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Hello,
I am trying to find a death of my ancestor -
Israel Munt who was married to Phoebe Munt ( ne Hawtrey )
They were living in Tottenham in 1861 census and he was aged 55
Phoebe was a widow in the 1871 census in Tottenham
The only record I can find is Israel Munt , died 1857 , aged 75 , making him too old
I would be very greatfull for any information
Thank you
Simon
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How old was he on the 1851 and 1841 censuses?
He cannot have died in 1857 if he is alive in 1861, so that must be someone else, not a wrong transcription.
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45 in 1851 (transcribed as Sarah Hunt)
35 in 1841 (transcribed as Mael Mint)
The Mint made me smile never mind the Sarah.
Have you got a death for his widow? Wondering if there was a gravestone for her it might have some details for Israel on it.
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The 1857 death was in Herts and would probably be the 1851 entry for Israel Munt b 1783 Weston Herts and living in Herts.
There is a death in Edmonton RD 1878 for Phoebe aged 80. She was 57 in 1861 and 70 in 1871
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Hi
Phoebe Munt died in 1878 in Tottenham , she was a widow
Also a widow in the 1871 census
I have her death certificate but cannot upload it on here as it says file size is too big ??
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No need to upload. It’s on freebmd. Israel’s death reg is still a mystery
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Ok thanks
Maybe Israel’s death was not registered/ recorded ?
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May be a red herring on Familysearch.Org?
Name ? Munt
Event Type Burial
Burial Date 25 Nov 1861
Burial Place Hackney, Middlesex
Cant find a FreeBMD or GRO Ref for this to confirm name/sex.
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I have her death certificate but cannot upload it on here as it says file size is too big ??
See it here
http://www.whodoyouthinkyouaremagazine.com/forum/topic17463.html#p64089
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Thanks Jon for sending the link from WDYTYA forum
Simon 👍
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25 November 1861 burial is of "St Bn" Munt of 6 Triangle Place.
I'm assuming that "St Bn" means stillborn :'(
Added:
There is another St Bn Munt burial - 5 December 1863 - address this time is Northampton Street.
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Hello
Looking at the Death Certificate, Daughter was present at death giving The Pound Alms Houses, Tottenham, again.
'Munt of Tottenham' search took me to this (unconfirmed, so unsure of accuracy) ...
Burial, 3 Aug 1832, All Hallows Church, Tottenham, Edmonton Hundred, Middlesex, England, Burial of Thomas Munt. Transcript. Thomas Munt of Tottenham ...
http://whozat.x10.mx/tree/ppl/4/3/bec608d899a16d07234.html
Mark
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Thank you
Still trying to find Israel’s death ......a mystery
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Hello
With a first name like Israel, given to Jacob (Israel might be used as an alias name) and the connection with Edmonton (unchecked) and Tottenham, I'm wondering if it was a Jewish burial?
Usually, in England after 1837 you couldn't bury, without a confirmation of Registration of Death slip from the Registrar. My 4 x Gt Grandfather has one issued to the Quakers, but also his Death was Registered too.
I am wondering if Israel was Jewish and owing to some religious customs if the death occurred out of hours or at a weekend, I suspect there was also some process back then of reporting it to a Registrar or other Authority, like a Coroner, Police Constable, or Council.
Although, if a Death goes to a Coroner Investigation / Inquest, the Coroner registers the Death.
Or he died out of the country (outside of the jurisdiction of England & Wales), or on a vessel.
It does seem the Synagogues of Edmonton and Tottenham are now affiliated.
https://www.jewishgen.org/jcr-uk/London/edmonton_tottenham/index.htm
(opens in Chrome)
Perhaps his Death report and the signing off for Burial is amongst Jewish or other records?
Mark
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Hi Mark
That’s a thought
I might try and find out if Israel had a Jewish burial
Thank you
Simon
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General Information
Jewish Registers ...
https://www.genguide.co.uk/source/jewish-registers-of-birth-marriage-and-deathburial/153/
Family Search General Information - England, Jewish Records
https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/England_Jewish_Records
Congregations may still hold Registers.
If attending Jewish meetings a plaque might be on the Wall at their place of Worship.
If death occurred in England and Wales after 1837 the death should be registered with the Registrar of Births, Marriages and Deaths.
Mark
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Hi Mark
Thanks for the reply
Kind regards
Simon