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Title: James Harrison
Post by: kassejayne on Tuesday 11 December 18 14:45 GMT (UK)
In june 1890 my great great aunt Mary Ellen Wilson married a James Harrison at St Aidens in Billinge lancashire. It seems that he had already married in 1884. However the first mrs Harrison was neither deceased or divorced at the time of his second marriage. We think his first wife was also called Mary. Is there any way of finding out any information on his first family  eg who she was ..if they had any children and what became of them after he left
Karen
Title: Re: James Harrison
Post by: KitCarson on Tuesday 11 December 18 15:14 GMT (UK)
From Lancs OPC.  Is this the marriage?

Marriage: 19 Jun 1890 St Aidan, Billinge, Lancashire, England
 James Harrison - 38, Painter, Bachelor, Billinge
 Mary Ellen Wilson - 29, Spinster, Billinge
     Groom's Father: James Harrison, Deceased
     Bride's Father: John Wilson, Deceased

In 1884 there is a marriage in Haydock for a James Harrison with father James and he is a House Painter.  Edit: Collier aged 22

Marriage: 12 Sep 1884 St James, Haydock, Lancashire, England
 James Harrison - (X), 22, Collier, Bachelor, Stone Row, Haydock
 Mary Ellen Hughes - 18, Spinster, Lime Kiln Row, Haydock
     Groom's Father: James Harrison, (deceased), Collier
     Witness: Joshua Swift; Ellen Gleave

What information do you have that James was previously married?

Lots of folk happy to help.

Kit
Title: Re: James Harrison
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 11 December 18 15:54 GMT (UK)
LancsOPC has baptisms for children of James & Mary Ellen (nee Hughes) at Haydock

Elizabeth 23 Apr 1885 - GRO birth reg has mmn Hughes

Alice 9 Sep 1886 - GRO has mmn Hughes

Annie 13 Jan 1889 - GRO has mmn Hughes

Lillie 1 Oct 1891 - GRO has mmn Hughes

James 14 Dec 1893 - GRO has mmn Hughes
Title: Re: James Harrison
Post by: CaroleW on Tuesday 11 December 18 15:59 GMT (UK)
1891 for Haydock - all born there except James
    
James Harrison    29 coal miner b Ashton in Makerfield
Mary Ellen  25
Elizabeth  6
Alice  4
Annie  2
RG12 Piece 3071 Folio 17 Page 28
Title: Re: James Harrison
Post by: kassejayne on Tuesday 11 December 18 16:31 GMT (UK)
 I thank you all  for taking the time to look for me. I have tried to post the paragraph about james harrison bigamy but it wouldnt let me so have just posted the link instead if it will let me.
      https://www.suttonbeauty.org.uk/suttonhistory/crime3/
Title: Re: James Harrison
Post by: kassejayne on Tuesday 11 December 18 16:49 GMT (UK)
Kit the wedding for james and mary ellen wilson is correct. Her dad was john wilson and was deceased at the time of her marriage. The mary ellen hughes 1884 marriage does fit in with date mentioned on st helens beauty site ......I was searching last night and came across a james harrison and mary ellen hughes but on this link his father name was different and he died later so that threw me and wondered if I was barking up the wrong tree
Title: Re: James Harrison
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 11 December 18 17:12 GMT (UK)
Where were your James & Mary living in 1891
Title: Re: James Harrison
Post by: kassejayne on Tuesday 11 December 18 18:29 GMT (UK)
I know they lived at peasley cross lane..but not sure if that was in 1901 ...James is missing off that census ...her step father Edward and step brother Alfred are listed along with her children but not sure if it is hers or her stepfathers house they are living in
Title: Re: James Harrison
Post by: kassejayne on Tuesday 11 December 18 18:33 GMT (UK)
Sorry Rosie just noticed you said 1891.... I haven't got a census record for that year so not sure where they were at that time 
Title: Re: James Harrison
Post by: Maiden Stone on Tuesday 11 December 18 19:13 GMT (UK)
From Lancs OPC.  Is this the marriage?

Marriage: 19 Jun 1890 St Aidan, Billinge, Lancashire, England
 James Harrison - 38, Painter, Bachelor, Billinge
 Mary Ellen Wilson - 29, Spinster, Billinge
     Groom's Father: James Harrison, Deceased
     Bride's Father: John Wilson, Deceased

In 1884 there is a marriage in Haydock for a James Harrison with father James and he is a House Painter.  He is listed as being 21years. Edit: aged 22

Marriage: 12 Sep 1884 St James, Haydock, Lancashire, England
 James Harrison - (X), 22, Collier, Bachelor, Stone Row, Haydock
 Mary Ellen Hughes - 18, Spinster, Lime Kiln Row, Haydock
     Groom's Father: James Harrison, (deceased), Collier
     Witness: Joshua Swift; Ellen Gleave

What information do you have that James was previously married?

Lots of folk happy to help.

Kit

Ages of James at the 2 marriages don't correspond.

James and his father were colliers at 1884 wedding not painters.
There was a marriage of a James who was a painter and a Mary in 1887 but it was in Milnrow.
Title: Re: James Harrison
Post by: kassejayne on Tuesday 11 December 18 20:12 GMT (UK)
James died in 1898 age 46 so his age on his marriage to mary ellen wilson is right...if it is him that married mary ellen hughes then I wonder if it should have read 32 not 22... if not then its the wrong couple but I cant find another couple with those names who married in 1884
Title: Re: James Harrison
Post by: Maiden Stone on Tuesday 11 December 18 20:25 GMT (UK)
I was also querying that James who married 1890 was a painter whereas the one who married 1884 was a collier, son of a collier.

James Haydock was still a coal miner in Haydock on 1891 census - found by Carole.

 
Title: Re: James Harrison
Post by: Maiden Stone on Tuesday 11 December 18 20:29 GMT (UK)
In june 1890 my great great aunt Mary Ellen Wilson married a James Harrison at St Aidens in Billinge lancashire. It seems that he had already married in 1884. However the first mrs Harrison was neither deceased or divorced at the time of his second marriage.

Where did you get the information that your James Harrison married in 1884?


Title: Re: James Harrison
Post by: Maiden Stone on Tuesday 11 December 18 20:46 GMT (UK)
James died in 1898 age 46 so his age on his marriage to mary ellen wilson is right...if it is him that married mary ellen hughes then I wonder if it should have read 32 not 22... if not then its the wrong couple but I cant find another couple with those names who married in 1884

James Harrison, the collier was 29 on 1891 census. That fits with him being 22 at his wedding in 1884.
Title: Re: James Harrison
Post by: kassejayne on Tuesday 11 December 18 21:00 GMT (UK)
We know he was jailed twice..on the sutton beauty site it  names his legal wife as mary and the year of the marriage https://www.suttonbeauty.org.uk/suttonhistory/crime3/
Title: Re: James Harrison
Post by: KitCarson on Tuesday 11 December 18 22:59 GMT (UK)
From Lancs OPC.  Is this the marriage?

Marriage: 19 Jun 1890 St Aidan, Billinge, Lancashire, England
 James Harrison - 38, Painter, Bachelor, Billinge
 Mary Ellen Wilson - 29, Spinster, Billinge
     Groom's Father: James Harrison, Deceased
     Bride's Father: John Wilson, Deceased

In 1884 there is a marriage in Haydock for a James Harrison with father James and he is a House Painter.  He is listed as being 21years. Edit: aged 22

Marriage: 12 Sep 1884 St James, Haydock, Lancashire, England
 James Harrison - (X), 22, Collier, Bachelor, Stone Row, Haydock
 Mary Ellen Hughes - 18, Spinster, Lime Kiln Row, Haydock
     Groom's Father: James Harrison, (deceased), Collier
     Witness: Joshua Swift; Ellen Gleave

What information do you have that James was previously married?

Lots of folk happy to help.

Kit

Ages of James at the 2 marriages don't correspond.

James and his father were colliers at 1884 wedding not painters.
There was a marriage of a James who was a painter and a Mary in 1887 but it was in Milnrow.

Thanks Maiden Stone, I should have said Collier not painter.  I've added an edit to my original to show this
Title: Re: James Harrison
Post by: lancsann on Wednesday 12 December 18 22:09 GMT (UK)
I thank you all  for taking the time to look for me. I have tried to post the paragraph about james harrison bigamy but it wouldnt let me so have just posted the link instead if it will let me.
      https://www.suttonbeauty.org.uk/suttonhistory/crime3/

The Liverpool Mercury has a little more details about the James Harrison bigamist. It names his wife Mary ELIZABETH Harrison
Title: Re: James Harrison
Post by: rosie99 on Thursday 13 December 18 08:29 GMT (UK)
Maybe this one  :-\  Lancs BMD has it as St Helens
Marriage Dec qtr 1885   
Harrison    James       
Webster    Mary Elizabeth       
Prescot    8b   914
Title: Re: James Harrison
Post by: KitCarson on Thursday 13 December 18 12:33 GMT (UK)
Hi,

14 12 1885
St Helens Parish Church   
Mary E WEBSTER   
James HARRISON

Kit

Title: Re: James Harrison
Post by: rosie99 on Thursday 13 December 18 13:13 GMT (UK)
Maybe this one  :-\  Lancs BMD has it as St Helens
Marriage Dec qtr 1885   
Harrison    James       
Webster    Mary Elizabeth       
Prescot    8b   914

14 Dec 1885 -St Helens
James Harrison age 26 - Bachelor-occ Miner-Abode St Helens-Father James Harrison occ Miner
Mary Elizabeth Webster - father Joseph Webster occ Miner
Title: Re: James Harrison
Post by: kassejayne on Tuesday 18 December 18 21:21 GMT (UK)
Thank you al so much for taking the time to look for information for me. It looks like his first marriage was in 1885 and not 1884 that is quoted in the article. apart from mary hughes marriage which doesn't fit with his age  there doesn't appear to be any more that fit for that year.  Thank you  karen