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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Tipperary => Topic started by: Kay01 on Tuesday 11 December 18 00:06 GMT (UK)
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My grandfather WILLIAM FRANCIS DORNEY was born 1st March 1884 in Tipperary and had a twin sister, Kitty or Kathleen. He married Annie Main WHITE in Cumberland in 1919. Their marriage certificate said his father THOMAS was a general contractor, deceased. That is all the information I have about him. If anyone can help with any information, I would be very happy!
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for reference
the births
321
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1884/02688/1989997.pdf
parents marriage 1871 Thomas son of David and Julia dtr of William Croke
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1871/11364/8172046.pdf
Anne 1875
415
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1875/03099/2136160.pdf
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This looks like the parents in 1901 but the twins aren't with them
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Ballingarry/Lismalin/1692320/
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Ballingarry/Lismalin/837888/
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possible for William 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Drangan/Ballynennan__Llyod_/1705000/
1911 with brothers Richard and William
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kilkenny/Callan_Urban/Green_Street/562389/
Parents 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Ballingarry/Lismalin/1692320/
1911 11 children born 8 still alive
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Ballingarry/Lismalin/837888/
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Thomas died 1917
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1917/05219/4444420.pdf
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possible death for grandfather David in 1883 widower age 60
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1883/06351/4821856.pdf
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Anne married Michael Bowe
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1905/10184/5705556.pdf
And was informant on her mother death 1937
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1937/04783/4284408.pdf
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Anne and Kate 1901 ?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kilkenny/Kilkenny_Rural/Seixeslough/1449378/
looks like they married brothers
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1908/10058/5658266.pdf
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kilkenny/Kilkenny_No__1_Urban/Gaol_Street__New_/527177/
Mary Josephine 1910 wrong name for mother
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1910/01569/1633121.pdf
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Catherine appears to have died 1964
484
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1964/04261/4094213.pdf
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Michael a brother of Thomas to Kate Prout 1889 with Thomas as witness
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1889/10728/5911369.pdf
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Ballingarry/Graguagh/1692314/
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Ballingarry/Gragaugh/837865/
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Wow, thankyou so much for all the replies, I honestly didnt expect it! You have given me so much to go on, thankyou ;D
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Brother Richard to Mary Falkiner 1872
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1872/11301/8146065.pdf
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Ardsallagh/Rathcool/1696436/
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Ardsallagh/Rathcool/841757/
sister Johanna to Thomas Goosebery 1876
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1876/11179/8096309.pdf
cant find any further details of this family
edited to add
David Gooldsberry 1878 son Thos and Johanna Durney
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1879/02927/2072684.pdf
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Kilvemnon/Ballydavid/1693028/
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Kilvemnon/Kilvemnon/838461/
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never married died 1940
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1940/04729/4264545.pdf
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Thankyou again. I'm going to follow up all these leads and hope I can find something that links the William Dorney in Tipperary with my grandad William getting married in Workington, Cumberland in 1919. I have tried looking at arrivals in ship records but so far no luck.
Thankyou again, I'm going to be having a very busy day!
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Johanna 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Ballingarry/Lismalin/1692338/
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Ballingarry/Lismalin/837894/
birth of Johanna jnr 1884
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1884/02666/1982600.pdf
1901 a few doors away from mother
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Ballingarry/Lismalin/1692331/
Thomas died 1894 after falling from a ladder
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1894/05955/4692591.pdf
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Andrew Goldsberry to Bridget Laherty 1898
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1898/10429/5797532.pdf
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Ballyphilip/Garrynoe/1692639/
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Ballyphilip/Garryroe/838060/
informant on his mother's death 1922
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1922/05067/4388978.pdf
just noticed that Thomas Goldsbery was the informant on David Dorney's death 1883
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1883/06351/4821856.pdf
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Thankyou again. I'm going to follow up all these leads and hope I can find something that links the William Dorney in Tipperary with my grandad William getting married in Workington, Cumberland in 1919. I have tried looking at arrivals in ship records but so far no luck.
Thankyou again, I'm going to be having a very busy day!
You won't getting shipping records between Ireland and England as they were both part of the UK
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Thankyou again. I'm going to follow up all these leads and hope I can find something that links the William Dorney in Tipperary with my grandad William getting married in Workington, Cumberland in 1919. I have tried looking at arrivals in ship records but so far no luck.
Thankyou again, I'm going to be having a very busy day!
He has a twin sister Catherine/Kathleen listed above him on the births, the date is correct and they have a father Thomas who calls himself a Contractor in the census and they come from Tipperary.
Don't think you can get much better unless a church record of his marriage gives his mother's name.
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Thanks to all the people who have responded, with so many useful links. I'm glad to announce that I received my Grandad's birth certificate in the post yesterday - and that is thanks to those who linked me to his birth registration. Details:
no. 321: March 1st 1884, Lismolin - William, Male - Father Thomas Durney, Lismolin, labourer; mother Julia Durney, formerly Croke, Lismolin.
I didn't order it, but immediately above William's birth registration is - Catherine Dorney, same date and place of birth. This is my grandad's twin sister, known to the family as Kitty.
The next job is tracing William's dad, Thomas, and mother Julia. I do have a marriage registration for them - Oct 3rd, 1871: Thomas Durney, Lismolin, labourer, married Julia Croke from Ballyvadlea. Thomas' father is David Durney, married, labourer. Julia's dad is William Croke, farmer. They were married in RC chapel of Drangan, and witnesses were Michael Dorney and Maria St John
Help very much appreciated, and thanks again for all the responses.
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I don't understand why you ordered the cert when dathai had posted a link to both in the first reply ???
for reference
the births
321
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1884/02688/1989997.pdf
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Hello Kay - I hope you don't mind me contacting you. I have just come across your thread re William Dorney. I am the grand-daughter of Kathleen Dorney, who was one of Williams daughters, sister to Sheila, Frances etc. We are trying to piece together the family history too, don't know much about the Irish side, nor the Mother Annie either. Kathleen moved down to Irton, Cumbria, and had 5 sons. I still live in Irton, and would love to know more about this side of the family. Thank you, Clare