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Beginners => Family History Beginners Board => Topic started by: millofski on Thursday 29 November 18 15:07 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
I'm trying to find more details on my biological maternal great-grandmother but am finding Scottish records harder to come by on the usual sites like Ancestry.
Her name is Jessica Wilson, was born around 1882 in Glasgow (I think). She married a Joseph Malcom in 1903 in Hutchesontown. Unfortunately can't find any records of her death or of her two sons, William & James (though have got records of her daughter, my biological grandmother, Jessica) or any other records.
Any help or pointers as to where to look would be much appreciated.
Oli
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Most people will recommend Scotland's People which is a pay per view site [via a credit bundle] after registration. It is the ONLY site with Scottish census original images - rather than ancestry's (sometimes dire) transcriptions - & parish and civil registration records & certificates for download within certain time restrictions.
Do you have her daughter on any censuses? Where did the daughter live?
For anyone to help you they would obviously have to use their own credits.....but can point you in the right direction. The index results on SP are free.
https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/
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This is the marriage record from the free index
MALCOLM JOSEPH WILSON JESSIE
1903 644/11 324 Hutchesontown
You can download the image for 6 credits and will get the names of the parents of both parties. Scottish certificates are far more informative than English/Welsh ones.
PS Note you have the spelling of Malcolm slightly wrong....
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HI Oli
Welcome to RootsChat :)
Just a note to keep in mind. In Scotland, Jessie was normally a name variant of Janet not Jessica. As a variant, you may find some registrations under either variant when making searches for documents.
Monica
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As Josey has mentioned, Scotlands People's is the ONLY place to search for the original Scottish BMDs. Just from general searches, there is for example a death for a James Wilson Malcolm, aged 69 in 1977 in Glasgow. Mother's maiden name given as Wilson.
There are cut off dates to view original images on line (births 100yrs /marriages 75yrs/ deaths 50yrs) so this death cert would need to be ordered to confirm details.
Monica
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A Jessie Malcolm, other surname Wilson, aged 73 died in 1956 in the Pollok area of Glasgow. This year is within the time frames to view cert online.
Monica
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James' birth from SP free index
MALCOLM JAMES WILSON M 1908 644/16 155 Govanhill
ADDED: And by searches by each name of the free index, restricted to Govanhill, you can find Joseph 29, Jessie 28 & James 3 & William 5 all with the same reference in the 1911 census which again can be downloaded for 6 credits. However, the BMD certificates Monica & I are finding will provide more information about Jessie' own family history.
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Thanks for all the info so far.
Jessica/Jessie Wilson's parents (from what I've been given from a half cousin) were James Wilson & Jessie Morland but don't have any further records on them. Apparently both had died by the time Jessica/Jessie married in 1903.
From what I've got of James Malcolm (correct, had spelt his surname wrong earlier), he was born in 1881 & died in 1939.
Of what I know of her daughter, also called Jessica/Jessie is that she was born 22nd November 1921 in Glasgow & died in London 9 April 1969. She was married to a Herbert Colquhoun. At some point, the family had moved from Glasgow to Cambridge & then onto London.
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Hello
Milofski
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SCOTLANDS PEOPLE you will curse and swear at the pay per view.. but I know the certs are WELL worth finding as they have all sorts of information if you examine closely...
Welcome to possibly attaining shares in Scotlands People for your Scottish people :)
xin
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Jessica/Jessie Wilson's parents (from what I've been given from a half cousin) were James Wilson & Jessie Morland but don't have any further records on them.
This can be confirmed from the 1903 marriage certificate; then you can research further back.
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This looks to be James Wilson and Jessie Morland in 1881:
James Wilson 34 Railway Engine Driver b. Galashiels, Peeblesshire
Jessie Wilson 31 b. Wigtonshire, Stranraer
Mary Wilson 9 b. Glasgow
Bella Wilson 7 b. Glasgow
James Wilson 4 b. Glasgow
Address: 385 Caledonia Road, Glasgow Hutchesontown
Family Search index show the first two daughters' details as:
Mary Foster Wilson b. 17 Jun 1872 TRADESTON,GLASGOW
Bella Donald Wilson b. 21 Oct 1874 TRADESTON,GLASGOW
Parent show as James Wilson and Jessie Morland on FS www.familysearch.org/search
Monica
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Those girls' middle names will be a help in due course.....
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I think Jessie wife of James Wilson died young. There is a death in Hamilton in 1886 for a 36yr old Jessie Wilson/Morland.
James must have remarried as I think this is him and children in 1891:
James Wilson 44 rail engine driver b. Selkirkshire, Galashiels
Janet Wilson 37 b. Ireland
Bella Wilson 16 b. Glasgow
James Wilson 13 b. Glasgow
Jessie Wilson 8 b. Hamilton
Jane Wilson 7 b. Glasgow
Helen Wilson 5 b. Glasgow
Janet Marton 76 g mother b. Ireland
Address: 77 Beckford St, Hamilton, Lanarkshire
Monica
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If the 76yr old Janet Marton (from the transcript) is actually wife Janet's mother and name should be Martin (original image is best), there is a marriage in Bridgeton Glasgow in 1887 for a James Wilson and Janet Martin.
Oli, plenty there from Josey's notes above and mine to let you get some details and verifications to make headway with your research hopefully.
Monica :)
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Thanks, I think this might be of another family with similar details. From details of their marriage certificate, they were married in 1871 in Tradeston. It lists James Wilson as 24 & Jessie Morland which would put their years of births as around 1847 & 1850 respectively. They both died before their daughter Jessie got married in 1903 but have not found anywhere confirming as to when they died.
Their daughter Jessie was born 23rd December 1881 with her birth being registered about a month later. She married Joseph Malcom in 1903 but I'm not sure of when she died.
Unfortunately can't seem to attach either file mentioned as they seem to be too big a file.
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Looks like your Jessie Wilson died in Hamilton in 1886 aged 36 this makes her birth year c 1850
Jessie
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Their daughter Jessie was born 23rd December 1881 with her birth being registered about a month later. She married Joseph Malcom in 1903 but I'm not sure of when she died.
This was mentioned earlier:
A Jessie Malcolm, other surname Wilson, aged 73 died in 1956 in the Pollok area of Glasgow. This year is within the time frames to view cert online.
Monica
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You mentioned that Jessie stated on her 1903 marriage that both her parents were deceased.
We think that her mother may have died in 1886 (the death cert will let you confirm her details to let you be certain).
Husband James may have remarried a Janet Martin? He shows with a Janet b. Ireland in 1891.
There are a number of possible death certs that could fit for James Wilson between 1891-1903, some in Hutchesontown, where Jessie married in 1903.
I think it may have been before 1901 as there is this possible 1901 census entry for Jessie with step mother Janet in Hutchesontown:
Janet Wilson 48 chandler b. Ireland
Jessie Wilson 18 chandler b. Hamilton
Address: 756 Rutherglen Rd. Glasgow/ Hutchesontown
What address did Jessie give on her 1903 marriage? Occupation for father and herself? Witnesses to marriage?
Monica
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Hi MonicaL,
On the marriage certificate, address is 86 Gramond Street (first letter looks like a G). Her father (James Wilson) was listed as a Railway Engine Driver but deceased. Witnesses for Jessie were James Crawford & Isabella Swan
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You can do a free search of valuation rolls on Scotlands People.
1895 has James Wilson as tenant occupier at 756 Rutherglen Road.
1905 has Mrs Janet Wilson as tenant occupier 86 Cramond Street.
William