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Title: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
Post by: Triplog on Wednesday 21 November 18 19:58 GMT (UK)
Hi. I'm trying to find details of the parents and children of William Francey (born c1857) and Agnes Ayre (born c1855) from the Bellshill/Mossend area. I can only find death certificates for the two of them so have their parents names also. Offspring names I'm aware of are Rebecca, Joseph, James Robert Lizzie and Mary, but that's all I know about them (apart from James owning the Mossend Bar, 607 Main Street, in 1936). I've attached the relevant death certificates.
Thanks for any help offered
Title: Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
Post by: MonicaL on Wednesday 21 November 18 22:39 GMT (UK)
Hi Triplog

Both William and Agnes' roots look to be in Ireland.

This is the best site to use for Irish church and civil records https://irishgenealogy.ie/

I think this is Agnes (Nancy is a common variant) and children in the 1901 Irish Census, in Kells, Antrim http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Kells/Tullaghgarby_Lower/930718/

Not sure why mother in law is showing as Rebecca rathen than Ellen as you had on William's death cert. You would need to look further into it. William did have a sister called Rebecca, who married and left for the US. On her death cert, her parents show as Alexander Francey and Rebecca Bartholomew.

Monica
Title: Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
Post by: scotmum on Wednesday 21 November 18 22:51 GMT (UK)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01n2f/

The above link may eventually prove useful too.

Note, also, that the census Monica has linked to should likely read "Tullygarley" rather than Tullaghgarby. See here for the more usual spellings:

http://www.placenamesni.org/resultdetails.php?entry=19004
Title: Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
Post by: scotmum on Wednesday 21 November 18 23:24 GMT (UK)
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.    Full Abstract :
Francey, James of 601 Main Street Mossend Bellshill Lanarkshire wine and spirit merchant died 18 July 1961 Confirmation Airdrie 28 December 1961 to Thomas Dunn Scott solicitor Allan Thom and Robert Greenhorne. Effects in Northern Ireland £1552 15s. 6d. Re-sealed Belfast 26 March.   

as found at https://apps.proni.gov.uk/WillsCalendar_IE/WillsSearch.aspx

If you use the search facility at link above, with Francey in surname box and Tullygarley (or variants) in the Full Abstract box, you should find some other useful results, such as:

https://apps.proni.gov.uk/WillsCalendar_IE/WillsSearchImage.aspx?id=250989

the entry for Rebecca Francey, Tullygarley, died 1907, that mentions a son, William Francey. Likely the Rebecca of the 1901 census Monica linked to above.

Again, further checks needed re the Ellen Bartholomew named as your William's mum on his death certificate.

Title: Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
Post by: scotmum on Thursday 22 November 18 07:59 GMT (UK)
https://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/antrim/ahoghill.htm

shows various Francy, Bartholomew etc entries in Tullaghgarley (Tullygarley) in the mid 1800s, including an Alexander Francy.

Title: Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
Post by: scotmum on Thursday 22 November 18 08:16 GMT (UK)
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. I can only find death certificates for the two of them   

The Irish Genealogy Civil Index site seems to be down at the moment, but when it is back up and running, you should be able to view the 1880 marriage in Ballymena district, between William Francey and Agnes Ayre.

Again, the following can be checked when site is up:

Potential children include

Rebecca   Francy           16th August 1881 in Ballymena district

Alexander Francey   7th March 1883 in Larne district (out of district but worth checking)

Robert Francey           22nd February 1885 in Ballymena district
Mary Francy                  15th July 1887.                ".   "
James Francey           3rd December 1889.      ".   "
Archy Francey           8th April 1892.                ". "

Joseph Francis           2nd March 1894 (again, Larne district, but worth checking)

Elizabeth Francey          17th July 1897 in Ballymena district

Also in Ballymena district, the following marriage:

Robert Air to Mary Blair on 26th August 1854.

Title: Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
Post by: scotmum on Thursday 22 November 18 10:25 GMT (UK)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp is back up and running. You should be able to view most of the actual certificates for free, albeit not all years are available yet and so some only give the index entry, with no link to certificate.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1880/11023/8030693.pdf

will take you to William Francey/Agnes Ayre marriage certificate.
Title: Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
Post by: scotmum on Thursday 22 November 18 11:16 GMT (UK)
Rebecca Francey's will also mentions daughters Ellen Millar, ElizaMilliken and Rebecca Litson (?sp).

An Eliza Francey, Tullygarley, daughter of an Alexander Francey married a James Milliken on 20 October 1871.

A Rebecca Francey, Tullygarley, daughter of an Alexander Francey, married a Thomas Letson on 5 March 1881.She is the Rebecca who went to America.

Re William's death certificate. It is not unknown for death certificates to contain parental details that were not accurate, especially if the person informing the death was perhaps emotional at time and so inadvertently mixed up details given and/or their knowledge was not accurate and they gave what they thought to be the correct info. Hence, perhaps, Ellen rather than Rebecca. Certainly, evidence so far would point to Alexander Francey and Rebecca Bartholomew, rather than Ellen Bartholomew.

William and three of his children were possibly the group at 9, Balgraybank Street, Glasgow, Dennistoun, Lanarkshire in 1901. He was recorded as married, but his wife was not listed, which would fit with the 1901 Irish census Monica linked to earlier which was opposite way around.


Title: Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
Post by: MonicaL on Thursday 22 November 18 14:15 GMT (UK)
Great collection of records there, Scotsmum  :) Lots for Triplog to follow up there.

Monica
Title: Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
Post by: scotmum on Thursday 22 November 18 15:39 GMT (UK)
Great collection of records there, Scotsmum  :) Lots for Triplog to follow up there.

Monica

Hopefully it wasn't an overload for Triplog (given I sent some PMs too  ;D ). I noticed they were active earlier, but didn't respond to either our posts or my PMs. Perhaps they are digesting the finds and using the links to discover more, and will post back later.

Perhaps we should have warned them that genealogy is addictive!  ;)
Title: Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
Post by: Triplog on Thursday 22 November 18 18:11 GMT (UK)
YES Information overload!!! But in a great way and I thank you all. I've been out of the house all day, heading out tonight and at a family wedding tomorrow (and I'll be asking for a copy of the marriage certificate!!!). Toooo much for me to answer properly tonight and I haven't digested it all fully yet. Tullaghgarley is the old or proper spelling of the Townland (Tullaghgarley Near and Tullaghgarley Far) but is now more commonly referred to as Tullygarley. My Dad and Granny and most of the ones around there simply called it Tullagh. I still have memories of sitting outside on late summer evenings listening to the Corncrakes in the fields around us. In the meantime until  I can answer properly, thank you all so much for your time, patience and expertise!
Title: Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
Post by: Triplog on Thursday 22 November 18 21:58 GMT (UK)
Just had a quick look through all the information given and it fits in (except the Ellen instead of Rebecca!) What has surprised me most is that the part of the family I thought originated in Scotland actually came from here and some moved over there then back again. That's why I wasn't finding anything under the Scotlands People website, that's what I get for my blinkered approach! The Edmonson mentioned as Executor of Rebecca's will is probably a G G Grandfather of my Primary School teacher "Jock" (James) Edmonson. A farmer and part time teacher who had hands like shovels, always wore a cardigan with holes in it and slapped me round my legs the first time I came into his class because he knew all my Granny's family well but didn't know I existed!!! (but a wonderfully gifted teacher who taught us all about country ways and whom everyone loved)
Thank you both once again for your help.
Ian
Title: Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
Post by: scotmum on Thursday 22 November 18 23:06 GMT (UK)
my Primary School teacher "Jock" (James) Edmonson. A farmer and part time teacher who had hands like shovels, always wore a cardigan with holes in it and slapped me round my legs the first time I came into his class because he knew all my Granny's family well but didn't know I existed!!! (but a wonderfully gifted teacher who taught us all about country ways and whom everyone loved)

Ian

Sounds like this chap then - you might enjoy a read if you haven't seen it before:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland/yourplaceandmine/antrim/A725915_replies.shtml

Title: Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
Post by: Triplog on Thursday 22 November 18 23:26 GMT (UK)
Hahahaha Thanks Scotsmum that's the man. A lot of the teachers mentioned there taught me and I recognise a lot of the names posting!
Title: Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
Post by: scotmum on Thursday 22 November 18 23:29 GMT (UK)
So your grandmother, Rebecca Francey was the:

Rebecca   Francy        born   16th August 1881 in Ballymena district (I posted earlier in thread)

who married William Logan in 1903, I guess?

Title: Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
Post by: Triplog on Saturday 24 November 18 07:51 GMT (UK)
Yes you're right Scotsmum but I only ever knew 2 of my uncles. MonicaL can I ask how you found out that Rebecca went to USA and how you knew where to look to find her death certificate?
Thanks
Title: Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
Post by: scotmum on Saturday 24 November 18 10:40 GMT (UK)
As Monica doesn't seem to be around yet, I'll attempt an answer.

Monica possibly ran a parent search at www.familysearch.org .

You need to register for an account, but it is free. Many records they have digitised are then also free, but sometimes only the index is free and you will be directed to another site that will charge to view.

Once registered, you can run a search using parents names only.

In this case, best  adding Ireland to place of birth box, and  Alexander Francey and then just Bartholomew for the mum, in parents boxes.

First few returns should be Rebecca Letson (nee Francey).

Not quite seeing her death record at moment, but Monica will hopefully be able to point you to that.

Meantime, possibly her headstone:. see https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/167254174 .


Ok, update, Monica possibly has a paid for subscription to Ancestry. A quick parent search there in Philadelphia records, returns Rebecca Letson's 1933 death.

Tip:.  as you are new to research, it is a good idea to start by familiarising yourself with which sites are available, which offer free records, and which only offer paid for records. It can be a minefield, but you should soon become proficient at finding the best way through. Once you have exhausted free resources, it can be worthwhile considering a subscription to one of the major sites such as FindMyPast or Ancestry, depending on which might suit your needs best (and of course, cost).Both often have 'taster' style, free trials for short periods, so you can try before you buy.


(ps. I'm s c o t (no 's') m u m  ;D )
Title: Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
Post by: Forfarian on Saturday 24 November 18 11:14 GMT (UK)
Tip:.  as you are new to research, it is a good idea to start by familiarising yourself with which sites are available, which offer free records, and which only offer paid for records. It can be a minefield, but you should soon become proficient at finding the best way through. Once you have exhausted free resources, it can be worthwhile considering a subscription to one of the major sites such as FindMyPast or Ancestry, depending on which might suit your needs best (and of course, cost).Both often have 'taster' style, free trials for short periods, so you can try before you buy.
See https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=714261.0

For Ireland https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/
Title: Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
Post by: Triplog on Saturday 24 November 18 12:16 GMT (UK)
SCOTMUM!! I Apologise! I'm often guilty of trying to read too quickly and seeing what I THINK I've seen! Thank you again for your invaluable help and advice. Forfarian - again thank you - I am astounded at the amount of information and number of online sites. I'm also guilty of diving in too deep, finding (i.e. being given!) lots of information and going off at lots of tangents - thanks Scotmum for your advice on that front. The link you provided is very useful and enlightening! Time to slow down, take a deep breath and walk before I run.
Title: Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
Post by: Fenc on Wednesday 09 January 19 22:39 GMT (UK)
Hi. I'm trying to find details of the parents and children of William Francey (born c1857) and Agnes Ayre (born c1855) from the Bellshill/Mossend area. I can only find death certificates for the two of them so have their parents names also. Offspring names I'm aware of are Rebecca, Joseph, James Robert Lizzie and Mary, but that's all I know about them (apart from James owning the Mossend Bar, 607 Main Street, in 1936). I've attached the relevant death certificates.
Thanks for any help offered

Hi,
Have enjoyed reading these posts. Recognise many names here. You are on the right track .
My grandfather was James Francey who had eight children , all now deceased. Grandchildren, great grandchildren and great great grandchildren about.
Remember my mum's stories about aunts in Ireland(The family all spent time in Ireland -as they had a house there. Before my time, but cousins spent time there) and have a picture somewhere of Aunt Rebecca and Aunt Lizzie standing at a doorway with their "pinnies"on.
The brothers , Uncle Bob and Joe along with James , seemed to live in Scotland whilst sisters remained in Ireland.
Pub long gone. Think there are houses in its place now. Was known as Derby Inn for a long time after it was no longer familys.
Title: Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
Post by: Triplog on Thursday 10 January 19 23:54 GMT (UK)
WOW! That's a bolt from the blue! You'll be a long lost relation of mine then!!! I'm flabbergasted and excited! Can I pm you as I'll probably have photos etc which you can help me with and which may be of value to you?
Title: Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
Post by: Andrew C. on Friday 11 January 19 22:22 GMT (UK)
Hi Triplog we spoke previously on the Urban Glasgow site you confused me by saying the pub was the Mossend Bar I have never known this pub as anything other than the Derby Inn. It was a very big popular pub in itís heyday.


www.motherwelltimes.co.uk/news/mossend-pub-calls-time-1-4234395
Title: Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
Post by: Triplog on Saturday 12 January 19 12:40 GMT (UK)
Hello again Andrew, thanks for coming back. I'm not sure what era you may be talking about, i know when it was in the (extended) family it was known as the Mossend Bar - and certainly had that name up to at least 1960. As mentioned on the Urban Glasgow site I'd love to hear more about it and the surrounding area.
Title: Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
Post by: scotmum on Saturday 12 January 19 14:47 GMT (UK)
Triplog, another 'tangent', but I thought the following father and son links may make interesting (albeit in parts, in respect of Hughie, sad too), reading for you (accuracy might need cross-checked, as they are wikipedia links, but I think on the whole, they seem ok):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hughie_Gallacher

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackie_Gallacher

as both were mentioned as uncles of (albeit, I believe in reference to Jackie, it should have read as cousin), a Margaret Gallacher, who married at West Church on 6th June 1945, to William Francey, a son of Mr & Mrs James Francey, 601 Main Street, Mossend.
Title: Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
Post by: Triplog on Saturday 12 January 19 15:51 GMT (UK)
Hello and thank you again Scotmum! I haven't come across a Gallacher to date but I know very little about James Francey's siblings families (I'm waiting patiently and hoping Fenc comes back to me) and 607 to 601 Main Street is only a short danner away so it's all possible! Are you referring to West Church in Ballymena? Also can you help me by pointing to any resources which help relate ancestors to places of abode?

Thanks again
Title: Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
Post by: scotmum on Saturday 12 January 19 16:51 GMT (UK)
The West Church would have been Bellshill.

You can view old street maps online, eg https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/272500/659500/12/101098 (just use scrollbar on left of map site to find one closest to year you want),  but you can often also pick up copies of the old Ordnance Survey maps via eBay and suchlike, for c£3. I can see both a Bellshill and a Mossend one listed at moment, albeit for 1935 yr. To get you started and show you the possibilities when using the map site, I have emailed you a screenshot of the section that includes the cottages where you believe your dad was born.

Title: Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
Post by: Forfarian on Saturday 12 January 19 21:27 GMT (UK)
Another good site for old maps is https://maps.nls.uk/ which has complete coverage of the first and second editions of the Ordnance Survey six-inch and the first edition of the 25-inch, besides a huge range of county maps, town and estate plans, all free of charge, and the old OS maps can be compared with the satellite view at the click of a mouse.
Title: Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
Post by: Fenc on Sunday 13 January 19 23:25 GMT (UK)
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Title: Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
Post by: scotmum on Sunday 13 January 19 23:35 GMT (UK)
Fenc, it would be best if you edit your post to remove your email address, as it is not allowed to post such on the forum (for your privacy and to avoid you potentially being spammed).

If you then reply to my post, you should have reached the minimum needed to then use the Private Message system (click on the small circle with a written page, that appears below Triplog's username), and can share your email address with Triplog via that.

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
Post by: Fenc on Monday 14 January 19 00:18 GMT (UK)
Thanks Scotmum
Title: Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
Post by: Triplog on Monday 14 January 19 08:43 GMT (UK)
Thanks once again for your help and guidance Scotmum
Title: Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
Post by: Andrew C. on Monday 14 January 19 21:54 GMT (UK)
For your information Bellshill West Church is probably about a mile away from 607 Main Street at the opposite end of the Main Street.
Title: Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
Post by: Triplog on Monday 14 January 19 23:06 GMT (UK)
The weird coincidence is that the last job my grandfather (a carpenter) worked on was the re-roofing of West church Ballymena in 1926 (after a fire), he died just after this (from consumption as far as I'm aware).
Thanks Andrew C.
Title: Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
Post by: angefran on Sunday 10 February 19 02:49 GMT (UK)
My husbands great grandfather was William Francey married to Agnes Ayre from County Antrim. My father in laws name was Joseph Logan Ayre Francey - his father was also Joseph Logan Ayre Francey - his father was William Francey. My father in law married Joan Scott Bryson and they moved to Australia - which is where we live. Would love to compare notes - have some road blocks that can't seem to shift
Title: Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
Post by: scotmum on Sunday 10 February 19 09:00 GMT (UK)
angefran

You possibly already know that Joseph Logan Ayre Francey was born in 1894 at Islandmagee, near Larne. His birth was registered as Francis rather than Francey:

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ne6/
Title: Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
Post by: scotmum on Sunday 10 February 19 09:14 GMT (UK)
Assuming this was your father in law https://trove.nla.gov.au/work/9456956?selectedversion=NBD1638695, you may be intetrested to know that  whilst at senior school, he achieved a school Science prize in 1945, as listed in the local paper at the time. In his wedding notice of 1950 in the local paper, he is listed as B.Sc., so had obviously gone on to complete a university degree by then.
Title: Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
Post by: scotmum on Sunday 10 February 19 10:07 GMT (UK)
Triplog and angfran

For consideration.

PRONI have an 1873 will of a William Francy, Tullygarley, died aged 82, that mentions and makes a bequeath to, a grandson, William Francy, son of his son Alexander Francy. Nothing is left to said Alexander, perhaps suggesting he was already deceased. There was an Alexander Francey died in the area in 1869, aged 50 (certificate not yet available to view for free), that may be worth checking..
Title: Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
Post by: angefran on Sunday 10 February 19 11:52 GMT (UK)
Alexander Francey born abt 1835 marriage to Ellen Bartholomew about 1858 having trouble confirming this seems Ellen may also be Rebecca. William & Jane are their children Ive found but based on family knowledge there may be at least 5 others
Title: Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
Post by: Triplog on Sunday 10 February 19 14:19 GMT (UK)
This is all very exciting news! I was getting a bit frustrated as I had hit a few roadblocks. I'd decided to give it a rest for a while and do some work on my wife and my mothers families. On the Francey side it's nearly like there are two parallel families, many similar names but some different, some overlapping dates but other things which don't fit! Doh! I never was good at detective stories!
Firstly - Angefran - great to hear from you. I only knew of an Eleanor Logan who emigrated quite young (sometime before 1927) but her g g granparents were Joseph and Nancy Logan. So you and i have the same g g grandparents!!! I didn't have any dates for them, I only got their names from Wiliam Francey's death registration and didn't know of any children apart from William. I'll message you and get you email address and pass you whatever details I have at present.
Scotmum - at the moment that looks like great information which feeds into my 2 parallel family theory!!! (only joking ). I also have wills for William Francey dated 1873/4 and Rebecca Francey dated 1897. I can't fit them into the tree I have at present because of the dates and some of the children mentioned don't tie in. (but I think it helps with a mystery of my granny's birth (Rebecca) being registered by a Rebecca Francy who is also listed on a census as Mother in law and was born around 1818) I now need to draw out all these additions and try to make sense of them.
Once again - thank you to everyone for your invaluable help.
Title: Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
Post by: scotmum on Sunday 10 February 19 21:56 GMT (UK)
Earlier in thread I mentioned an "Alexander Francey  born  7th March 1883 in Larne district (out of district but worth checking)" and "William and three of his children were possibly the group at 9, Balgraybank Street, Glasgow, Dennistoun, Lanarkshire in 1901". One of those children being an Alex.

Which sits well with:

Alexander born at Islandmagee was indeed a son of William Francey and Agnes Ayre. In 1903, he enlisted in the Army, giving Islandmagee as place of birth. His parents were listed as next of kin, being William and Agnes, of 2 Down Street, Springburn, Glasgow. He was discharged at Plymouth in 1907, with a view to possible enlistment in the Canadian Royal Garrison Artillery.
Title: Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
Post by: Triplog on Sunday 10 February 19 22:25 GMT (UK)
Thanks Scotmum, I had started going back over all the earlier information to try and see if it made any more sense now. I'm at the stage of being slightly overwhelmed now with names and dates which look like they should make sense - but don't!
Title: Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
Post by: Triplog on Monday 11 February 19 19:46 GMT (UK)
Earlier in thread I mentioned an "Alexander Francey  born  7th March 1883 in Larne district (out of district but worth checking)" and "William and three of his children were possibly the group at 9, Balgraybank Street, Glasgow, Dennistoun, Lanarkshire in 1901". One of those children being an Alex.

Which sits well with:

Alexander born at Islandmagee was indeed a son of William Francey and Agnes Ayre. In 1903, he enlisted in the Army, giving Islandmagee as place of birth. His parents were listed as next of kin, being William and Agnes, of 2 Down Street, Springburn, Glasgow. He was discharged at Plymouth in 1907, with a view to possible enlistment in the Canadian Royal Garrison Artillery.


Scotmum, something isn't quite right about this. I have 2 family photographs of the Francey/Ayre family (about 30-40 years apart). In both photos I have had the 3 brothers confirmed as Joseph, James and Robert. There has never been a brother Alexander (that anyone remembers)
Title: Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
Post by: scotmum on Monday 11 February 19 22:46 GMT (UK)
In this instance, there is absolutely no reason to doubt the existence of Alexander, as the birth and Army records cross reference well with each other. There could be any number of reasons, though, for him not to have been in the photos you mention and/or to have not been discussed by his brothers. It may be worthwhile trying to find what became of him from 1907 onwards.

This death would certainly be worth checking:

FRANCEY
ALEXANDER
36
1919
625/3 213
Bellshill
Title: Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
Post by: Forfarian on Tuesday 12 February 19 10:23 GMT (UK)
Proof positive of the existence of Alexander.
Title: Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
Post by: Triplog on Tuesday 12 February 19 12:18 GMT (UK)
Forfarian - thank you, I have that registration document. I never doubted the existence of Alexander (and I apologise if it was read that way Scotmum!). It is in relation to our family that I was slightly shellshocked there has never been any trace of him in any of the photos I have, and no mention of him - although to be fair anyone who would have known have all passed away now. I now have to factor in another piece of a big puzzle!
I think I need a 6 foot by 6 foot whiteboard to do a lot of scribbling on now!!!
Title: Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
Post by: Forfarian on Tuesday 12 February 19 13:13 GMT (UK)
There has never been a brother Alexander (that anyone remembers)
My apologies, but that suggested to me that you were doubting his existence.
Title: Re: Francey/Ayre family in Bellshill or Mossend
Post by: Triplog on Tuesday 12 February 19 16:47 GMT (UK)
No apology necessary on your part. This is a steep learning curve for me, I didn't know a lot about my Grandmother's siblings apart from their names (and Alexander was never mentioned) so I shouldn't really be surprised when something like this pops up out of the blue!