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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Surrey => Topic started by: pamissearching!!! on Monday 03 December 18 12:32 GMT (UK)
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Can anyone help I have a family by name of Miller living in Smith Street Lambeth in 1841. Caroline Miller aged 70ish is the step !other of the girls but there is a young boy named Joseph calett aged 10 living with them. Caroline is deceased by 1851but I would like to find Joseph as he may be a grandson of Caroline by a first marriage. I would also like to find the marriage of Caroline to William Henry Miller which would have taken place between 1838/1841 in the Lambeth area. I don't know Caroline's surname pre marriage to William. Many thanks
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Joseph does not have a place of birth (Y/N) on the 1841.
I see Caroline was of 'Independent' means - did she leave a will.
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I don't know if Caroline left a will. I don't think her husband left a will. He was a Potter. Caroline may have been well off from 1st marriage maybe. The Miller girls ran a laundry corner Smith Street and Henry place. The daughter Mary was still running it with her husband Napoleon James bolt untill his death 1870s
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When did Williams first wife die, what was her name. When did William die.
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Williams first wife was Sarah Gore. She died after 1837.william was deceased by 1841 I think. They wouldn't have been married long
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Are you sure that Caroline was married to him and not a sister or other relation
You really need to establish exactly where & when Sarah nee Gore died, also William Henry Miller
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Will get back into my files later today but I have Caroline death cert and said she was widow of William Henry Miller. I will get back this afternoon (I am in Australia) :)
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Would have been a late marriage for Caroline if she was 70ish in 1841 and married 1838/1841.
The 1841 census can be somewhat ambiguous. There is a tick for Joseph in the end column for born Scotland Ireland Foreign parts.
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Baptism of Mary Miller 3 May 1839 says Sarah dec'd.
Sarah Frances Miller death in Lambeth Mar 1839 age 22.
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Seems a bit unlikely for man to lose his 22 yr old wife and then rapidly marry a 70 yr old?
Perhaps Caroline was William’s mother, and her late husband was also a William Henry Miller?
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Oh hang on.
Sarah who died aged 22 in 1839 can’t be the mother of Mary “said to be born 1 Septr 1822” according to her 1839 baptism.
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Ah you're right there
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Sarah Gore married William Henry Miller in 1803 - St Mary, Newington
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Sarah Gore married William Henry Miller in 1803 - St Mary, Newington
Possible children, baptised at St Mary Lambeth
27 May 1804 William Alfred Miller, son of William & Sarah
12 Jan 1806 Louisa Sophia Miller dau of William & Sarah (could be “Louiza”, “30”, with Caroline in 1841)
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Why is it thought Sarah Miller nee Gore died after 1837?
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William was baptized 1780.parents were William and Mary. I don't think Sarah had a middle name. On Matilda's death cert she thought her elder sister Louisa was her mother as Sarah died so early.
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William was baptized 1780.parents were William and Mary. I don't think Sarah had a middle name. On Matilda's death cert she thought her elder sister Louisa was her mother as Sarah died so early.
Who is Matilda? You previously said at reply #4 that Sarah died after 1837 ???
I see that William and Mary also had a son Elisha Ganvey Miller (1788 Lambeth) who may be the Elisha Miller who witnessed Louisa Sophia’s marriage in 1850.
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death certificate for Caroline says she died 19th July 1845 at Smith street /Henry Place aged 81 years. Widow of William Miller [potter].
informant was Louisa Miller, present at death. Smith street.
William married Sarah Gore 4/5/1803 at Newington Surrey. She was born 20/11/1784. parents were William Gore /Mary Smith. William was the son of William Miller and Mary Bramblee. I have made an error with the death for Sarah. The birth of her last child was 1826[not baptism year of 1839] so shee died around 1826 . Elisha Miller was the Brother of William. He was witness to all Williams children marriages [Except I cannot find William Alfred who was born 1803] The family stayed close to Elisha. There was a sister Mary 1778 and also a brother Samuel 1784 who I cannot find.
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the children of William Henry Miller and Sarah Gore were William Alfred Miller 1803, John James 1804, Louisa Sophia 1806. Mary 1822 and Matilda 1826 [Long space between]
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Are you sure about John James 1804? I can see such a person baptised 29 July 1804 at St Mary, Lambeth, but his parents are John & Eleanor.
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,john James, has caused me a lot of grief as well! It maybe a missprińt in the baptism records as in all census were I can find him(including ones where he has Marys children with him, listing himself as their uncle)he is written down as john Joseph and is consistently john Joseph till his death ;D. Mary married Napoleon James bolt
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The 1841 census can be somewhat ambiguous. There is a tick for Joseph in the end column for born Scotland Ireland Foreign parts.
Looking at adjacent pages it looks as though the enumerator was just using the Scotland/Ireland column to tick any people who were not born in Surrey, so he could have been born anywhere. :(
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Thank you. I don't have the end column of the census for some reason. A futile chase I am beginning to think >:(
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Perhaps it should read Joseph Collett.
Doesn't seem to be a Joseph Callett around, plenty of Collett activity in Lambeth.
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Let us know when you find him!
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I am trying Collett as well as any other variables :)