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Title: Bristol marriage 1818
Post by: Sue Greene on Sunday 09 December 18 02:35 GMT (UK)
Hi,
I found on the IGI a marriage in Bristol was wondering if anyone can help lookup this marriage for me.
The marriage was between Isaac Cox and Maria Bennett. 6 Sep. 1818. IGI just says Bristol it is part of the marriage collection 1538-1973 access for me is at an LDS Family history centre.
Don't know if it will have anything further but hoping it just might have Isaac's occupation which was a tailor.
Any help much appreciated.
Sue Greene
New Zealand :)
Title: Re: Bristol marriage 1818
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 09 December 18 08:12 GMT (UK)
The film number shown against that marriage on familysearch is 1595891.  Searching their catalogue that film relates to BT's for St Pauls Church, Bristol
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/results?count=20&query=%2Bfilm_number%3A1595891

Link to catalogue search
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/search
Title: Re: Bristol marriage 1818
Post by: Jebber on Sunday 09 December 18 08:20 GMT (UK)
Unfortunately marriages at that time only show the couples names, if minor or of full age and the names of the witnesses.
Title: Re: Bristol marriage 1818
Post by: JACK GEE on Sunday 09 December 18 09:33 GMT (UK)
I have an Elizabeth Cox who married George Gilbert. This was George Gilbert's second marriage and it took place in Shirehampton in 1845.

cheers
Jack Gee
Title: Re: Bristol marriage 1818
Post by: Capetown on Sunday 09 December 18 13:01 GMT (UK)
Is this the children of Isaac & Maria COX (on Ancestry) -

All christened at Gloucester, St Mary de Crypt

COX

Emma - 5 September 1819 - residence, Littleworth, (Issac's profession listed as Tailor)
John - 6 May 1821 - ditto
Joseph - 12 September 1823 - residence, extra parochial
James - 2 September 1827 - residence: Littleworth (Isaac's profession listed as Tailor)
Maria - 3 October 1830 - residence: Littleworth (Issac's profession listed as Coal Merchant)
Issac - 22 April 1831/2 - buried 27 March 1833 aged 1, - (Isaac's profession listed as Coal Merchant)


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Burial at St Mary de Crypt: 29 May 1836, Maria COX (aged 44) = cc1792 - residence: Hamlet of Littleworth.

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Look for family names:


Littleworth is covered by Hempstead on the 1841 census - and I can see (so far) the marriage of Emma (a Minor) in 1840 at Hempstead, father Issac, occupation, Tailor : to Charles Inwards, a Carpenter.


1841 census, South Hamlet

INWARDS

Charles 20 - Carpenter
Emma - 20
John - 15 - Carpenter
William - 1 month
Title: Re: Bristol marriage 1818
Post by: trish1120 on Sunday 09 December 18 15:21 GMT (UK)
Joseph married in London;
15 Sep 1850
Marriage Place:   St Peter, Walworth, Southwark, England
Father ISAAC Cox, deceased, occp Tailor
Title: Re: Bristol marriage 1818
Post by: trish1120 on Sunday 09 December 18 15:25 GMT (UK)
Does this burial have an age Capetown?
Isaac Cox
Burial Date   28 Aug 1833
Burial Place   St Mary De Crypt, Gloucester, Gloucester, England
Title: Re: Bristol marriage 1818
Post by: Capetown on Sunday 09 December 18 16:01 GMT (UK)

Yes:

Isaac COX aged 34 years - residence: Hamlet of Littleworth

so c1799/1800
Title: Re: Bristol marriage 1818
Post by: Capetown on Sunday 09 December 18 16:23 GMT (UK)
Looking at the Forest of Dean records and searching for an Isaac COX as a witness to weddings (using the Advance Search) - so far Isaac and Maria appear to witness  7 weddings so far, sometimes in Hempstead and sometimes at Glos. St Mary de Crypt.


1832 to 1833  - the couples were all from Littleworth

Edward BALLINGER 1832 to Ann YOUNG - Hempstead
Thomas FISHER 1832 - to Sarah Nind - Hempstead
John PEACHEY 1832 - to Mary LOVSEY - Hempstead
Cornelius BRINKWORTH 1832 - to Sarah CHAPMAN - Hempstead
Ezekiel HOOPER 1832 - to Ann ROBERTS - Hempstead
Abraham COLE 1833 - to Elizabeth SAINSBURY - Hempstead
Richard CAHILL - 8 June 1833 to Sarah VALE (by Licence, transcript also on Forest of Dean records) - Glos St Mary de Crypt


Just had a quick look at the marriages on Ancestry, Isaac COX writes his name, Maria COX signs with an X.
Title: Re: Bristol marriage 1818
Post by: Sue Greene on Sunday 09 December 18 23:46 GMT (UK)
The film number shown against that marriage on familysearch is 1595891.  Searching their catalogue that film relates to BT's for St Pauls Church, Bristol
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/results?count=20&query=%2Bfilm_number%3A1595891

Link to catalogue search
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/search

Thank you so much for your help. There is a lot to follow up on.
Title: Re: Bristol marriage 1818
Post by: Sue Greene on Sunday 09 December 18 23:48 GMT (UK)
Unfortunately marriages at that time only show the couples names, if minor or of full age and the names of the witnesses.

Thank you for your help.
I was hoping perhaps Bristol added a bit more than other counties.
Title: Re: Bristol marriage 1818
Post by: Sue Greene on Sunday 09 December 18 23:52 GMT (UK)
Is this the children of Isaac & Maria COX (on Ancestry) -

All christened at Gloucester, St Mary de Crypt

COX

Emma - 5 September 1819 - residence, Littleworth, (Issac's profession listed as Tailor)
John - 6 May 1821 - ditto
Joseph - 12 September 1823 - residence, extra parochial
James - 2 September 1827 - residence: Littleworth (Isaac's profession listed as Tailor)
Maria - 3 October 1830 - residence: Littleworth (Issac's profession listed as Coal Merchant)
Issac - 22 April 1831/2 - buried 27 March 1833 aged 1, - (Isaac's profession listed as Coal Merchant)


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Burial at St Mary de Crypt: 29 May 1836, Maria COX (aged 44) = cc1792 - residence: Hamlet of Littleworth.

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Look for family names:


Littleworth is covered by Hempstead on the 1841 census - and I can see (so far) the marriage of Emma (a Minor) in 1840 at Hempstead, father Issac, occupation, Tailor : to Charles Inwards, a Carpenter.


1841 census, South Hamlet

INWARDS

Charles 20 - Carpenter
Emma - 20
John - 15 - Carpenter
William - 1 month

Thank you for the information.
You have helped prove that Isaac and Maria did have other children. It will give me something else to go on now.
A question that it does pose is would a tailor change to being a coal merchant.
Also when Harriet their daughter born in Sussex 1825 states on her marriage to Richard Brabant 1852 in Gloucester that her father is a tailor. But then she did not state that her father was deceased  when she married. I will need some time to slowly go through it all.
Title: Re: Bristol marriage 1818
Post by: Sue Greene on Sunday 09 December 18 23:53 GMT (UK)
Does this burial have an age Capetown?
Isaac Cox
Burial Date   28 Aug 1833
Burial Place   St Mary De Crypt, Gloucester, Gloucester, England

Thank you again for your help. Everyone has been so helpful.
Title: Re: Bristol marriage 1818
Post by: trish1120 on Monday 10 December 18 12:51 GMT (UK)
Even though Harriet did not say her Father was deceased on her 1852 M/C her Brother Joseph did say he was;

Often we have found in research unless the question is asked (is your Father dead?) it is not noted on the Cert.

As I said earlier;
JOSEPH Cox
15 Sep 1850
Marriage Place:   St Peter, Walworth, Southwark, England
Father ISAAC Cox, deceased, occp Tailor

On Census his pob/dob matches 1823 Bapt Capetown noted and he stays in the London area.

Maria Cox Bapt 1830 may be a Pupil in a School in Glous 1841 Census.
Title: Re: Bristol marriage 1818
Post by: Sue Greene on Monday 10 December 18 21:20 GMT (UK)
Even though Harriet did not say her Father was deceased on her 1852 M/C her Brother Joseph did say he was;

Often we have found in research unless the question is asked (is your Father dead?) it is not noted on the Cert.

As I said earlier;
JOSEPH Cox
15 Sep 1850
Marriage Place:   St Peter, Walworth, Southwark, England
Father ISAAC Cox, deceased, occp Tailor

On Census his pob/dob matches 1823 Bapt Capetown noted and he stays in the London area.

Maria Cox Bapt 1830 may be a Pupil in a School in Glous 1841 Census.
Thank you for your help. Interesting that Joseph also states his fathers occupation was a tailor and not a coal merchant which makes me wonder if the last two children are that of Isaac and Maria.
Though he could have changed jobs. It will be interesting to see if anyone else is tracing this family that can help connect our Harriett with this family but it is all looking very likely.
Title: Re: Bristol marriage 1818
Post by: trish1120 on Tuesday 11 December 18 09:57 GMT (UK)
Yes it may not be the same couple but people also changed occp's for various reasons.

But as Maria 1831 does not appear on any Census with Parents named Isaac/Maria I think that she is the Daug of your couple.

Title: Re: Bristol marriage 1818
Post by: Sue Greene on Tuesday 11 December 18 10:33 GMT (UK)
Yes it may not be the same couple but people also changed occp's for various reasons.

But as Maria 1831 does not appear on any Census with Parents named Isaac/Maria I think that she is the Daug of your couple.
I had a look at the Pigots 1830 Directory for Gloucester and found Isaac Cox, coal dealer, Canal Basin. At least it does prove he was in the area in 1830. I can't find an Isaac Cox Tailor on any 1830 directories which may prove he did change occupations. I don't think there are any other directories online at least before his death.
I did find someone tracing the family that Emma married into but they are only interested in her husbands side does not look as if they have done any research into the Cox family.
I will keep searching.
Many thanks again.
Title: Re: Bristol marriage 1818
Post by: trish1120 on Tuesday 11 December 18 10:41 GMT (UK)
Maria may be Mary Cox 1851 Census and living in Warwickshire with her Aunt/Uncle, Charles/Sarah Godwin.

Charles married Sarah Cox 29 Apr 1822 Hempstead, Gloucestershire
Both of Littleworth Hamlet

Sarah Cox was Bapt 21 Feb 1802 Yate, Glos to THOMAS/GRACE

Now a THOMAS/GRACE Cox Bapt a ISAAC Cox 3 Nov 1799, St. Mary-Northgate, Canterbury, Kent

I may be way off here but seems too much of a coincidence to me?
Title: Re: Bristol marriage 1818
Post by: Capetown on Tuesday 11 December 18 14:20 GMT (UK)
Isaac COX burial 38 August 1833, aged 34 - so the baptism found  - 3 November 1799 St Mary's Northgate, Kent, seems correct.

Ancestry has the entry for the Marriage at Yate, 19 April 1789 of Thomas COX and Grace BURREL (Grace's surname is rather faint)


? Could be talking Military (Army) - Canterbury Kent was a Garrison

So, checking with the National Archives (Just Google A2a) and searching for Thomas COX, Yate


Reference: WO 97/1094/267

Description:  Thomas COX, Born Yate, Gloucestershire, Served in Gloucestershire Militia.  Discharged, aged 57

Date: 1788-1825

Held by: The National Archives, Kew.

Legal Status: Public Record

Language: English

Closure Status: Open Document, Open Description




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? There is a baptism at Rangeworthy, Gloucester (about 4 miles from Yate) - of Thomas COX, 25 December 1768, parents: Isaac & Hannah.


Grace COX, buried at Gloucestershire St Mary de Crypt - 11 October 1846 aged 78 c1768 - residence: North Hamlet

Thomas COX, buried at Gloucestershire St Mary de Crypt - 27 July 1842, aged 74

There is a Will for Thomas COX dated 21 December 1842, Pensioner of Gloucester - Will look at Ancestry and see what is says.

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This is possible

1841 Census, Glos St Mary de Lobe

COCKS

Thomas 73 - occupation, given as IND (Independent)  - all born in County
Grace 73
Harriet 15  (possibly Harriet born 1825 Sussex)
James 13 (possibly James, christened 2 September 1827)
Title: Re: Bristol marriage 1818
Post by: Capetown on Tuesday 11 December 18 15:16 GMT (UK)
The Will of Thomas COX 1842 of Gloucester is right - he talks about his various Sons, and deceased Son Isaac.

Very clear to read - an excellent Will - 3 pages - Written 21 October 1841 (one witness was Thomas HUDSON, a Tailor)

Mentions, three Sons:
John COX - of Cheltenham, Musician
William COX - City of Gloucester, Turner
Thomas COX - City of Bristol, Mail Guard

owns a number of properties -

Wife: Grace

Grand-daughter, Maria COX, daughter of his deceased Son, Isaac

lists 4 sons, John, George, William & Thomas and daughter, Sarah GODWIN, wife of Charles GODWIN.
Title: Re: Bristol marriage 1818
Post by: Capetown on Tuesday 11 December 18 15:48 GMT (UK)
Working through Thomas COX's son mentioned in his Will

John COX of Cheltenham, Musician.

So far....  daughter Adelaide - christened 18 May 1831, (buried aged 7, 7 June 1838) at Cheltenham, parents: John (Musician) and Mary - + a Son Edgar

The Marriage at Cheltenham 17 August 1821 By Licence of John COX and Mary HAYCOCK is confirmed as the right marriage from the Forest of Dean, Marriage Allegations transcript

17 August 1821,

John COX over 21, Bachelor, Musician of Cheltenham
Mary HAYCOCK over 21, Spinster, residence: Cheltenham


- 1841 Census, Cheltenham

COX

John - 45 Musician
Mary - 45
Samuel - 19
John - 18
Fredrick - 17
Edgar - 15
Henry - 14
Mary - 12
Emma - 5


1851 Census, Cheltenham

COX

John - 55 Musician , born Dorset, Weymouth (his father moved with the Army)   ****
Samuel - 29
Henry - 23
Mary Ann - 21
Clemance COX - 26 daughter-in-law, British Subject
Emma - 15
Gustave - 9


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*** Ancestry:  John COX, baptised, 9 August 1795, Weymouth St Paul, Dorset, parents: Thos and Grace COX

Title: Re: Bristol marriage 1818
Post by: Capetown on Tuesday 11 December 18 16:25 GMT (UK)
This tree is on Public Members Tree Ancestry

William COX  birth abt 1806 - 22 June 1806, Brighton, Sussex - and gives the 1830 : William COX occ Turner Street - and gives parents: Thomas COX 1768-1842, and Grace BURNEL/BURNELL/BURRELL - etc and a possible death: 22 May 1846, St Mary de Lobe.

Also suggests, Thomas COX - 1768-1842 was born in Rangeworthy (as previous mentioned)



Next son in the Will,

William COX City of Gloucester, occupation: Turner (may be working for the Great Western Railways ?/)

Baptism at Glos St Mary de Lobe

22 March  1839

Alfred, son of William & Charlotte COX, residence: Holy Trinity.


1841 Census, Westgate Street, Holy Trinity

COX

William - Turner - not born in County
Charlotte - 30 Bonnet maker - born in County
Edwin - 13 - Turner
Thomas - 11
Mary - 8
Nathaniel - 5
Alfred - 2  (GRO INDEX, Mother's maiden name: PARTRIDGE)

William & Charlotte had a daughter, Grace COX christened in Gloucester 22 March 1844, but was buried at Gloucester, 1 February 1848

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William COX, Extra parochial hamlet of Littleworth, married Charlotte PARTRIDGE at Hempstead, 15 April 1827, witnesses: Ths COX and Harriet PARTRIDGE
Title: Re: Bristol marriage 1818
Post by: Capetown on Tuesday 11 December 18 17:21 GMT (UK)
3rd Son mentioned in Will

From the tree

Thomas COX, City of Bristol

Christened 7 May 1809, St Nicholas, Brighton, Sussex

Residence: 29 March 1831, Longon and Bristol, Gloster and Swansea

Post Office Appointment.  Occ. TAILOR, born Brighton

Married Anne Evelina WHEELER, 2 Jan 1832, St Andrew's Holborn, Middlesex,


1851 Census, Bristol St James
Thomas COX - 42, Mail Guard, born Brighton
Ann E COX, 44 - wife, born Gloucester
Title: Re: Bristol marriage 1818
Post by: Sue Greene on Wednesday 12 December 18 04:18 GMT (UK)
3rd Son mentioned in Will

From the tree

Thomas COX, City of Bristol

Christened 7 May 1809, St Nicholas, Brighton, Sussex

Residence: 29 March 1831, Longon and Bristol, Gloster and Swansea

Post Office Appointment.  Occ. TAILOR, born Brighton

Married Anne Evelina WHEELER, 2 Jan 1832, St Andrew's Holborn, Middlesex,


1851 Census, Bristol St James
Thomas COX - 42, Mail Guard, born Brighton
Ann E COX, 44 - wife, born Gloucester
Oh wow you have done so much and it is all coming together. The clincher has to be Harriet's information this all seems to tie in. She is on the 1851 Gloucester census staying with a family her occupation was a stay maker and she states she was born in Brighton.
Thank you so much I really appreciate what you have managed to find for me.
I will now print everything out and get it into Legacy to get it all into order.
Thank you everyone especially Capetown, I didn't expect so much wonderful help from my question.
 
Title: Re: Bristol marriage 1818
Post by: Sue Greene on Wednesday 12 December 18 06:15 GMT (UK)
 so the baptism found  - 3 November 1799 St Mary's Northgate, Kent, seems correct.
Hi again Capetown,
Could you tell me what the source is for the Bap. for Isaac is please 3 Nov 1799.
I had a look on the IGI nothing found there.
I do have access to Findmypast have to go to the library to use Ancestry which I can do over the weekend.
Thank you again.
Title: Re: Bristol marriage 1818
Post by: Capetown on Wednesday 12 December 18 06:24 GMT (UK)
Sue, the information from the birth came from 'Trish' - but it is on Ancestry.  When I saw Isaac was born in Canterbury, Kent, and know this area was a Garrison Town - hence checking the National Archives, which is always useful, as it shows what County Records Office information is held.

Under:

England, Select Births and Christenings 1538-1975

Name: Isaac COX

Gender: Male

Baptism Date: 3 November 1799

Baptism Place: St Mary-Northgate, Canterbury, Kent, England

Father: Thomas COX
Mother: Grace COX

FHL Number: 1751626


Thomas COX information from the National Archives (also free on FindmyPast) should make useful reading.

I just Google: A2a

various websites - but it's Discovery|National Archives  then  just Googel Thomas COX Yate



Title: Re: Bristol marriage 1818
Post by: Sue Greene on Wednesday 12 December 18 07:49 GMT (UK)
Sue, the information from the birth came from 'Trish' - but it is on Ancestry.  When I saw Isaac was born in Canterbury, Kent, and know this area was a Garrison Town - hence checking the National Archives, which is always useful, as it shows what County Records Office information is held.

Under:

England, Select Births and Christenings 1538-1975

Name: Isaac COX

Gender: Male

Baptism Date: 3 November 1799

Baptism Place: St Mary-Northgate, Canterbury, Kent, England

Father: Thomas COX
Mother: Grace COX

FHL Number: 1751626


Thomas COX information from the National Archives (also free on FindmyPast) should make useful reading.

I just Google: A2a

various websites - but it's Discovery|National Archives  then  just Googel Thomas COX Yate
Hi there,
Thanks for replying. Have been into Archives which told me FindMyPast had the record so now have a copy of that.
Just needed to clarify where the source was from, thank you. I will go to the library and search Ancestry as well that way I can also print the info. out.
I did go down the other day and saved the Bap. of Isaac's children, well I thought I had saved them when I copied them onto the memory stick when I got home they wouldn't open on my computer. Hate using other computers when you get so use to your own and your own way of doing things.
I have now started to get things into some order and inputting it into Legacy can then print it all out and see where the gaps are and what needs confirming.
I will try looking for Maria as well.
Thank you again.
Title: Re: Bristol marriage 1818
Post by: Capetown on Wednesday 12 December 18 08:01 GMT (UK)
In a bit of a hurry this morning - but Thomas COX Lodger, aged 42, Mail Guard is on the 1851 Census at Bristol St James - with William RICHARD wife Maria - may be this is Maria - but could check for marriage and the GRO Index which would give the maiden name of Maria's children.
Title: Re: Bristol marriage 1818
Post by: Capetown on Wednesday 12 December 18 08:16 GMT (UK)

Gone back to the Tree on Ancestry

MARY COX aged 19 and a Niece is living on the 1851 census in Birmingham Warwickshire, with her Sister Sarah who married Charles GODWIN
Title: Re: Bristol marriage 1818
Post by: Sue Greene on Wednesday 12 December 18 21:46 GMT (UK)
The Will of Thomas COX 1842 of Gloucester is right - he talks about his various Sons, and deceased Son Isaac.

Hi again,
Just wanted to check with you that the will for Thomas you found is it on Ancestry? If so I will get a copy over the weekend.
Title: Re: Bristol marriage 1818
Post by: Capetown on Thursday 13 December 18 07:41 GMT (UK)
Hi Sue

Just to recap

1841 Census, Glos St Mary de Lobe

COCKS

Thomas - 73
Grace - 73
Harriet - 15 (your line)
James - 13



I sent a message via Ancestry to the COX tree and have had a couple of replies (the Contributer does have the Obituary for Thomas),

Also says the 1822 Pigot's Directory has Isaac COX as Coal Dealer in the Berkeley Canal Basin in Gloucestershire and 1830 Pigot's under Coal Dealers Canal Basin.

? and does question whether Isaac had two occupations -
Gloucester Docks was/is so close.

Thomas COX Will (1842) is on Ancestry - under, GLOUCESTERSHIRE, ENGLAND, WILLS AND INVENTORIES 1541-1858 - very clear to read - where he mentions Maria (christened 3 October 1830, Isaac's occupation, Coal Merchant)  -the daughter of his late Son, Issac -
Title: Re: Bristol marriage 1818
Post by: Capetown on Thursday 13 December 18 10:03 GMT (UK)
? as the COX family could have originated from Rangeworthy   (Thomas COX 1768 Rangeworthy) there is this on the Forest of Dean records

Marriage at Rangeworthy - 25 November 1783

Isaac COX aged 43, (c 1740) Widower, Coal Miner, Rangeworthy
Hannah DEVEREL aged 40, Widow, Iron Acton


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By Googling: Isaac COX Berkeley Canal Basin Gloucester

Under the heading:

Gloucester Docks - Albion Cottages

DOCK TRADERS

(includes the photograph of the two cottages)

As the canal neared completion, however, commercial activity in the area increased, and in 1826 both cottages were rented by traders who were evidently expecting to handle goods brought in by boat.  The cottage on the left was occupied by Isaac COX, a coal merchant, and the other cottage by Thomas MANSELL, a stone and marble mason who also sold beer from the premises in later years.  It is likely that both men made use of the horse-operated tramroad that ran past the front of the cottages to carry their products to customers in Gloucester and possibly on to Cheltenham.  In 1835, Isaac COX was replaced by Robert MONK, a blacksmith who presumably provided shoes for the horses collecting goods from the docks, including those pulling wagons on the tramroad.


Ancestry:  Gloucestershire Electoral Register 1841

Robert MONK, Hamlet of Littleworth, House by Canal


1841 Census, Hempstead, Littleworth

Robert MONK - 50 - Blacksmith
Thomas - 20
Maria - 15
Robert - 10
Sarah - 10

Title: Re: Bristol marriage 1818
Post by: Capetown on Thursday 13 December 18 15:34 GMT (UK)
I have gone into Family Search and called up the Baptism of Harriet COX - 14 October 1825 in Sussex.

The link on the right of the page - calls up to actual baptism register - BINGO
(have taken a photo)

On IMAGE 220 of 752

October 14th 1825 - Harriet da of Isaac & Maria COX - residence: Edward Street - occupation: TAILOR
Title: Re: Bristol marriage 1818
Post by: Sue Greene on Friday 14 December 18 01:03 GMT (UK)
I have gone into Family Search and called up the Baptism of Harriet COX - 14 October 1825 in Sussex.

The link on the right of the page - calls up to actual baptism register - BINGO
(have taken a photo)

On IMAGE 220 of 752

October 14th 1825 - Harriet da of Isaac & Maria COX - residence: Edward Street - occupation: TAILOR
Afternoon,
Yes I had a copy of her Bap. Also have her marriage certificate to Richard Brabant. Harrriet sadly didn't live very long.
Thank you for the link to where Isaac was living. What a lovely little cottage.
I went to the library this morning and now have a copy of Thomas Cox's will.
Stinking hot here today so will spend the evening getting the rest of the info. into Legacy. Looking forward to printing it all out to see how it has all come together.
I really can't thank you enough for all your help.
It's been some time since I have done any research. After 30 odd years most of it has come to a grinding halt. I have started to write the different family up as I come to some that I hit brick walls on I thought it worth just trying one more time. Goes to show you never finish and should never give up.
Title: Re: Bristol marriage 1818
Post by: Capetown on Friday 14 December 18 12:46 GMT (UK)
adlojo123 Tree on Ancestry has passed this info onto me (for you) - although not sure if 100%  re: Thomas COX  (1768-1841) was the son of Issac COX (1736-1818) and his first wife Hannah PEARCE (1746-1780)

'Marriage 19 October 1766 Tytherington, Gloucestershire.  Isaac COX, of the Parish of Rangeworthy and Hannah PEARCE of this Parish'

Gave you Isaac COX second marriage to Hannah DEVEREL - 1783 - previous reply..

Also this information on Google Books - regarding Issac COX and Hannah - written by Thomas POLE 1814 and 1816 -

If you Google, Isaac Cox Rangeworthy Gloucester - on Google Books, under the website:

History of the Origin and PCB History, Origin Adult School  - it would appear Isaac and his 2nd wife Hannah (DEVEREL) attended an adult school and learning to read.

'At Rangeworthy, in Gloucestershire, not far from Bristol, lived an aged couple, Isaac and Hannah COX; the husband had been an unsteady wild kind of man, and a great boxer.  The wife, aged seventy-three years, come to an Adult School, which she has attended for about three months; when she entered, she did not know any part of the Alphabet, but can now spell small words.
The husband, aged eighty years, was induced by the example of his wife to attend also; he knew some letters of the Alphabet, and can now read the easy Scripture verses in the Spelling-book; since his attendance, he has become quite an improved character; and says, the remembrance of the Scripture verses affords him great comfort when he likes awake in the night, as well as at other times.'


Also from adlojo123

Conveyance -
Date 5 May 1821, Held at Gloucestershire Archives.

Conveyance

1.  George Otter DAVENPORT of Glouc. City, painter
2. John DAVENPORT
Reference: D3117/4072

1. George Otter DAVENPORT of Glouc. City, painter
2. John DAVENPORT of Glouc. City, painter
3. Isaac COX of Littleworth, coal dealer ***
4. John COX of Glouc. City, musican *** (brother to Isaac)

Small piece of land 16 ft x 50ft x 48 ft in South Hamlet on the E of the Bristol Rd. plan included

Consideration: £34 16s and 10/-

Witnesses: Richard TIPTON; James ABELL
Title: Re: Bristol marriage 1818
Post by: Sue Greene on Saturday 15 December 18 00:08 GMT (UK)

'At Rangeworthy, in Gloucestershire, not far from Bristol, lived an aged couple, Isaac and Hannah COX; the husband had been an unsteady wild kind of man, and a great boxer.  The wife, aged seventy-three years, come to an Adult School, which she has attended for about three months; when she entered, she did not know any part of the Alphabet, but can now spell small words.
The husband, aged eighty years, was induced by the example of his wife to attend also; he knew some letters of the Alphabet, and can now read the easy Scripture verses in the Spelling-book; since his attendance, he has become quite an improved character; and says, the remembrance of the Scripture verses affords him great comfort when he likes awake in the night, as well as at other times.'

Please thank your contact for me. How wonderful that they both started to learn at their ages. These wonderful little stories help make family on a tree come to life. You couldn't make that up even if you tried.
Sounds as if he was trying to better himself in some way. Love it.
Thank you again.

Title: Re: Bristol marriage 1818
Post by: trish1120 on Sunday 16 December 18 12:36 GMT (UK)
Hi all.
I've been away for a few days and see lots of progress has been made and Isaacs Bapt/ Parents confirmed.

Grace BURNEL/L christened 4 December 1768, St. Mary's, Yate, Gloucester
Parents HENRY/TABITHA
(Source Familysearch.Org)

Henry/Tabitha seem to have a lot of children 1755-1771 Yate.

I cant find the Marriage 1751-1755 anywhere in England on F/S.Org.

Henry may have been christened 5 December 1725, St. Mary's, Yate, Father HENRY Burnell

TABISHA Burnett
Burial Date: 5 Jun 1775
Burial Place: St. Mary'S, Yate, Gloucester, England
Spouse H Burnett
(Source Ancestry)
Title: Re: Bristol marriage 1818
Post by: Sue Greene on Wednesday 19 December 18 05:52 GMT (UK)
Hi all.
I've been away for a few days and see lots of progress has been made and Isaacs Bapt/ Parents confirmed.

Grace BURNEL/L christened 4 December 1768, St. Mary's, Yate, Gloucester
Parents HENRY/TABITHA
(Source Familysearch.Org)

Henry/Tabitha seem to have a lot of children 1755-1771 Yate.

I cant find the Marriage 1751-1755 anywhere in England on F/S.Org.

Henry may have been christened 5 December 1725, St. Mary's, Yate, Father HENRY Burnell

TABISHA Burnett
Burial Date: 5 Jun 1775
Burial Place: St. Mary'S, Yate, Gloucester, England
Spouse H Burnett
(Source Ancestry)
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Hi Trish,
Thank you so much for your help. So grateful to you and everyone who has helped and willing to share information.
Just starting to get busy now with Christmas looming up. I would like to wish you and your family a wonderful and safe Christmas. Best wishes Sue
Title: Re: Bristol marriage 1818
Post by: Sue Greene on Wednesday 19 December 18 05:54 GMT (UK)
Hi Sue

Just to recap

Hi Capetown,
Just wanted to thank you so much for all your help. Christmas is looming so won't have much time to do genealogy until after the 25th.
I would like to wish you and your family a wonderful and safe Christmas and best wishes.
I hope to get back into it all once the 25th has past. Regards Sue
Title: Re: Bristol marriage 1818
Post by: trish1120 on Wednesday 19 December 18 11:25 GMT (UK)
Merry Christmas to you too Sue :)
Title: Re: Bristol marriage 1818
Post by: Capetown on Thursday 20 December 18 07:37 GMT (UK)
Merry Christmas and Best Wishes for 2019.
Title: Re: Bristol marriage 1818
Post by: Julie Mikus on Sunday 20 January 19 00:13 GMT (UK)
Hello I am new to ancestry  and helping my husband trace his family line. He is a direct descendent of Thomas Cox 1768-1842. We are considering travel to Gloucestershire from Pennsylvania, USA this summer to find his gravesite.

Thomas Cox would be my husband's fourth great grandfather. I believe Thomas Cox (1768-1842) had a son named  George who died in 1859.  I have not been able to find information on him, but he apparently had a son named Thomas Cox who was born on December 11, 1842, the son of Ann and George. He died on August 22, 1910, at the age of 67.

Thomas Cox (b1842) had a son named Richard William Cox was born on November 6, 1865, in Gloucestershire, England, when his father, Thomas was 22 and his mother, Louisa, was 23. He married Annie Elizabeth Scoffield Langston in 1896. He died on December 3, 1911, in Allegheny, Pennsylvania, at the age of 46. This Richard William Cox is my husband's great grandfather and my husband looks very much like him. We have one picture.

Richard William Cox (b1865) had a son named John Langston Cox in 1896 who married Katherine Unger. John Langston Cox was born on September 22, 1896, in Carnegie, Pennsylvania when his father, Richard, was 30 and his mother, Annie, was 22. He died on November 18, 1953, in his hometown at the age of 57.

He worked for a Chemical Company in Heidelburg, PA. Any information on the Cox Family of Gloucestershire‎, I greatly appreciate.
Title: Re: Bristol marriage 1818
Post by: trish1120 on Sunday 20 January 19 09:19 GMT (UK)
Welcome to Rootschat Julie.

So this would be the 1859 Death you mention?

COX, GEORGE, age 63***
GRO Reference: 1859  D Quarter in GLOUCESTER  Volume 06A  Page 162

So a birth c 1796

I will see what I can find.

Trish :)
Title: Re: Bristol marriage 1818
Post by: trish1120 on Sunday 20 January 19 10:55 GMT (UK)
It is a problem as I cant find a Marriage for George to Ann Matilda Brooks.

I see Trees have her Parents as JAMES/MARY (she is with them 1841 Census as you know) and her Sister Mira Brooks is with her in another Census.

Trouble is James Brooks/Mary Jones didn't marry until 1825 so I think Ann Matilda was illeg;

ANN MATILDA Jones christened 30 August 1818 Bream, Glous, Mother MARY Jones

So she may have married under Jones, if indeed her and George ever married and I can find no evidence of it.

This is Harriets Birth Reg;
COX, HARRIET, Mothers mn BROOKS****
GRO Reference: 1848  D Quarter in MONMOUTH  Volume 26  Page 76

Her Baptism on Anc has her Father George as a Labourer.

I am struggling finding the other childrens birth reg including your Thomas.

This is a outside chance;
JONES, WILLIAM  JONES, no Mothers mn***
GRO Reference: 1843  J Quarter in MONMOUTH  Volume 26  Page 77
Title: Re: Bristol marriage 1818
Post by: Capetown on Sunday 20 January 19 15:22 GMT (UK)
As the COX family etc from the Forest of Dean area - if you don't belong already (free, just Register) - the family records are on line and there is a forum.

Christened at St Briavels -  5 September 1841, Emma COX, parents: George & Ann
(residence: Hudnall & Forest of Dean)

Christened at Tidenham - 11 December 1842, Thomas, parents: George & Ann
(residence: Elm Cottages, Tidenham)

Christened at Clearwell - 14 August 1845 - Sarah Ann, parents: George & Ann
(residence: Clearwell)  - GRO mother's maiden names BROOKS

http://www.forest-of-dean.net
Title: Re: Bristol marriage 1818
Post by: Capetown on Sunday 20 January 19 15:50 GMT (UK)
?  There are some Prison Records for a George COX on the Gloucestershire Genelogical Database and include :

George COX, 7 May 1837 aged 21, of St Briavels, Labourer 

George, labourer, from St Briavels, stole a Wheelbarrow from Tidenham - and was sentenced to 4 Calendar Months at Lawfords Gate, 3 weeks of which where in solitude. 
Dark brown hair, dark hazel eyes, round visage, common complextion, no marks etc. height: 5 feet 3 and a half inches.

===

George COX 16 February 1841, aged 22 - of St Briavels (Where Emma COX was christened 5 September 1841)

Again more info on Ancestry, he was given 5 months on the 3 March 1841, and he was from St Briavels, stole, a goose and fowls - description seems the same, ie. dark eyes etc. 5' 3inches

So he would be in Prison on the 1841 census, usually census don't give the christian name

--

George COX, 12 January 1845 - aged 27, labourer of Tidenham
Title: Re: Bristol marriage 1818
Post by: Capetown on Sunday 20 January 19 16:50 GMT (UK)
Looking at the 1861 Census in Newland

Matilda COX - aged 40
Emma - 19
Thomas - 18
Sarah - 15
Harriet - 12
Mary Ann - 10
Edwin - 6 
Fanny - 2


Looking at the baptism of these children on the Forest of Dean records - they include

13 October 1850 at Clearwell, Mary Ann Eliza (Illegitimate)- mother Ann Matilda - residence: Clearwell

10 September 1848 at Clearwell, Harriet - who was Illegitimate - Mother: Matilda

11 March 1855, Edward (Edwin above) - 11 March 1855 - illegitimate -  Mother: Matilda

Fanny christened at St Briavels, 16 December 1858, Matilda Ann & George (labourer) - residence, The Lower Meene 

Fanny was christened again at Clearwell 9 April 1873 (with this comment, said to be born Dec 10 1859)

Elizabeth COX, christened, 28 February 1859,  (1856 written in column) at St Briavels, parents: George % Matilda Ann, residence, The Lower Meene



etc etc