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Title: Brides residence on Marriage cert
Post by: Alders on Thursday 22 November 18 14:32 GMT (UK)
Hello can anyone help?

I'm trying to trace back from the Marriage of Hannah Rigg & Robert Aitchison Carruthers whom were wed on March 13th 1848
image here https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/2197/48045_302022005601_1119-00231?pid=93188187&backurl=https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D2197%26h%3D93188187%26tid%3D111925486%26pid%3D120094045492%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DfQd6301%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=111925486&personid=120094045492&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=fQd6301&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true

My calculations are that she was 13 when she wed! I can't read where here residence is, hoping it will help me find her in 1841.  Thanks
Title: Re: Brides residence on Marriage cert
Post by: avm228 on Thursday 22 November 18 14:42 GMT (UK)
Northumberland St (which does seem to exist in Toxteth).
Title: Re: Brides residence on Marriage cert
Post by: Alders on Thursday 22 November 18 14:46 GMT (UK)
Lovely, thank you  :)
Title: Re: Brides residence on Marriage cert
Post by: avm228 on Thursday 22 November 18 14:50 GMT (UK)
I see that she remarried in 1859 (as a widow) to Hugh McQueen, but had reverted to the Carruthers name by 1871 - is that right?
Title: Re: Brides residence on Marriage cert
Post by: avm228 on Thursday 22 November 18 14:58 GMT (UK)
The address of the Rigg family (William, a joiner, and Margaret) was Burlington St at the time of their children's Liverpool baptisms:

Hannah, 22 Sep 1833
William, 23 Aug 1835
William George, 1 Jan 1837
George, 18 Mar 1838
Title: Re: Brides residence on Marriage cert
Post by: Alders on Thursday 22 November 18 15:58 GMT (UK)
The address of the Rigg family (William, a joiner, and Margaret) was Burlington St at the time of their children's Liverpool baptisms:

Hannah, 22 Sep 1833
William, 23 Aug 1835
William George, 1 Jan 1837
George, 18 Mar 1838
Thank you so much, i had to go & get the children from school so couldn't look right away! I find this webpage that would prove helpful Liverpool streets in the 1841 census
https://www.lswlfhs.org.uk/census/Streets1841/Htm-2/41ST-IND-N.htm
Title: Re: Brides residence on Marriage cert
Post by: Alders on Thursday 22 November 18 15:59 GMT (UK)
I see that she remarried in 1859 (as a widow) to Hugh McQueen, but had reverted to the Carruthers name by 1871 - is that right?
Yes that is her  :)
Title: Re: Brides residence on Marriage cert
Post by: avm228 on Thursday 22 November 18 16:22 GMT (UK)
If you look for (random person) Susanah Rice (b abt 1816) in Liverpool in the 1841 census you will find her in the middle of several pages covering Burlington St.

Based on a quick browse I didn't see anyone there matching the Rigg family.  I don't know whether there is any separate coverage of Burlington St. It was in a very poor and overcrowded area of Liverpool, and no doubt there might have been families who eluded the enumerator.
Title: Re: Brides residence on Marriage cert
Post by: CarolA3 on Friday 23 November 18 10:12 GMT (UK)
HO107/563/9/36/11  -  1841 Census  -  Burlington Street

William RIGG          35    Joiner J(ourneyman)
Margaret  "             30
Hannah    "               7
John        "              21 months

All born in county (Lancs) except William.  The letter in his last column looks like an S (for Scotland) more than an I (for Ireland) compared with other entries on the facing page, in my opinion.

At the same address but listed as a separate household is Margaret MASON, 55, Ind(ependent), not born in county.

Hope this helps :)

Carol
Title: Re: Brides residence on Marriage cert
Post by: avm228 on Friday 23 November 18 10:20 GMT (UK)
Brilliant, Carol :)

Possible birth reg for John:

John William Rigg, mother’s maiden name Shepherd, Sep qtr 1839 Liverpool 20 388.

Baptised 22 September 1839: John William Rigg, son of William (joiner) & Margaret, of Burlington St.
Title: Re: Brides residence on Marriage cert
Post by: avm228 on Friday 23 November 18 10:25 GMT (UK)
Deaths which may be relevant:

George Rigg aged 0, Dec qtr 1838 Liverpool 20 303

Margaret Rigg aged 33, Sep qtr 1841 Liverpool 20 281

William Rigg aged 47, Mar qtr 1848 Liverpool 20 437

John William Rigg aged 8, Jun qtr 1848 Liverpool 20 217
Title: Re: Brides residence on Marriage cert
Post by: CarolA3 on Friday 23 November 18 10:26 GMT (UK)
 :-[  It wasn't me so much as the address search on The Genealogist :D
Title: Re: Brides residence on Marriage cert
Post by: avm228 on Friday 23 November 18 10:33 GMT (UK)
:-[  It wasn't me so much as the address search on The Genealogist :D

Whatever works :D
Title: Re: Brides residence on Marriage cert
Post by: CarolA3 on Friday 23 November 18 10:50 GMT (UK)
Exactly!

If you've got the right death reg, William was barely cold when Hannah married.  He's 'dead' on the marriage record.

Carol
Title: Re: Brides residence on Marriage cert
Post by: avm228 on Friday 23 November 18 11:04 GMT (UK)
Yes, unfortunately I can’t easily see a burial for William.

Family burials at St John’s, Liverpool:

08 Feb 1836: William Rigg, son of William (joiner) & Margt of Burlington St, aged 6 months.

24 May 1837: William Rigg, son of William Rigg of Burlington St, aged 5 months.

11 Nov 1838: George Rigg, of Burlington St, aged 3 months.