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I am after information on "John Morris Thomas" who died in 1952 buried Ipswich Cemetery Queensland.
Regards
Nc
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https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/195020593/john-thomas
1 March 1952.
Qld BDM has this as #C630, parents as Ann PROBERT and John (THOMAS)
JM
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https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/124577073 3 March 1952 Qld Times, Ipswich, funeral notice names many family members.
JM
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Death registration:
John THOMAS
Death date: 01/03/1952
Mother's name: Annie PROBERT
Father's name: John
1952/C/630
https://www.familyhistory.bdm.qld.gov.au/
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/124577073
Mrs EH DRAGER is Ellen Gwendoline, born in 1915 to John THOMAS and Elsie EVANS. John and Elsie were married in 1914 and the marriage cert will give a place of birth for the bride and groom.
Debra :)
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:) Yes, please see replies #1 and 2 :)
JM ::)
Death registration:
John THOMAS
Death date: 01/03/1952
Mother's name: Annie PROBERT
Father's name: John
1952/C/630
https://www.familyhistory.bdm.qld.gov.au/
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/124577073
Mrs EH DRAGER is Ellen Gwendoline, born in 1915 to John THOMAS and Elsie EVANS. John and Elsie were married in 1914 and the marriage cert will give a place of birth for the bride and groom.
Debra :)
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I’m a tad confused. :(
Looking at the headstone photo, it appears that Elsie pre-deceased John.
There is this funeral notice, 2nd column:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article115993969
1937 C1758 Elsie Thomas parents Rees Evans and Elizabeth Worthing
In the given notice for John it mentions his wife. So he re-married, or have I misread something.
Jamjar
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Possible UK marriage and births on Elsie’s side:
Dec 1875 Builth 11b 189
EVANS Rees
WORTHING Elizabeth
EVANS, EMMANUEL JAMES mmn WORTHING
GRO Reference: 1876 S Quarter in THE BUILTH UNION Volume 11B Page 88
EVANS, MAUD ANNIE mmn WORTHING
GRO Reference: 1878 S Quarter in THE BUILTH UNION Volume 11B Page 91
EVANS, ELIZABETH mmn WORTHING
GRO Reference: 1880 J Quarter in HAY Volume 11B Page 144
EVANS, THOMAS mmn WORTHING
GRO Reference: 1882 S Quarter in BEDWELLTY Volume 11A Page 74
EVANS, REES mmn WORTHING
GRO Reference: 1883 M Quarter in HAY Volume 11B Page 133
EVANS, JOHN mmn WORTHING
GRO Reference: 1884 D Quarter in BEDWELLTY Volume 11A Page 85
EVANS, ELSIE mmn WORTHING
GRO Reference: 1885 M Quarter in HAY Volume 11B Page 129
EVANS, LILIAN ANNIE WORTHING mmn WORTHING
GRO Reference: 1888 M Quarter in BEDWELLTY Volume 11A Page 69
EVANS, ROSE mmn WORTHING
GRO Reference: 1888 S Quarter in HAY Volume 11B Page 125
EVANS, GWENDOLINE mmn WORTHING
GRO Reference: 1890 D Quarter in HAY Volume 11B Page 109
EVANS, WILLIAM mmn WORTHING
GRO Reference: 1891 J Quarter in BEDWELLTY Volume 11A Page 71
EVANS, THOMAS mmn WORTHING
GRO Reference: 1893 M Quarter in HAY Volume 11B Page 111
EVANS, BESSIE mmn WORTHING
GRO Reference: 1896 S Quarter in BEDWELLTY Volume 11A Page 90
Now it would appear that there are children to two families above. The 1891 census helps to sort it out:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4TKZ-2N2
1881: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2WS-39L8
1901: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X919-Z38
Jamjar
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Only one marriage on FreeBMD:
Mar 1882 Brecknock 11b 113
PROBERT Anne
THOMAS John
Births:
THOMAS, WILLIAM EDGAR mmn PROBERT
GRO Reference: 1883 M Quarter in BRECKNOCK Volume 11B Page 103
THOMAS, ANN FLORENCE mmn PROBERT
GRO Reference: 1884 D Quarter in BRECKNOCK Volume 11B Page 91
THOMAS, DAVID PROBERT mmn PROBERT
GRO Reference: 1886 J Quarter in BRECKNOCK Volume 11B Page 103
THOMAS, ELEANOR mmn PROBERT
GRO Reference: 1887 S Quarter in BRECKNOCK Volume 11B Page 101
THOMAS, JOHN mmn PROBERT
GRO Reference: 1888 D Quarter in BRECKNOCK Volume 11B Page 94
THOMAS, ELIZABETH BLANCHE mmn PROBERT
GRO Reference: 1890 D Quarter in BRECKNOCK Volume 11B Page 84
THOMAS, WALTER mmn PROBERT
GRO Reference: 1893 J Quarter in BRECKNOCK Volume 11B Page 91
Jamjar
Added: The 1891 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4TFV-22M
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I am after information on "John Morris Thomas"
Where have you seen the middle name used?
It’s not on births of children, or death of a son.
1982 8852 Evan Walter Thomas parents John Thomas and Elsie Evans
Jamjar
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Jamjar found https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/115993969 ... Elsie THOMAS funeral to Ipswich Cemetery 1937.
I have not found any other John THOMAS to that cemetery in 1952
I am after information on "John Morris Thomas" who died in 1952 buried Ipswich Cemetery Queensland.
Regards
Nc
JM
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It is possible that a re-marriage is not yet displaying on the Qld BDM online index ... 75 year restrictions apply in Qld for marriages ...
JM
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Others in the same plot:
1922 C1611 William Edgar Thomas parents John Thomas and Elsie Evans
1929 C1751 Joseph Thomas parents John Thomas and Elsie Evans
Jamjar
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There is one who died, Charter’s Towers QLD in 1907, wife Ann:
1907 C2290 John Morris Thomas parents Morris Thomas and Jane Griffiths
Jamjar
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:)
Electoral Roll 1936 MORETON/IPSWICH
30 Brisbane Road & Gibbon Street, Ipswich.
Elsie THOMAS, home duties
John THOMAS, wheelwright
JM
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Thank you all for your help
John Thomas may have remarried in the 1940's
Regards
Nc
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The 1952 Funeral notice cited above mentions the address Marvin Street.
This therefore would seem to be the notice of grant of probate
“Probate was also granted in the estate of John Thomas coach and body builder , Marvin St Ipswich.
Realty 8853 pounds, personalty 5404 pounds"
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/50541463
28th March 1953
Sue
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Hi there,
Yes, he may well have re-married in the 1940s, or even shortly before his death in 1952 ... and if he married in Queensland, you may have difficulty finding the index reference as it may well be within the restricted access period ...
May I ask if you have considered Jamjar's question ...
RED POST ... well found Sue :)
JM
I am after information on "John Morris Thomas"
Where have you seen the middle name used?
It’s not on births of children, or death of a son.
1982 8852 Evan Walter Thomas parents John Thomas and Elsie Evans
Jamjar
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If the information I have found so far is on the right track, I think the second wife may have died in 1997 at Chapel Hill, Brisbane.
I am not sufficiently confident to print her name however.
She was at Marvin Street to 1972 according to the electoral roll for the Ipswich area.
Sue
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Nothing we have found thus far confirms he is a John Morris Thomas.
Jamjar
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John Morris Thomas came to Queensland 1913 on the ship "Orontes"
Mind you there is couple of John Morris Thomas in the family tree.
Regards
Nc
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I agree Sue, not enough yet to confirm if we have found him.
JM
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John Morris Thomas came to Queensland 1913 on the ship "Orontes"
Mind you there is couple of John Morris Thomas in the family tree.
Regards
Nc
Ok, so how have you connected this John to the one who is buried in Ipswich, and to your family history?
Added: Were did you get the arrival information and how old was he at that time?
Jamjar
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John Morris Thomas came to Queensland 1913 on the ship "Orontes"
Mind you there is couple of John Morris Thomas in the family tree.
Regards
Nc
How have you confirmed he a) died 1952 ... and b) was buried Ipswich?
JM