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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: tascj on Tuesday 11 December 18 09:38 GMT (UK)
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My friend is desperate to locate any information on her father G J FALKINER born 1921-1927 Sudbury England. Parents listed as John Henry FALKINER deceased (Stockbroker) and Edith Catherine LONGDEN. After years of researching we are not so sure this was his real name. Western Australian Marriage Certificate 1957 (to Mabel May DHUE) lists birthplace Sudbury, England. Listed in 1958 WA Electoral Roll, and on children's birth certificates. Family moved to Melbourne in the late 1950s and he disappeared 1958. Any information appreciated.
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Welcome to Rootschat.
As he may still be living, information on him cannot be provided, as per Rootschat policy.
Jamjar
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Until we know for sure that he is still alive, I'm happy to see what can be found before the topic is removed.
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That’s odd, shouldn’t it be until he is confirmed deceased, we should avoid providing information? Given he left his family, he may not want to be found and his information provided on a very public forum.
Is he not entitled to his privacy?
Jamjar
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Here is the link to the Nominal Roll for WWII http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/ I mention this because on one of the several current threads there's information about him serving in the Australian Army.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=804959.0
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=804957.0
Here's the 'HOW TO' thread for the Australia Board.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=368728.0
part of reply #2 reads
Here on RootsChat we are very concerned that the privacy and security of the living is protected. For this reason we do not allow searches for living persons. Although we fully understand you would like recent information to add to your tree, or that you may wish to make contact with birth families, relatives you lost contact with when they immigrated to Australia, missing family or friends, we are afraid we are unable to assist you.
Electoral Rolls on the commercial websites end at 1980.
Some Western Australian newspapers deaths/funerals/ classified notices may be indexed at Ryerson https://www.ryersonindex.org/
W.A. BDM index online is : https://www.bdm.justice.wa.gov.au/_apps/pioneersindex/default.aspx
Vic BDM index online is : https://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/research-and-family-history/search-your-family-history
Resources Board: https://www.rootschat.com/forum/australia-resources-offers/
JM
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http://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=FC00057580
First Name: Mabel Mae FALKINER
Application Number: FC00057580
Fremantle Cremation
Also known as
First Name: MAVIS
Last Name FALKINER
Aged (Years): 78: Date of Death 15/01/2010
Suburb: MANDURAH
Ashes taken by Funeral Director at Fremantle Cemetery
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T & C
4. Specific Forum Rules
4.1 As a user you agree not to do any of the following:
17. Breach or request the breach of privacy of persons who are or may be living.
JM
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Perhaps our OP's friend should consider making direct contact with the Prinicipal Registrars of the various BDMs in each of the eight jurisdictions in Australia and ask what proof they need from her, to seek information about her father's possible death, as she can identify him from her own official birth certificate and her mother's marriage certificate. Sometimes they will undertake a search, and when that happens there is usually a fee.
http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/fact-sheets/fs89.aspx as noted at :
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/australia-resources-offers/ - stickied thread :
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=574209.0
ADD ... They would usually want a valid reason for searching for such a registration within the restricted access periods, and saying that you want to make contact or advise of someone's death or similar is not usually an adequate reason. If you were to make such a request because you needed a medical history, that would usually be a valid reason.
JM
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There are many topics on Rootschat started by people looking for information who have no idea whether someone is alive or dead.
The skill of Rootschatters here is that they will use their personal knowledge of websites to provide information which will help either solve the mystery or provide clues as to where to look next.
To simply close down a topic within 20 minutes of posting could prevent closure for people who are not as knowledgeable of how or where to look.
As it stands, there have already been some useful links provided.
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Our OP has been a member since 2013. :) Perhaps he/she could list where they have already looked, so that we are not duplicating.
On the Resources Board link I listed earlier, there's the National Archives of Australia ... there's digitised passenger lists covering 1898 - 1972 ... search by surname :)
I am fairly confident that none of the links posted in this thread are new links, I am confident they will be listed in the Resources Board and/or its child boards.
JM
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There are many topics on Rootschat started by people looking for information who have no idea whether someone is alive or dead.
The skill of Rootschatters here is that they will use their personal knowledge of websites to provide information which will help either solve the mystery or provide clues as to where to look next.
To simply close down a topic within 20 minutes of posting could prevent closure for people who are not as knowledgeable of how or where to look.
As it stands, there have already been some useful links provided.
What I said was: As he may still be living, information on him cannot be provided.
I did not say that suggestions could not be be given as to how the OP can go about searching for him.
There is a big difference between the two.
They may try the Salvation Army, who I believe assist in these matters.
Jamjar
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Thank you for your replies to date. I have been researching FH for twenty years and I have come to Rootschat just to see if anyone has any bright ideas. I feel I have tried everywhere possible but we have been hitting brick walls everywhere we turn. I am extremely grateful for everyone's contribution. My friend has lost her mother, her sister and her brother and is starting to lose hope that she may never know the truth. So please keep the post going just to open up any avenues that I may not have thought of.
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Thank you for your replies to date. I have been researching FH for twenty years and I have come to Rootschat just to see if anyone has any bright ideas. I feel I have tried everywhere possible but we have been hitting brick walls everywhere we turn. I am extremely grateful for everyone's contribution. My friend has lost her mother, her sister and her brother and is starting to lose hope that she may never know the truth. So please keep the post going just to open up any avenues that I may not have thought of.
Here's the full post at #2 from our stickied HOW TO thread on this Australia Board. It has reliable suggestions to help your friend advance their quest. I assure you that I have not found anything to support the notion that he is no longer living, and so I am concerned that if he is living in Australia that he is at a vulnerable age and his personal privacy ought to be respected. In Australia, a person's names are part of the consideration for respect of personal privacy. ... Here is the full reply from that reply #2 of the HOW TO thread.
RootsChat - Our Policy on Living Persons.
Here on RootsChat we are very concerned that the privacy and security of the living is protected. For this reason we do not allow searches for living persons. Although we fully understand you would like recent information to add to your tree, or that you may wish to make contact with birth families, relatives you lost contact with when they immigrated to Australia, missing family or friends, we are afraid we are unable to assist you.
We are very sorry for the inconvenience this causes you but we are sure you will appreciate the reasons for this.
Please See:- http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,142443.0.html
We do have a few suggestions which may help:-
Telephone Directory. We would suggest when looking for Living Persons be sure to try the Telephone Book
http://www.whitepages.com.au/wp/initResSearch.do
Recent Electoral Rolls. These can be a very good source: They are available to view at Australian Electoral Commission Offices and in major libraries.
BMD Cut Off Points. In Australia Each State has different cut off dates for access to BMD index information and requirements for the purchase of certificates: some of these birth dates are too late for us to publish on a public forum.
http://www.jaunay.com/bdm.html
Passenger Lists. Among other things, if your family immigrated after 1921, you may just find it listed on the National Archives Site. Dates of birth are often included. Be sure to check.
http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/recordsearch/index.aspx
Information on WW2 Veterans - A lot of these men were born in the 1920’s – Some of them now in their 80’s use the internet, or a loved one finds something and shows them. They can become most distressed to see that someone has published personal information about them on a public forum. Remember these Government Sites are not accessible to search engines – we are!
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/
If you are looking for living descendants, that is fine provided you do not provide details of these living persons. If you are providing details of someone we are likely to suspect may still be living, but you know is deceased, please state this.
Although we are keen to help you make connections, there are times, however, when other community networks will be able to do more and this is especially so in the case of people searching for their birth parents/missing people. We suggest using Google Search will lead such searchers in the right direction.
We are sorry we are unable to help you with any searches for the living but may we wish you every success in your hunt ;D
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Hi,
Something is simply not making good sense.
Marriage in 1957 in W.A., Disappearance in 1958... but 3 children of the marriage ...
Has your friend sought access to the official birth certificates for each of those two deceased siblings ... and considered if the informant/s on each one has provided any variation in the details about each of their parents ... and followed up on those variations, particularly where they vary from their own official birth certificate ... father's occupation, usual address, mother's former names, who was the informant, did they confirm date/place of marriage, etc... matching up signatures to the official marriage registration etc...
JM
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Yes, we have all the certificates of the children and the parents marriage. The dates of marriage on each birth certificate we know to be false.
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Have you checked who was the informant each time ... ie if GJF was the informant on any cert, that places him at that location at that point in time.. These are all significant issues that professional counsellors would consider when striving to help your friend. Please consider that RChatters are not trained professional counsellors.
JM
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Of course I understand and respect that. My intention is to see if any other avenues exist which I haven't thought of.
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Of course I understand and respect that. My intention is to see if any other avenues exist which I haven't thought of.
Yes, but in seeking any other avenues, you did not need to put the identifying information about GJF in any post, as RChat threads are easily found without needing to log in. Your question could have been posed and helpers respond without needing to know his name or his parents names. I am sure you would have been inundated with many more suggestions if your threads did not include identifying details.
JM
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Yes, we have all the certificates of the children and the parents marriage. The dates of marriage on each birth certificate we know to be false.
http://www.wamarriage.info/default.aspx
FALKINER Geoffrey John
DHUE Mabel May
District Perth 1957 Reg#569
Why would the dates of marriage on each birth certificate be false? Was this to cover up births prior to marriage in 1957.
Cando
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:)
Perhaps Mabel's birth registration is indexed and available online and showing birth registered WA Northam and perhaps she has living siblings whose births are indexed there too. (WA goes to 1932 at present).
Has contact been made with Mabel's siblings or their descendants seeking any family knowledge or thoughts about her marriage?
JM
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Possible clue
Wanted to buy - male puppy for small child. Replies to Geoff Falkiner PO Box 339 Geraldton
1954 'Advertising', Geraldton Guardian (WA : 1951 - 1954), 10 July, p. 5. , viewed 12 Dec 2018, http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article250893331
M
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Passenger Lists. Among other things, if your family immigrated after 1921, you may just find it listed on the National Archives Site. Dates of birth are often included. Be sure to check.
http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/recordsearch/index.aspx
http://soda.naa.gov.au/record/9766121/1
2000 plus pages ... arrivals 1954, perhaps you may find the one in his name.
JM
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Thank you to JM for the hint and a private message received through this chat, and the generosity of all who have taken the time to respond, I have just been emailed the 1954 Immigration record of GJF. What a day!
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Yes, my elderly rellie (retired NAA Archivist) has just found the IMMI card too. I was about to send you a PM.
Please do remember that the information in that card may well be information about a living Australian, and as it clearly identifies that person, it is sensitive information, and ought not be re-published.
ADD, I am not the person who has sent you a PM, nor do I have your email address and I have not sent you an image of the IMMI card.
JM
Thank you to JM for the hint and a private message received through this chat, and the generosity of all who have taken the time to respond, I have just been emailed the 1954 Immigration record of GJF. What a day!
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Yes, we have all the certificates of the children and the parents marriage. The dates of marriage on each birth certificate we know to be false.
http://www.wamarriage.info/default.aspx
FALKINER Geoffrey John
DHUE Mabel May
District Perth 1957 Reg#569
Why would the dates of marriage on each birth certificate be false? Was this to cover up births prior to marriage in 1957.
Cando
Status married in 1954 on arrival in Australia.
Cando
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According to Electoral Roll-
In 1958 a chap named Thomas Charles DHUE, a farm labourer lived at the address given on the immigration card.
There are hints in newspapers that he was there earlier, around 1953/4.
He was born in 1922 and died in 1984, interred Karrakatta.
I have not confirmed his relationship to the 1957 bride, but I suppose possibly her brother.
He married in 1944 and there was a divorce about 4 years later.
Details not really relevant.
Sue
ADDING,
Perhaps the two men were mates in the forces
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?ServiceId=R&VeteranId=927225
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Do you think it’s possible the marriage to Mavis/Mabel in 1957 was a legal thing perhaps to reinforce a marriage that had previously taken place in some form in Japan? What was her occupation?
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Do you think it’s possible the marriage to Mavis/Mabel in 1957 was a legal thing perhaps to reinforce a marriage that had previously taken place in some form in Japan? What was her occupation?
Or that it was an act of bigamy and a reason for disappearance.
J.
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Do you think it’s possible the marriage to Mavis/Mabel in 1957 was a legal thing perhaps to reinforce a marriage that had previously taken place in some form in Japan? What was her occupation?
It would be fair to suggest it would likely show as 'home duties' as most married women with children would be at home in the 1950s, raising the children while the husband was gainfully employed. I am old enough to have been a child of the 1950s, and I can assure you that I have examined the electoral roll covering my parents and their contemporaries from the 1950s and all the married women were recorded as 'home duties' even those who I know with 100% accuracy were school teachers in the NSW public school system, and those who were telephonistes with the PMG, and court stenographers, and etc ...
JM
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I have not yet found 'official' confirmation, but I understand (again only as antedotal from my older rellies) that the Admin section of the Department of the Army (DOA) involved in the logistics support for the British Commonwealth Forces involved in Korea was based in Japan, and of course had been in Japan as part of occupation forces earlier. So 1946 - 1954 ish, and that NAA has in the past declined to upload indexes that may give indication of names of those involved - privacy etc for those who are still living.
JM
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So, if he was with Australian Army, is there an earlier immigration to find?
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All those who were in the AIF or the RAN or the RAAF needed to be British Subjects. They did not have to be in Australia to enlist.
JM
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The British Commonwealth Forces Korea ... the lead force was the British Army. Personnel also drawn from Canada, New Zealand, India and Australia
:) :) I continue to encourage my elderly rellies to join RChat ... but they continue to decline.
ADD, I know that to be eligible to be on the electoral roll in the 1950s you needed to be aged 21 and over, residing at an address, and a British Subject, either born one or by naturalisation. :)
JM
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Australian Electoral Roll
WA Perth/Perth 1949
DHUE Mabel Mae 221 St Georges Terrace Waitress
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According to Electoral Roll-
In 1958 a chap named Thomas Charles DHUE, a farm labourer lived at the address given on the immigration card.
There are hints in newspapers that he was there earlier, around 1953/4.
He was born in 1922 and died in 1984, interred Karrakatta.
I have not confirmed his relationship to the 1957 bride, but I suppose possibly her brother.
He married in 1944 and there was a divorce about 4 years later.
Details not really relevant.
Sue
ADDING,
Perhaps the two men were mates in the forces
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?ServiceId=R&VeteranId=927225
Australian Electoral Roll
WA Perth/Perth 1949
DHUE Mabel Mae 221 St Georges Terrace Waitress
So not living with Thomas Charles.
221 St Georges Terrace Perth was accommodation for nurses and doctors rooms around that time. Forrest House. Perhaps she waited on tables at their meals
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/46253378
All indications are her birth date was 1931, so she was not eligible to vote being 18 years in 1949. :o
Sue
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:)
Perhaps Mabel's birth registration is indexed and available online and showing birth registered WA Northam and perhaps she has living siblings whose births are indexed there too. (WA goes to 1932 at present).
Has contact been made with Mabel's siblings or their descendants seeking any family knowledge or thoughts about her marriage?
JM
Has the OP obtained copy of this b.c. and contacted the family members including any first cousins to her friend ...
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Australian Electoral Roll
WA Perth/Perth 1949
DHUE Mabel Mae 221 St Georges Terrace Waitress
I learn new things every day .... I have NOT confirmed but I am reliably informed by my elderly archivist relly that ...... a married woman was eligible to enrol even if not yet 21. Apparently, by being a married woman, such status ...well it therefore showed she had reached her majority ...
JM .... I have no spare moments to spend following that notion to its conclusion .... BUT does the W.A
1957 m.c. give her status and her age and her parents details ...
JM
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Okay, info from my elderly rellies .... It is definitely possible that GJF is still alive and known by that name. He did not need to be an Australian Citizen to be enrolled to vote in the 1950s. And if he moved interstate in the 1950s he was still eligible to enrol if he had lived at the one address for six months ... BUT, in the 1950s and into the 1960s ... it was not compulsory for a British subject who was NOT an Australian citizen to enrol... (ADD ... and no one was 'policing' the compulsory aspect anyways even for Australian citizens... )
Some current info ... https://www.aec.gov.au/Enrolling_to_vote/British_subjects.htm
Including the following
Yes, it is compulsory for British subjects who were enrolled for a federal electoral division in Australia immediately before 26 January 1984, to enrol to vote, even if following 25 January 1984 they have let their enrolment lapse. British subjects not on the roll immediately before 26 January 1984 are not eligible to enrol even if they were resident in Australia at that time.
and
Determining your eligibility to enrol and vote as a British subject in Australia
Only British subjects who were enrolled for a federal electoral division in Australia immediately before 26 January 1984 are eligible to enrol and vote at federal elections and referendums.
:)
JM
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I found a photo of the house at the address recorded on the Immigration record. That was a great pickup that in 1958 it was occupied by Thomas Charles DHUE. That is GJF's brother-in-law!
I feel that GJF was in WA before he left for Japan. I am yet to find the original immigration however.
Child 1 born 1952 Informant Mother Father listed as GJF
Child 2 born 1955 Informant Mother Father listed as GJF
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I have just looked at the 1957 Marriage Certificate again and the witnesses were Thomas Charles and Greta DHUE. (Same signature as the Immigration record)
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Mabel M DHUE was in fact born May 1933. Also listed on the electoral rolls in 1949 as a waitress. That makes her 16.
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Mabel M DHUE was in fact born May 1933. Also listed on the electoral rolls in 1949 as a waitress. That makes her 16.
What is your source for this birth date?
It has been mentioned-
DHUE Mabel Female
At Northam 225
Year 1931
So,
We have a man who is not married to the mother of his WA children.
Arrives in WA for reasons of "army leave".
As a married person.
Destination- the home of the brother of the mother of the WA children, who
may, by that time, be sharing her brother's home, but had previously been a waitress in Perth. (Seemingly voting illegally, underage).
A marriage takes place in 1957.
Was he by then widowed?
Divorced?
Sue
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There are a lot of questions.... hence my arrival on Rootschat!
On their 1957 marriage certificate it lists GJF's parents. But no-one can find them in England or a birth for him England. Supposedly he was born in Sudbury, England. I do need to explore spelling variations however.
Sorry I have Mabel's WA Birth Certificate and yes born May 1931 (Family notes said 1933). Sure there is a chance that the first two children were fathered by another man, but why is his name recorded. It would make sense if the registration took place years later but they didn't.
Birth 1 Sep 1952 registered Oct 1952
Birth 2 Mar 1955 registered Apr 1955
Surely that would mean he was in WA.
There are other odd discrepancies.
Just to confuse matters on Birth 1 parents were listed as married London 9 Sep 1947.
Birth 2 parents were listed as married London 8 Sep 1949.
AND Mabel May listed herself as Mavis Delilah. She was know by both names.
My friend the 3rd child is confident her mother has never been to England.
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Sue,
I feel he has been in WA before he went to Japan.
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what is the actual date on the 1957 marriage cert?
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Marriage: First week of March 1957 - District Registrar's Office - Perth. Bride's older brother and his second wife were witnesses.
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Is there a Service record for this man, when and where did he sign up for the RAF?
Rhonda
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There is not a WW2 Australian service record for the man in the name.
There is one for Thomas Charles DHUE (as mentioned).
It is not digitised so, if there had been a WW2 association between the two men, we have no clues to help.
Sue
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I have sent a few emails off to Ministry of Defence UK and to Canberra. I would be interested to know if there is a Radio Archives.
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There is not a WW2 Australian service record for the man in the name.
There is one for Thomas Charles DHUE (as mentioned).
It is not digitised so, if there had been a WW2 association between the two men, we have no clues to help.
Sue
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?serviceId=R&veteranId=927225
Charles DHUE was with the 14th Squadron which was a Royal Australian Air Force maritime patrol squadron of World War II. It was formed in 1939 and was based in Western Australia throughout the war. While it conducted many patrols over the waters off Western Australia, it did not see combat. The squadron was disbanded in December 1945.
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So not a likely source of connection between the two men.
This group might be worth an inquiry,tascj.
http://www.radioheritage.net/Story57.asp
Sue
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Thanks Sue. I believe the radio announcer occupation is outside of the Army/Airforce but you never know. The relocation to Melbourne circa 1958 was supposedly to a new job in radio. I was wondering if there is an archives that would hold staff lists of Radio Stations in VIC and WA.
We have much information on the DHUE family in WA. I would really like to concentrate on and find a birth of GJ Falkiner and his parents marriage and location after 1958. All I have is from the 1957 Marriage Certificate. GJ Falkiner supposedly born Sudbury England circa 1923, parents listed as John Henry Falkiner (Stockbroker dec) and Edith Catherine Longden. I am normally confident in finding such records and locating folks in the 1939 census but no luck so far.
Friends of the family have confirmed an English accent. And another confirmed flying bombers in the Airforce. But I have not found Service records as yet. Iwakuni appears to have been set up as an airbase for the Korean War. There are some informative records available online about the base.
Thank you for everyone's input!
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Like yourself and I'm sure many others, I have had a good look for possible births and the existence of the people he names as parents. All without success.
There were 3 children of the union between Mabel and G.J.
Of course you will not name them here, but may I ask if the choice of names reflects others in the DHUE family? Were they DHUE family names?
Or is it possible they were names connected to G J's side?
It is really clutching at straws to use such clues in your research, but it may be worth consideration at this point.
Sue
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No obvious ties there. :(
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I have just checked for birth for Mabel M Dhue it is 1931 not 1933 Northam West Aust reg 225
this gives her age at marriage 26yrs and 21 at 1st birth 1952
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Looks like child born 1952 was a male and he passed away age 39 buried Karrakatta West Aust
can pm details if it fits.
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Yes the last comments are correct. We have all the WA information. Now trying to learn more about GJF. Family moved to VIC circa 1958. GJF left the family. Mother and three children moved back to WA. Thanks.
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Thanks Sue. I believe the radio announcer occupation is outside of the Army/Airforce but you never know. The relocation to Melbourne circa 1958 was supposedly to a new job in radio. I was wondering if there is an archives that would hold staff lists of Radio Stations in VIC and WA.
We have much information on the DHUE family in WA. I would really like to concentrate on and find a birth of GJ Falkiner and his parents marriage and location after 1958. All I have is from the 1957 Marriage Certificate. GJ Falkiner supposedly born Sudbury England circa 1923, parents listed as John Henry Falkiner (Stockbroker dec) and Edith Catherine Longden. I am normally confident in finding such records and locating folks in the 1939 census but no luck so far.
Friends of the family have confirmed an English accent. And another confirmed flying bombers in the Airforce. But I have not found Service records as yet. Iwakuni appears to have been set up as an airbase for the Korean War. There are some informative records available online about the base.
Thank you for everyone's input!
I think you should be considering that the IMMI card information is reliable in every detail. My first cousin (NSW born) served in Korea, and on the weekend just past there was a family reunion with many of us attending at Uralla NSW. I caught up with this cousin and his Dad and asked about Radio Announcers etc... Yes, there were radio stations with Military announcers from British forces, DOA. I checked, yes, DOA was British Department of Army. I mentioned there could be other meanings to that abbreviation, yes, but usually it was British Dept of Army.
So, I introduced the IMMI card and my Uncle notices (he a retired Academic)
a) Immigration Card, so the applicant was NOT an Australian Citizen, and we went through each piece of info in GJF's hand ...
b) Soldier, so NOT Navy, NOT Airforce, so ARMY. United Kingdom or Canada or New Zealand or India or USA ...
c) mentions re-posting, so staying permanently ... as in 12 months or more and waiting for any re-posting ... so he has served and is now back to RESERVES and thus able to work to earn living as though a Civilian - so check to see HOW LONG UK soldiers would have needed to serve before being eligible to be a RESERVE ...
d) married so a wife and possibly family somewhere -
I asked my cousin about the Radio Announcers for broadcasting to the Services ... Yes, both USA and Britain established their Radio Stations, sometimes mobile ones, specifically for keeping morale and local info to the personnel ... Australians were kept up to date via the British broadcasts, the announcers were definitely in Uniform, well spoken 'posh' English accents ...
Now I am back home, and I have googled. I think it is likely there are UK resources to help with the BCFK (British Commonwealth Forces Korea) It may have been known as BRITCOM Broadcasting Station or similar.
JM
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This likely to be him on the bus from Geraldton in June/July 1954?
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/250892913?
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/250893429?
Never said what GJF's occupation was on the certificates (presumably soldier or similar on Births 1 or 2 at least?)
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Thank you! The first two birth certificates list GJF Member of the Australian Military Forces. As per the previous message re the service at Iwakuni, he would be British Army.
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:) Good find jonw65
Re those first two birth certs, with informant their mum ... what was exact wording, each time for the occupation of their father, and look specifically for any minor differences including spelling, .. so far the date of the London marriage (9 Sept 1947 or 8 Sept 1949) seems to be the only difference...
Was Mabel or Mavis noted for each birth
Long time between marriage and first born
Do WA birth certs include details of any older siblings ...
JM
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Yes WA birth certificates do mention older siblings, only family would be able to obtain these certificates, very strict in WA!
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Thanks Suzyvan, same strictness in NSW, 100 year restrictions on births. :)
JM
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In reply #50 i posted a link to contact a group about services radio.
Here it is again
http://www.radioheritage.net/Story57.asp
I am certain his broadcasting wasa part of his artmy service.
He would need to be well educated and have a well-modulated speaking voice.
If his father was indeed a stockbroker, it is possible he was well educated.
He was "an interior decorator" on the Electoral Roll in WA.
Painter, plasterer, ?
What was the reason for the move to Melbourne, tascj?
Sue
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Why the move to Melbourne? (Uncle) "Had a job in radio he was going to"
"An interior Designer at Boans in Perth"
"He had been an Interior Designer" (1958 WA Electoral Roll confirms this)
"English accent"
"An insurance salesman" (Salesman listed on 3rd birth certificate)
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Google tells me that WA archives have files re Boans department store. Perhaps that includes employment records.
JM
ADD employment records often include dob. :P
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"An interior Designer at Boans in Perth"
"He had been an Interior Designer" (1958 WA Electoral Roll confirms this)
The word is Decorator.
Sue
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Yes ... Decorator is physically hands on working ... trades .... building the interior ... walls, kitchen, bathrooms etc while Designer is a planner ... drafter ... clean hands ... planning where the walls, doors, windows go... so at a department store perhaps the decorator reports to the designer ... so GJF as interior decorator in 1958, previously a salesman, previously a soldier perhaps/likely a former Sergeant ... in 1954.
JM
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There is an excellent armed forces board here at RChat. Perhaps they may have some advice on how to approach the UK Ministry Of Defence for records for BCFK, particularly when the person of interest may well be still living. If you start a thread on that board, please remember to give a link to this thread, to save duplicating information.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/armed-forces/
JM
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:)
5 April 1921
There is an Edith FALKINER, listed as the Occupier, at 62 Winter Road, Portsea Island, Portsea, Hampshire. The property’s owner is listed as H GODDARD.
Reference info: DT/R/3/79 Portsmouth History Centre, Folio 29, Rate Books …
JM
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That sounds promising. Thank you.
I am tonight writing to the Radio Archives. They are located in Wellington, NZ. Cross your fingers they are able to provide us with some more details.
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Hi tascj,
I do think that it most likely he used the name FALKINER during his radio days before coming to Australia.
To get a job in radio in Melbourne he must have needed references to describe his experience and these would obviously have to correspond to the name under which he applied for the Melbourne position.
Therefore, somewhere there has to be a record of this man of some kind ::)
My other thought is the possible reason the word "married" is on the immigration card.
The children had been registered under false information i.e.that the parents had married in 1947.
Like you, I think he probably was their father and, in order to maintain the lie on his entry to Aust in EDIT 1954 7, he stated married (meaning to Mabel).
Sue
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I believe the date of the Marriage as stated on each birth certificate is the day or day before GJF's birthday. An easy date to remember perhaps.
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Hi ;)
Is there any actual reason or family oral history or just your own speculation.... dob is often part of Military attesting paperwork ...
In your opening post you gave a wide range of years ... now it seems we may have day and month ... please examine the birth certs and look for each minor fact that was provided by the informant about : herself, and GJF ... address, occupation, age, spelling of each given and family name, localities ... eg does it say married London, England ... or just London ...
And then use your 20 years of genie skills to seek to quietly validate each fact that Mavis provided ... aiming to find what she knew at each point in time ... as that would likely be what she would later tell her three children .. rather than the info GJF provided in 1957 at marriage ....
I understand WA Birth certs can be quite detailed in the 1950s and I stress I AM NOT expecting you to share the details online , but I am simply suggesting how to proceed while you wait for replies from NZ and from MOD in the UK.
JM
Sorry for my two finger e reader typos 8)
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I am sending a PM to our OP with a GRO ref for a POSSIBLE birth.
JM
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I am sending a PM to our OP with a GRO ref for a POSSIBLE birth.
JM
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I see you have modified your topic heading. I will alert our Global Moderator to your request.
JM
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I lived with Geoff and May Falkiner in Belmont (perth) and Lesmurdie(Perth) October1958 to October 1960.Geoffrey some Japanese. They had three children.Smallest was just a baby.Geoff was a friend of my father.
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I think you should be here: I'll ask for it to be moved.
topics now merged
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I would like to be in touch with lesmurdie (who posted today) please!.. Thank you for posting. Please message me. GJ Falkiner was an alias and he passed away in 1977.
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Hi all, I never gave up in my research and after three years of non stop investigating finally cracked it just a day before Father's Day last year. GJF was an alias, but reviews of Army records and a comparison of photos found on Ancestry led me to the truth. I hope I can be in touch with today's post(er).
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Lesmurdie, you will need to post twice more to be able to use the Private Messaging service.
Just a smiley will do.
OP, I hope you can give a run down of how you cracked it sometime.