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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Topic started by: BW252 on Wednesday 05 December 18 11:30 GMT (UK)
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I have a John Skriving born 1866 London living in 1871 with grandparents James and Hannah Leach in Kirkby Thore, Westmorland. His parents also living in Kirkby Thore are: John b1844 Glos, Sarah b1844 Devon (dau of James and Hannah and with her mo 1861 unmarried), children Harriet b1867 Herts, George b1868 London and Mary Ann b1871 Westmorland. The surname on both addresses in the census is Skriving. I have tried every combination of this surname and can find no birth details, further census addresses - nothing. Now at my wits end - Sarah is the sister of a Norah Ann Leach who I also had immense problems with (thankfully solved by rootschatters!!!)
hopefully I will be rescued yet again!
Harry
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The General Register Office (GRO) has the birth registration of a
Mary Ann Scriven, Mar Qtr 1871, East Ward, 10b 618 - mother's maiden name Hewitt.
The Mary Ann on the '71 Census is 2 mth old - the registration district is "East Ward" - possibility?
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Can you find birth details for the other children?
Wonder if John is not John ie Robert John or something else :-\
When did parents marry? He could be under Leach if born before they tied the knot.
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John Robert SCRIVEN (b. 14 Feb 1865), Harriett SCRIVEN (b. 21 Aug 1867) and George James SCRIVEN, children of John (a labourer) and Sarah, were all baptised together at St John's Church, Holloway on 5 Sep 1869.
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John Robert SCRIVENS (mmn HEWETT) registered Q1 1866 Hendon 3a 121. Maybe the birth date on the baptismal register is a year out?
The other children also have possible birth registrations with mmn HEWETT or similar.
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Can’t believe he actually did have Robert as a name :o that was just plucked straight out of the air!
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Hi everybody
many thanks for your replies:
Hewitt/Hewett is coming up on a few of the births under Scriven. No marriage for a Leach/Hewitt in those time frames. On 1881, 1891 census John b Glos and Sarah b Bradon Edge Devon fit but still not 100% sure that Skriving is Scriven(s)
H
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Have found a Sarah Hewett b1844 Tiverton, Devon and married a John Scriven(s) 1866 Mar Q in Hendon, London. Looks like back to square one!
H
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What I can't figure out is where 'Bradenage/variants, Devon' was - this doesn't seem to have existed under any spelling.
Annette
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Might just possibly(!) mean Bradninch.
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Might just possibly(!) mean Bradninch.
Now why didn't I think of that - that's it and fits in with what I've unravelled.
First I found James and Hannah Leech in Guernsey on the 1851 census:
James Leech 30 Ag. Lab.
Hannah Leech 32
Sarah Leech 7
John Leech 5
Robert Leech 3
Just states all born England - however, although shown as Leech the surname of the 3 children should read Hewett!
The Sarah Hewett b.1844 Tiverton (mentioned earlier) shows mmn as Chaplen.
I then found a John William Hewett b.1845 Totnes, mmn Chaplin.
Haven't found an obvious birth entry for Robert Hewitt bc.1848.
This Sarah Hewett is clearly the one who married John Scriven 1866 and in 1871 her eldest son John is living, as you know, with James and Hannah Leech as grandson!
So I then looked for a marriage between a James Leech and Hannah Hewett and eventually found it:
James Leech, bachelor, son of William Leech, Tailor
Hannah Hewitt, widow, dau. of John Chaplin, shoemaker
Married 12/2/1850 Chepstow, Monmouthshire
I then looked for a baptism in Bradninch (thank you jonw65) of a Hannah Chaplin:
Hannah Chaplin bp.22/2/1817 Bradninch, dau. of John Chaplin and Sarah (his occupation cordwainer, i.e. shoemaker)
What I can't find, however, is a marriage between a Mr. Hewett/Hewitt and Hannah Chaplin. Alas, the 3 Hewett children do not appear to have been baptised so can't find fathers name that way.
Certainly a family with wanderlust.
Annette
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Annette
wow, you are a star!!!! I saw the Hewett connection but discarded it. I also thought of earlier marriages but could not find any !!!!(age thing I think) What a family this is turning out to be. Sarahs sister Norah Ann gave me great problems as well (solved, of course, by rootschatters!)
many, many thanks to you all for all your help
Harry
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There's an 1840 civil marriage record for Hannah Chaplin and William Hewitt, Tiverton, Devon.
On the '41 Census William (age 25) and Hannah (age 20) Hewett are living in Fore Street, Bradninch, Tiverton.
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Hanes
again thank you so much for your help and would you believe it there is a Henry Chaplin with them!
Harry
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Just to complete things William Hewett 31 died in Chepstow, Monmouthshire Sept.qtr.1849 and birth of son Robert registered with no Christian name in Sept.qtr.1847 Chepstow.
Annette
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Annette
thanks very much for all the help with this family. Now to my next problem???
Harry
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Just to complete things William Hewett 31 died in Chepstow, Monmouthshire Sept.qtr.1849 and birth of son Robert registered with no Christian name in Sept.qtr.1847 Chepstow.
Annette
Just discovered William Hewett and Hannah Chaplin had other children too:
Sarah Chaplin Hewett birth Sept.1841 Tiverton, death Dec.1841 Tiverton
William Hewett birth Dec.1842 Tiverton
Jane Hewett birth Jun.1845 Tiverton
Twins - Roseannah Hewett birth Jun.1849 Chepstow, death Sept.1849 Chepstow
Susannah Hewett ditto ditto
Poor Hannah - losing her husband and newly born twins at roughly the same time.
Annette
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Annette
thanks. I dont think Jane fits in as we already have John William born 1845 Dec Q. I see William b1842 also dies in Sep Q 1849, so that is four at the same time???
H
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Hi jonw65,
I came across your discussion board when I was researching my family through dna and family trees (My Heritage). Hannah Leach (born Chaplin) is my direct ancestor from 6 generations and I have a had a few clarifications from other members of my family from 1818 onwards. I’m not sure what your connection may be but if you need information I may be able to help.