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General => Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing => Topic started by: sugarfizzle on Thursday 22 November 18 15:55 GMT (UK)
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My LivingDNA results are in today and to say I am underwhelmed is an understatement.
'Keep Fishing! We haven't caught you any matches yet. Finding new relatives means fishing for them in many databases. Spread the word and help turn this fishing pond into an ocean of new matches.'
So, you could say I am expressing my disappointment, or you could say I am spreading the word. Take it whichever way you want to.
Regards Margaret
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Cross post with Hmootm at about the same time, at least they got one match!!
Regards Margaret
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I'm in the same boat as you :-)
Got all excited as it told me I was selected for the next beta phase, so signed in when I got home, and no matches at all....
Did you look at the example 'tree' though ? Bottom row shows a Monty Sanford, with a ladies picture saying the predicted relationship is Grandfather !!!! doesn't bode well
Richard
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Another thread:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=804098.0
Think I'm glad that I withdrew my data a while ago.
Gadget
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Same thing happened to me. I received a notification that my results were in.
I had taken the LivingDNA test some time ago and then uploaded my raw Ancestry file a month ago and lo and behold, LivingDNA had one match. Me!
But I (we) only match at the 98.47% level which they say is an identical twin!
You have to chuckle.
:)
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Another thread:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=804098.0
Think I'm glad that I withdrew my data a while ago.
Gadget
Can you explain why? It's not really helping LivingDNA for you to encourage people to do so.
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Why?
The reasons are given on another (earlier) thread - maybe Sept/Oct.
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Melba - I don't discourage other people to withdraw or not submit. Living DNA are doing it all by themselves. This thread is an example.
I think you are being rather rude and are clearly not reading all the discussions about Living DNA on here.
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As an example, you could have read the other comments on this and other threads - e.g. from Margaret:
My LivingDNA results are in today and to say I am underwhelmed is an understatement.
'Keep Fishing! We haven't caught you any matches yet. Finding new relatives means fishing for them in many databases. Spread the word and help turn this fishing pond into an ocean of new matches.'
So, you could say I am expressing my disappointment, or you could say I am spreading the word. Take it whichever way you want to.
Regards Margaret
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Bumble, it is a highly important science, still in its infancy, and, while extremely complex to non-specialists, its accuracy is beyond doubt. It is the family history test companies who mislead many, through their thinly veiled suggestions about ethnicity.
Martin
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Melba - I don't discourage other people to withdraw or not submit. Living DNA are doing it all by themselves. This thread is an example.
I think you are being rather rude and are clearly not reading all the discussions about Living DNA on here.
Not being rude, I did read the old thread many times, you just always seemed to take an overwhelmingly hostile attitude to LivingDNA, even implying something dodgy or nefarious regarding their use of data, which was completely unfounded, as the DNA matching service was no different to any of the other providers regarding privacy. That can't have helped in getting people to submit their data or agree to be part of the OneFamily One World tree.
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??? ??? ??? I asked Ruskie how she managed to get her data deleted and she told me. I can't say that I could have been hostile.
You are accusing me of something that I've not said. Are you confusing me with someone else ??? ???
Not being rude, I did read the old thread many times, you just always seemed to take an overwhelmingly hostile attitude to LivingDNA, even implying something dodgy or nefarious regarding their use of data, which was completely unfounded, as the DNA matching service was no different to any of the other providers regarding privacy. That can't have helped in getting people to submit their data or agree to be part of the OneFamily One World tree.
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I commented on their assumptions about ethnicity and geographical ethnicity but so did many others. I'm really not sure why you are criticizing me alone.
Why are you being so protective of them?
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I commented on their assumptions about ethnicity and geographical ethnicity but so did many others. I'm really not sure why you are criticizing me alone.
Why are you being so protective of them?
I am not being protective of them, I just think there was a lot of unfair criticism that was specifically directed towards LivingDNA, which descended into you and Ruskie stirring up an atmosphere that encouraged people to delete their data, when what they are doing, with both the Family Networks- exactly the same as both Ancestry DNA matches, and the MyHeritage matches, just under a different name, and the getting pure matches of four grandparents from the same area, is also EXACTLY what both 23andme and Ancestry have done in an effort to gain new samples in countries they have weaknesses in regarding their DNA databases.
I think we should be trying to support the only UK DNA company, and the only one that has attempted to build a more accurate UK and Irish DNA map, not criticising them for things that all the other companies have done.
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This is ridiculous. You're exaggerating. Ruskie said she'd asked for her data to be deleted because the info that we'd get for an upload was limited. I asked her how she did it.
I don't think either of us encouraged people by stirring up an atmosphere of anything~
I just think there was a lot of unfair criticism that was specifically directed towards LivingDNA, which descended into you and Ruskie stirring up an atmosphere that encouraged people to delete their data,
End of.
Sorry, Margaret. I'm not sure why melba is being hostile and blaming me for all this, when others were talking about the limited results they had received. ???
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Melba, I’ve no knowledge or real interest in DNA, but I’ve just read the thread I think you refer to, and personally I can see no ‘descent’ into stirring up an atmosphere or encouraging of people to delete their data, simply people expressing their opinions about something, which they are quite entitled to do.
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It is probably just going to be a waiting game for you Margaret. My OH took an FTDNA Y-DNA test years ago and is still waiting for a decent match. His family history is all English/Welsh/Scottish/Irish as far as the paper trail goes, just seems that all ancestors and their descendants stayed in England/Wales/Scotland/Ireland and none of them have taken Y-DNA tests, hence no matches.
Maybe Living DNA have a small UK based database, hence your lack of matches?
There were a couple of reasons I decided to delete my data from Living DNA:
1. I couldn't find my way around their website and kept ending up on the same page.
2. They were pushing their One World Family thingy and I did not want to be part of that.
3. There was nothing of interest for me on their website.
4. I overestimated (or misunderstood) the value or benefit that uploading my data would have.
:)
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Wow. That made interesting reading!
Melba, At no time did Gadget or Ruskie encourage others to remove their data from LivingDNA, merely commenting on their particular reasons for doing so, and their problems in doing so. And if anyone is being hostile, I think you maybe looking at the wrong person.
I respect both of their decisions, but decided to wait it out myself. My results speak for themselves.
I will leave my DNA there for the moment, will consider what to do next. I am not at this stage going to upload my husband's DNA there. I am not going to suggest LivingDNA in future posts to those who ask 'Where shall I upload my data to?' I will stick with the usual Gedmatch, familytreeDNA and myheritageDNA. But testers are welcome to do their own research and decide.
Are you going to recommend them? Fair enough if you do, your choice entirely. What results have you had back from them?
Regards Margaret
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It is probably just going to be a waiting game for you Margaret. My OH took an FTDNA Y-DNA test years ago and is still waiting for a decent match. His family history is all English/Welsh/Scottish/Irish as far as the paper trail goes, just seems that all ancestors and their descendants stayed in England/Wales/Scotland/Ireland and none of them have taken Y-DNA tests, hence no matches.
Maybe Living DNA have a small UK based database, hence your lack of matches?
There were a couple of reasons I decided to delete my data from Living DNA:
1. I couldn't find my way around their website and kept ending up on the same page.
2. They were pushing their One World Family thingy and I did not want to be part of that.
3. There was nothing of interest for me on their website.
4. I overestimated (or misunderstood) the value or benefit that uploading my data would have.
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I think what you say is fair enough, but you did say
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=801138.0 (https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=801138.0)
"This takes me to a scary page asking me to opt in to Family Networks which looks like it requires me to sign my life away. "
this was later followed by accusations that Living DNA's sampling method of getting four grandparents born within a certain area was nonsense by many posters, when this was completely unfair as it is literally exactly what Ancestry and 23andme have done for their own ethnicity estimates for years and involves the same sort of terms of service and data usage agreements. The FamilyNetworks is also exactly the same thing as the DNA matches on Ancestry and MyHeritage, but putting into a visual potential tree format - I believe MyHeritage are planning something similar. Add to that claims of racism, it descended into a hysteria where people wanted to get their data removed which I just found completely unfair on this small UK company, and completely unhelpful for those in Scotland and Ireland who want to have a more specific county by county breakdown of the ethnicity results.
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Gee Melba, I think you are over dramatising a bit. ;D
I don't deny other companies do simiar things with similar terms and conditons, but I don't join them either. :)
Added: Yes, I did find the page requesting all my personal information a bit "scary" and I did not feel comfortable signing up for it.
Added: You exaggerate - There wasn't a mass exodus of people from Living DNA as you are implying - it was only me and Gadget. :(
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So I got an email to say my regional results were in. It's just a bit of fun but I logged on to see what they came up with, no sign of any ethnicity results at all? Has anyone found it?
H x
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When I first log in it tells me what tests I have taken and what their status is i.e. complete. Do you get that?
After that then there is a box to tick to view test. Do you have that ?
When clicking the box it gives the option of a video tour. I suggest taking the tour although not essential. If you don't take the tour it takes you to a test homepage.
On the test homepage their are three large icons. One for family ancestry and the other two for maternal and paternal ancestry.
It is on the family ancestry icon that you find the ethnicity stuff (the tour explains this and more)
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Thank you David, I was trying to find it on my mobile but no sign, I checked my laptop and found it where you said.
H x
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Perhaps Ruskie could let us all know what indecent Y results her OH experienced?
I think quite a few of us who took both Y & Mt might say we're underwhelmed but maybe we were expecting too much? When you consider that Mt genetic distance 0 might cover 1,000 years (I know, there are exceptions) that's an awful lot of female matches beyond the reach of paper records. Possibly similar for Y? A relative started off as R-M269, refined to R-U106, further to R-Z155 and at the latest, shares with 1 other, BYxxxxx or similar...with absolutely no idea how, where or when they connected. The next Y tree may see them parted...
It's quite understandable that more concentrate on autosomal because it can produce more results that connect with paper and is so much more fun to play with, imo. Of course one shouldn't ignore the ethnicity furore: several peas from the same pod and one has an "Amerindian" segment not shared by any other. Yet if the same data is plugged into another "Gedmatch Admixture", the "Amerindian" vanishes! Interesting pictures abound, do try it for yourselves.
On top of that, how about phasing? Check out Double Match Triangulation (DMT) and to hold and control all your data and to save your drowning in speadsheets, Genome Mate Pro (GMP).
I haven't had such fun for ages...I need to get a life, I know, but circumstances dictate...and I'm another waiting patiently for LivingDNA.
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My LivingDNA results are in today and to say I am underwhelmed is an understatement.
'Keep Fishing! We haven't caught you any matches yet. Finding new relatives means fishing for them in many databases. Spread the word and help turn this fishing pond into an ocean of new matches.'
So, you could say I am expressing my disappointment, or you could say I am spreading the word. Take it whichever way you want to.
Regards Margaret
Email on 22 Nov said
'We're very excited to share that you are in the next group of users to gain access to our Family Networks beta!', with the previously quoted 'Keep fishing' message on the actual site.
Today's message is slightly different, to say the least! -
'Hi there,
Thank you for participating in our DNA upload program. Unfortunately, it seems that there was an issue with the data file that you uploaded to us which means that we have not been able to process your DNA. We are eager to provide you with our top-notch regional breakdown, firstly we will require you to re-upload your data.'
They aren't exactly doing themselves any favours by implying that I have matches, when in fact they haven't even processed my DNA after more than 2 months!
I wonder if I am the only one in this situation. Are the regional results worth waiting for, davidft and Hmootm?
Regards Margaret
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Oh no, how annoying :(
My regional results were similar to ancestry but ancestry are more detailed. Ancestry said I was 72% Ireland/Scotland and pinpointed my dna to county mayo in Ireland which is actually where my maternal side are from. Living dna just said I was 98% European and 69% of that was Ireland/Scotland, no further details.
H x
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Are the regional results worth waiting for, davidft and Hmootm?
Regards Margaret
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As you know I am a bit of a sceptic regarding all this ethnicity DNA mapping. However that said interestingly enough the regional results I got from LivingDNA are the ones I can most make sense of!
I would say hang on in there they may come good.
I know there has been a fair bit of LivingDNA bashing going on, on here recently and whilst I have my reservations about them as has been expressed in the past I keep faith with them as they are an alternative to the big four of Ancestry, MyHeritage, ftDNA and 23andme. The way I look at it the more contenders we have the more likely they are to drive the "science" forward and not get complacent and slap dash, or is that wishful thing? ;)
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Oh no, how annoying :(
My regional results were similar to ancestry but ancestry are more detailed. Ancestry said I was 72% Ireland/Scotland and pinpointed my dna to county mayo in Ireland which is actually where my maternal side are from. Living dna just said I was 98% European and 69% of that was Ireland/Scotland, no further details.
H x
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Re the bit in bold. Are you sure about that? You have to drill further down to see the regional bits
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Oh no, how annoying :(
My regional results were similar to ancestry but ancestry are more detailed. Ancestry said I was 72% Ireland/Scotland and pinpointed my dna to county mayo in Ireland which is actually where my maternal side are from. Living dna just said I was 98% European and 69% of that was Ireland/Scotland, no further details.
H x
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Re the bit in bold. Are you sure about that? You have to drill further down to see the regional bits
I had another look, I had moved the slider over to sub regions, it just says Ireland. The info when you click on the region says they are in the process of expanding there Irish database, maybe it will show more detail in the future.
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I had another look, I had moved the slider over to sub regions, it just says Ireland. The info when you click on the region says they are in the process of expanding there Irish database, maybe it will show more detail in the future.
Its a long time since I got my results but if I remember correctly I got the national results before the regional results. Perhaps someone else will be able to confirm if similar happened to them.
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M
Today's message is slightly different, to say the least! -
'Hi there,
Thank you for participating in our DNA upload program. Unfortunately, it seems that there was an issue with the data file that you uploaded to us which means that we have not been able to process your DNA. We are eager to provide you with our top-notch regional breakdown, firstly we will require you to re-upload your data.'
They aren't exactly doing themselves any favours by implying that I have matches, when in fact they haven't even processed my DNA after more than 2 months!
I wonder if I am the only one in this situation. Are the regional results worth waiting for, davidft and Hmootm?
Regards Margaret
I have this same email Margaret, came today. Not quite sure what I will do about it.
Pheno
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Did you test with living DNA David? Maybe I only have a vague version as I tested with ancestry and just uploaded my test to living DNA?
H x
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Did you test with living DNA David? Maybe I only have a vague version as I tested with ancestry and just uploaded my test to living DNA?
H x
Yes I tested anew with Living DNA. Have a search in their online help you may find an answer there or if not ping them an email. When I contacted them with an inquiry they replied promptly, even if the answer was not exactly what I wanted to hear. Good luck.
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Oh no, how annoying :(
My regional results were similar to ancestry but ancestry are more detailed. Ancestry said I was 72% Ireland/Scotland and pinpointed my dna to county mayo in Ireland which is actually where my maternal side are from. Living dna just said I was 98% European and 69% of that was Ireland/Scotland, no further details.
H x
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Re the bit in bold. Are you sure about that? You have to drill further down to see the regional bits
I had another look, I had moved the slider over to sub regions, it just says Ireland. The info when you click on the region says they are in the process of expanding there Irish database, maybe it will show more detail in the future.
That is indeed the case hmootm, the recent drive to get people to upload their DNA results, up to the 1st October, was specifically to try and get pure Irish and Scottish samples, as well as most of the rest of the world. Their English and Welsh DNA database was based on the Oxford University People of the British Isles study so is much more detailed, possibly the most detailed available amongst all the companies at the moment.
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Hi there,
Thank you for participating in our DNA upload program. Unfortunately, it seems that there was an issue with the data file that you uploaded to us which means that we have not been able to process your DNA. We are eager to provide you with our top-notch regional breakdown, firstly we will require you to re-upload your data.'
I received the same message last week.
Today I received an email to say they'd sorted out the problems and I will now be able to see my results by logging in to my Living DNA portal.
BUT how do I do that?
If I click on the DNA tab and then click 'sign in' it takes me to the FindMyPast homepage which I'm already logged into.
Probably just me being dim ::)
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I've figured it out now ::)
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Yes exactly the same happened to me bearkat about the results now able to be analysed and if I login I can see the regions and yes where to login.
However, eventually figured out that your Living dna login has nothing to do with your FindMyPast login and you need to go to the Living dna website and login. Not very clear is it.
My ethnicity breakdown is nothing like my Ancestry one and is nothing like my paper trail either. Goodness knows where Aberdeenshire, Cornwall, Devon and Northumbria come from as I have no known ancestry from any of these places.
Pheno
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A link to the log-in page would have been helpful.
The results are different from other sites I've uploaded the results to - generally narrower with nothing beyond the UK.
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The results are different from other sites I've uploaded the results to - generally narrower with nothing beyond the UK.
I was under the impression that LivingDNA was set up to deal only with UK research, or perhaps British Isles, but not the rest of the world :-\
Carol
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My OH's LivingDNA results show areas outside the UK.
My Ancestry results show areas beyond the UK but LivingDNA's do not.
It may just be the size of the database.