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An ancestors brother, William Cubbon, was found guilty of forgery in the Isle of Man in 1847 and was transported on the HASHEMY in 1848 to Tasmania with a 10 year sentence. Watching a programme yesterday it was mentioned that the locals wouldn’t let this ship disembark so the inmates were sent to South Australia with a ‘Ticket of Leave’
Is there anyway of finding out what happened to William Cubbon? Did he survive journey? Is there a copy of these tickets of leave? Census for South Australia?
He left behind a wife and three daughters and can’t find that he returned.
Thanks
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I'm sure the experts will be along soon , but in the meantime I found this record for William Cubbon
William Cubbon , tried at the Isle of Man Assizes 13 Jan 1847
Ten years Commutation - Forging a Deed
12 June 1849 - T of Leave 49/297 for Moreton Bay
Hired by Mr George Thorn of Ipswich at £18 per annum
Below this entry and crossed through
30 June 1851 ( possibly 7 ) Ticket of leave cancelled . Absent from District.
It appears that it was Sydney where the citizens did not want the convicts to land and in William's case he went to Queensland , not South Australia. See this article on Trove :
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01n4v/
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Hi,
1874 Queensland Post Office Directory
FARMERS
CUBBON William, Ballakinagg, Ipswich.
Gerry
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Ticket of Leave cancelled and description (1st column)
1851 'THE undermentioned Prisoners of the Crown, holding tickets of leave, being absent from', New South Wales Government Gazette (Sydney, NSW : 1832 - 1900), 22 August, p. 1375. , viewed 06 Dec 2018, http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article230770818
M
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Thank you so much everyone for your help. Much appreciated.
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Queensland, the colony, was not hived off from the colony of New South Wales until 1859.
JM
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A possible death?
Qld death 1877#C1109 William CUBBON; Father-Robert Cubbon; Mother-Margaret Wade
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Re the ship Hashemy
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01n4y/ 24 page pdf
https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/series/12223 includes the following extract from the summary:
The "Hashemy" arrived in June 1849 following a revision in the penal system. Immediately there was very strong public protest in New South Wales. In spite of this agitation, most of the convicts were landed at Sydney (and sent to country areas), leaving 59 to be sent to Moreton Bay. All subsequent transports were instructed to proceed to that district.
This volume records the history of the individual convicts landed off the "Hashemy", noting tickets of leave, passports and pardons received, assignments, any later convictions, death etc.
http://members.iinet.net.au/~perthdps/convicts/park14.html
JM
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https://dictionaryofsydney.org/entry/the_end_of_transportation
The article at that link is dated 2008 and was prepared by the author of a book published in 1999.
JM
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Looks as if he met a bit of a sad end.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/181787484
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/122574948
Sue
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In 1887 a man named John Crowe was killed in an accident. This news item mentions, as the victims first wife, the daughter of William CUBBON and gives him a nickname.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/84113876
In 1870 mispelt as CUBBIN, a tale of falling out, assault and battery between William CUBBON and the above mentioned son-in-law, John CROWE who was also from the Isle of Man.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/130841463
Sue
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Here is the death of that woman (the daughter)
1877 C2310 Isabella CROWE
Parents William CUBBON Margaret KERNISH
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https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/122574399
On 5th June at of Sandy Creek Mt Brisbane Isabella The wife of Mr John Crowe aged 43 years
Sue
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This may be the CROWE couple arriving in Brisbane
Per Warren Hastings
John CROWE
Age 32
From Southampton, England
To Brisbane
On 20 Jun 1864
With
Isabella CROWE
Age 30
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Looks like it took an extended period to settle his estate as there appear to be multiple claims on his Estate. His file would have all the details and make an interesting read.
http://www.archivessearch.qld.gov.au/Search/ItemDetails.aspx?ItemId=2809895
Series 4486 ID 2809895 Ecclesiastical (will) file CUBBON William 8583 Start date 1/1/1857 End Date 31/12/1900
Queensland Times, Ipswich Herald and General Advertiser 11 Sept 1877 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/122575195
Intestacy Notice To Creditors
The Brisbane Courier 26 Oct 1878 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/1376055
Letters of Administration
William Cubbon, late of Brassall
The Telegraph Brisbane 2 Feb 1895 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/173757124
IN THE SUPREME COURT OF
QUEENSLAND.
Ecclesiastical Jurisdiction.
In the WILL and CODICIL of WILLIAM CUBBON, late of Jeebropilly, near Ipswich, in the Colony of Queensland, Free holder, deceased.
Notice is hereby given that, after the expiration of fourteen days from the publication hereof, application will be made to the said Honourable Court that LETTERS of ADMINISTRATION, with the Will and Codicil annexed, of all and singular the Lands, Goods, Chattels. Credits, and Effects of the
abovenamed William Cubbon, deceased, may be GRANTED to HENRY SCHACHT, of Brisbane, in the Colony of Queensland, Solicitor, and lawfully constituted Attorney of Esther Wood (formerly Esther Cubbon), of 14 Highfield street, Liverpool, England, the wife William Wood, of the same place, retired Team Owner, a devisee and residuary legatee under the said Will.
The Brisbane Courier 17 Nov 1913 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/19914293
Name of Deceased Proprietor-William Cubbon late of Jeebropilly, near Ipswich
Date of Death -22nd August 1877
Name of Claimant-Esther Wood (nee Cubbon) wife of William Wood, of Liverpool England
Daily Standard 6 May 1918 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/179401726
Name of Deceased Proprietor. William Cubbon, late of Jeebropilly, near Ipswich.
Date of Death.—22nd August, 1877.
Name of Claimant.—Margaret Ann Martin, wife of Thomas Philip Hugh Martin.
Description and Situation of Land: Portions 120, 121, and 139, county of Churchill, parish of Jeebropilly.
Estate Claimed to be Transmitted.—Estate in fee-tail.
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Hi.
1874 Queensland Post Office Directory
FARMERS
CROWE John, Jeebropilly, Ipswich.
Gerry
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Thank you all. Makes very interesting reading. He was found guilty of forging his Mother’s Will in his favour, rather than his sister. His Father was still alive and I think he was the person to report his son. Interesting his daughters followed him over.
Also found article that someone met similar death a few years before!
July 22 1871
MAGISTERIAL INQUIRY
A magisterial inquiry into the cause of the death of GEORGE GRAHAM, found dead at a waterhole at Three-mile Creek, on the 19th instant, was held by the police magistrate, at the house of WILLIAM CUBBON, of Jebropilly, on Thursday last. EDWIN COLLETT deposed to having discovered the body of deceased, whom he knew by sight and by name, lying in a waterhole in Mr. Cubbon’s paddock, at Three-mile Creek; deceased was on his belly with his face in the water; there was only four or five inches of water where his face lay......witness got the assistance of GEORGE WHITNEY. William Cubbon deposed to having seen the body of the deceased.....he knew the deceased who had been in the habit of going to his house occasionally. ROBERT ALLEN deposed as to the identification of the body, who was a widower aged 33 years, and was born in County Tyrone, Ireland; deceased was Presbyterian and had a daughter living with her grandmother in Brisbane......... (Queensland Times, Ipswich Herald and General Advertiser)
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Interesting his daughters followed him over.
Perhaps you have information I have not seen, but I do not see that any daughters other than Isabella came to Australia.
Margaret MARTIN died in Flintshire in Jan 1903 England. Probate/effects etc to husband Thomas Philip Hugh MARTIN in 1920, 17 years after her death.
The son of Margaret MARTIN applied 1914 for subdivision of the Jeebropilly land. He was a seaman and in Brisbane, QLD
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/176419988
Esther WOOD (nee CUBBON) likewise seems to have remained in England with her husband William whom she married in 1863. They can be seen together on the census data 1871 and 1891.
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I have edited and deleted portion of the information here as I feel unsure about it and do not want to mislead and confuse.
The news items regarding the wrangles over the property in Jeebropilly do not actually say that either of these women is in Australia.
Further details available if needed.
Sue
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Thank you, yes, only one daughter.
I haven’t got access to ancestry at the moment, would love to see census details on the daughters and families, and where they were in Liverpool. Was Margaret in Flintshire in 1901?
Was the Will ever sorted? What was the problem? Anywhere to find this information out?
It’s ironic that he was transported for allegedly forging his Mother’s Will and the subsequent wrangle of his own.
Thanks again
San
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Thank you, yes, only one daughter.
I haven’t got access to ancestry at the moment, would love to see census details on the daughters and families, and where they were in Liverpool. Was Margaret in Flintshire in 1901?
Was the Will ever sorted? What was the problem? Anywhere to find this information out?
It’s ironic that he was transported for allegedly forging his Mother’s Will and the subsequent wrangle of his own.
Thanks again
San
You don’t need Ancestry for most censuses, use FamilySearch, which is free.
Margaret on the 1901: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X91Z-KQY
1891: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4YJ6-92M
Possible for Thomas 1891: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:44N8-LT2
Jamjar
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Baptisms for children of Margaret and Thomas:
1864 Thomas Cubbon Martin: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X5GZ-KHV
1867 Margaret Isabella Martin: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X5GZ-9H2
1870 John Robert Martin: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X5GQ-4D8
1872 Alice Esther Martin: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X5GZ-S98
1874 Charlotte Martin: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X5GZ-SFJ
Jamjar
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Esther Wood on censuses. No children with them:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBX1-L85
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27L-SCWV
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:79TF-DMM
Jamjar
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Was the Will ever sorted? What was the problem? Anywhere to find this information out?
It’s ironic that he was transported for allegedly forging his Mother’s Will and the subsequent wrangle of his own.
Thanks again
San
Ecclesiastical (will) file for William CUBBON. A Rootschatter visiting the QLD Archives may generously copy this file for you.
I suggest you start a new post on Rootschat Australia Board requesting “Qld State Archives Lookup Please” and provide details and link to Ecclesiastical (will) file for William CUBBON. http://www.archivessearch.qld.gov.au/Search/ItemDetails.aspx?ItemId=2809895
You could also order a copy from Qld State Archives (get a quote first and then pay online) but this option would probably be quite expensive.
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Adding some details:
Daily Standard 6May1918
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/179401726 (2nd last column and over to last column)
GOVERNMENT ADVERTISEMENTS.
TRANSMISSION BY DEATH.
REAL PROPERTY ACTS OF 1861
AND 1877.
Notice Is hereby given that applications have been made for the Registration of Transmission of Title to the lands hereinafter mentioned. Particulars of such applications are given beIow, and any person desiring to oppose must do so by lodging a Caveat on or before the day specified at the Principal Office of the Registrar of Titles in Brisbane, unless the Lands are situated within the Central or Northern Districts, in which case the Caveat must he lodged at the local District Registry at Rockhampton or Townsville.
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Name of Deceased Proprietor. William Cubbon, late of Jeebropilly near Ipswich.
Date of Death.—22nd August, 1877
Name of Claimant.—Margaret Ann Martin, wife of Thomas Philip Hugh Martin.
Description and Situation of Land. Portions 120, 121, and 139, county of Churchill, parish of Jeebropllly.
Estate Claimed to be Transmitted.— Estate in fee-tail.
GOVERNMENT ADVERTISEMENTS
Particulars of Will or Otherwise.—Will and Codicil, both dated 18th February, 1869.
Date within which Caveat may be Lodged.—11th June, 1918
Name of Deceased Proprietress.— Margaret Ann Martin aforesaid.
Date of Death.—30th January, 1903
Name of Claimant.—John Robert Martin, of Brisbane, seaman.
Description and Situation of Land.—Portion 120, 121, and 139, county of Churchill, parish of Jeebropilly.
Estate Claimed to be Transmitted.— Estate in fee-tail.
Particulars of Will or Otherwise.— Will and Codicil of William Cubbon, both dated 18th February, 1869.
Date within which Caveat may be Lodged.—11th June, 1918.
Similar notice https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/215433936
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Is this your line?
naa.gov.au (can request a copy (for a fee)
MARTIN, John Robert; age 42; born - Ramsay Isle of Man; enlisted - Enoggera Brisbane Qld [occupation - mariner; includes documents relating to an 'illegal absence']
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In 1913 the issues with the will were still going.
I think Esther had died in 1895 and William had died in 1894, but had this news not reached the parties in Australia? :-\
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/19914293
From the UK probate calendar -
WOOD, William of Highfield Street in Liverpool died on 19th May 1894. Probate Liverpool to Esther WOOD, widow, effects 5 pounds , 2 shillings and threepence.
ESTHER deaths Isle of Man
Esther WOOD
Marital Status- Widowed
Age 52
Birth Date-1843
Death Date-14 Jan 1895
Death Place-Ramsey, Ramsey, Isle of Man
Spouse-William Wood
FHL Film Number 454972
Reference ID p221 398
Sue