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Title: William STANBURY born 4 Oct 1796 Hatherleigh, Devon.
Post by: JamesDMcBust on Thursday 06 December 18 15:37 GMT (UK)
I am researching the descendants of this person and I’m finding some difficulty in following him through the census records.

William Stanbury b.1796 Hatherleigh (parents Peter & Ann) married Mary Maunder b.1794 Plymouth, on 22 Dec 1816 at St Andrews, Plymouth.

They had 3 children:
1)   Mary Ann Stanbury b.1817 Plymouth – marries Samuel Bagshaw in 1838 Pembroke.
2)   Peter Angel Stanbury b.1820 Plymouth – marries Mary Harris, in Monkton, Pembs in 1841
3)   William Angel Stanbury b.1826 Plymouth – marries Ann Howells in 1848 at Pembroke Dock

I had been told by a relative that William Stanbury had died in 1867 in Pembroke Dock. My grandmother was born in Pembroke Dock so at some point William Stanbury and/or his daughter Mary Ann (my line) moved from Devon to Pembrokeshire.

On William b.1796’s marriage record he is listed as a mariner. His son William b.1826 was also a mariner.  His 3 children married in Pembrokeshire but I can't find concrete evidence of William in the census records.

1841 William Stanbury b. 1796 – living Devon, with dau Jane b.1826

1851 Mary Ann Stanbury b.1827 housekeeper born Steyton, tog. With Mary Stanbury (mmn Maunder?) mother-in-law b.1786 married (captain’s wife lodger) born Plymouth, Mary Stansbury 17m born Milford and Samuel Bagshaw lodge b.1846 Pembrokeshire. All residing in Back Road, Steynton, Haverfordwest.

1851 William Stanbury b.1795 widower born Plymouth, occupation Leich R N employed in Coastguard, tog. With unmarr dau Jane E b.1825 Plymouth and grand dau Sarah born 1845 Plymouth.  All residing Greenway Station, Coast Guard, Rottingdean, Lewes, Sussex.
1861 William Stanbury b.1797 widower, Master Mariner Pensioner of Merchant Funds, born Hatherleigh, residing Victoria Road Steynton, Haverfordwest.

1861 William Stanbury b.1796 widower b.1796 Retired Commander R N, born Devonport, tog. with grand dau Sarah E born 1849 Plymouth. Both residing in Brighton, Sussex.
In the first 1851 above could it be that Mary’s husband Peter Stanbury is away at sea? She has a young child and perhaps mother-in-law Mary is staying with her offering help? Maybe William senior is not with them because he, too, is at sea? This Samuel Bagshaw eventually marries Mary Ann Stanbury b.1817 but haven’t worked out why he is staying with this family at this time. I think this is my family.

I think I am finding two families. What do people think?
Did William move to west Wales – if so, is it possible to know when?
When did Mary Stanbury die (William is a widower by 1861)?
Did William Stanbury die in Pembroke Dock on 17 Aug 1867?
Any help/suggestions would be appreciated.
 :-\
Title: Re: William STANBURY born 4 Oct 1796 Hatherleigh, Devon.
Post by: arishmell on Friday 07 December 18 09:13 GMT (UK)
I don't immediately have an answer for you, but wanted to register an interest because Peter STANBURY and Anne ANGEL are my greatx5 grandparents through their daughter Ann who married John FEWINGS.  I haven't yet followed any of their other children down, but it will be an interesting challenge for the wet days ahead!  I'll let you know if I find anything.
Title: Re: William STANBURY born 4 Oct 1796 Hatherleigh, Devon.
Post by: JamesDMcBust on Friday 07 December 18 09:47 GMT (UK)
Thanks Arishmell - I'm sure there will be plenty of wet days on the way.  :)
Title: Re: William STANBURY born 4 Oct 1796 Hatherleigh, Devon.
Post by: hanes teulu on Friday 07 December 18 10:19 GMT (UK)
Welshnewspapers online - Mary Stanbury

https://newspapers.library.wales

search key = stanbury and use date slider bars to restrict search to 1858

I originally checked for stanbury, no date restrictions and checked results decade by decade (filters). You may wish to do same
Title: Re: William STANBURY born 4 Oct 1796 Hatherleigh, Devon.
Post by: DOB7 on Friday 07 December 18 15:16 GMT (UK)
A William STANBURY aged 71 died in Pembroke district 1867 so born 1796. The burial states his address was Pembroke Dock. You'll need to obtain the death certificate to see who was the informant and may be a possible clue. He appears to be the one shown in the 1861 census for Pembrokeshire, born Hatherleigh.
Title: Re: William STANBURY born 4 Oct 1796 Hatherleigh, Devon.
Post by: JamesDMcBust on Friday 07 December 18 17:16 GMT (UK)
Bingo!  Great result from the Rootschat team.  So Mary Stanbury died on 15 October 1858 which ties in with William senior living at Pembroke Dock when he died on 1867.  I have Mary mmn Maunder's baptism 10 Sept 1794 but this has to be the right person.  Thank you.
Title: Re: William STANBURY born 4 Oct 1796 Hatherleigh, Devon.
Post by: JamesDMcBust on Friday 07 December 18 17:53 GMT (UK)
In the 1841 census I have found a Mary T Stanbury age 50 born Devon, with an Elizabeth Stanbury (age not clear, but she was not born in Devon). This Mary is a school mistress and Elizabeth has independence means. The address is Islands, Plympton Maurice, Plympton St May, Devon.

This is the same address as for William Stanbury with a Jane B Stanbury in the 1841 census. The same William and dau Jane (with grand dau Sarah) in the 1851 census who now live in Sussex.

Mary Stanbury lodging with her daughter in law in Haverfordwest in 1851 without her husband, although it states she is married.

Could they have separated?  And who are Elizabeth and Jane B?


Title: Re: William STANBURY born 4 Oct 1796 Hatherleigh, Devon.
Post by: crimea1854 on Friday 07 December 18 21:50 GMT (UK)
I'm sorry, but I'm not convinced the Lieut. William Stanbury in the 1851 & 1861 census's is your ancestor. The reason I say this is because O'Byrne's Naval Biography has him serving on ships where, according to records at the National Archives, he allotted some of his pay to his mother Jenifer, which is contrary to the parents of the William you are attempting to trace ( http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C16476023 (http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C16476023))

Martin
Title: Re: William STANBURY born 4 Oct 1796 Hatherleigh, Devon.
Post by: JamesDMcBust on Friday 07 December 18 22:52 GMT (UK)
I take your point Martin, I've never been happy with my findings on this man.

I  know  for definite that Margaret Ann Bagshaw b.1857 Pembroke Dock married James Lee Rees b.1857 Steynton in 1878. They were my 2 x great grandparents.

I'm confident that Margaret's parents were Samuel Bagshaw b.1819 Tenby and Mary Ann Angel Stanbury b.1817 Plymouth.

Not so sure but still think that Mary Ann Angel Stanbury's parents were William Stanbury b.1796 Hatherleigh and Mary Maunder b.1794 Plymouth.

Again I've thought that William Stanbury's parents were Peter Stanbury b.1754 Inwardleigh and Ann Angell b.1757 Hatherleigh.

On the marriage image for Samuel Bagshaw to Mary Ann Stanbury, her father, William is listed as a mariner. If he did relocate from Devon to Pembrokeshire I was reasoning that he would have most probably been a mariner of sorts.
Title: Re: William STANBURY born 4 Oct 1796 Hatherleigh, Devon.
Post by: crimea1854 on Saturday 08 December 18 09:35 GMT (UK)
Just another googly for you, there is a record at the NA for a James Angell Stanbury with yet different parents! Given the unusual middle name one has to wonder if there is a family connection?

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C14934386 (http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C14934386)


Martin
Title: Re: William STANBURY born 4 Oct 1796 Hatherleigh, Devon.
Post by: hanes teulu on Saturday 08 December 18 10:31 GMT (UK)
FindMyPast has 4 mariner records  for a Wm/William Stanbury, 1795/1797 - born Hatherleigh/Hatherly?

There are other possible records for a Willaim Stanbury/Stansbury, born Plymouth.

One mentions "... master, Pembroke Castle ..."
Title: Re: William STANBURY born 4 Oct 1796 Hatherleigh, Devon.
Post by: JamesDMcBust on Saturday 08 December 18 11:04 GMT (UK)
Can you please tell me how to find the one that says "Master, Pembroke Castle"? I've tried putting this into the keywords bit without success.  :'(
Title: Re: William STANBURY born 4 Oct 1796 Hatherleigh, Devon.
Post by: arishmell on Saturday 08 December 18 12:08 GMT (UK)
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Again I've thought that William Stanbury's parents were Peter Stanbury b.1754 Inwardleigh and Ann Angell b.1757 Hatherleigh.

I have proved to my own satisfaction that my greatx5 grandfather Peter STANBURY who married Ann ANGEL is NOT Peter STANBURY son of Samuel and Mary,  baptised Inwardleigh 28 Apr 1754.  This Peter married Martha YEO 27 Mar 1780 at Inwardleigh

I have also checked and discounted a possible will:

1078/IRW/S/1335  1818
These documents are held at Devon Record Office
Contents:
Peter Stanbury of Inwardleigh, Devon

The will refers to his wife Martha.

I have not identified Peter STANBURY, though I have Ann ANGEL's line back to the 1600s.
Title: Re: William STANBURY born 4 Oct 1796 Hatherleigh, Devon.
Post by: hanes teulu on Saturday 08 December 18 15:31 GMT (UK)
Can you please tell me how to find the one that says "Master, Pembroke Castle"? I've tried putting this into the keywords bit without success.  :'(

Why not just search for "william stanbury, born 1795 +/- 2 years" and check the 4 hits returned.
Title: Re: William STANBURY born 4 Oct 1796 Hatherleigh, Devon.
Post by: hanes teulu on Saturday 08 December 18 15:44 GMT (UK)
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3328660/3328663/18/

see "Ship News - Milford arrived"
Title: Re: William STANBURY born 4 Oct 1796 Hatherleigh, Devon.
Post by: JamesDMcBust on Saturday 08 December 18 17:36 GMT (UK)
Arishmell, have you considered whether my William's parents were the Peter and Anna Stanbury who baptised their William on 25 Dec 1795 in Bickleigh, Plymouth?

I think I have found a burial for Peter in Bickleigh, Plymouth on 27 Oct 1816 for him which gives a birth year of 1760. Also a possible baptism for him onn 24 August 1766 at St Giles on the Heath (father: William, mother: Mary).

St Giles on the Heath is about 25 miles from Hatherleigh, and slightly longer to Bickleigh, Plymouth.
Title: Re: William STANBURY born 4 Oct 1796 Hatherleigh, Devon.
Post by: arishmell on Saturday 08 December 18 18:00 GMT (UK)
I have no doubt that William STANBURY who married Mary MAUNDER is the son of Peter STANBURY and Ann ANGEL, baptised Hatherleigh 4 Oct 1796.  Their three children were all given the middle name ANGEL, and one of the witnesses at the marriage was Margaret FELIX.  William's older sister Margaret (baptised Hatherleigh 27 Jun 1788) married Edward FELIX 13 Jul 1807 in East Stonehouse.
Title: Re: William STANBURY born 4 Oct 1796 Hatherleigh, Devon.
Post by: hanes teulu on Sunday 09 December 18 11:52 GMT (UK)
Coastguard "sightings"

Naval and Military Gazette & Weekly Chronicle of the United Services, 31 July 1841
"NAVAL INTELLIGENCE - Coast Guard
Lieutenant - William Stanbury (1815) to be Chief Officer"

Shipping and Mercantile Gazette, 30 Dec 1850
"ROYAL NAVY
The following coastguard removals have taken place - Lieutenants: ...; William Stanbury, from the Enchantress, to Greenway coastguard station; ..."
Title: Re: William STANBURY born 4 Oct 1796 Hatherleigh, Devon.
Post by: hanes teulu on Sunday 09 December 18 12:19 GMT (UK)
Brighton Gazette, 28 Oct 1841

It carries a report of " ... the preventative men of the Enchantress station, under the command of Lieutenant Stanbury ... " attempting to save a French sloop in difficulties.
It mentions "He (ie. Lt Stanbury) then, accompanied by his son, at the utmost peril of life ..."
Title: Re: William STANBURY born 4 Oct 1796 Hatherleigh, Devon.
Post by: JamesDMcBust on Sunday 09 December 18 15:36 GMT (UK)
Revisiting the baptisms of Peter and Ann Stanbury who baptised all their children in Hatherleigh between 1786 and 1802,  I noticed that on the baptism of Peter Stanbury on 14 Nov 1790 the word "pauper" is listed. Not on all of the others though. 

Then I picked up on the ship news entry on the welsh newspapers on line …. Arrived - Milford, the Pembroke Castle, Stanbury 19 Dec 1835.

Transcriptions of British merchant seamen, 1835-57 … where I was found several entries for Stanbury's.

55.421 - Peter Stanbury, 23, Plymouth dates in 1843 with ship names, rank (not clear)
55.422 - William Stanbury, 41, Devonshire date that looks like 1845 and ship name, rank (unclear, Sd?)
55.423 - Peter Stanbury, 53, Hatherleigh, date in 1844 and ship name, rank CK
55.417 - William Stanbury, 46, Hatherleigh, dates in 1843 and the ships names "Pembroke Castle".  Rank C.

Entry 55.417 - this William Stanbury surely must be same person arriving on the Pembroke Castle at Milford in 1835? This entry gives the correct birth year and birth place as my William.

I can't clearly understanding the ranking abbreviations on these entries. Knowing if entry 55.417 was a ship's captain would help me with identifying the William Stanburys in the census records. 

Your thoughts please.

Also, wondering whether 55.423 could have been William's older brother Peter Stanbury. Correct birth year and place.





Title: Re: William STANBURY born 4 Oct 1796 Hatherleigh, Devon.
Post by: hanes teulu on Sunday 09 December 18 16:38 GMT (UK)
I usually refer to this guide when checking records -

http://nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/abbreviations-merchant-seamens-records/
Title: Re: William STANBURY born 4 Oct 1796 Hatherleigh, Devon.
Post by: JamesDMcBust on Sunday 09 December 18 16:53 GMT (UK)
Thanks, a useful reference - I'll save that.
So 55.417 was Captain on the ship and 55.423 was a cook.(I can't make out the other two though).


Title: Re: William STANBURY born 4 Oct 1796 Hatherleigh, Devon.
Post by: hanes teulu on Sunday 09 December 18 17:58 GMT (UK)
Bingo!  Great result from the Rootschat team.  So Mary Stanbury died on 15 October 1858 which ties in with William senior living at Pembroke Dock when he died on 1867.  I have Mary mmn Maunder's baptism 10 Sept 1794 but this has to be the right person.  Thank you.

Just to clarify - William Stanbury, R.N/Coastguard, was a widower on the 1851 Census.

The Mary that died 1858 would appear to fit the 1851 Census entry for -
Mary Stanbury, age 65, mother in law, Captain's wife lodger, born Plymouth
Title: Re: William STANBURY born 4 Oct 1796 Hatherleigh, Devon.
Post by: JamesDMcBust on Sunday 09 December 18 22:35 GMT (UK)
I still think that the 1851 census entry for Mary Stanbury (mother-in-law) married birth year 1786 Captains wife, lodge, born Plymouth, Devon is right. William might be at sea for this census. I'm guessing that Mary Ann Stanbury (head) must be her daughter in law who was married to Peter Stanbury, Mary's son.  He fits the bill as the cook on the British Merchant Seamen list below. As he is not listed, he would also be at sea.

But the main reason I still think these folk are mine is the lodger, Samuel Bagshaw, living with them - he was my great grand uncle and who eventually went on to marry Margaret Ann Angel Stanbury.

I still don't have a record for William or Mary in 1841 - could they both be at sea?
I think I'm saying William is at sea in 1851.
And William :-[ is the person I quote on the 1861 census, as a widower living in Haverfordwest - a Master Mariner Pension of Merchant Funds. He is dead by the 1871 census.

Do you agree?

 ???
Title: Re: William STANBURY born 4 Oct 1796 Hatherleigh, Devon.
Post by: hanes teulu on Monday 10 December 18 09:24 GMT (UK)
Thanks - just wanted to rule out William the coastguard ie.
1) William Stanbury (Lieut RN) married Theresa Anderson 6 Feb 1817, Plympton
2) Jane Elizabeth Parrimore Stanbury, bap 20 Mar 1823, parents William (Lieut RN) and Theresa
3) GRO Death registration Theresa Stanbury, Mar Qtr 1851, Lewes,  age 64

Re. "Mary Stanbury, died Oct 14 1858, residence Milford, age 75" (parish burial register) and "Mary, age 75, wife of Captain W. Stanbury" (newspaper death notice) the age at death does not "fit" the Mary Maunder, born 1794 - your initial post. I can see a Mary Maunder bap 1783 (Saltash) and 1785 (Devonport) as possibles.
Note - cannot find a GRO death registartion for this Mary.

There's a Mary Stanbury/Felix link at HO107  274  25  45
Title: Re: William STANBURY born 4 Oct 1796 Hatherleigh, Devon.
Post by: arishmell on Monday 10 December 18 11:54 GMT (UK)
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Also, wondering whether 55.423 could have been William's older brother Peter Stanbury. Correct birth year and place.

Peter Stanbury was a Royal Navy man, he married his first wife Sarah Valdrey in 1818 in Portsmouth, Hampshire, and they are together in Stoke Damerel in 1851 where he is a Greenwich Pensioner.
Title: Re: William STANBURY born 4 Oct 1796 Hatherleigh, Devon.
Post by: arishmell on Monday 10 December 18 12:17 GMT (UK)
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Revisiting the baptisms of Peter and Ann Stanbury who baptised all their children in Hatherleigh between 1786 and 1802,  I noticed that on the baptism of Peter Stanbury on 14 Nov 1790 the word "pauper" is listed. Not on all of the others though.

Peter STANBURY and Ann ANGEL married in 1781 but did not start baptising children in Hatherleigh until 1786.  I wonder if there were any earlier children elsewhere?  There is an Elizabeth STANBERRY daughter of Peter and Ann baptised in Brixham in 1784.  It might fit with Peter being a seafarer who "swallowed the anchor" and settled down inland where his wife's family were well established. but whose sons went to sea in their turn.  I can't find anything else about this Elizabeth though!
Title: Re: William STANBURY born 4 Oct 1796 Hatherleigh, Devon.
Post by: JamesDMcBust on Monday 10 December 18 15:50 GMT (UK)
I have inherited a very old part of a tree from Thomas Angell down to my mother, which, I was told was created after her father went down to London to research the information. Of Peter Stanbury and Ann Angell it states that they had 4 sons and 4 daughters 1784 - 1802 (no actual names/birth dates) just William born 1796, died 1867.  I had inserted a female unknown entry for 1784 in my tree.

I had seen the birth of Elizabeth Stanberry on 7 March 1784 at Brixham (Peter and Ann Stanbury) but had discounted it, as it was out of the area. But supposing they had for some reason started off their married life away from Hatherleigh it's possible they could have lived in Brixham.  I found a burial of an Elizabeth Stanbury on 6 May 1788 at Bere Ferrers.  The thing is, Peter & Ann were having children at Hatherleigh by then, so its unlikely that this Elizabeth could not have been theirs.

 
Title: Re: William STANBURY born 4 Oct 1796 Hatherleigh, Devon.
Post by: JamesDMcBust on Tuesday 11 December 18 17:19 GMT (UK)
 
[/quote]But the main reason I still think these folk are mine is the lodger, Samuel Bagshaw, living with them - he was my great grand uncle and who eventually went on to marry Margaret Ann Angel Stanbury.


Just realised the last bit is wrong. Samuel Bagshaw b.1818 married Margaret Ann Angel Stanbury. The lodger Samuel Bagshaw b.1846 in the 1851 census was the grandson of Mary Stanbury. For some reason he is staying in Haverfordwest in the household of his aunt and not with his mother, father and siblings William, Mary Ann and Sarah in Saint Mary, Pembroke.  :-\