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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: ali607 on Sunday 02 December 18 15:58 GMT (UK)
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Hi everyone,
I just made a chance discovery! Logged on to Ancestry for the first time in ten years and stumbled upon what I think is my elusive grandad on a ship to South Africa!
I have all the details but no subscription. I was wondering if anyone with a subscription would be kind enough to view the image for me please?
I searched for Desmond Salter born 1918 London. Towards the bottom of the results page is an entry for Mr D Salter on a ship to south africa in 1934.
Many thanks if anyone can look this up!
Alison
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Was your Desmond illegit as I notice his birth shows mmn Salter.
The 1934 entry appears to me to be 14 rather than 16 - not a clear 4 or 6 really but he was travelling with what appears to be parents. Father initials only = JW aged 55 and no name or initial for mother aged 42
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Mr D Salter about 1918 and aged 16 years
Port of Departure Southampton. 2 November 1934 Destination Port Cape Town, South Africa
Ship Name Kenilworth Castle. Travelled with Mr J W Salter aged 55 years. Secretary. Mrs Salter 42 years. Last UK Address - Kings Court Hotel. WC2
Sandra
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When I need to look at a record on Ancestry, I pop down to my local library.
They have computer access (free for 2 hours) and Ancestry Library Edition!
I can then download the image and copy it to a USB memory stick; or I can get Ancestry to email it to me. All free.
The Terms and Conditions of Ancestry mean that people can only use it for their own, private, research.
In asking for a user to get the image for you, you are asking them to break the Ts & Cs! :o
Just checked! Aberdeen Libraries have access to Ancestry Library Edition ;D
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When I need to look at a record on Ancestry, I pop down to my local library.
They have computer access (free for 2 hours) and Ancestry Library Edition!
I can then download the image and copy it to a USB memory stick; or I can get Ancestry to email it to me. All free.
The Terms and Conditions of Ancestry mean that people can only use it for their own, private, research.
In asking for a user to get the image for you, you are asking them to break the Ts & Cs! :o
Just checked! Aberdeen Libraries have access to Ancestry Library Edition ;D
Ok Firstly, I have been away from this site for ten years and I had no idea that was the case now - I used to practically live on this site day and night and the site was all about other people doing lookups...
Secondly I am no longer in Aberdeen. I am about 90 miles away from the nearest library in the far north of Scotland) which has Ancestry...or indeed has any computers. But thanks for the tip for the future. I'm not sure if Ancestry is available at Inverness library.
Alison
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Was your Desmond illegit as I notice his birth shows mmn Salter.
The 1934 entry appears to me to be 14 rather than 16 - not a clear 4 or 6 really but he was travelling with what appears to be parents. Father initials only = JW aged 55 and no name or initial for mother aged 44
Hi there,
Yes he was illegit...I am in fact trying to find his dad through any means...JW Salter is interesting...Are there any more details at all?
Does it actually say DESMOND Salter or is it just D?
Many thanks!
Alison
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Mr D Salter about 1918 and aged 16 years
Port of Departure Southampton. 2 November 1934 Destination Port Cape Town, South Africa
Ship Name Kenilworth Castle. Travelled with Mr J W Salter aged 55 years. Secretary. Mrs Salter 42 years. Last UK Address - Kings Court Hotel. WC2
Sandra
As it is transcribed here - Mr D Salter ;)
Sandra
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No names - just initials and ages
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Wow! Thanks so much.
I logged on to Ancestry and did this random search and it actually let me get a step further and see some of the transcribed details but not all - the step before you could view the image (even though I am no longer subscribed these days?). It only let me see it once - I think it was a fault on the website?? Does this happen often? Also when I tried to find it again, all the results had changed and were noted in French and came up with lots of USA results?? This is really weird....
Are we not meant to ask for the odd lookup on Ancestry then these days on this site? I thought that was the whole point?? Many years ago, I used to help many people in this way on this site.
Alison
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Don't specifically ask for a look up Just change your wording ................ ;)
Another entry for probably the same guy - a Mr J W Salter born 1881 - aged 41 years - secretary - last address in UK - Standard Bank of South Africa.
Port of Departure Southampton, England - Destination Port Cape Town, South Africa- 8 September 1922
Sandra
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I don’t think this is the person you are looking for. I think this was possibly a business trip given the address was a hotel
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Yes...it does rather throw up more questions than it answers. But...the only reference to Desmond's dad was Jervis...J Salter. I had previously thought that this was his mothers dad who he was referring to because he didnt know his own...
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previous thread (2006) with back ground information
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=135694.0
Sandra
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more info (2006)
Quote :- Desmond Salter b.4/12/1918 at Fulham Road Infirmary
He was brought up in a RC orphange in Mill Hill, London til he was 15 (or so the story goes...) and then he left to join Navy.
He met and married Margaret May Maxfield in 1942 (i have specific dates somewhere) in Sheffield and they had my dad................
etc etc
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=134278.0
Sandra
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This looks like Desmond's wife on the U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index.
Margaret May Lovas - Margaret M Lammel - Margaret May Maxfield born 21 July 1924 Sheffield passed away 9 November 1992 - Father Arthur Maxfield - Mother Jane Collier.
Aug 1955 - Name listed as Margaret May Lovas - 15 Feb 1978: Name listed as Margaret M Lammel.
Sandra
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US SSDI - Margaret M. Lammel - 21 July 1924 - 9 November 1992
Last Residence 44217 Creston, Wayne, Ohio.
SSN issued California (1955)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V325-FZH
Sandra
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Ohio death record - Margaret M. Lammel - Last Residence 44217 Creston, Wayne, Ohio.
born 21 Jul 1924 and died 9 Nov 1992 Wayne, Ohio. Certificate 087355
Father's Surname Maxsield (as transcribed) - Mother's Maiden Name Collier - Marital Status Divorced.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VKGG-M17
Sandra
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Ohio death record - Margaret M. Lammel - Last Residence 44217 Creston, Wayne, Ohio.
born 21 Jul 1924 and died 9 Nov 1992 Wayne, Ohio. Certificate 087355
Father's Surname Maxsield (as transcribed) - Mother's Maiden Name Collier - Marital Status Divorced.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VKGG-M17
Sandra
Wow lol Yes this was my grandma...she emigrated to US after my dads birth - leaving dad here...
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Didn't see any reference to Desmond Salter with his birth date in the USA.
Was he still in the Navy when he disappeared ?
Sandra
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Ohio, Divorce Abstracts - Margaret M Lovas - spouse's Name Louis Lovas of Medina. married 21 years. 1 child. Dissolution 6 February 1976 - Cerificate Number 5905
May be 2 children 1 male (born 1959 - mothers maiden name Maxfield ) and 1 female (will send info by pm
There was a still born L Lovas child 8 January 1958 (mother Maxfield) - no idea if this was male or female -
Sandra
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Suspect this is Louis Lovas - SSDI - Louis Alexander Lovas - 20 Apr 1924 - 21 August 2010
SSN issued California (1955) - Last Residence 44254 Lodi, Medina, Ohio.
Notice issued California same as Margaret
Sandra
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UK Outward Passenger List - Lous Lovas born 1924 departed Southampton to Halifax Canada arriving 25 March 1952 on the Columbia. Last address in the UK - 12 Rupert Rd Sheffield 7. Occupation - Gen Turner. Country of intended future residence was Canada. Country of which a citizen - Hungary.
Sandra
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Under US Border crossing Canada to USA - Margaret May Salter - July 1952 - British Airways London to Montreal - c/o Frances Louis Lovas, 42 Constance st. Toronto
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United States Public Records, 1970-2009 - Louis R Lovas..........
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KRJL-9P5
Sandra
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There could be an error in the date of birth ???
Ohio Marriage Extract
Margare M Maxfield born 1935 (married 1) and Horst A Lammel - Medina - 12 June 1977 - Certificate Number: 7005 - Residence Cuyahoga
Ohio Divorce Abstract
Margare M Lammel - (married twice) and Horst A Lammel - (married twice) Gross Neglect of Duty -
To Whom Decree Granted - Husband - Decree Date 2 March 1979 - Cuyahoga Ohio.
Sandra
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Didn't see any reference to Desmond Salter with his birth date in the USA.
Was he still in the Navy when he disappeared ?
Sandra
Desmond and Margaret had my dad Stephen Desmond Salter in 1945 in England, then Desmond went missing, then they divorced, then he vanished again and then...she emigrated, leaving my dad in England.
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Sandra - Thanks for all the info. Most of it is known to me as I am in regular contact with my family in the USA. I will pm you as there is something you have turned up there about a living relative...which I didn't know...
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Other related threads
- https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=804307.msg6628960#msg6628960
- https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=804531.0
- https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=169014.0
Seems Desmond Salter changed his name..............
- Robert Desney - 4 december 1918 - aged 76 years.
Registration Date: Apr 1995 - Darlington Durham
Register Number B50E District and Sub district 4361B
Sandra
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United States Public Records, 1970-2009 - Louis R Lovas..........
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KRJL-9P5
Sandra
This is the record which I don't understand? What is it exactly?
Thanks
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US Public Records collection is an index of names, birth dates, addresses, phone numbers, and possible relatives of people who resided in the United States between 1970 and 2009.
Sandra
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Obviously a nickname !!!!!!!
FIND A GRAVE
Horst “Danny” Lammel -
burial - Woodvale Cemetery Middleburg Heights, Cuyahoga County, Ohio.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/152121987
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q29B-7LW3
Sandra
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Ohio, Divorce Abstracts - Margaret M Lovas - spouse's Name Louis Lovas of Medina. married 21 years. 1 child. Dissolution 6 February 1976 - Cerificate Number 5905
May be 2 children 1 male (born 1959 - mothers maiden name Maxfield ) and 1 female (will send info by pm
There was a still born L Lovas child 8 January 1958 (mother Maxfield) - no idea if this was male or female -
Sandra
Just to confirm, can you see the the birth of a live infant 8th Jan 1958 as well as the stillborn? I suspect it was a boy and they called it Louis after the dad. WHen it was born dead, they called the other twin - the girl - Louisette for her middle name. I honestly dont think my auntie knows she was a twin. I dont think anyone knows. What to do????
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Tried a few combinations of name but did not find another one.
So perhaps that is a (very bad) error ??? :'(
Sandra
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So you're saying there is no record of my aunty's birth 8th Jan 1958??
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I did not see a record for the person you named but it doesn't mean there isn't one or the record for the stillborn is an error ::)
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list?fcs=placeId%3A43&ec=region%3AUNITED_STATES%2CplaceId%3A43
Its RootsChat policy not to name living people so probably best you remove the name above.
Sandra
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5 page post here
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=804307.msg6631399#msg6631399
Have asked moderator to merge in view of complexity and variation in info
Moderator comment: topic locked for consideration of merger
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Are we not meant to ask for the odd lookup on Ancestry then these days on this site? I thought that was the whole point??
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