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Independent Islands => Alderney, Guernsey, Jersey, Sark => Topic started by: Wiggy on Saturday 24 November 18 23:42 GMT (UK)
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I am wondering if I can get any further back on this Huguenot branch of my family.
So far I have got to Jersey and some Huguenot ancestors who went to Jersey to carry on their trade of ?weaving.
This thread has a little more information but not much. It is really about daughter Elizabeth's family in England.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.ph p?topic=456497.msg3210044#msg3210044
The names I am looking for are Francois Le VAVASSEUR /dit DURRELL who married (I presume) Elizabeth Le FEUVRE sometime before 1755 I think - al least their daughter Elizabeth was born then and all other children I have listed come after her.
Children in the family are
Elizabeth 1755 - Married 1778 Thomas RANSOM, Shoreditch England - died 1836 Bethnal green
Marie 1763,
Francois Thomas 1764
Margueritte 1769
Pierre Henry 1770
Jean 1773
Jeanne 1780
I would love to be able to go back to the births, marriage and deaths of Francois and Elizabeth. (parents of this tribe.) Maybe in France, or maybe in Jersey.
Also - there is a long gap between Elizabeth and the next recorded child. :-\
The later children were all Baptised in the French Huguenot church in Threadneedle Street London. Would the move to England account for the gap in children - maybe?
I haven't had to look in Europe before so am not sure where/how to start. Any pointers gratefully received.
Wiggy
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Just found what might be Francois Le Vavasseur's birth 1738, and marriage, both in Jersey, so will ask for this thread to be moved to UK maybe.
Marriage in St Helier, Jersey 1758 could well explain the gap in the births!!
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Hiya WIGGY - I see you are online -have a trawl through these for Elizabeth - green trees are free to view - those with a P are pay per view - good luck - I will have a look as well
https://en.geneanet.org/fonds/individus/?size=10&ignore_each_patronyme=&ignore_each_prenom=&type_periode=between&exact_month=&exact_day=&exact_year=&nom=le+feuvre&ignore_each_patronyme=&prenom=elizabeth&prenom_operateur=or&ignore_each_prenom=&place__0__=&zonegeo__0__=Jersey%2C+Channel+Islands%2C+United+Kingdom&country__0__=GBR®ion__0__=CHI&subregion__0__=JSY&place__1__=&zonegeo__1__=&country__1__=®ion__1__=&subregion__1__=&place__2__=&zonegeo__2__=&country__2__=®ion__2__=&subregion__2__=&place__3__=&zonegeo__3__=&country__3__=®ion__3__=&subregion__3__=&place__4__=&zonegeo__4__=&country__4__=®ion__4__=&subregion__4__=&type_periode=between&from=&to=&exact_month=&exact_day=&exact_year=&go=1
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https://en.geneanet.org/fonds/individus/?size=10&ignore_each_patronyme=&ignore_each_prenom=&type_periode=between&exact_month=&exact_day=&exact_year=&nom=le+vavasseur&ignore_each_patronyme=&prenom=&prenom_operateur=or&ignore_each_prenom=&place__0__=&zonegeo__0__=Jersey%2C+Channel+Islands%2C+United+Kingdom&country__0__=GBR®ion__0__=CHI&subregion__0__=JSY&place__1__=&zonegeo__1__=&country__1__=®ion__1__=&subregion__1__=&place__2__=&zonegeo__2__=&country__2__=®ion__2__=&subregion__2__=&place__3__=&zonegeo__3__=&country__3__=®ion__3__=&subregion__3__=&place__4__=&zonegeo__4__=&country__4__=®ion__4__=&subregion__4__=&type_periode=between&from=&to=&exact_month=&exact_day=&exact_year=&go=1
It looks like the name was Le Vavasseur - DIT - Durrell
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https://gw.geneanet.org/robetarry?n=le+vavasseur+dit+durell&oc=1&p=thomas
someone has a tree back to 1465 for that family in St Helier - so - what year did the Hugenots leave France ?
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Hi Garstonite
What year did they leave France? . . . . . No idea. I just believe they were Huguenots. Francois and Elizabeth's children were baptised in the French Huguenot church in London, and Madeleine, granddaughter, applied for admission to the Huguenot Hospital in London in the 1800s.
I think I may have found Francois' birth in St Helier in 1738,
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I don't know how to decide between them - one is daughter of Pierre and Jeanne born 1737 - both names used for her children,
and the other possibility is born 1736 daughter of Henry - also used for one of her children. ( think I have them round the right way)
There seem to be lots of Le Vavasseur dit Durrell in St Helier, and lots of Le Feuvres also, so I am clutching at anything for the time being.
Thanks for your links and interest - cannot see anything really ringing bells yet, but still looking.
Wiggy :)
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This thread has a little more information but not much. It is really about daughter Elizabeth's family in England.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.ph p?topic=456497.msg3210044#msg3210044
The thread does not work, can you give a new one?
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https://gw.geneanet.org/robetarry?n=le+vavasseur+dit+durell&oc=1&p=thomas
someone has a tree back to 1465 for that family in St Helier - so - what year did the Hugenots leave France ?
click on the link and look for CONTACT - click on this and you will be able to message the tree owner who may be able to help ??
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When you click on CONTACT - He has left his address in Southampton - you can write to him
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joger,
Here is a link again - hope this works. ;)
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=456497.117
Wiggy
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Thanks garstonite, still , I see no François in this tree.
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Nor do I! And I don't have an acount with this group. :( (Might have to make one. ;))
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Basic geneanet is free, only Premium is paying.
Wiggy , may I ask who is the last Le Vavasseur Dit Durell (dit means aka), or Durell (or Durel) you are certain of?
Added : and who is the last ancestor , not a sibbling.
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Elizabeth Durrell, daughter of Francois and Elizabeth, married my GGGgrandfather Thomas Ransom. I know they had two daughters. That is all as Thpomas Ransom was a convict and sent to Australia and didn't see that family again.
I managed to trace his two English daughters, but my family comes from a son he had in Australia, so Elizabeth Durrell born 1755 is my direct contact - but not my GGGgrandmother.
Yes I understaind Durrell is what they were 'called'. :)
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Elizabeth (le Vavasseur dit DURELL) was born before 1755 , you don't know where .
Her father is said to be François (or Francis) Le Vavasseur (dit Durell) and her mother Elizabeth Le Feuvre ( or le Fevre, Lefevre ,Lefebvre or Lefebure )
She married a Thomas RANSOM in London Shoreditch 1776, and died in 1836 in Bethnal Green , London. This couple had 2 girls. You suppose that Thomas is your ancestor , a convict transported to Australia.
Am I right?
Added: I have just read the Ransom file. Very interesting.
Here are some sites explaning the relation between french huguenots and Jersey
https://www.cairn.info/revue-etudes-theologiques-et-religieuses-2006-2-page-183.htm
https://www.theislandwiki.org/index.php/Huguenot_refugees
https://www.jerseyheritage.org/family-history/jersey-immigration
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Elizabeth (le Vavasseur dit DURELL) was born before 1755 , you don't know where .
Her father is said to be François (or Francis) Le Vavasseur (dit Durell) and her mother Elizabeth Le Feuvre ( or le Fevre, Lefevre ,Lefebvre or Lefebure )
She married a Thomas RANSOM in London Shoreditch 1776, and died in 1836 in Bethnal Green , London. This couple had 2 girls. You suppose that Thomas is your ancestor , a convict transported to Australia.
Am I right?
Added: I have just read the Ransom file. Very interesting.
Here are some sites explaning the relation between french huguenots and Jersey
https://www.cairn.info/revue-etudes-theologiques-et-religieuses-2006-2-page-183.htm
https://www.theislandwiki.org/index.php/Huguenot_refugees
https://www.jerseyheritage.org/family-history/jersey-immigration
Correct - and thanks for those links. ;)
I have a baptism for Elizabeth from Jersey - a very battered document sent to me by Richard who was doing a lot of research into the Huguenots at the time and was a great help - (as you will have noticed Jober ;) ) Not easy to see the date - apart from 21st April (Can't make out year) It seems the family then moved to London where the rest of the family was born.
The births I have found on FindMyPast yesterday refer to her mother I believe.
so Elizabeth isn't really my family - I am just interested.
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I decipher : Elizabeth daughter of Francis le Vavasseur ... Durell and Elizabeth Le Feuvre his wife , was baptized the 21 st Day of ...
I'm not sure about April but I cannot decipher at all the year , unfortunately.
May be the year is not written at all , it is to be found upwards , a few pages before.
What was the origin of the document ?
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https://catalogue.jerseyheritage.org/?_ga=2.91108376.367407033.1543169318-1548576421.1543169318
Do you have a sub here?
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Francois Le Vavasseur dit Durell married Elizabeth Le Feuvre in St Helier on 8 Jan 1758. Their son Jacques was baptized in St Helier on 15 Dec 1758. His baptism record shows his godparents as Jacques Mauger (Uncle) and Jeanne Samson (Grandmother). Elizabeth was baptized in St Helier on 21 Sept 1760, her godparents were Pierre Power and Elizabeth Richardson his wife.
This would make Pierre Le Vavasseur and Jeanne Sam(p)son the parents of Francois
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Great, Thank you very much for Wiggy. I thought it was written September , but the writing is so difficult to decypher that i did not dare saying so.
Ok for Jeanne Sa(i)m(p)son being François's mother, but how do you know the name of his father?
Do you have access to the documents of the Société Jersiaise? I am looking for the list of the french protestants residing in Jersey in 1750. ( from the notes at the bottom of the page here:
https://www.cairn.info/revue-etudes-theologiques-et-religieuses-2006-2-page-183.htm)
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This is on Ancestry and also on the Jersey Archive site
Name: Francois Le Vavasseur
Event Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 24 Apr 1738
Baptism Place: St Helier, Jersey
Parish as it Appears: St Helier
Father: Pierre Le Vavasseur
Mother: Jeanne Sampson
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Name: Jeanne Samson
Gender: Female
Event Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 1 May 1726
Marriage Place: St Helier, Jersey
Parish as it Appears: St Heilier
Spouse: Pierre Le Vavassr
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Fantastic.
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Fantastic.
Hear hear! :D 8)
Thank you so much - so I did find the correct marriage for Francois and Elizabeth and the correct baptism for Francois. Thanks for all this information.
I found three possible baptisms for Elizabeth Le Feuvre but don't know which is correct.
Also thanks for that extra member of the family Jaques - that explains the gap in the dates which I had between Elizabeth and the children born in London. Looks as if they moved to London between second and third child.
No Jober, I don't have subs to the Jersey site. Currently I don't have subs anywhere, as I had slowed right down in my FH searching and have only just started again. Might have to start paying up again but as this is a side line it may not be to Jersey.
I am very grateful indeed for your assistance, both you and La Grande-Méthe. :D
Those links you have given are very interesting Jober.
The document I attached was sent to me by RichardE on Rootschat - as he is a historian, and was writing a book about the Huguenots at the time, I am not sure where he obtained the baptism document, but I understood it to be from some source in Jersey. :)
Wiggy :)
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I am still searching the list of the french protestants residing in Jersey in 1750. It may bring infos on Elizabeth family . I'll let you know.
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;) Thanks so much Joger.
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I found a death record on FindMyPast for Elizabeth Le Sueur Le Vavasseur dit Durrell in Jersey in 18 Jan 1810 and wonder if it might be Francois' wife, gone back to Trinity, Jersey?
Not counting on it as there seem to be lots of Le Vavasseur dit Durrell families in Jersey.
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The register entry for that death reads,
Mrs Elizabeth Le Sueur, widow of Mr Francois Le Maistre was buried on the 18th day. The entry page is dated January 1810.
I have no idea where they managed to get the Le Vavasseur dit Durrell from, the entry is in French so all I can think is that the transcribers didn't know that Vve is an abbreviation for Veuve (widow). The FindMyPast source does not seem to be very accurate, I stick to Ancestry for Jersey as they have images of the original records on the site.
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Thanks for that clarification La Grande-Méthe - I will rub that one out then! ;)
I was so unsure I hadn't added it to the tree!
Wiggy
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Helo,
I have a copy of the article , it begins with a list of 185 recent Huguenots refugees in Jersey, but no Elizabeth Le Feuvre or F. Le VVS dit Durell.
These families emigrated in Jersey long before 1750 and both certainly came from Normandy.
You can try to search jerrripedia 's births and baptisms :
http://search.jerripediabmd.net/BMD_UserStuff/Baptisms
Name le feuvre , given name Elizabeth
dates : I tried between 1722 and 1743 : 16 answers but difficult to say who are the parents of your Elizabeth.
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I have also been trying to narrow down the Elizabeth Le Feuvres. The problem is that Elizabeth was one of the most common names in use at that time and Le Feuvre has at least 4 or 5 variant spellings.
Taking that into account I would agree that there at least 16 baptized in a probable time frame. Some of them will have died in infancy but that still leaves a fair number to be eliminated.
The only partial clue is in the marriage entry for Francois and Elizabeth which includes the words 'both of this parish'. Unfortunately that does not necessarily mean that she was born in St Helier, merely that she was living there at the time of her marriage.
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I do so appreciate the looking you are both doing.
As I said, she isn't my family but is associated with my G G G Grandfather - so it is pure interest that drives me. I am very grateful for help from you both, who obviously know more about these things than I do.
I have seen all the variations for Elizabeth's surname and also the number of Elizabeths about - bit of a needle in a haystack job isn't it. ;)
Wiggy
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[quote 'both of this parish'. Unfortunately that does not necessarily mean that she was born in St Helier, merely that she was living there at the time of her marriage.
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Quite true
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Yes indeed - have met that expression several times around the country. ;)
I got hooked the first few times but have since learnt not to get too excited by it.
Thanks for your help - I have now learnt that this family was probably in Jersey for quite a long time and that they probably originated from Normandy - so I now know what I wanted to know.
Many thanks to you both. ;) 8)