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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Helina on Sunday 02 December 18 13:03 GMT (UK)
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George Joseph Peacock born 1855 Bristol. Parents George and Matilda Peacock. In 1881 he marries Ellen Cullimore born 1859 Bath Somerset. In the 1870's George may of served 2 short prison sentences for thief. George and Ellen had 2 children Sacie Alma born 1886 and Frank born 1890, both born in New South Wales Australia. By 1891 the family are living in Bristol UK.
Can find no record of George and Ellen going to Australia, was George transported if so would Ellen go with him??
Would love to know what happened between 1881 to 1891
Any help would be appreciated
helina
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Sacie was actually born in 1882:
2863/1882 PEACOCK Sacie Alma parents GEORGE JOSEPH and ELLEN SYDNEY
Then the twins:
4928/1884 PEACOCK Edith parents GEORGE J and ELLEN BALMAIN (died 1884)
4929/1884 PEACOCK Maud parents GEORGE J and ELLEN BALMAIN (died 1884)
And:
28507/1890 PEACOCK Frank parents GEORGE J and HELEN PETERSHAM
Jamjar
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Transportation ended long before 1881.
Married in November 1881 and first child born in 1882 so that has to be the year they arrived. If they were not assisted then they may just appear as Mr and Mrs PEACOCK.
Debra :)
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This has certainly has made me think. While George was in Australia he fathered these children by 3 other woman, on return to UK he brought Sacie and Frank back with him. Wander what happened to the twins.
Thanks Jamjar
Just been looking at the 1891 census which has a M Peacock and the 2 children, on the orginal it looks like Mrs Peacock
helina
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??? ??? ???
Not sure what you are talking about, Ellen was the mother of the children.
Debra :)
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Oh OK - Sydney, Balmain, and Petersham are registration districts.
Debra :)
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Oh OK - Sydney, Balmain, and Petersham are registration districts.
Debra :)
;D ;D ;D
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Yes a Ellen is down as the mother but George married Ellen Cullimore not Ellen Sydney, Ellen Balmain, Helen Petersham
helina
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Sorry thought it was the mother's maiden surname not districts
helina
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Wander what happened to the twins.
In brackets after the birth, is the death year.
Jamjar
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I can’t find them on the 1891. I only have FamilySearch to view.
What was George’s occupation?
Jamjar
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In 1911 he was a Licensed Vic, hotel County Ground Hotel Nevil Road Bristol
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In 1911 he was a Licensed Vic, hotel County Ground Hotel Nevil Road Bristol
What was his occupation in 1891?
Jamjar
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I have no idea what he was doing in 1891, his wife seems to be on her own with the children
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Looks like he was a deserter in 1876Name: George Peacock Age: 20 Birth Year: about 1856 Birth Place: Bristol, Gloucestershire Desertion Date: 3 Jul 1876 Desertion Place: Gloucester Publication Date: 3 Nov 1876 Regimental Number: 6686 Military Corps: Gloucestershire
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Public Records of Victoria
https://prov.vic.gov.au/explore-collection/explore-topic/passenger-records-and-immigration/unassisted-passenger-lists
...finds Josh and Ellen PEACOCK arriving "Sorata" August 1882
Ancestry Anglican Parish Records Sydney
https://search.ancestry.com.au/search/db.aspx?dbid=61177
...find.......... christening of twins, 1884, at St Thomas Church Balmain.
Parents Joseph George, carpenter, Evans St Balmain...mother Ellen
https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/keyname
...find...George PEACOCK, carpenter, Newcastle....bankruptcy.......03/04/1890...
The Australian Star 5 Apr 1890
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/230612438?
George Peacock, Newcastle, carpenter, late .innkeeper. Mr. Lloyd, official assignee.
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Hi,
Sands Directory 1883 and 1884.
Peacock Joseph., carpenter, Evans St, Bal.
Sands Directory 1887 and 1888.
Peacock, Joseph G., carpenter, 721 Bourke Street.
Gerry
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https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/222115815
and
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/222115797
11 April 1890, a carpenter named George PEACOCK, in Newcastle NSW re bankruptcy.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/219919984
16 May 1890 #2265, a carpenter named George PEACOCK, in Newcastle NSW re bankruptcy
JM
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Re looking for outward bound from New South Wales ...
https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/collections-and-research/guides-and-indexes/immigration-shipping-guide (Scroll down, keep scrolling .... PASSENGERS DEPARTING :) )
Outward passenger lists from New South Wales are DIFFICULT (almost impossible) to access.
The lists from 1898 to 1922 are NOT indexed, and the period from 1911 (to 1922) are not even microfilmed.
JM
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I can’t find them on the 1891. I only have FamilySearch to view.
What was George’s occupation?
Jamjar
I have no idea what he was doing in 1891, his wife seems to be on her own with the children
1891
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WYYD-3N2
23 Worrall Road Clifton, Gloucestershire :D 1 building, two households.
2 rooms
Mrs Peacock, head, married, 30, living on own means, Wells Somerset
Susie Peacock, daughter, 8, Sydney NS Wales
Frank Peacock, son, 14 months, Sydney NS Wales
3 rooms
Ellen Clarke, Widow, 57, living on own means, Chippenham, Wilts
Annie Davis, Single, Boarder, 22, Dressmaker, Wells, Somerset
JM
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Important Sale
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/139046325 24 September 1888 Newcastle Herald.
.............. with instructions from Mr. George Peacock, who is about entering another business, to sell by public auction, on the premises (near Duke of Edinburgh Hotel, Junction),To-morrow (Tuesday), at 11 o'clock, The whole of his Superior HOUSEHOLD FURNITURE and EFFECTS, which are for Positive Sale, as the owner is entering on a new business, and leaving the premises. No reserve.-- terms cash.
JM
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Thank you all, I certainly have some information to sieve though which I am sure will give me what I was searching for.
helina
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wrong thread, sorry
JM
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Just a couple of small snippets which may help in pin-pointing their departure from NSW.
The baby, Frank, was born 28 or 29 January 1890 and registered in Petersham (suburb of Sydney)
By 5 April 1890 there is a sequestration order for George Peacock, carpenter, previously inn-keeper, of Newcastle (ref found by wivenhoe)
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/230612438
Newcastle is some 160k north of Sydney.
Wondering if Ellen and the children returned to UK alone; whether they were all in Newcastle or only George. It's unusual, but a child does not have to be registered where s/he was born, so Frank's registration may only have been recorded in Petersham and he was born elsewhere in NSW. The reg number is quite large so could the registration of Frank's birth have occurred later in the year? JM will know if that's possible!!
Not much help really :(
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;D
The BDM districts in 1890 covered far more than the suburb :) and the local deputy registrars maintained their local registers and sent quarterly returns to the Registrar General's Office, in Sydney CBD. That General Office included far more than just the Register for BDMs - The Lands Titles Office was perhaps its most significant "Registry" function. And, like most clerical admin functions in that era, things were done in strict alphabetical order. So BDM quarterly returns were sent through to the Sydney HQ. And there, these were sorted in Sydney Metro districts in Alphabetical order ... so for example, Ashfield would be a far way ahead of Burwood, and Burwood would be ahead of Canterbury which would be way ahead of Hornsby and it would be ahead of Petersham .... etc...
So each year would be reset to 'O' for the returns for those lodged directly at the Reg General's office (so mainly those born within Sydney District - a 'dense' but small district based around Sydney CBD) .... then the Sydney Metro Districts within the County of Cumberland - in alphabetical order -(so Penrith was probably the one immediately ahead of Petersham), and then the Rural districts ... eg Albury, Dubbo, Newcastle, Wagga, Yass.
HOWEVER, sometimes ... err ... the clerks at the district levels 'forgot' to submit their returns ... so a batch would be forwarded with the 'next lot' .... and until WWI there was no real admin protocol to follow up missing returns (and errr ... even post WWII births may have missed being submitted ;D promptly - I am aware of at least one rural district registry as part of the function of the Clerk of Petty Sessions - the entire register - decades - not discovered until EDP computerisation 1970s recalled all registers ....)
So 'high' numbers can indicate admin oversights :) (across the state) but the online index is meant to include a feature to allow you to drill down to the actual date of birth rather than the date of registration. ;D
Sorry for the long post, I hope it helps
JM