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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: andmc1 on Monday 03 December 18 11:26 GMT (UK)
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Hi
i am trying to find out more a william channer
he married Jarius Barnett 27 jun 1813 in st luke chelsea
the only other record i could find is 1814 when son william was born
living George street and he is a soldier on christening at st luke chelsea
when son william 1814 chelsea -1876 st saviour was born
i have william 174 with mother jarius in whitechapel 1841 census
i think he married A Mary ann 1817 newington - 1876 camberwell
andrea
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Hi Andrea, I am struggling to find anything. Could you please let us have the source of each of the facts you have listed.
Thanks, Pheno
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Hi
In the same parish of Chelsea is a Mathew and Ann Channer nee Cordey married at St George Hannover Square 1807 printer having children.
Mathew bapt 19 March 1786 -17.2.1829 Arthur St died of Asthma.
I'd suggest he might be William's brother with possible parents George and Sarah who had other sons Thomas at Chelsea 19 May 1782 and John Frederick 22 Nov 1789 born 1 August,(various spellings of their surname.)
George Channer and Sarah Hill married at St James Westminster 13 May 1781
George s of Mathew and Mary at Ivinghoe Bucks 14 July 1756 tallow chandler
I can't see a baptism for William though
Ciderdrinker
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hi
Thank you
i was wondering if george married to sarah hill was son mathew and mary ware son
this george was left money by mathew in 1793 so i know he was alive then
i will link them .
i am now wondering if william was son of james channer and frances dodd born 1784 ampthill in beds .
a nephew of the above george channer
what do you think ?
andrea
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William
i found William marriage St luke Chelsea and christening of son william
jarius seems to have lots of different spelling ( LMA )
andrea
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Hello
Sorry not to get back to you earlier
Yes that does look good.
I found the Will for Mathew Channer and saw the marriage and baptism for William Channer.
It does look like the family and being a soldier William could well have been a bit older when he married Jarius.
There is also a PCC Will for George's brother William Channer a grocer in 1797 which leaves a silver watch to William Channer son of his brother James.
William and James's sister Elizabeth's Will of 1829 gives bequests to sister Sarah and brother James.Made 4 April 1806 .However James has died by 3 Sep 1829 and can't executor the Will.
He may be the James Channer buried at St Mary Lambeth 11.9.1828 age 81 of Bennetts Buildings.
It looks like James was also a grocer.
A family tree on ancestry has a miniature painting of James's son George who went to Jamaica
Ciderdrinker
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hi
i now linked to william december 1784
what do you think about a burial 1 april 1834 (born 1789) age 45
holy trinity islington
age is out a little
do you know is there any thing about his life as a soldier ?
or what happened to jarius ?
i think i found a marriage 20 July 1817 westminster st Martin in the field
to a thomas castle from IGI . on ancestry but only transcription
i have not looked at record to see if she is a widow
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There's an army pension record (WO 97) for William Channer, the son.
Attested for the 15th Hussars, 24 April 1828
age 14
born Chelsea, Middlesex.
served 26 years 79 days (nearly 14 of them in the East Indies)
discharged (?) July 1848 as Trumpeter William Channer, reg. no. 301
height 4 ft 8 ins
complexion Fresh
eyes Hazle
hair Lt Brown
trade Musician
intended place of residence London
In 1841 he was in Bangalore.
EDIT He was in the army until 1859, when he was 45
1851 was still in Bangalore (Trumpeter)
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GRO Regimental Birth Indices
William Channer
place Chelsea
year 1814
regiment 15th Huss.
vol 279
page 12
So William's father was also in the 15th Hussars.
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Not seeing anything for the older William Channer, 15th Hussars. Not indexed in the muster rolls of the period which are on ancestry (1812-1817), may not be complete.
There is a William Channer about in the 23rd Light Dragoons.
An oddity
The baptism before William at Chelsea, same day, 20 March 1814, on previous page
Robert
son of Robert + Jarius Salmon
abode George Street
father a Butcher
born 5 May 1811
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i think i found a marriage 20 July 1817 westminster st Martin in the field
to a thomas castle from IGI . on ancestry but only transcription
i have not looked at record to see if she is a widow
No marital status given for either.
Thomas Castle + Jaryas Chaner
both of this Parish
by Banns
They both marked
Witnesses were Jno Taylor and Mary Peverall.
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Baptism at St Clement Danes
23 November 1817
Thomas
parents Thomas + Jarius Castles
abode Haughton St
father a Cow Keeper
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Burial at St Clement Danes in 1831
Jarayas Castle
abode 6 Holles Street
buried Novr. 20th
age 42
performed by W. Gurney
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have you found a marriage for william 1814
i have him on 1861 and 1871 census not sure if wife is same person or not
on 1861
newington st mary
3 smiths yard ( st peters walworth) ( next page address is 12 bedford street)
william 46 head factory watch man Chelsea
ann 39 holborn
is wife same or was he married twice
On 1871 census
28 Chatham St lambeth St mary
st john walworth and st peter
william Channer 57 watchman chelsea
mary A 53 Newington Surrey
POSSIBLY ON CENSUS TWICE
1871 census
rodney st
have copy
william 53 married Night watchman at Factory Chelsea
i have not found a record on the BDM List
Andrea
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Hi
I haven't yet seen a marriage for William.
William in Chatham Street died shortly after the 1871 census. So he must be the June qtr 1871 death in St Saviour, age 57
And was buried at Victoria Park Cemetery, 27 April 1871. Age on that is 50, address is Chatham St Newington.
I honestly don't know if there were two "wives" or just the one, their details don't match from 1861 and 1871, as you have posted.
Hadn't thought about the other William in 1871, I think most likely it is a different man.
Re the 1817 marriage
The relevant St Clement Danes banns register does not give marital status either, so we still don't know if the Chaner lady who married Thomas Castle was a widow.
But that name of his mother, Jarius or Jaryas, etc, is so unusual. Hardly finding anyone else called that. Chaner must surely be a form of Channer (itself not a common name)
However
The previous banns register for St Clement Danes has an earlier entry for
Thomas Smith + Jarry Chaner
banns called 19, 26 November, and 3 December 1815
both of the parish
And it says that they were bachelor and spinster.
BUT - No marriage found!
I think there is something very odd about all this, and don't forget the baptism at Chelsea, on the same day in 1814 as William, of Robert Salmon, mother Jarius, also living in George Street.
Too many coincidences here for me.
John
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hi
the 2 census
i was thinking he was at work on census
and wive wife on other census
i will re check any other William`
i have ( before it was on line ) copied every channer record i could find in BMD books
so i will look other possibilities i have some knowledge of walworth and bermondsey area
i cant find any one who would fit with 2nd census record
strange burial was victoria park hackney across the river thames
possibly not such a divide as it is now
i think age is 60 not 50 but still a bit out for birth 1814
prehaps another relative was buried there
more research for me
andrea
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I am researching the Channers at the moment. Frances Dodd was my 6x Great Aunt, through her sister Ann Dodd. Likewise I am just trying to suss out Jarius. I have not thoroughly read this thread yet, so please forgive me if I tell you things you have already posted.
William was one of at least 8 children of James Channer (1752, Ampthill, Beds, son of Matthew Channer and Sarah Dell) and Frances Dodd (09 Mar 1752, Chenies, Bucks daur of John Dodd and Sarah). James Channer is well documented, as he was a supporter of the Duke of Bedford (probably Lord John Russell) who had the manor and palace of Chenies. It is recorded that "his business in Ampthill failed after he injured himself falling from his horse, during the elctions of 1785. The old water mill at Chenies (about 3 miles from where I live) is called Dodd's Mill. George Dodd was a pall bearer at the funeral of Francis Russell, Duke of Bedford's at Chenies in 1802.
I recently found a definite and very strong DNA match with a descendant of William's brother George Channer. George (14 Apr 1779, Ampthill) was recorded as "George Channer of Black River", as he had a plantation at Black River in Jamaica, where he had at least 9 children!
The Channers were very much a military family. George's grandson was General George Nicholas Channer VC CB, who was awarded the VC in 1875 in Perak, Malaya.
The story continues... :)
Regards
Phil How
(in Croxley Green, Herts)
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Hi Phil
i think we have also been chatting on Ancestry
Best wishes Andrea
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Indeed, we may very well have been :)
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This discussion interests me more from the DODD side. I've just discovered a couple of 6th cousin DNA matches to descendants of Frances DODD and William CHANNER. My line is through Mary Elizabeth DODD who married Charles STEVENS (a paper manufacturer) in 1766 at Chenies. Mary definitely has a connection to George DODD of Chenies, and the research I have (from my mother's work many years ago) suggests that Mary was the daughter of George DODD. I'm struggling to figure out how Mary connects with Frances DODD, whose parents are John and Sarah. I suspect the common ancestor of Mary and Frances is at least another generation back from comparing the genetic matches (AncestryDNA) of the two descendants of Frances (estimated 6th cousin), to my match with the other descendant of Mary Elizabeth (4th cousin), though all three matches are less than 10 cM (my 4th cousin at 7 cM, and the two "6th" cousins at 7 and 10 cM).
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Hi Corinne
Don't know whether we've spoken before?
I live about 5 miles from Chenies, and I am also descended from John Dodd, by his first wife Mary Hack. They were my 6x great grandparents. I have never found a marriage for John and Sarah, but I have transcribed his will. I also have an ancestry DNA test online at Ancestry and elsewhere.
In the will John leaves his real estate thus:
"...unto my son George Dodd his heirs and assigns for ever chargeable nevertheless and I do hereby charge all my so real estate with and for the payment of the sum of Twenty pounds apiece of lawful money of Great Britain to my Daughters Elizabeth Lewis [,] Mary the wife of Charles Stevens and Frances the wife of James Channer to be paid to each of them by my said son George Dodd..."
I have gone into the DODD and Channer families in great depth, as Chenies is one of my favourite places. My parents were married at Chenies, where my brothers and I were also christened, as was my eldest son.
Dodd's Mill is still there, but is a private house now, though still called Dodd's Mill.
It is on Google maps here:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.6782361,-0.5336761,3a,56y,132.97h,85.06t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sp96SYVrJvRyZ0UQcLa6jaA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en-GB&authuser=0
I am also in touch with several Channer descendants.
If you give me your Ancestry username I will invite you to my tree, and also we can compare DNA, which should be interesting
Regards
Phil How
(Croxley Green, Herts)
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Phil, I have PM'd you. Yes I would like to compare DNA, and also sort out the errors in my DODDs tree links. I realise now the George who I thought was the father of my Mary DODD (married Charles STEVENS) was more likely to be her brother.
I just checked on a map, and hadn't realised how close Sarratt was to Chenies. Alfred CURTIS and wife Henrietta STEVENS were both buried at Sarratt (CHurch of the Holy Cross, in 1888 and 1887 respectively). Henrietta was born in Sarratt, dau of John Dodd STEVENS and Anne DOVEY, and granddaughter of Charles STEVENS and Mary DODD. Alfred CURTIS was also a paper maker (Sarratt Mill). The Curtis family were originally from Sutton Courtenay, but by 1765 Thomas Curtis, a stationer, was in London. Alfred was his grandson. More details on the Sarratt Mill here http://www.hertfordshire-genealogy.co.uk/data/places/places-s/sarratt/sarratt-paper-mill.htm
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Hi I am descendent of the channers from Jamaica, my grandfather is norris channer. My family has managed to trace back to a William channer born February 8th 1881, newcom valley St Elizabeth Jamaica. We are not sure if we are descended from George and Sarah Delano as apparently there were 2 channer brother's from England and several mistresses. I was wondering if you had any ideas about this. I'm in England and born and raised in Aylesbury funny enough