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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Gemini37 on Wednesday 12 December 18 22:54 GMT (UK)
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G'day Members,
I have just returned to Rootschat after about eight years absence and have found quite a change in the system.
Could someone please assist me.
I am seeking the arrival of a John AUSTIN/AUSTEN and his family aboard the vessel HONDURAS in 1839.
Many thanks from this old timer in avance
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Arrival Sydney from London June 20 1839 Honduras
'...J. Austin wife and 8 children...'
1839 'SHIPPING.', The Sydney Standard and Colonial Advocate (NSW : 1839), 24 June, p. 2. , viewed 13 Dec 2018, http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article251535981
M
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Thank you M for your promptness.
Now to track down the wife and children.
Regards Gemini37
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Do you know his folk’s names or names of wife and children?
When was he born?
Jamjar
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Thank you Jamjar,
All we know at the moment is that his father was Edward and that he came to Australia from Kent in 1839 aboard the vessel "Honduras" with his wife and 8 children.
Gemini37
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Possible death:
3408/1869 AUSTIN JOHN parents EDWARD mother UNKNOWN CARCOAR
Jamjar
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That's the one Jamjar.
Wal
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That's the one Jamjar.
Wal
Then I think the death cert should have name of wife and children on it.
Jamjar
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The Australian Cemetery Index shows 3 Austin burials at Carcoar.
John AUSTIN, d 19.6.1869, aged 80 (thus b abt 1789)
[Son of Edward AUSTIN and ??, M, (Wife unknown, married in England)
Died Mandurama Creek, Carcoar
Bur C of E, Carcoar]
John AUSTIN, d 8.8.1906, aged 83 years (thus b abt 1823)
[Son of John AUSTIN and Ann DEEN, M Margaret Winterbottom
Carcoar, Died Carcoar
Bur C of E Carcoar]
Margaret AUSTIN, d 15.6.1898, aged 66 years (thus b abt 1835)
[Dau of John WINTERBOTTOM and Rosanna SPENCER, M John AUSTIN
Carcoar, Died Carcoar
Bur C of E Carcoar]
The younger John Austin is of an age to be the son of "your" John AUSTIN. TROVE has a short mention of the younger John,stating that he was one of the pioneer residents of Carcoar.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/71539988
Judith
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This may be a long shot, but a John AUSTIN married Catherine DEAN in Appledore, Kent 9 Sept 1822. There is a John AUSTIN baptised to parents John and Catherine 29 June 1823 at Burmarsh, Kent, and 6 subsequent children all with parents John and Catherine (Edward has mother as "Catherine Dean [or Dane?] AUSTIN"):
1823 John
1824 Elizabeth
1826 Edward
1827 William
1830 Catherine
1832 Julia
1833 Sophia
I can't see this family in any of the English censuses, so presumably immigrated.
Modified to add Catherine's alternative spelling of her middle name
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Marriage: 2176/1861 BREMNER John AUSTIN Sophia at MAITLAND
Death: 8090/1911 BREMNER Sophia father JOHN at WAVERLEY
1st marriage to Thomas Rouse, 1850 Wollemi. 2nd marriage:
733/1852 V1852733 38C CHARLTON WILLIAM ROUSE JULIA at MR
Death: 8319/1912 CHARLTON Julia father JOHN at WAVERLEY
John Jnr marriage: 390/1847 V1847390 32C AUSTIN John WINTERBOTTOM Margaret NR (NR is code for Carcoar)
Death: 8274/1906 AUSTIN JOHN parents JOHN and ANN CARCOAR
Jamjar
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Article here mentions Sophia BREMNER, wife of John BREMNER as sister in law of "Julia CHARLTON late ROUSE" in 1867 at Maitland
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article18716435
Modified to add:
The William GIBB mentioned in the above article could be William GIBB who married Catherine AUSTEN in 1847, (324/1847 V1847324 78) the "PC" code on the index refers to Presbyterian in the Maitland area.
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Article here mentions Sophia BREMNER, wife of John BREMNER as sister in law of "Julia CHARLTON late ROUSE" in 1867 at Maitland
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article18716435
Modified to add:
The William GIBB mentioned in the above article could be William GIBB who married Catherine AUSTEN in 1847, (324/1847 V1847324 78) the "PC" code on the index refers to Presbyterian in the Maitland area.
I think she is the sister-in-law of William Charlton and William Gibb, the complainant and the defendant.
Jamjar
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Oh yes, that's what I was thinking, but my fingers typed something different. :-[
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If this is your John AUSTIN, then there is this possibility for his baptism:
25 Nov 1781 at All Saints Burmarsh, parents Edward and Eizabeth.
Possible for Catherine:
1 Nov 1796 at St Peter and Paul Appledore, parents James and Sarah.
All on FreeReg (as is their marriage and the baptism of their children)
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A public tree has this marriage as your man and his wife died in 1838 prior to his and the children's departure for Australia.
AUSTEN John
DAVIS Elizabeth
24 Mar 1811 Cranbrook, Kent, England
FHL Film Number: 2228372
Cando
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G'day Everyone,
Boy what a response from you people.
Thank you so much.
And yes it certainly looks like the family we are looking for.
At my age I now need time to study the replies that I have received.
Again thank you so much for all this information.
Regards Wal :)
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Have you actually seen the Honduras passenger list? Does it say JOHN, as the newspaper only has J.
What documention do you have that your John is from KENT and where did you find his father’s name as Edward?
If you are considering he is the one who died in Carcoar you may want to investigate this lady:
9065/1898 AUSTIN MARGARET father JOHN mother UNKNOWN CARCOAR
How have you connected him to NSW?
Jamjar
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Jamjar, in Reply #8 I transcribed some information from the Carcoar cemetery record on the Australian Cemetery Index which gives information about Margaret AUSTIN, who may be the daughter-in-law of the older John Austin.
Information on the Australian Cemetery Index is often compiled by local historians who have knowledge of the families. Obviously it needs to be reconciled with certificates to be absolutely sure.
Margaret AUSTIN, d 15.6.1898, aged 66 years (thus b abt 1835)
[Dau of John WINTERBOTTOM and Rosanna SPENCER, M John AUSTIN
Carcoar, Died Carcoar
Bur C of E Carcoar]
A small obit from the National Advocate (Bathurst) shows that AUSTIN was this lady's married name.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/156740432
Edit to add - the passenger list for the Honduras, arr June 1839 (New South Wales, Australia, Unassisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1826-1922) definitely shows John AUSTIN, wife and 8 children (no names for wife and children) on the list
Judith
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Sorry, Judith, yes you did.
Thanks for the Honduras confirmation.
Jamjar
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In relation to the John Austin, Jamjar, he is the gg grandfather of the person I am chasing information for.
Someonelse mentioned about a Public Family Tree for the Austins which I have located but unfortunately appears to have a few errors but then that can be family research for you.
Wal
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...he is the gg grandfather...
That information would have been good to know earlier.
So, John is the GGgrandfather, which of his children is the Ggrandfather/Ggrandmother of the said person?
Do they have certificates to prove the connection?
Jamjar
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Sorry Jamjar but I will have to wait until he returns from NZ to get answers for your questions.
Wal
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Speculation again, but there is a death for a 40 year old Catherine AUSTEN in Sept qtr 1837 registered at Romney Marsh, which includes Burmarsh.
There are then around 20 marriages for a John AUSTI/EN between Sept 1837 and Jun 1839. If you could identify any later children born in England (the passenger list says 8 children), you should be able to find out the mother's maiden name on the GRO birth index.
Modified to add: On familysearch there is a burial for Catherine AUSTEN 8 Aug 1837, aged 41 at Burmarsh.
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Link to KENT thread: https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=805088.0
Jamjar
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Thanks Jamjar, always good to provide links to related threads so that research isn't duplicated. :)
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Finally made contact with the people who wanted me to gather information on this family.
Hence the reason that I have not responded to your research work for me.
Unfortunately they have said that they were not interested in any further research.
My apologies for this.
Many thanks to all who have provided information on this family.
Please treat this as a completed session.
Thanks everyone.
Regards Wal Towells
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John Austin was my GG Grandfather. He shepherded a mob of sheep on the Honduras in 1839 for the Australian Agricultural Company. On arrival in Sydney the family went to Maitland. Then the boys went west while the girls stayed in Maitland. The youngest son was my G Grandfather and he is resting in Wellington Cemetery with his wife Jean Ferguson. email debbieandmartin@optusnet.com.au if you would like his death certificate (No mention of wifes name) and passenger list. I am stuck working out if he was married once or three times but I do know that Catherine died in 1838 Would love to know who the "wife" was he came out with.
Regards
Martin Austin
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https://austen.one-name.net/members_data/0106ab/histories/Austin%20story%20Aug%2020181.pdf