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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Dumfriesshire => Topic started by: 85jbk on Saturday 08 December 18 22:43 GMT (UK)
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Looking to take this family line back another generation. Any help would be appreciated.
To date Agnes Carlyle, born C1785 and died 28 May 1831 at Middliebie ( information taken from a photograph of a Headstone in The Middlebie Churchyard with several other family members on the headstone mentioned.
The inscription in part relating to Agnes reads "ALSO AGNES CARLYLE HIS SECOND WIFE WHO DIED THERE 28th MAY 1831. AGED 46 YEARS "
As the headstone is covered in moss the inscription can be hard to read but am confident this is a correct recording of the date.
A record on Scotlands people has been connected to Agnes Carlyle on a tree shared on a popular website but I am having trouble connecting the dates to the Person and the person to the dates.
It suggests the record is for a birth of an Agnes Carlyle born to Agnes Reid and Robert Carlyle.
Agnes, daughter of Robert Carlyle and Agnes Reid at ?(illegible) was baptised Aug 1st 1782. Troqueer.
Is this the same Agnes Carlyle? Look forward to any of your shared thoughts please to help me move forward.
jbk
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The record on SP that you mention, the only other two in Scotland both 1790.
Below seems a possibility given the location and death age not always accurate.
CARLYLE AGNES ROBERT CARLYLE/AGNES REID 01/08/1782 Troqueer
Only two marriages for Agnes in Dumfriesshire.
CARLYLE AGNES WALTER JOHNSTONE 01/09/1806 Tundergarth
CARLYLE AGNES THOMAS CARLYLE 12/01/1821 St Mungo
No children born in Dumfriesshire to either of the above.
Plenty of Carlyle’s at Middlebie on the 1841 census.
No death records on SP for Middlebie.
Colin
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Hi did Agnes have any children as sometimes their names can offer clues to their grandparents
Also not all records of baptisms have survived or were recorded so if you find 3 Agnes baptised there could be 2 more whose you can not find
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Hi,
there is a MI at Troqueer churchyard that relates to Robert Carlisle & Agnes Reid,as follows..
In Memory of Louis Reid in Troqueer who departed this life
on the 1st day of March 1796 aged 70 years.
Also Agnes his spouse who died on the
20th of February 1802 aged 84 years.
Also Robert Carlisle,Miller son-in-law
to the above who died on the 27th of September
1822 aged 70 years.
Also Agnes Reid his spouse who died on 2nd January
1827 aged 70 years.
And Robert Johnstone their grandson who
died 11th September 1827 aged 13 months.
Also Catherine Carlisle their daughter,wife of
Robert Johnstone who died.........
(Remainder buried)
Matt
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I think these are Agnes' details so far www.whosyerdad-e.com/families-g/individual.php?pid=I1561&ged=third.ged
Monica
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For information
Below is the page on Find-A-Grave for Agnes Carlyle Wells
with a full transcript of her headstone.....
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/186460590/agnes-wells
Matt
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Colin
Thank You.
I have Agnes as partnered with Samuel Wells(at times has been Walls/Wills)
Have put partnered as to date No Marriage Cert has been obtained.
Agnes was Samuels second wife.
Together they had 5 children
Thomas 1811-1879
Margaret 1813-1821(Taken from the Headstone from The Middlebie Churchyard)
Margaret 1821-1888
James 1822-1890
Samuel 1826-1895
The record on SP that you mention, the only other two in Scotland both 1790.
Below seems a possibility given the location and death age not always accurate.
CARLYLE AGNES ROBERT CARLYLE/AGNES REID 01/08/1782 Troqueer
Only two marriages for Agnes in Dumfriesshire.
CARLYLE AGNES WALTER JOHNSTONE 01/09/1806 Tundergarth
CARLYLE AGNES THOMAS CARLYLE 12/01/1821 St Mungo
No children born in Dumfriesshire to either of the above.
Plenty of Carlyle’s at Middlebie on the 1841 census.
No death records on SP for Middlebie.
Colin
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Together they had 5 children
Thomas Wells 1811-1879
Margaret Wells 1813-1821(Taken from the Headstone from The Middlebie Churchyard)
Margaret Wells 1821-1888
James Wells 1822-1890
Samuel Wells 1826-1895
Hi,
there is a MI at Troqueer churchyard that relates to Robert Carlisle & Agnes Reid,as follows..
In Memory of Louis Reid in Troqueer who departed this life
on the 1st day of March 1796 aged 70 years.
Also Agnes his spouse who died on the
20th of February 1802 aged 84 years.
Also Robert Carlisle,Miller son-in-law
to the above who died on the 27th of September
1822 aged 70 years.
Also Agnes Reid his spouse who died on 2nd January
1827 aged 70 years.
And Robert Johnstone their grandson who
died 11th September 1827 aged 13 months.
Also Catherine Carlisle their daughter,wife of
Robert Johnstone who died.........
(Remainder buried)
Matt
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Yes this is the Headstone and the information was actually taken from a copy of a photo shared from a relative when they visited the churchyard some years ago now. So same same photograph.
For information
Below is the page on Find-A-Grave for Agnes Carlyle Wells
with a full transcript of her headstone.....
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/186460590/agnes-wells
Matt
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Thanks Matt
Its that spelling that is throwing me a bit as it seems very decisive that the CARLYLE name is spelt as such. Still being used today througout the extended families.
Hi,
there is a MI at Troqueer churchyard that relates to Robert Carlisle & Agnes Reid,as follows..
In Memory of Louis Reid in Troqueer who departed this life
on the 1st day of March 1796 aged 70 years.
Also Agnes his spouse who died on the
20th of February 1802 aged 84 years.
Also Robert Carlisle,Miller son-in-law
to the above who died on the 27th of September
1822 aged 70 years.
Also Agnes Reid his spouse who died on 2nd January
1827 aged 70 years.
And Robert Johnstone their grandson who
died 11th September 1827 aged 13 months.
Also Catherine Carlisle their daughter,wife of
Robert Johnstone who died.........
(Remainder buried)
Matt
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Hi looking at the links and their children if they followed the naming pattern I would be looking for parents called James and Margaret for Agnes do you know Samuel parents names
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Thanks Matt
Its that spelling that is throwing me a bit as it seems very decisive that the CARLYLE name is spelt as such. Still being used today througout the extended families.
Hi,
there is a MI at Troqueer churchyard that relates to Robert Carlisle & Agnes Reid,as follows..
In Memory of Louis Reid in Troqueer who departed this life
on the 1st day of March 1796 aged 70 years.
Also Agnes his spouse who died on the
20th of February 1802 aged 84 years.
Also Robert Carlisle,Miller son-in-law
to the above who died on the 27th of September
1822 aged 70 years.
Also Agnes Reid his spouse who died on 2nd January
1827 aged 70 years.
And Robert Johnstone their grandson who
died 11th September 1827 aged 13 months.
Also Catherine Carlisle their daughter,wife of
Robert Johnstone who died.........
(Remainder buried)
Matt
Spelling in documents can be highly variable back then, no matter how sure the family were about how they wanted it spelt. Officials tended to write down what they heard and even if the people in question were literate, culturally they were less likely to challenge officials. My Gran was quite determined that you didn't correct officials, no matter what.