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Hi, looking for conformation on my great grandfathers wife as there’s confusion on her surname...
Great grandfather William Henry Thompson born 1878 in Byker died 1940 in Wallsend
We are unsure if his wife was an Elizabeth Irwin or Elizabeth Spraggon.. on 1901 census she is just down as Elizabeth Thompson born in walker aged 23.
Children:
William Henry
Spraggon Irwin
Joseph
Sarah Jane
Elizabeth
Margaret
Florence
And a possible Peter..
Some of the children’s births have mmn as Irwin.
The confusing part is there is a child called Spraggon Irwin Thompson.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Lisa
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Something amiss here.Lets say he marries at 18,so after 1896 then by 1901 he has eight children.Other option is that he married one Elizabeth who died and a second Elizabeth is added.
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Something amiss here.Lets say he marries at 18,so after 1896 then by 1901 he has eight children.Other option is that he married one Elizabeth who died and a second Elizabeth is added.
He only has one child in 1901 - William, aged 1. His mother's maiden name is Irwin.
William Thompson married Elizabeth Irwin in 1st q. 1899, Tynemouth 10b, 357.
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The confusing part is there is a child called Spraggon Irwin Thompson.
I don't understand why that's confusing?
Spraggon Irwin Thompson born 2nd q. 1902, Tynemouth, mother's maiden name Irwin :-\
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The names William Henry Thompson and Elizabeth Irwin are on the same page of marriage register, Tynemouth, March Q 1899.
William Henry Thompson, Sept Q 1899, Tynemouth. Mmn Irwin.
You say "some" of children have mmn Irwin. What do the others have?
How does the name Spraggon fit In?
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Sorry, I think it’s the way I wrote that, yes they only had William Henry aged 1 on the 1901 census
On the 1911 census they have 5 children
William Henry aged 11
Spraggon Irwin aged 9
Joseph aged 6
Sarah aged 3
Elizabeth aged 6 month
On 1939 census there is Florence who would be aged 21
William Henry (son) and Spraggon Irwin are not shown on this one.
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The confusing part is there is a child called Spraggon Irwin Thompson.
I don't understand why that's confusing?
Spraggon Irwin Thompson born 2nd q. 1902, Tynemouth, mother's maiden name Irwin :-\
The confusion is with the surnames of the wife.. then a child with both possibilities as their name...
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How does the name Spraggon fit In?
I think the Elizabeth Irwin who married William could well be the daughter of a Spraggon Irwin.
The 1811 1881 census has a Spraggon Irwin and family living in Walker. Among his children is a 3 year old Elizabeth Irwin, born Walker. RG 11 / 5085 / 70 / 27
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The confusion is with the surnames of the wife.. then a child with both possibilities as their name...
William's wife's maiden name was Irwin as indicated by the birth registrations of Wiliam and Spraggon.
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How does the name Spraggon fit In?
I think the Elizabeth Irwin who married William could well be the daughter of a Spraggon Irwin.
The 1811 census has a Spraggon Irwin and family living in Walker. Among his children is a 3 year old Elizabeth Irwin, born Walker. RG 11 / 5085 / 70 / 27
Ah fabulous!! Thank you, this will be where the name Spraggon comes in! ;D
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IRWIN, ELIZABETH Mothers mn KNOX
GRO Reference: 1877 D Quarter in TYNEMOUTH Volume 10B Page 210
FreeBMD Marriage Dec 1861, Spragon IRWIN/Margaret KNOX on same page
Trish :)
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How does the name Spraggon fit In?
I think the Elizabeth Irwin who married William could well be the daughter of a Spraggon Irwin.
The 1811 census has a Spraggon Irwin and family living in Walker. Among his children is a 3 year old Elizabeth Irwin, born Walker. RG 11 / 5085 / 70 / 27
But would this not make her too old as going of census with William she was born approx 1877?
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How does the name Spraggon fit In?
I think the Elizabeth Irwin who married William could well be the daughter of a Spraggon Irwin.
The 1811 census has a Spraggon Irwin and family living in Walker. Among his children is a 3 year old Elizabeth Irwin, born Walker. RG 11 / 5085 / 70 / 27
The census I quoted should, of course, read 1881 :-[
As far as I can see all of the children you've mentioned have mothers maiden name Irwin.
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IRWIN, ELIZABETH Mothers mn KNOX
GRO Reference: 1877 D Quarter in TYNEMOUTH Volume 10B Page 210
FreeBMD Marriage Dec 1861, Spragon IRWIN/Margaret KNOX on same page
This looks a good match! Thank you.
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I havent looked but I think JenB means 1881 Census :)
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As far as I can see all of the children you mention have mothers maiden name Irwin.
Yes, I’ve now found Florence birth record which states Irwin.
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I havent looked but I think JenB means 1881 Census :)
Ah yes that would make more sense!
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I havent looked but I think JenB means 1881 Census :)
Reply #12 :) I've amended my posting. :)
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Thanks for all reply’s. I think this is now confirmed Irwin is the surname!!
findings:
Elizabeth Irwin who married William could well be the daughter of a Spraggon Irwin.
The 1881 census has a Spraggon Irwin and family living in Walker. Among his children is a 3 year old Elizabeth Irwin, born Walker.
IRWIN, ELIZABETH Mothers mn KNOX
GRO Reference: 1877 D Quarter in TYNEMOUTH Volume 10B Page 210
FreeBMD Marriage Dec 1861, Spragon IRWIN/Margaret KNOX on same page
William Thompson married Elizabeth Irwin in 1st q. 1899, Tynemouth
All Elizabeth & Williams Children are registered with the mothers maiden name Irwin.
This is why I love Rootschat!! Your all very helpful thank you x
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All looks good.
When you follow Spraggon back on Census I think you will find this is his Parents Marriage;
11 Nov 1827, St Andrew, Hexham
Jane SPRAGGON
George IRWIN
(FreeREG)
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http://www.northtyneside.gov.uk/marriage-register-test.shtml?mode=details®ister=W60&entrynumber=63
The church code on the Elizabeth Irwin marriage in 1899 indicates marriage took place at a non-Anglican venue. Perhaps this might have been at a registry office or an RC Church/Methodist etc.
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When you follow Spraggon back on Census I think you will find this is his Parents Marriage;
11 Nov 1827, St Andrew, Hexham
Jane SPRAGGON
George IRWIN
(FreeREG)
Looks to be correct
IRWIN, SPRAGGON mmn SPRAGGON
1841 M Quarter in NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE UNION Volume 25 Page 334
Spraggon Irwin age 10 with parents George & Jane and siblings on 1851 census
HO107; Piece: 2404; Folio: 331; Page: 79