive proof that he is.
I was wondering if anyone would know an easier way to find his 1861 census entry and also if anyone knows why In the mid 1800s someone would move from Suffolk to London?
Thanks in advance. :)
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He was there in the 1871, 1881, 1891 and 1901 censuses. His wife was a lady named Harriet who was born in Southampton, Hampshire, according to the censuses.
Hello - does he have a more specific birth place on those census or just Suffolk?
If you can find the marriage record for him and Harriet that might help.
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Possible marriage in 1859 John Howard Harriet Dawkins
father John Howard deceased
So he should be with his wife in 1861 plus a son James born Lambeth 1859 and possibly a daughter Jane depending when exactly she was born.
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I have his father down as James from that marriage entry you mention. Most sources say his birthplace was Ashfield in Suffolk. Thanks for your help, I shall continue searching! ;D
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Per FindMyPast, James Howard bp.27/8/1837 Gt. Ashfield, Suffolk, son of James and Mary.
However, there seems to be a situation regarding surname - his older siblings were William bp.26/5/1833 Gt Ashfield as 'Hayward, Mary Ann bp.27/9/1835 Gt Ashfield as 'Haywood', next 2 after James are George bc.1838, bp.15/5/1842 and Thomas Walter bc.1842?, bp.15/5/1842 both baptised as Howard then siblings baptised after then are shown as Hayword or Thompson, plus on 1841 and 1851 census in Great Ashfield the family are listed as Thompson!
Parents married as James Hayward and Marian Witton 12/8/1832 Great Ashfield.
Census shows James senior was bc.1809 Great Ashfield and baptisms reveal a James Haward bp.21/2/1808 Gt Ashfield, son of Amelia. Three months later Amelia Hayward married John Thompson on 11/5/1808 Gt. Ashfield.
So whilst the family name seems to be Howard/variants presumably John Thompson was the father of James Haward b.1808 and the latter giving the name Thompson for his family on 1841/1851 census. Haven't gone forward from 1851 so don't know whether family in Great Ashfield continued with Thompson as their surname or whether reverted back to Howard.
Annette
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There are possible birth registrations for James and (Mary) Jane in Newington.
HOWARD, JAMES (DAWKINS)
GRO Reference: 1860 J Quarter in NEWINGTON Volume 01D Page 229
HOWARD, MARY JANE (HAWKINS)
GRO Reference: 1862 M Quarter in NEWINGTON Volume 01D Page 198
If these are correct then there are a number of both Newington and Lambeth census returns for 1861 which have been lost.
Debra :)
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I think James' place of birth given in 1871 is intended to be Elmswell.
Debra :)
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That's great, thanks Annette 7 and Dundee! Very useful info ;D
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Per FindMyPast, James Howard bp.27/8/1837 Gt. Ashfield, Suffolk, son of James and Mary.
However, there seems to be a situation regarding surname - his older siblings were William bp.26/5/1833 Gt Ashfield as 'Hayward, Mary Ann bp.27/9/1835 Gt Ashfield as 'Haywood', next 2 after James are George bc.1838, bp.15/5/1842 and Thomas Walter bc.1842?, bp.15/5/1842 both baptised as Howard then siblings baptised after then are shown as Hayword or Thompson, plus on 1841 and 1851 census in Great Ashfield the family are listed as Thompson!
Parents married as James Hayward and Marian Witton 12/8/1832 Great Ashfield.
Census shows James senior was bc.1809 Great Ashfield and baptisms reveal a James Haward bp.21/2/1808 Gt Ashfield, son of Amelia. Three months later Amelia Hayward married John Thompson on 11/5/1808 Gt. Ashfield.
So whilst the family name seems to be Howard/variants presumably John Thompson was the father of James Haward b.1808 and the latter giving the name Thompson for his family on 1841/1851 census. Haven't gone forward from 1851 so don't know whether family in Great Ashfield continued with Thompson as their surname or whether reverted back to Howard.
Annette
Hi, sorry to be a pain, but I was wondering how you were bringing up those search results? As when I search Findmypast I don't seem to be able to get those results ??? Thanks again.
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It's quite easy - on Home Page click on 'Search' button on top line of page, which brings up a white box to specify which set of records you want to search and click on Birth, marriage, death and parish records (or from Home Page you can click on Advanced Search at bottom of the 'Search all records' section, then click Birth, marriage, death and parish records. It all comes down to your personal choice which method you choose).
Once in B,M, D and parish records, click on 'Parish Baptisms' - on the search screen that comes up I simply entered surname as Howard and ticked name variants, then alongside the 'Where, Britain' box I entered Great Ashfield, Suffolk. (Didn't fill anything else in as knew it was a small parish but if it was a very common surname and was searching in a large town or city I would have narrowed it down by entering a year in the Date of Birth field with give or take which ever was applicable and if known enter parents Christian names).
This shows 27 results - click on 'View 27 results' and voila!
Annette
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It's quite easy - on Home Page click on 'Search' button on top line of page, which brings up a white box to specify which set of records you want to search and click on Birth, marriage, death and parish records (or from Home Page you can click on Advanced Search at bottom of the 'Search all records' section, then click Birth, marriage, death and parish records. It all comes down to your personal choice which method you choose).
Once in B,M, D and parish records, click on 'Parish Baptisms' - on the search screen that comes up I simply entered surname as Howard and ticked name variants, then alongside the 'Where, Britain' box I entered Great Ashfield, Suffolk. (Didn't fill anything else in as knew it was a small parish but if it was a very common surname and was searching in a large town or city I would have narrowed it down by entering a year in the Date of Birth field with give or take which ever was applicable and if known enter parents Christian names).
This shows 27 results - click on 'View 27 results' and voila!
Annette
Thanks Annette, very much appreciated! ;D
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Just stumbled across this thread while trying to look for bits myself.
The James Howard you are referring to as deceased 1859 had a Son also called James in 1837 who in turn had another Son James Edward (23rd Jan 1864) Who had a Son Albert 12th Apr 1904), my Grandfather.
Andrew