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I am researching John Hoadley (1784-1878). He was the brother of my direct ancestor William.
During my research I have been reading that he was married three times but I can only find reference to two.
On 15 July 1828 he married Sarah Spencer in Halifax, England. She died in 1832 and was buried somewhere in Halifax.
John married Hannah Crowther (a widow at the time of the marriage, maiden name is Beach) on 6 December 1838 again in Halifax.
There is a reference to a marriage between Hannah Spivey and John in 1818 in the same place as the other marriages but I am unable to confirm if this is correct.
John and Sarah had two daughters; Sarah (1829-1916) and Elizabeth (1831-1901). Both died in the US.
John and Hannah (Beach/Crowther) had one son and one daughter.
Ann was born in 1823 and died in 1912 in the US. John was born in 1821 and died the following year in Halifax. Hannah died in the same place in 1827.
I have a bit more information but I think this post is complicated as it is so I won't say any more unless someone is able to help me sort this puzzle out.
Thanks for reading.
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John Hoadley was a widower when he married Sarah Spencer.
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13 December 1818 - St John the Baptist, KIRKHEATON (Huddersfield rather than Halifax) :)
John Hoadley and Hannah Spivey, Both of this parish, and both signed.
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I did know that, thanks :)
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Just to add to Jen's info a prior marriage for John Hoadley to Hannah Spivey took place on 13 Dec 1818 at St. John the Baptist, Kirkheaton.
Pheno
Sorry crossed posts - but that is your 3rd marriage isn't it? and you said you knew about it but then asked for details of a 3rd marriage ???
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13 December 1818 - St John the Baptist, KIRKHEATON (Huddersfield rather than Halifax) :)
John Hoadley and Hannah Spivey, Both of this parish, and both signed.
That's the one I found during my research.
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So what are you looking for?
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I specified what I'm looking for in my message.
Although I have seen that marriage before I cannot confirm when/where she died. There is no evidence to suggest that John and his children travelled with anyone else. One Hannah and Sarah died in Halifax BEFORE John went to the US.
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Just to add to Jen's info a prior marriage for John Hoadley to Hannah Spivey took place on 13 Dec 1818 at St. John the Baptist, Kirkheaton.
Pheno
Sorry crossed posts - but that is your 3rd marriage isn't it? and you said you knew about it but then asked for details of a 3rd marriage ???
If you read my post I am asking about the supposed 1818 marriage to Hannah Spivey.
I have confirmed the other marriages in 1828 and 1838.
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1818 was the first marriage followed by one in 1828 and 1838. I have confirmation of these marriages from another website.
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Well I have to disagree that you specified that you were looking for a death of a previous Mrs. Hannah Hoadley prior to his marriage to Sarah Spencer in 1828.
Anyhow we can now turn our thinking caps to this task.
Pheno
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If you read the post I clearly said I was trying to clarify the first marriage.
John and Sarah were widowed when they married. The same applies when he married Hannah Crowther. I am currently looking for the first husbands of these women which shouldn't be too difficult.
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So -
John Hoadley was born 1784 - where? He is the brother of William Hoadley - born when and where?
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Gibby1968 - please don't get so "up tight".
You gave us a lead to the first marriage, and we have confirmed that there is such a marriage between John Hoadley and Hannah Spivey in 1818 - not in Halifax, but in Kirkheaton, which is in Huddersfield and not too distant from Halifax.
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John married Hannah Crowther (a widow at the time of the marriage, maiden name is Beach) on 6 December 1838 again in Halifax.
John and Hannah (Beach/Crowther) had one son and one daughter.
Ann was born in 1823 and died in 1912 in the US. John was born in 1821 and died the following year in Halifax. Hannah died in the same place in 1827.
I am trying to understand this family. You say that John & Hannah Crowther married in 1838. But that their children were born in 1823 and 1821?
Surely the John born in 1821 was the son of the marriage between John Hoadley and Hannah Spivey?
There also appears to have been a daughter, Frances, born 1819?
This John Hoadley, father of Frances and John, was a woodturner. Does that tie in with the occupation of the John Hoadley who married Sarah Spencer and then Hannah Crowther?
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OK - baptisms at St John, Halifax:
8 August 1819 - Frances, daughter of John and Hannah Hoadley - Halifax - Wood Turner
3 June 1821 - John, son of John and Hannah Hoadley - Halifax - Wood Turner
St James, Halifax:
8 May 1832 - Sarah, daughter of John and Sarah Hoadley of Halifax - Wood Turner - born 2 April 1829
8 May 1832 - Elizabeth daughter of John and Sarah Hoadley of Halifax - Wood Turner - born 5 March 1831
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OK - baptisms at St John, Halifax:
8 August 1819 - Frances, daughter of John and Hannah Hoadley - Halifax - Wood Turner
3 June 1821 - John, son of John and Hannah Hoadley - Halifax - Wood Turner
Add to that Ann daughter of John Hoadley and Hannah Spivey, born June 1823, baptised at Methodist New Connection, Halifax in July 1823.
So if this is the same Joan Hoadley as married Sarah Spencer in1828, there is a window between 1823 and 1828 in which to find Hannah (Spivey's) death.
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So -
John Hoadley was born 1784 - where? He is the brother of William Hoadley - born when and where?
John and William were born in Farnham, Yorkshire and were the sons of Thomas and Fanny Hoadley.
The family emigrated to the US in 1842. John didn't arrive there until 1844.
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John married Hannah Crowther (a widow at the time of the marriage, maiden name is Beach) on 6 December 1838 again in Halifax.
John and Hannah (Beach/Crowther) had one son and one daughter.
Ann was born in 1823 and died in 1912 in the US. John was born in 1821 and died the following year in Halifax. Hannah died in the same place in 1827.
I am trying to understand this family. You say that John & Hannah Crowther married in 1838. But that their children were born in 1823 and 1821?
Surely the John born in 1821 was the son of the marriage between John Hoadley and Hannah Spivey?
There also appears to have been a daughter, Frances, born 1819?
This John Hoadley, father of Frances and John, was a woodturner. Does that tie in with the occupation of the John Hoadley who married Sarah Spencer and then Hannah Crowther?
John was a woodturner.
Children as follows;
John and Sarah had Sarah in 1829 and Elizabeth in 1831
John and Hannah Spivey had Ann in 1823 and Mary in 1825
John and Hannah Crowther had John in 1821 (died 1822) and Ann in 1823. She died in 1912 and one of the children to travel with her father to the US.
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Just to clarify as there seems to be some confusion;
There were two ladies called Hannah and one Sarah.
One Hannah was a widow when she married John and so was Sarah.
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John and Hannah Crowther had John in 1821 (died 1822) and Ann in 1823. She died in 1912 and one of the children to travel with her father to the US.
So I repeat what I said earlier: John married Hannah Crowther in 1838, but according to what you’ve said their children were born in 1821 and 1823?
there seems to be some confusion
I have to agree.
Ann was born in 1823 and died in 1912 in the US. John was born in 1821 and died the following year in Halifax. Hannah died in the same place in 1827.
Who is this Hannah who died in 1827?
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Obviously the children born in the 1820's belonged to the other Hannah.
Hannah Spivey perhaps?
All I know is that one Hannah and Sarah died before John travelled to the US in 1844. I don't yet know what happened to the second Hannah but I do know that the children and John did not travel with anyone called Hannah.
I have picture of John's gravestone in Ohio but it is too badly worn to read. In the same graveyard are his daughters Ann and Sarah.
I am still working on this family and I hope at some stage things will become clearer.
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Is this the family in 1841 - HO107/1300/7 folio 49 page 26 - Gibbet Street, Halifax
John Hoadley - 45 - Machine ?
Hannah - 50
William Spencer - 15
Ann Hoadley - 15
Sarah Hoadley - 12
Elizabeth Hoadley - 16 All born in county
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Obviously the children born in the 1820's belonged to the other Hannah.
Hannah Spivey perhaps?
Ann certainly did, as I pointed out in reply #16
OK - baptisms at St John, Halifax:
8 August 1819 - Frances, daughter of John and Hannah Hoadley - Halifax - Wood Turner
3 June 1821 - John, son of John and Hannah Hoadley - Halifax - Wood Turner
Add to that Ann daughter of John Hoadley and Hannah Spivey, born June 1823, baptised at Methodist New Connection, Halifax in July 1823.
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Yes, I think that's them, thanks.
I was just about to start looking for more information on the family.
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Thanks Jen.
I have all that information and I was just about to go see if I could find each wife's death and burial.
Back in a bit.
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Hannah died in the same place in 1827.
I can’t find this death/ burial in 1827.
Can you say exactly what information you have ? Do you know her age?
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From Findagrave: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/43374135/john-hoadley
Greenwood Cemetery, Zanesville, Muskingham County, Ohio
John Hoadley - born 1794, died 26 June 1878 - aged 83/84
Ann Hoadley - born June 1823, died 25 March 1912
1900 US Census shows Ann Hoadley in Zanesville, aged 76 and immigrated 1842 (58 years)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MM66-TSF
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33 years old so born about 1794. I have an image from the register attached to my ancestry tree.
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Farnham - Yorkshire - BT's
John Hoadley son of Thomas Hoadley of Farnham, baptised 22 March 1794
William Hoadley son of Thomas and Fanney Hoadley of Farnham, baptised 30 April 1786
I haven't looked for any other siblings.
Transcription only - no image
16 April 1780 - Farnham - Thomas Hoadley and Fanny Burniston
Added: image says that Thomas is a Husbandman - and I can't make out what it says prior to Thomas Hoadley
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33 years old so born about 1794. I have an image from the register attached to my ancestry tree.
On the baptism of two of their daughters it states that Hannah Spivey was the daughter of Eli Spivey.
A Hannah Spivey, daughter of Eli Spivey was baptised on 1st September 1793.
Which fits pretty well with the age at death you have quoted of Hannah Hoadley in 1827.
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That's brillant, thanks for that ;D
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I will need to look back at those baptisms.
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Not sure whether JenB gave full details of the other Hoadley baptism at Salem Chapel, Halifax:
4 January 1826 - Mary, born ?5 August? 1825, 4th child of John Hoadley by his wife Hannah daughter of Ely Spivey of Huddersfield, Cloth Dresser.
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I have details of all the children that I found a while ago.
Just trying to clear up the confusion with his wives.
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I don't understand the confusion with the wives - but then it's not my family.
Three marriage involving John Hoadley:
1 - 1818 in Huddersfield - Hannah Spivey - no indication of any previous marriage for either.
2 - 1828 in Halifax - Sarah Spencer - widower and widow (by Licence)
3 - 1838 in Halifax - Hannah Crowther - details not available other than page 227 of GRO Index - transcription by FS says both are widowed. :-\
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Yes, I know all that. Thanks.
I meant the confusion as to which children belonged to which mother.
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Surely date of birth/baptism has a part to play in which mother is which :-\ :-\
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Obviously not when it only says Hannah Hoadley? ???
How am I supposed to know which is which when I get conflicting information?
I thought this forum was supposed to be helpful and friendly? It starts off that way then someone will say that they don't know what I'm asking while others can be extremely sarcastic.
I think it's time to end this thread now as I don't seem to be getting anywhere. I am following up a possible burial place for Hannah and Sarah and the children who died in England before John travelled to the US.
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I don't seem to be getting anywhere.
I'm sorry you feel like that. I for one have spent quite a bit of time on this, and felt I had assisted you to make some progress.
I don't quite see how you can't differentiate the children born to each Hannah ( I am trying to be helpful :) )
It seems likely Hannah Spivey/Hoadley died in 1827, so it seems reasonable to assume that the children born before that date were hers and Johns (this is backed up by her surname being on two of the baptisms, the most recent being in 1826).
Any children born to Hannah Crowther, who you say married John in 1838 will surely be born after that date?
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Not sure whether I've been looking at your Ancestry tree, but someone has the following information:
Image of the transcription of burial register at Salem Chapel, Halifax:
Grave No: 177
John son of John and Hannah Hoadley of Halifax died 16 March 1822, aged 1 year 3 months
Mary daughter of above died 8 December 1826, aged 1 year 4 months
Above Hannah Hoadley died 28 January 1827, aged 33 years
Sarah, wife of above died 6 October 1832, aged 37 years
The tree also has Sarah Spencer as Sarah Kenyon (there is a marriage between James Spencer and Sarah Kenyon - 15 March 1819 - St John the Baptist, Halifax)
Hannah Crowther has been entered on this tree as Hannah Beach, who dies in Bradford 9 June 1857.
I am sceptical of this tree :-\
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I'm saying some peeps on here have been helpful and others not so.
JenB is one who has given me a lot of help and I am grateful.
I have been looking at this family and have come to the conclusion that the children born before 1827 were Hannah Spivey's children. As one child died before Hannah I wonder if they are connected? No way of knowing as I cannot get a death certificate.
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Not sure whether I've been looking at your Ancestry tree, but someone has the following information:
Image of the transcription of burial register at Salem Chapel, Halifax:
Grave No: 177
John son of John and Hannah Hoadley of Halifax died 16 March 1822, aged 1 year 3 months
Mary daughter of above died 8 December 1826, aged 1 year 4 months
Above Hannah Hoadley died 28 January 1827, aged 33 years
Sarah, wife of above died 6 October 1832, aged 37 years
The tree also has Sarah Spencer as Sarah Kenyon (there is a marriage between James Spencer and Sarah Kenyon - 15 March 1819 - St John the Baptist, Halifax)
Hannah Crowther has been entered on this tree as Hannah Beach, who dies in Bradford 9 June 1857.
I am sceptical of this tree :-\
I have all those dates, thanks. I stated this further up the thread :-)
I also need to chase up the first marriages of Sarah and Hannah Beach to Mr Crowther.
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If it's true that Hannah died in 1857 where did she go before this? ???
I look at ancestry trees to see if I can get any clues but I never take any notice of them as most do not have sources to back them up.
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Hannah Hoadley who dies in 1857 in Bradford was aged 69 - GRO information.
The other Hannah Hoadley who dies in 1857 (in Leeds) was aged 60.
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Think I have just about sorted the children.
I have Ann Hoadley (1823-1912) who went to the US with her family left to attach to a mother.
I think she's Hannah's Spivey's child as well?
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Hannah Spivey was born about 1794 and the other Hannah about 1791.
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Think I have just about sorted the children.
I have Ann Hoadley (1823-1912) who went to the US with her family left to attach to a mother.
I think she's Hannah's Spivey's child as well?
Her baptism states that she is the child of John Hoadley and Hannah Spivey. (as on my reply #16)
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Must have missed that one, thanks.
I'll update my tree and carry on looking for Hannah Beach's first marriage and also Sarah's.
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From Findagrave: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/43374135/john-hoadley
Greenwood Cemetery, Zanesville, Muskingham County, Ohio
John Hoadley - born 1794, died 26 June 1878 - aged 83/84
Ann Hoadley - born June 1823, died 25 March 1912
1900 US Census shows Ann Hoadley in Zanesville, aged 76 and immigrated 1842 (58 years)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MM66-TSF
Already have this info, thanks.
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Is this the family in 1841 - HO107/1300/7 folio 49 page 26 - Gibbet Street, Halifax
John Hoadley - 45 - Machine ?
Hannah - 50
William Spencer - 15
Ann Hoadley - 15
Sarah Hoadley - 12
Elizabeth Hoadley - 16 All born in county
Seen this also, thanks.
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1851 Census:
HO 107/2319 folio 160 page 10 - Leeds
Hannah Hoadley is aged 52 and unmarried.
HO107/2298 folio 141 page 1 - Halifax
Hannah Hoadley is married (no husband at home) aged 56
Jane Crowther - 22
Elizabeth Crowther - 19
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Gibby1968 - please don't get so "up tight".
You gave us a lead to the first marriage, and we have confirmed that there is such a marriage between John Hoadley and Hannah Spivey in 1818 - not in Halifax, but in Kirkheaton, which is in Huddersfield and not too distant from Halifax.
Also have this now, thanks.
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My apologies in advance for asking this question:
Your tree on Ancestry - are you the owner = PlamondenTuttle?
I await your response before venturing further :-\
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I certainly am not.
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Very, very, glad to hear it :-*
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My tree is private.
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And I check my information carefully unlike many others.
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Possible candidates for first marriage of Sarah ???? to Mr Spencer - all marriages at St John the Baptist, Halifax:
Thomas Spencer and Sarah Fletcher - 15 April 1818
James Spencer and Sarah Kenyon - 15 March 1819
Thomas Spencer and Sarah Sparling - 18 February 1822
Blakey Spencer and Sarah Buckley - 2 December 1824
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Again, making an assumption of residence in Halifax - marriages at St John, Halifax:
13 February 1820 - Isaac Crowther and Hannah Broadbent
12 December 1819 - John Crowther and Hannah Holland
However, marriage entry, via FS, says that Hannah's maiden name was Beach - no sign of a marriage between Hannah Beach and ???? Crowther. You may have to purchase the 1838 marriage certificate.
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Possible candidates for first marriage of Sarah ???? to Mr Spencer - all marriages at St John the Baptist, Halifax:
Thomas Spencer and Sarah Fletcher - 15 April 1818
James Spencer and Sarah Kenyon - 15 March 1819
Thomas Spencer and Sarah Sparling - 18 February 1822
Blakey Spencer and Sarah Buckley - 2 December 1824
Sarah Kenyon married James Spencer.
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Again, making an assumption of residence in Halifax - marriages at St John, Halifax:
13 February 1820 - Isaac Crowther and Hannah Broadbent
12 December 1819 - John Crowther and Hannah Holland
However, marriage entry, via FS, says that Hannah's maiden name was Beach - no sign of a marriage between Hannah Beach and ???? Crowther. You may have to purchase the 1838 marriage certificate.
Yesterday I found a lady called Hannah Crowther of Bradford; she was the one who died in 1857. Details on the probate calendar mention three daughters (I think I said this earlier in the thread) and the census tells me that she was married to a man called William.
When I've done a bit more digging I do intend to buy some certificates. I just need to know where I'm going with this first.
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BUT if Hannah Crowther married John Hoadley in 1838, she would not have died as Hannah Crowther in 1857, would she? :-\
There is no sign of any Crowther children within the Hoadley household in 1841, just William Spencer who is a child of John's previous wife, Sarah.
Added: the entry for Hannah HOADLEY in 1857 Probate Index says that she is a widow.
That entry is for Ann Hoadley :-[
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The entry I have on the probate calendar for Hannah Hoadley reads Hannah Hoadley formerly Crowther and begins as follows;
Letters of Administration (with the will annexed) of the Personal estate and effects of Hannah Hoadley (wife of John Hoadley) formerly Crowther widow formerly of Halifax but late of Bradford etc etc.
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I hadn't found that - obviously looking in the wrong place :-[
Added: OK found it - dated 1861 :o Daughters obviously from Hannah's marriage to ? Crowther.
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I've been in touch with one of the students in my family history class as she used to live in Halifax so is familiar with the area. I'm hoping she can help me track down the burials I am looking for.
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Which burials are you trying to locate?
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You must have lost the plot like me.
Need to find the burials of the first Hannah and Sarah and the children who died before John left for the US. They are buried in Halifax. The information is elsewhere in this thread.
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BUT you've got the burials of Hannah (Spivey), Sarah (Spencer) and John and Mary (children of John and Hannah Spivey)
Hannah - 28 January 1827
John - 16 March 1822
Mary - 8 December 1826
Sarah (Spencer) - 6 October 1832
All are in the same grave - Salem Chapel, Halifax
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Yes, I know that but I'd like to confirm the information.
I am also trying to find the burial in Bradford of Hannah who died in 1857. Looking through a lot of information.
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So, you're doubting the transcription of the burials at Salem Chapel? The original burial records for this Chapel do not appear to be archived anywhere - West Yorkshire Archive Service only have registers for baptisms from 1798.
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The transcript of the burial entries at Salem Chapel is held at Calderdale Library (Halifax). Perhaps they can help you - they may, of course, charge you for searching.
This is the cover of the book at Calderdale Library
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So, you're doubting the transcription of the burials at Salem Chapel? The original burial records for this Chapel do not appear to be archived anywhere - West Yorkshire Archive Service only have registers for baptisms from 1798.
I'm not doubting anything. I just like to double check things.
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The transcript of the burial entries at Salem Chapel is held at Calderdale Library (Halifax). Perhaps they can help you - they may, of course, charge you for searching.
This is the cover of the book at Calderdale Library
Thanks for that information. This something I may chase up after I've heard from my classmate. I have been in contact with other archives in the past who have been extremely helpful in sending information I am looking for. I am wheelchair user so I cannot easily travel to these places to look myself so I am happy to pay them to look for me.
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I don't think there is any chance of seeing the headstone - shame. :'(
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=18&lat=53.7256&lon=-1.8609&layers=6&right=BingHyb
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Didn't think there would be :(
I am looking through my tree and I have come across another Hoadley I had forgotten about. There is a thread on here about him somewhere.
He was the son of Frances Jane Hoadley (his mother was unmarried). She came from Bradford.
Frances Jane later married John William Henry Chapel. My thread says that she married John Hilton; this is wrong and I have no idea where I got that name from as I researched this ages ago.
Further research seems to indicate that she was born to a single mother as well and her name is Hannah Hoadley, born about 1799 in Farnham, Harrogate, Yorkshire.
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St Peter,
Bradford Leeds- 20 September 1857
John Hilton, 27, Groom. Father: John, Tanner
Frances Jane Hoadley, 28, spinster. Father: George, Wood Turner
Same day:
John William Henery Chapel and Emma Buttrey
Images on Ancestry.
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St Peter, Bradford Leeds- 20 September 1857
John Hilton, 27, Groom. Father: John, Tanner
Frances Jane Hoadley, 28, spinster. Father: George, Wood Turner
Same day:
John William Henery Chapel and Emma Buttrey
Images on Ancestry.
I thought I had it right before but as it's ages since I looked into George I thought I might have got it wrong. Thanks for straightening that out for me. I will now correct my tree.