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Charlotte Louisa Cooper married Charles David Elen Q2 1922 in Chester. Please could someone look this marriage up and let me know the details, e.g. marital status/fathers' names/address etc.? Thank you :)
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See www.cheshirebmd.org.uk - it was a civil marriage etc so cannot be looked up. You will need to buy the cert
Charles was b 1891 and his birth reg can be found on freebmd
Death Charlotte Louisa Elen 81 Birth Date 14 Mar 1891 Registration Sep 1972
West Cheshire Volume 10a Page 1735
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When was Charlotte born? One of these?:
COOPER, CHARLOTTE LOUISA mmn MATTOCK
GRO Reference: 1894 J Quarter in SUDBURY Volume 04A Page 699
COOPER, CHARLOTTE LOUISA mmn TURNER
GRO Reference: 1902 J Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 665
Jamjar
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Charlotte Louisa Elen 81 Birth Date 14 Mar 1891
I can’t see birth to fit, on GRO or FreeBMD
Jamjar
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Is this the death of Charles?
Deaths Mar 1977 CHESTER/E P 35 300
ELEN Charles 26 OC 1890
Birth:
ELEN, CHARLES DAVID mmn TARLING
GRO Reference: 1890 D Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 151
Jamjar
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Charlotte birth is same (14 Mar 1891) in 1939 reg
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Charlotte Louisa Elen 81 Birth Date 14 Mar 1891
I can’t see birth to fit, on GRO or FreeBMD
Jamjar
I have a hunch things may be more complicated than expected. Parents Sidney and Ann(i)e Cooper, in Churton, Cheshire in 1891 and 1901, may have married as Sidney George Prestige and Annie Taylor (dau of John Murphy) on 5 November 1883 at St Mary, Chester.
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Marriage:
Jun 1880 Chelsea 1a 539
ELEN Edwin
TARLING Amelia
Jamjar
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Charlotte Louisa Prestige, mmn Murphy, Jun qtr 1891 Chester 8a 414.
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Matches
PRESTIGE, JOHN MURPHY
GRO Reference: 1897 S Quarter in CHESTER Volume 08A Page 387
He is single and in household with Charlotte 1939
Added forgot to add, he is John COOPER 1939
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Children for Elen’s on the 1901:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9CC-YV3
I can’t find the page with the folks. >:(
Jamjar
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It looks as though Charlotte’s father was born Sydney George Prestige, mmn Skinner, Dec qtr 1853 St Martin in the Fields. Parents were John and Caroline.
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It looks as though Charlotte’s father was born Sydney George Prestige, mmn Skinner, Dec qtr 1853 St Martin in the Fields. Parents were John and Caroline.
Mother and children on the 1881:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q273-FVWY
To confirm:
PRESTIGE, CAROLINE mmn SKINNER
GRO Reference: 1851 M Quarter in SAINT MARTIN IN THE FIELDS Volume 01 Page 143
Sidney on the 1871, with family:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VRNB-294
1861, no Sydney:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2M2-GRM8
Jamjar
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Children for Elen’s on the 1901:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9CC-YV3
I can’t find the page with the folks. >:(
Jamjar
Page before. Thomas age 50 coachman, groom b Paddington and Amelia 40 b Westminster
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Children for Elen’s on the 1901:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9CC-YV3
I can’t find the page with the folks. >:(
Jamjar
Page before. Thomas age 50 coachman, groom b Paddington and Amelia 40 b Westminster
Thank you, Mckha. :)
Jamjar
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So..was he really Thomas or Edwin.
Not Edwin Thomas at marriage which would be convenient.
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So..was he really Thomas or Edwin.
Not Edwin Thomas at marriage which would be convenient.
He’s EDWARD in 1891. ;)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:3T21-KW2
Jamjar
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Edwin at children’s baptisms. The ones I’ve looked at anyway.
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Thank you everybody for all your replies :) :)
I have a hunch things may be more complicated than expected. Parents Sidney and Ann(i)e Cooper, in Churton, Cheshire in 1891 and 1901, may have married as Sidney George Prestige and Annie Taylor (dau of John Murphy) on 5 November 1883 at St Mary, Chester.
Yes, things do seem complicated. Charlotte and her four siblings were born between 1884 and 1897 and registered on GRO with the surname Prestige, even though they were using the surname Cooper on the 1891 census! If they had legally changed their name, why would they still be registering births under their old name? And if they hadn't changed it legally, how could all the children go on to have their marriages or deaths registered under the name Cooper? :-\
So..was he really Thomas or Edwin.
Not Edwin Thomas at marriage which would be convenient.
Another mystery! Edwin Elen was registered on GRO in 1850 as Edwin Charles. He was baptised and appears on 1851/61/71/81 censuses as just Edwin. On 1891 census he was Edward (most likely a transcription error). He was also Edwin on his marriage and death registrations, and on his children's baptisms, so why would he be Thomas on 1901 census? :-\
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There’s no need to go through any particular formalities to change a name in England; a person can use any name so long as they’re not doing so fraudulently.
In this case it looks more like an alias/alternative name was used by the Prestige/Cooper family at some times and for some purposes, for reasons as yet unknown.
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I see that Sidney & Annie’s son Sidney, born 1893, emigrated to the US in 1920* and died in Virginia in 1977 as Sidney Prestige Cooper.
Wife: May Hopper Cooper
Father: Sidney George Prestige
Mother: Annie Murphy
*On the passenger list (SS Baltic, Liverpool - New York, dep 9 June 1920) his next of kin at home was said to be his mother, Mrs Cooper, of Churton nr Chester.