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Title: Marriage of Thomas Bywaters and Susannah ?
Post by: Gillg on Saturday 08 December 18 14:54 GMT (UK)
Thomas and his wife were born in 1788, Thomas in Great Paxton and Susannah in Ringstead, Northants according to the 1851 census.  I am searching for their marriage record, probably in Great Paxton around 1810-1825.  I believe Susannah's maiden name was Silby, but can't now find the reference for this.  Can anyone help, please?  Thomas seems to have died in 1860, and I think the death of Susannah is recorded in 1864 in Gt Paxton (St Neots) as Susan.  She appears in the 1871 census with her daughter and family.
Title: Re: Marriage of Thomas Bywaters and Susannah ?
Post by: emeltom on Saturday 08 December 18 15:05 GMT (UK)
FreeReg has a marriage 11 October 1797 in All Saints, Buckworth between Thomas Bywaters and Susanna Spilby.

Emeltom
Title: Re: Marriage of Thomas Bywaters and Susannah ?
Post by: Gillg on Saturday 08 December 18 15:17 GMT (UK)
Thanks for your very quick answer, Emeltom.  So that's where that record came from!  And Spilby, not Silby. 
Title: Re: Marriage of Thomas Bywaters and Susannah ?
Post by: suzard on Saturday 08 December 18 15:50 GMT (UK)
the marriage date doesn't fit with y.o.b.- they would only have been age 9 in 1797?

Suz
Title: Re: Marriage of Thomas Bywaters and Susannah ?
Post by: emeltom on Saturday 08 December 18 15:56 GMT (UK)
Also if Susanna's death is 1864 she cannot appear in the 1871 Census.

Emeltom
Title: Re: Marriage of Thomas Bywaters and Susannah ?
Post by: emeltom on Saturday 08 December 18 16:04 GMT (UK)
Apologies, I made a typo in the post re the marriage. Susannah's surname was Silby. Also in the entry for the marriage it states that Thomas is from the parish of Offord Cluney. There is a baptism for a Thomas Bywaters in Offord Cluney in 1771 parents John and Ann.

Emeltom
Title: Re: Marriage of Thomas Bywaters and Susannah ?
Post by: Gillg on Sunday 09 December 18 21:07 GMT (UK)
You're absolutely right!  Sometimes we don't see things that are staring us in the face ( :-[  It's definitely the right Susannah with her family in the 1871, so will look for a later death for her. 
Thanks again.  Have noted the surname change.
Title: Re: Marriage of Thomas Bywaters and Susannah ?
Post by: emeltom on Monday 10 December 18 09:07 GMT (UK)
I can only find Susan Bywaters in 1851 and 1861 Censuses which fits with the 1864 death you have found. What's the reference for the 1871 Census?

Emeltom
Title: Re: Marriage of Thomas Bywaters and Susannah ?
Post by: Gillg on Monday 10 December 18 12:27 GMT (UK)
My turn for a typo, I'm afraid. I'm a decade out. :-[

I have census records as follows:
1841 Thomas and Susannah Bywaters , both aged 52-56
1851      "        "            "                     both aged 63
1861  Susannah Bywaters with daughter Martha Fairey and family aged 73

I realise that a birth year of 1788 calculated from the census ages would make them impossibly young for their marriage in 1797, so can only conclude that they didn't really know how old they were!

Susannah doesn't appear to be around in 1871, so the death year of 1864 would fit, but I'm a bit surprised not to be able to find Martha and her husband there either.  They didn't emigrate to NZ till 1874 - I have the ship's log showing them and their unfortunate loss of their youngest child on board during an epidemic of measles.

As always, more questions than answers. :)
Title: Re: Marriage of Thomas Bywaters and Susannah ?
Post by: emeltom on Monday 10 December 18 13:15 GMT (UK)
They are in Northampton in 1871

RG10/1481/F112/p42

Kettering Garden, St Giles, Northampton

James Fairey 40
Martha A T Fairey wife 40
Emily A Fairey dau 18
Rosina R Fairey dau 10
Esther Fairey dau 8
Julia Fairey dau 6
Herbert L Fairey son 1

Emeltom
Title: Re: Marriage of Thomas Bywaters and Susannah ?
Post by: Gillg on Monday 10 December 18 14:59 GMT (UK)
Thank you so much, Emilton.  Now why couldn't I find them?  Like many members of my Fairey family James was a shoemaker and probably couldn't compete with the burgeoning factories, though he did continue in his profession in NZ.
Title: born of James Fairy 28.9.1830
Post by: magslote on Tuesday 11 December 18 08:01 GMT (UK)
Found birth, 28.9.1830, birth place Easton,4458,of James Fairy.
collection, from Dr Williams Library, non con
son of John and Thomasin Dixey,
mothers father John Dixey,
F.H.L.Film815924,
date 1828-1832.
Margaret.
Title: Re: Marriage of Thomas Bywaters and Susannah ?
Post by: Gillg on Tuesday 11 December 18 09:56 GMT (UK)
Thanks, Margaret.  I do already have full information on the Fairey family, John and Thomasin Fairey being my direct ancestors.  Thomasin's father's name, John Dixey, shows also in the BVRI, but she was actually born illegitimately to Elizabeth Lawson and is entered as such in the baptism and marriage registers.  The Faireys (Fairys) were Baptists, so the chapel registers show their actual birth date rather than a baptism date, which is useful.  James Fairey was an older brother of my direct ancestor Amos.