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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Mayo => Topic started by: salt on Friday 07 December 18 12:56 GMT (UK)
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I have a mystery regarding the two deaths of Patrick Padden, and I would be grateful for any suggestions.
Patrick Padden was born 21 Feb 1891 in Devlane, Clogher, Mayo one of 14 children born to Thomas and Mary Padden. He is recorded as the informant on death certs for both his parents. He died a bachelor in Sept 1957 aged 66, still of Devlane and is buried at Fallmore Graveyard. (Source Irishgenealogy.ie)
However,
Geni has a listing for Patrick Padden:
Patrick Padden , born 21 Feb 1891 son of Thomas & Mary Padden of Devlane joined the Connaught Rangers and died in France in 1916 where he was buried at Hazebrouck Communal Cemetery. (Source Commonwealth War Graves Com). His siblings are correctly listed on Geni.com but not on the CWG record.
Irish civil records only show one Patrick Padden born 1891.
Without the dob/family details I am inclined to believe that the Geni listing is incorrect, and the CWGC Patrick is another Padden wrongly attached to this family.
Any suggestion gratefully received. Salt
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1915 from Co Mayo
http://soldierswills.nationalarchives.ie/reels/sw/PaddenP_E92057.pdf
https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/44768/padden,-/
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http://goldenlangan.com/graves-fm/PADDEN.%20Patrick%201957,%20F1.JPG
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There is nothing to indicate how old the soldier was in 1915 unless someone has seen his service record and next of kin
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D4485110
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Delia?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Mayo/Glenco/Bellacorick/707373/
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From a 1989 list of Mayo men who were killed in WWI
Pte. Paddy Padden etc
F&F Belmullet, enlisted Ballina. Belmullet.
Anyone know what F&F stands for?
Top of the page says the list is rank name number details of death place of birth place of enlistment and domicile.
Going by that he was born and living in Belmullet.
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Patrick Padden was born 21 Feb 1891 in Devlane, Clogher, Mayo one of 14 children born to Thomas and Mary Padden. He is recorded as the informant on death certs for both his parents. He died a bachelor in Sept 1957 aged 66, still of Devlane and is buried at Fallmore Graveyard. (Source Irishgenealogy.ie)
However,
Geni has a listing for Patrick Padden:
Patrick Padden , born 21 Feb 1891 son of Thomas & Mary Padden of Devlane joined the Connaught Rangers and died in France in 1916 where he was buried at Hazebrouck Communal Cemetery. (Source Commonwealth War Graves Com). His siblings are correctly listed on Geni.com but not on the CWG record.
Irish civil records only show one Patrick Padden born 1891.
Without the dob/family details I am inclined to believe that the Geni listing is incorrect, and the CWGC Patrick is another Padden wrongly attached to this family.
Any suggestion gratefully received. Salt
When and where did Patrick's parents die?
The Patrick Padden whose will dathai found (Reply #1) was killed in 1915 not 1916.
Did you find the information about Patrick Paddenwho died 1916 on Geni.com? I'm not familiar with it. https://www.geni.com
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From a 1989 list of Mayo men who were killed in WWI
Pte. Paddy Padden etc
F&F Belmullet, enlisted Ballina. Belmullet.
Anyone know what F&F stands for?
Top of the page says the list is rank name number details of death place of birth place of enlistment and domicile.
Going by that he was born and living in Belmullet.
F & F = France & Flanders
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From a 1989 list of Mayo men who were killed in WWI
Pte. Paddy Padden etc
F&F Belmullet, enlisted Ballina. Belmullet.
Anyone know what F&F stands for?
Top of the page says the list is rank name number details of death place of birth place of enlistment and domicile.
Going by that he was born and living in Belmullet.
F & F = France & Flanders
Ah yes, thanks
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Links to records being quoted in original post wouldn't go amiss!
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There was a Patrick Padden born in Belmullet workhouse in 1885. Son of Anne Padden. No father listed.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1885/02654/1978361.pdf
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There are 5 men called Patrick Padden on Lives of the First World War Remembered website. This includes men who survived the war.
Connaught Rangers 10177, died 28/04/1915
Royal Dublin Fusiliers 14252
British Army Service Corps SS/5215
Royal Navy Seaman SS712, born 18th March 1886 Belmullet
New Zealand Expeditionary Force 45903, died 4/10/1917
https://www.iwm.org.uk
Members of the public can add information to this website.
The website A Street Near You is a database of WW1 service deaths ordered by the places people came from or had a connection to. Focussing on an area on the map brings up a list of casualties below the map with information about individuals. https://astreetnearyou.org
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Delia?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Mayo/Glenco/Bellacorick/707373/
I can't see Delia in 1901. Neither can I find a birth registration for her. Could she have another first name?
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There was a Patrick Padden born in Belmullet workhouse in 1885. Son of Anne Padden. No father listed.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1885/02654/1978361.pdf
Interesting, I wondered if this could be Delia
Darbili 1894 to Ann, no father also in the workhouse
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1894/02268/1852127.pdf
In the workhouse in 1901 as D P aged 6
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Maiden Stone
if you look at this they have him as 1916 same service number
https://www.geni.com/people/Patrick-Padden/6000000031884300015
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There was a Patrick Padden born in Belmullet workhouse in 1885. Son of Anne Padden. No father listed.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1885/02654/1978361.pdf
Delia is often interchanged with Bridget.
Whilst looking for both these names, I came across this birth - Darbili - daughter of Ann in the Workhouse.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1894/02268/1852127.pdf
The name is most likely to be Deirbhile who is a local saint.
There is also the mystery of ‘Mrs Catherine’ and the Convent if Mercy. I think the nuns were based at the Workhouse.
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I see Sinann has also found the same record but I thought I would still post as I have added a bit more info re Deirbhile.
Her well is near Fallmore cemetery which I think is the most beautiful scenic setting for a cemetery but that is by the by.
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Are any of the Patricks on a census?
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There was a Patrick Padden born in Belmullet workhouse in 1885. Son of Anne Padden. No father listed.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1885/02654/1978361.pdf
Interesting, I wondered if this could be Delia
Darbili 1894 to Ann, no father also in the workhouse
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1894/02268/1852127.pdf
In the workhouse in 1901 as D P aged 6
This one
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01n5f/
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There is a 16yr old Patt Padden here in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Mayo/Belmullet/Carters_Square__Belmullet/1580139/
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Maiden Stone
if you look at this they have him as 1916 same service number
https://www.geni.com/people/Patrick-Padden/6000000031884300015
It also has a Patrick Padden died April 1915 (further down page).
Patrick, parents Thomas & Mary (Keane) + lots of siblings and another with mother Anne (Mayrick? I can't read my writing and can't find the link again).
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What was Mary's maiden name and when did she and Thomas marry?
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I think that is the one who is buried in Fallmore - the subject of the thread. - a possible error.
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There are 5 men called Patrick Padden on Lives of the First World War Remembered website. This includes men who survived the war.
Connaught Rangers 10177, died 28/04/1915
Royal Dublin Fusiliers 14252
British Army Service Corps SS/5215
Royal Navy Seaman SS712, born 18th March 1886 Belmullet
New Zealand Expeditionary Force 45903, died 4/10/1917
https://www.iwm.org.uk
Members of the public can add information to this website.
The website A Street Near You is a database of WW1 service deaths ordered by the places people came from or had a connection to. Focussing on an area on the map brings up a list of casualties below the map with information about individuals. https://astreetnearyou.org
The Patrick we have been looking at was born 18th March 1885 - just a year out from the Royal Naval Seaman above. :-\
So was he that one and not the Connaught Ranger which means the mystery still goes on.
I recall another enquiry recently where someone had attached the wrong family to a grave on ‘find a grave’ site.
Maybe the person who owns the tree on https://www.geni.com/people/Patrick-Padden/6000000031884300015 could be contacted.
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Looks like someone just saw a record "that fits" without researching if it was correct or not!
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GENI Tree Holder has added this Patrick Padden who died in WW1 with parents Thomas and Mary from Devlane Clogher, I think this is an error as you say Patrick was the informant on the death of his father in 1932 and also his mother Mary Cain/Kean Padden in 1933, they married in 1871.Patrick was also the informant of Edward his brothers death in 1929 who had married in 1908 to Mary Cawley.
1901 census I would say is the Patt listed as servant in Carters Sq Bellmullet.
Just for note if you following this family. Edward Padden brother of Patrick, had 2 children with wife Mary Cawley dau Mary who married William Rowan she died 1999 her brother John Padden died in 1994 in Devlane Clogher not married
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GENI Tree Holder has added this Patrick Padden who died in WW1 with parents Thomas and Mary from Devlane Clogher, I think this is an error as you say Patrick was the informant on the death of his father in 1932 and also his mother Mary Cain/Kean Padden in 1933, they married in 1871.Patrick was also the informant of Edward his brothers death in 1929 who had married in 1908 to Mary Cawley.
1901 census I would say is the Patt listed as servant in Carters Sq Bellmullet.
Just for note if you following this family. Edward Padden brother of Patrick, had 2 children with wife Mary Cawley dau Mary who married William Rowan she died 1999 her brother John Padden died in 1994 in Devlane Clogher not married
http://goldenlangan.com/graves-fm/PADDEN,%20John%201994,%20F1.JPG
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I don’t want to confuse matters ;) with all these Patricks
Patrick born in the Workhouse 18th March 1885 - probably the Message Boy in 1901.
Patrick Padden in the Navy 18th March 1886 b Belmullet Occupation, Cloth Bleacher.
Are these two, above, the same person? I would think that quite likely.
Our man is born 1891, Devlane.
If there is no information re the Connaught Ranger, he could be any age and from anywhere.
I got confused - we have the soldier’s will.
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Forgot to add re RN
First service date 1904
Last service 1909
CWGC site does have Belmullet as residence for Patrick, the Connaught Ranger, of course.
Perhaps the sailor enlisted in the army later.
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Only one Patrick appears to have a relation (sister) Debra, she's the key.
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"Patrick Padden was born 21 Feb 1891 in Devlane, Clogher, Mayo one of 14 children born to Thomas and Mary Padden. He is recorded as the informant on death certs for both his parents."
No dates posted for when parents died! No Links to them!
If the parents died after the other one that died 28/04/1915 then the one that died 28/04/1915 is a different one!!
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Only one Patrick appears to have a relation (sister) Debra, she's the key.
Yes I agree.
I think I may have found the mother’s death and her family (just for my own curiosity) but really these are not pertinent to this query.
Presumably, we can say that there has been an error and that Salt’s Patrick lived on and Hallmark has identified the grave.
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The "mystery" has been resolved.
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Just that Geni listing needs correcting.
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Thanks muchly for your interesting replies. They convince me that I am right to reject Private Padden (d 1915). I have a birth to death line for the first Patrick, whilst the second Patrick has no dob or parents named. I think this is a perfect example of people making wrong assumptions, merging family information and posting erroneous information which gets copied and replicated.
Your help appreciated.
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Sorry, just picked up the last few replies. First Patrick's parents died in 1932 & 1934, I have copies of death certs. Belmullet was the registration town, the family lived in the far south of the Belmullet Peninsula. I'm not inclined to provide my credit card details in order to contact the poster of the Geni information. Thanks, Salt
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Do you have to do that? I wouldn’t either.
I think the other Patrick’s family (the one with mother Anne and who died in WW1) lived in Carn whereas yours was in Devlane, Clogher.
We had family there :)
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Didn't know you had to pay to make contact, that's a pity.
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A 24 yr old Delia Padden died in the Mayo County Home 1927 she was from Belmullett unfortunately the informant was not a family relative
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1927/04970/4353227.pdf
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Even more unlikely is the tree on Ancestry which suggests that the Patrick Padden who was killed in 1915 was born in 1839 !
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/119339032/person/280180400050//facts
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Even more unlikely is the tree on Ancestry which suggests that the Patrick Padden who was killed in 1915 was born in 1839 !
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/119339032/person/280180400050//facts
Well if they are happy with that then so be it!
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I signed up for Geni in 2009. I have never subscribed but I found just now that I was able to send a message to the Patrick Padden tree owner, which I have done.
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Thanks ShaunJ - I have just made the same discovery and sent a message! Lets hope we get some response. Salt
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There are 5 men called Patrick Padden on Lives of the First World War Remembered website. This includes men who survived the war.
Connaught Rangers 10177, died 28/04/1915
Royal Dublin Fusiliers 14252
British Army Service Corps SS/5215
Royal Navy Seaman SS712, born 18th March 1886 Belmullet
New Zealand Expeditionary Force 45903, died 4/10/1917
https://www.iwm.org.uk
Members of the public can add information to this website.
Found three of above on Commonwealth War Graves Commission website.
SS5215 Army Service Corps died 1st May 1917. Age 42. Cemetery/memorial: Newcastle-Upon-Tyne (All Saints) cemetery. Son of John & Catherine of Newcastle.
45903 New Zealand Expeditionary Force died 4th October 1917. Cemetery/memorial: Tyne Cot memorial
10177 Padden, P. Connaught Rangers 1st, Bn. died 28th April 1915. Hazebrouck Communal Cemetery. No information about family or home address.
https://www.cwgc.org
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CWGC site does have Belmullet as residence for Patrick, the Connaught Ranger, of course.
Perhaps the sailor enlisted in the army later.
I didn't find anything on there about his origin. Did I miss something?
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I think I was getting confused with CWGC and the Soldier’s will.
If you notice at first I was thinking he could be from anywhere, then I remembered we did have Belmullet and perhaps thought it was CWGC.
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According to this he may have been in the Ranger's circa 1905 or 1911
I am finding it difficult to understand
scrolling down you will see a heading ''Recruits for the line ''
where he and his fellow recruits are listed in numerical order
https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/138448-depot-connaught-rangers/
10172 Martin Monaghan also died
http://soldierswills.nationalarchives.ie/reels/sw/MonaghanM_E61330.pdf
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A memorial to the dead from the Erris area in world war 1 was erected in Belmullet last November. They have the names of over fifty soldiers on it. They have very little information on some of them and were seeking further info and names of others they may have missed. At the time somebody posted on facebook that Patrick Padden's parents were Anthony and Bridget (Monaghan) Padden of Inniskea South Island. I have been searching for this post again but can't find it. However i checked the 1901 census and according to it this Patrick Padden was born in 1901. That would leave him only 14 years in 1915, so that can't be right. Maybe they got mixed up, Anne, Patrick's mother may have been a sister of Anthony Padden.
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In the 1911 census Anthony and Bridget Padden have been married sixteen years with three children born and living. There are only two children named on the form,Patrick (10) and Mary A (3). Delia may have been their third child. That would make her a niece to Patrick the soldier. Anne Padden, Patrick's mother may have gone to America , She might be listed on ship's manifests. If so her home address might be given.