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Title: Singleton Burial
Post by: jinks on Wednesday 05 December 18 22:40 GMT (UK)
Please can someone decipher this burial its reportedly a burial of Ann Singleton BUT I can't see it! I can see Robert Singleton of Brockholes but struggling with the rest
Title: Re: Singleton Burial
Post by: horselydown86 on Thursday 06 December 18 02:37 GMT (UK)
The key word is the first:  uxor

uxor Rob(er)ti Singleton de Brock(h)all gen(erosi)                    }
                                                                                                         }   decembris
sep: apud Samsburie duodecimo die                                          }


The wife of Robert Singleton of Brock(h)all gentleman
was buried at Samsburie on the twelfth day of December


The deceased is not named, unless it is outside the clip in the left margin.

What place is this?  I tried some searches but the supermarket chain dominated the results.
Title: Re: Singleton Burial
Post by: Maiden Stone on Thursday 06 December 18 02:58 GMT (UK)

What place is this?  I tried some searches but the supermarket chain dominated the results.

Salmesbury in Lancashire? It might be Salesbury, near Wilpshire in Lancashire. They are all little places near Blackburn and Preston. There's a village called Brockhall.
Title: Re: Singleton Burial
Post by: horselydown86 on Thursday 06 December 18 03:11 GMT (UK)
Could well be, MS.  The l in Salmesbury might be silent.

I did see a Salesbury on the same map, between Salmesbury and Brockhall, just to confuse the matter.

ADDED:

Just saw your additions to the post.  Sorry for the repetition.
Title: Re: Singleton Burial
Post by: Maiden Stone on Thursday 06 December 18 03:16 GMT (UK)
Could well be, MS.  The l in Salmesbury might be silent.

I did see a Salesbury on the same map, between Salmesbury and Brockhall, just to confuse the matter.

 I pronounce it with silent letter "l" and a long "a".

Edit. I first took it to be Salmesbury. I didn't remember Salesbury until later. The former is well-known. I went there on a church outing once.
Title: Re: Singleton Burial
Post by: horselydown86 on Thursday 06 December 18 03:26 GMT (UK)
Given what you have said, and given that the writer always dots his i, I will change the transcript to Samsburie.
Title: Re: Singleton Burial
Post by: Maiden Stone on Thursday 06 December 18 03:39 GMT (UK)
I've looked at Lancashire Online Parish Clerks and a Lancashire map. Modern spelling is Samlesbury. I've been spelling it incorrectly all this time.   :-[
The church dates from Tudor times.
Title: Re: Singleton Burial
Post by: jinks on Thursday 06 December 18 09:58 GMT (UK)
Its Salmesbury The Lady is question was originally a Southworth from Salmesbury Hall and the Robert was from Brockhall or Brockholes just down the road but Thankyou 
Title: Re: Singleton Burial
Post by: jinks on Thursday 06 December 18 10:00 GMT (UK)
And to confuse matters so to speak this is from the Parish Records of St John's PRESTON don't you just love Family History  :D
Title: Re: Singleton Burial
Post by: jinks on Thursday 06 December 18 10:20 GMT (UK)
Shucks I did it too Samlesbury but Salmesbury was an earlier variant
Title: Re: Singleton Burial
Post by: Maiden Stone on Friday 07 December 18 00:01 GMT (UK)
Shucks I did it too Samlesbury but Salmesbury was an earlier variant

It's that elusive letter, silently wandering to deliberately confuse us.

Virtual tours of Samlesbury Hall are available. https://www.samlesburyhall.co.uk
Under heading History on website:
"1185 The de Samlesbury family
The first recorded lord of Samlesbury was Cospatric de Samlesbury."
He was thought to be of mixed Norse, Saxon and Irish descent. That just about sums up my maternal lineage. King Robert the Bruce raided the place while Lancastrians were busy falling out among themselves.
Another part of the history section tells about the dismembered body of martyred Saint John Southworth being sewn together and taken to Douai.
Title: Re: Singleton Burial
Post by: Maiden Stone on Friday 07 December 18 00:06 GMT (UK)
And to confuse matters so to speak this is from the Parish Records of St John's PRESTON don't you just love Family History  :D

Perhaps they had a house in town? Or the lady died during a visit. When was the burial?
Title: Re: Singleton Burial
Post by: jinks on Friday 07 December 18 01:45 GMT (UK)
1617
found a possible burial for Robert in the same Records
1623 just need more proof its the right one  ::)
Burial of Robert Singleton just doesn't cut it!

Yes The Blessed St John Southworth persecuted due to being a Catholic
Think his body now lies in Westminster

His Father was John Southworth allegedly and Grandfather Sir John Southworth - High Sheriff of Lancashire